Why "Pre-existing conditions" is a phony, blown out of proportion issue.

[bullwinkle]

The below statement sums up why the issue is phony.

An estimated 27% of adults under age 65 in the U.S. have a pre-existing condition.

And, a 2010 study conducted before enactment of ACA showed that 42% of adults aged 50 to 64 who tried to buy insurance in individual insurance markets were rejected outright, charged higher premiums, or had one or more disease conditions removed from coverage.
Possible Removal Of Pre-Existing Conditions Protections

WOW... 27% of adults under age 65 have a pre-existing condition that means of the total 55,671,030 supposedly
have a pre-existing condition that means that can't get health insurance right???
55.7 million! WOW...
But wait... 56% have group health insurance that covers them... that means.. 24.5 million without group insurance.
But wait...7% of Americans have private insurance so that leaves 22.7 million with out health insurance that might have "pre-existing conditions"...and can't get insurance... but WAIT...

When Obama floated this statement:
"We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children,
It was proven by Politifact.org that Obama was "sloppy" because he counted 10 million that were illegal aliens.!
Wow... that meant then not 46 million but 36 million... But WAIT.....

Obama forgot this fact that was later PROVEN to be true by the same guy who said it took the stupidity of voters to pass Obamacare, when Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

a) So of the 46 million Obama stated 10 million illegal, 14 million were eligible for Medicaid...
that leaves 22 million that don't have insurance...
b) So if the 27% is a valid number 27% of 22 million that honestly WANT health insurance but due to pre-existing
conditions or less than 6 million people that can't get health insurance that want health insurance but due to
pre-existing conditions can't get it!

I'm going to shout now:
THAT is NOT half of all Americans that have pre-existing conditions!!!
Yet that was what started this whole conversation when Obama said:
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

AND that's what got people all bent out of shape!
There are NOT half of all Americans that pre-existing conditions preventing them from getting health insurance!

NOW here is a solution for those truly 6 million that either don't qualify for Medicaid or group health insurance:
TAX the lawyers who have caused NEARLY $850 Billion a year in wasted health expenses.
10% of the The legal services industry in the United States generated 256.66 billion U.S. dollars in revenue in 2013.Topic: Legal services industry in the U.S.
25 billion in tax revenue would provide a $340/month health insurance premium for the 6 million that have pre-existing conditions.
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Anecdote: Years ago I recall hearing of a son advised to NOT donate a matching kidney to his desperately ill father because it would create in the son a 'pre-existing condition' that would penalize him the rest of his life. I believe he went ahead anyway. I wonder how he feels now, having the pre-existing part erased, then restored by an admin that taxes in a way the makes the rich richer and takes away deductions from the poorer among us.

SAD... I'm sure... BUT ANECDOTAL! And that's the problem with it!
And this anti-rich attitude is so cliched! So stupid.
Just an aside... WHAT do you think the "rich" do with the money that takes money away from the poor and gives to the "rich".
Are you just that stupid to think the "rich" bury the money or hide under their mattresses?
TELL me exactly WHAT do you think the "rich" do with this largesse???
Explain where that money goes?

Well, sad to say I am not rich, and I really don't know well anybody who is rich, so you question is hypothetical. And I am not against the rich. It's just that few if any of us has everything we want, and yet most of us have everything we need. Food, shelter, clothing, a job or retirement, a movie now and then.... But there's those have real need, and I don't see where Mnuchin or Manfort or Trump's money goes. A person can only eat so much, can sleep just as well on percale sheets as silk, can drive a nice Buick as well as in Infiniti, get around without their own 747, and shave off a little scratch for the children of lesser gods. Not give it all away, but stop hoarding and stop flaunting.

 

[bullwinkle]

You are missing the point

What happens to those who have pre-existing conditions who are fired or want to leave their current employer?
Going on the open market means rejection or exorbitant premiums

Do you think those with pre-existing conditions should pay the same rate as you?

Since when does lack of prior planning on your part, constitute an emergency on my part?

Sure hope Karma didn't hear that , Oddball. It might just zap you with a chronic illness that requires extensive care. Some folks just have to learn the hard way!

 

[Timmy]

Healthcare is a public safety issues .

Just think if healthcare was really free market. Only people covered would be wealthy . And even they would be dumped as soon as they got sick and expensive to cover.

People would die of easily prevented illness . Disease would spread causing all of us harm.

Everyone gets sick and needs medical attention eventually.

 

[busybee01]

The below statement sums up why the issue is phony.

An estimated 27% of adults under age 65 in the U.S. have a pre-existing condition.

And, a 2010 study conducted before enactment of ACA showed that 42% of adults aged 50 to 64 who tried to buy insurance in individual insurance markets were rejected outright, charged higher premiums, or had one or more disease conditions removed from coverage.
Possible Removal Of Pre-Existing Conditions Protections

WOW... 27% of adults under age 65 have a pre-existing condition that means of the total 55,671,030 supposedly
have a pre-existing condition that means that can't get health insurance right???
55.7 million! WOW...
But wait... 56% have group health insurance that covers them... that means.. 24.5 million without group insurance.
But wait...7% of Americans have private insurance so that leaves 22.7 million with out health insurance that might have "pre-existing conditions"...and can't get insurance... but WAIT...

When Obama floated this statement:
"We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children,
It was proven by Politifact.org that Obama was "sloppy" because he counted 10 million that were illegal aliens.!
Wow... that meant then not 46 million but 36 million... But WAIT.....

Obama forgot this fact that was later PROVEN to be true by the same guy who said it took the stupidity of voters to pass Obamacare, when Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

a) So of the 46 million Obama stated 10 million illegal, 14 million were eligible for Medicaid...
that leaves 22 million that don't have insurance...
b) So if the 27% is a valid number 27% of 22 million that honestly WANT health insurance