Why "Pre-existing conditions" is a phony, blown out of proportion issue.

[g5000]

And then accordingly, those who want it, have to pay the cost, full freight. Notto mention, what you are advocating, is not insurance.

So severely sick people should lose everything for being ill

HOW many severely sick people LOSE everything? Where are your facts? AGAIN sounds so caring, so thoughtful but yet you haven't any proof!
FACTS are if you read the below ... NONE would have to if YOU read the facts!
View attachment 221902

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/643000-bankruptcies-in-the-u-s-every-year-due-to-medical-bills/

First of all SNOPES statement was a mixture of truth and falsehood!

The reason:. However, in that analysis NerdWallet repeatedly stated that their findings were “estimates” or “extrapolations,” and some of their data were quite old even back in 2013.


The best way to avoid medical bankruptcy is to prevent medical bills.
To do that, you must prevent or manage chronic diseases.
The most expensive are diabetes, at $26,971 per family, and neurological disorders like multiple sclerosis, which cost $34,167 on average.
The biggest expense is hospitalization, which caused half of the bankruptcies.

High medical bills from accidents can't be avoided. For those situations, a financial cushion is a must. Sock away three to six months of expenses in a savings or money market account. Only a third of Americans have more than $1,000 in savings.

As the research shows, health insurance won't completely protect you. Many people were bankrupted by high deductibles and other out-of-pocket expenses.
You should have at least the amount of your deductible in savings
Do Medical Bills Really Bankrupt America's Families?

But why don't you attack lawyers because of what they do to encourage this waste? Why do you love lawyers that you won't even mention this? Are you afraid?

View attachment 221908

Fact is lots of people go bankrupt.

And thanks to Trump, medical costs are at the highest they have ever been in the history of the Universe.

This Is the No. 1 Reason Americans File for Bankruptcy

According to the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF), more than a quarter of U.S. adults struggle to pay their medical bills. This includes folks who have insurance, whether independently or through an employer. In fact, medical debt is the No. 1 source of personal bankruptcy filings in the U.S., and in 2014, an estimated 40% of Americans racked up debt resulting from a medical issue.

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

 

[g5000]

Sooooo...we've been waiting for 8 and a half years now for that Obamacare replacement the Republicans said they had. We've been waiting for nearly two years for that TrumpCare plan which was going to lower costs to a "tiny fraction".

Could it be...could it be...

No...say it ain't so!

Could it have all been a giant...HOAX?!!?


You have to wonder why the brainwashed, brain dead, idiot suckers aren't even a little bit pissed they have been made utter fools of.

 

[bendog]

Sooooo...we've been waiting for 8 and a half years now for that Obamacare replacement the Republicans said they had. We've been waiting for nearly two years for that TrumpCare plan which was going to lower costs to a "tiny fraction".

Could it be...could it be...

No...say it ain't so!

Could it have all been a giant...HOAX?!!?


You have to wonder why the brainwashed, brain dead, idiot suckers aren't even a little bit pissed they have been made utter fools of.

Well I think we see the gop alternative. Cut all taxes that paid for the program. Remove all mandates. Keep Medicaid expansion despite cost. Keep popular pre-existing conditions coverage and letting kids stay on in adulthood, all of which increase costs for private plans.

 

[g5000]

I have asked the tards pseudocons countless times what the Republican replacement plan was. This question always pissed them off. Because there isn't one. There never has been.

They can't admit they look like fucking fools for falling for this "repeal and replace" hoax for over eight and a half years now.

From the time I came to this forum, I've been asking them. And they STILL haven't caught on they have been HOAXED.

A small sampling, in chronological order:

Do you think the Right is incapable of fucking up?

So let's say they get ObamaCare repealed.

Then what?

The American people are going to want to know.

"Repeal ObamaCare...and then what?"

They have not forgotten how much their premiums were going up before ObamaCare.

"Repeal/Defund ObamaCare" is a badly conceptualized publicity stunt, not an alternative.

Repeal ObamaCare...and then what?

How many times have I said, "Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT? The GOP falls flat on its face at the 'and then what' part.

"Repeal ObamaCare". I'm right there with you.

AND THEN WHAT!?!

"Repeal/Defund ObamaCare" is a badly conceptualized publicity stunt, not an alternative.

Repeal ObamaCare...and then what?

How many times have I said, "Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT? The GOP falls flat on its face at the 'and then what' part.

A lot of hot air, but no actual proposals. No plan.

BECAUSE FREEDOM!!!

Repeal ObamaCare...and then what? It's the "then what" where the GOP falls flat on its face.

"Repeal ObamaCare". I'm right there with you.

AND THEN WHAT!?!

A repeal is not an option if there is no other option on the table.

That's what the GOP does not seem to understand. Repeal ObamaCare...and then what?

The 2016 GOP candidate for President will have to answer the following question: "Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT?"

With specifics required. Not some bloviation about "free market solutions". Actual specifics.

This has been the GOP's gigantic blind spot the size of an elephant.

That's what you fools don't get. Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT?!?

Repeal/Defund ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT!!??!!

Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT!?!

Show me the GOP health care reform package.

There isn't one.

It's what I have been saying here for years.

Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!

This is where the bag of dicks fall on their bulbous faces. This is the dead giveaway the GOP abdicated on health care and sold us all down the single payer river decades ago.

Repeal...AND THEN WHAT?

Six years in, and the GOP has still not put an alternative on the table.

I guess they're utterly stumped, eh?

It sure would be nice if the rubes would answer the question I have been asking for years: "Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT!?!?"

The GOP has never laid a comprehensive health care reform package on the table. That's why no one goes along with their idiotic repeal.

Show everyone what would replace ObamaCare and maybe they'll start listening.

How many times over the years have I asked the rubes here, "Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT?"


Trump has not answered that question on his web site, either. Not a word.

So here's the question I have been asking since I arrived on this forum:

Repeal ObamaCare...AND THEN WHAT?!?!

This has stumped every last one of you.

Every time.

One of my early posts about health care reform on this forum, June 2012:

I've already invented a bumper sticker for the limited intellectual bandwidths in the GOP: IT IS NOT A RIGHT, IT IS A TAX. REPEAL OBAMACARE.

Okay...then what?

If the Right does not think beyond repeal, and does not offer up a workable alternative, the Right will be soundly bashed and we will be stuck with ObamaCare forever.

High stakes.


1. Raise the retirement age. We are living longer, we should be working longer. 6 percent of Americans were over 65 when the retirement eligiblity age was set at 65. Today, 12 percent of Americans are over 65. The life expectancy was 60 then. It was not expected that everyone would draw from Social Security. That's why it was called Social Security Insurance. Life expectancy is 78 now and it has become an entitlement.

Raise the eligiblity date to 70, not even to life expectancy, and Americans will pay into Medicare and SS for five more years and draw out five less years. That will have a huge impact on bending down the healthcare cost curve.

2. Eliminate Employer-Provided Health Insurance. It drives the cost of medical care up. Not only that, it is income that is tax exempt. To make matters worse, Obama personally raised the tax-exemption ceiling from $18,000 to $27,000 so that labor union Cadillac plans would not be taxed. Yet he has the balls to say not raising taxes on the rich is costing the rest of us money!

3. Make health insurance the same as home, auto, and life insurance. You should be able to pick up the phone and call any insurance company in the country. And you should be able to pick and choose what coverage options you want.


There are plenty of other ideas which will bend the cost curve down.

Stop focusing on Obama's golf game and bring your A-game, conservatives.

 

[g5000]

Sooooo...we've been waiting for 8 and a half years now for that Obamacare replacement the Republicans said they had. We've been waiting for nearly two years for that TrumpCare plan which was going to lower costs to a "tiny fraction".

Could it be...could it be...

No...say it ain't so!

Could it have all been a giant...HOAX?!!?


You have to wonder why the brainwashed, brain dead, idiot suckers aren't even a little bit pissed they have been made utter fools of.

Well I think we see the gop alternative. Cut all taxes that paid for the program. Remove all mandates. Keep Medicaid expansion despite cost. Keep popular pre-existing conditions coverage and letting kids stay on in adulthood, all of which increase costs for private plans.

Yes, Trump's plan has been to sabotage Obamacare so that disastrous program is even MORE broken.

And now health care costs are at the highest ever.

Meanwhile, the rubes have STILL not caught on they were hoaxed! It's astonishing just how willfully blind they are.

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

 

[Windparadox]

So, you walk into an insurance company with lymphoma stating you need coverage. You haven't paid a dime in premiums, yet the insurance company is now on the hook for 100's of thousands of $$ of treatments.. tell us, how does this work out?

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Ask the author of the article. I posted it because I agree with it. I'm personally backing the single payer system. Medicare for all.

 

[healthmyths]

Sooooo...we've been waiting for 8 and a half years now for that Obamacare replacement the Republicans said they had. We've been waiting for nearly two years for that TrumpCare plan which was going to lower costs to a "tiny fraction".

Could it be...could it be...

No...say it ain't so!

Could it have all been a giant...HOAX?!!?


You have to wonder why the brainwashed, brain dead, idiot suckers aren't even a little bit pissed they have been made utter fools of.

Again EVERYTHING except responding to the premise that I've now proven to be false just as the "FALSE" premise 46 million uninsured.
Why are you so afraid of criticizing what physicians identify as a very easy way of reducing health care costs WHICH is proven by the 1946 Tort Reform Act?
Be so simple to reduce the $1 trillion costs AND at the same time cover the less than 6 million that have Pre-existing conditions... but why are you afraid of that idea?
All in favor of gross disruption of a system that really wasn't in crisis but because YOU loved Obama and Obama LOVED single payer regardless of the gross total cost of
destroying 1400 companies, laying off 450,000 people and eliminating $100 billion a year in federal/state/local taxes.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

So severely sick people should lose everything for being ill

HOW many severely sick people LOSE everything? Where are your facts? AGAIN sounds so caring, so thoughtful but yet you haven't any proof!
FACTS are if you read the below ... NONE would have to if YOU read the facts!
View attachment 221902

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/643000-bankruptcies-in-the-u-s-every-year-due-to-medical-bills/

First of all SNOPES statement was a mixture of truth and falsehood!

The reason:. However, in that analysis NerdWallet repeatedly stated that their findings were “estimates” or “extrapolations,” and some of their data were quite old even back in 2013.


The best way to avoid medical bankruptcy is to prevent medical bills.
To do that, you must prevent or manage chronic diseases.
The most expensive are diabetes, at $26,971 per family, and neurological disorders like multiple sclerosis, which cost $34,167 on average.
The biggest expense is hospitalization, which caused half of the bankruptcies.

High medical bills from accidents can't be avoided. For those situations, a financial cushion is a must. Sock away three to six months of expenses in a savings or money market account. Only a third of Americans have more than $1,000 in savings.

As the research shows, health insurance won't completely protect you. Many people were bankrupted by high deductibles and other out-of-pocket expenses.
You should have at least the amount of your deductible in savings
Do Medical Bills Really Bankrupt America's Families?

But why don't you attack lawyers because of what they do to encourage this waste? Why do you love lawyers that you won't even mention this? Are you afraid?

View attachment 221908

Fact is lots of people go bankrupt.

And thanks to Trump, medical costs are at the highest they have ever been in the history of the Universe.

This Is the No. 1 Reason Americans File for Bankruptcy

According to the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF), more than a quarter of U.S. adults struggle to pay their medical bills. This includes folks who have insurance, whether independently or through an employer. In fact, medical debt is the No. 1 source of personal bankruptcy filings in the U.S., and in 2014, an estimated 40% of Americans racked up debt resulting from a medical issue.

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

Butter went up.. GD Trump!!! I just paid $.10 more for bell peppers... GD Trump!!!

Trump and his GD bell pepper tariffs!!!

 

[g5000]

HOW many severely sick people LOSE everything? Where are your facts? AGAIN sounds so caring, so thoughtful but yet you haven't any proof!
FACTS are if you read the below ... NONE would have to if YOU read the facts!
View attachment 221902

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/643000-bankruptcies-in-the-u-s-every-year-due-to-medical-bills/

First of all SNOPES statement was a mixture of truth and falsehood!

The reason:. However, in that analysis NerdWallet repeatedly stated that their findings were “estimates” or “extrapolations,” and some of their data were quite old even back in 2013.


The best way to avoid medical bankruptcy is to prevent medical bills.
To do that, you must prevent or manage chronic diseases.
The most expensive are diabetes, at $26,971 per family, and neurological disorders like multiple sclerosis, which cost $34,167 on average.
The biggest expense is hospitalization, which caused half of the bankruptcies.

High medical bills from accidents can't be avoided. For those situations, a financial cushion is a must. Sock away three to six months of expenses in a savings or money market account. Only a third of Americans have more than $1,000 in savings.

As the research shows, health insurance won't completely protect you. Many people were bankrupted by high deductibles and other out-of-pocket expenses.
You should have at least the amount of your deductible in savings
Do Medical Bills Really Bankrupt America's Families?

But why don't you attack lawyers because of what they do to encourage this waste? Why do you love lawyers that you won't even mention this? Are you afraid?

View attachment 221908

Fact is lots of people go bankrupt.

And thanks to Trump, medical costs are at the highest they have ever been in the history of the Universe.

This Is the No. 1 Reason Americans File for Bankruptcy

According to the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF), more than a quarter of U.S. adults struggle to pay their medical bills. This includes folks who have insurance, whether independently or through an employer. In fact, medical debt is the No. 1 source of personal bankruptcy filings in the U.S., and in 2014, an estimated 40% of Americans racked up debt resulting from a medical issue.

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

Butter went up.. GD Trump!!! I just paid $.10 more for bell peppers... GD Trump!!!

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

 

[g5000]

Sooooo...we've been waiting for 8 and a half years now for that Obamacare replacement the Republicans said they had. We've been waiting for nearly two years for that TrumpCare plan which was going to lower costs to a "tiny fraction".

Could it be...could it be...

No...say it ain't so!

Could it have all been a giant...HOAX?!!?


You have to wonder why the brainwashed, brain dead, idiot suckers aren't even a little bit pissed they have been made utter fools of.

Again EVERYTHING except responding to the premise that I've now proven to be false just as the "FALSE" premise 46 million uninsured.
Why are you so afraid of criticizing what physicians identify as a very easy way of reducing health care costs WHICH is proven by the 1946 Tort Reform Act?
Be so simple to reduce the $1 trillion costs AND at the same time cover the less than 6 million that have Pre-existing conditions... but why are you afraid of that idea?
All in favor of gross disruption of a system that really wasn't in crisis but because YOU loved Obama and Obama LOVED single payer regardless of the gross total cost of
destroying 1400 companies, laying off 450,000 people and eliminating $100 billion a year in federal/state/local taxes.

Repeal Obamacare...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!?!

 

[g5000]

Gee, let's repeal Obamacare and then do NOTHING so we can return to the decades when health care costs were skyrocketing again!

Believe it or not, folks, that is the Republican plan.

ACTIONS speak much louder than WORDS.

 

[healthmyths]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/643000-bankruptcies-in-the-u-s-every-year-due-to-medical-bills/

First of all SNOPES statement was a mixture of truth and falsehood!

The reason:. However, in that analysis NerdWallet repeatedly stated that their findings were “estimates” or “extrapolations,” and some of their data were quite old even back in 2013.


The best way to avoid medical bankruptcy is to prevent medical bills.
To do that, you must prevent or manage chronic diseases.
The most expensive are diabetes, at $26,971 per family, and neurological disorders like multiple sclerosis, which cost $34,167 on average.
The biggest expense is hospitalization, which caused half of the bankruptcies.

High medical bills from accidents can't be avoided. For those situations, a financial cushion is a must. Sock away three to six months of expenses in a savings or money market account. Only a third of Americans have more than $1,000 in savings.

As the research shows, health insurance won't completely protect you. Many people were bankrupted by high deductibles and other out-of-pocket expenses.
You should have at least the amount of your deductible in savings
Do Medical Bills Really Bankrupt America's Families?

But why don't you attack lawyers because of what they do to encourage this waste? Why do you love lawyers that you won't even mention this? Are you afraid?

View attachment 221908

Fact is lots of people go bankrupt.

And thanks to Trump, medical costs are at the highest they have ever been in the history of the Universe.

This Is the No. 1 Reason Americans File for Bankruptcy

According to the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF), more than a quarter of U.S. adults struggle to pay their medical bills. This includes folks who have insurance, whether independently or through an employer. In fact, medical debt is the No. 1 source of personal bankruptcy filings in the U.S., and in 2014, an estimated 40% of Americans racked up debt resulting from a medical issue.

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

Butter went up.. GD Trump!!! I just paid $.10 more for bell peppers... GD Trump!!!

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

And you are still afraid of Lawyers it appears. And you still believe that over half of all Americans have pre-existing conditions and that there are 46 million uninsured.

Wow!

Just goes to prove how vacuous your head is if you can't even answer the simple idea... Tax lawyers and use to pay for "pre-existing conditions" uninsured.
What is wrong with that? I've proven that $1 trillion in wasted health care costs can be reduced by reducing the incentives to sue as the 1946 Federal Tort Act proves.
Why are you afraid?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Sooooo...we've been waiting for 8 and a half years now for that Obamacare replacement the Republicans said they had. We've been waiting for nearly two years for that TrumpCare plan which was going to lower costs to a "tiny fraction".

Could it be...could it be...

No...say it ain't so!

Could it have all been a giant...HOAX?!!?


You have to wonder why the brainwashed, brain dead, idiot suckers aren't even a little bit pissed they have been made utter fools of.

Again EVERYTHING except responding to the premise that I've now proven to be false just as the "FALSE" premise 46 million uninsured.
Why are you so afraid of criticizing what physicians identify as a very easy way of reducing health care costs WHICH is proven by the 1946 Tort Reform Act?
Be so simple to reduce the $1 trillion costs AND at the same time cover the less than 6 million that have Pre-existing conditions... but why are you afraid of that idea?
All in favor of gross disruption of a system that really wasn't in crisis but because YOU loved Obama and Obama LOVED single payer regardless of the gross total cost of
destroying 1400 companies, laying off 450,000 people and eliminating $100 billion a year in federal/state/local taxes.

Repeal Obamacare...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!?!

The world comes to an end?

 

[healthmyths]

Sooooo...we've been waiting for 8 and a half years now for that Obamacare replacement the Republicans said they had. We've been waiting for nearly two years for that TrumpCare plan which was going to lower costs to a "tiny fraction".

Could it be...could it be...

No...say it ain't so!

Could it have all been a giant...HOAX?!!?


You have to wonder why the brainwashed, brain dead, idiot suckers aren't even a little bit pissed they have been made utter fools of.

Again EVERYTHING except responding to the premise that I've now proven to be false just as the "FALSE" premise 46 million uninsured.
Why are you so afraid of criticizing what physicians identify as a very easy way of reducing health care costs WHICH is proven by the 1946 Tort Reform Act?
Be so simple to reduce the $1 trillion costs AND at the same time cover the less than 6 million that have Pre-existing conditions... but why are you afraid of that idea?
All in favor of gross disruption of a system that really wasn't in crisis but because YOU loved Obama and Obama LOVED single payer regardless of the gross total cost of
destroying 1400 companies, laying off 450,000 people and eliminating $100 billion a year in federal/state/local taxes.

Repeal Obamacare...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!?!

Simple. Read the following but no one seems to comprehend that costs can be reduced! You people truly are afraid of lawyers!

 

[g5000]

I've got one that can see!

 

[g5000]

Sooooo...we've been waiting for 8 and a half years now for that Obamacare replacement the Republicans said they had. We've been waiting for nearly two years for that TrumpCare plan which was going to lower costs to a "tiny fraction".

Could it be...could it be...

No...say it ain't so!

Could it have all been a giant...HOAX?!!?


You have to wonder why the brainwashed, brain dead, idiot suckers aren't even a little bit pissed they have been made utter fools of.

Again EVERYTHING except responding to the premise that I've now proven to be false just as the "FALSE" premise 46 million uninsured.
Why are you so afraid of criticizing what physicians identify as a very easy way of reducing health care costs WHICH is proven by the 1946 Tort Reform Act?
Be so simple to reduce the $1 trillion costs AND at the same time cover the less than 6 million that have Pre-existing conditions... but why are you afraid of that idea?
All in favor of gross disruption of a system that really wasn't in crisis but because YOU loved Obama and Obama LOVED single payer regardless of the gross total cost of
destroying 1400 companies, laying off 450,000 people and eliminating $100 billion a year in federal/state/local taxes.

Repeal Obamacare...AND THEN WHAT!?!?!?!

The world comes to an end?

 

[g5000]

The Republicans have never put a replacement on the table.

Neither has Trump.

ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS.

The rubes are too stupid to catch on they have been hoaxed.

Their egos cannot handle they have been fools. It is too difficult to admit to themselves.

 

[healthmyths]

I've got one that can see!

Again... phony juvenile response. Why are you afraid to admit the truth? The truth being the taxing of 10% of lawyers income would pay for the 6 million or less pre-existing people while reducing the $1 trillion costs due to wasteful healthcare expenses all due to fear of lawsuits!
But you ignore and put up dumb response.

 

[bendog]

Sooooo...we've been waiting for 8 and a half years now for that Obamacare replacement the Republicans said they had. We've been waiting for nearly two years for that TrumpCare plan which was going to lower costs to a "tiny fraction".

Could it be...could it be...

No...say it ain't so!

Could it have all been a giant...HOAX?!!?


You have to wonder why the brainwashed, brain dead, idiot suckers aren't even a little bit pissed they have been made utter fools of.

Well I think we see the gop alternative. Cut all taxes that paid for the program. Remove all mandates. Keep Medicaid expansion despite cost. Keep popular pre-existing conditions coverage and letting kids stay on in adulthood, all of which increase costs for private plans.

Yes, Trump's plan has been to sabotage Obamacare so that disastrous program is even MORE broken.

And now health care costs are at the highest ever.

Meanwhile, the rubes have STILL not caught on they were hoaxed! It's astonishing just how willfully blind they are.

"You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy."

It's not all Trump. McConnell bemoaned the fact that anything done on healthcare to contain costs will make the few hurt vocally unhappy, and the majority who see benefits ... sanguine, so it has to be bipartisan. Yet, McConnell has spent the past two years making any bipartisan senate moves impossible. He has broken an institution that took over 250 years to create. And I don't see what possible benefit is worth the cost. At worst we'd have Garland and Gorsush on the Court and nothing much different otherwise.

And yes, Obama passed Obamacare with no gop votes. And he was wrong there too.

But both McConnell and Boehner tried to make a bipartisan deficit deal, that failed only because of the Freedom Caucus.

But there's no way in hell anything bipartisan will pass in the foresseable future.

 

[bendog]

The Republicans have never put a replacement on the table.

Neither has Trump.

ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS.

The rubes are too stupid to catch on they have been hoaxed.

Their egos cannot handle they have been fools. It is too difficult to admit to themselves.

I think the bottom line is they want what was there before Obamacare, but to get it, they have to keep the popular middle class coverage benefits of Obamacare despite the cost.

And my premium went up, but my 23 year old stays on, even though she's taking two years off of going to college.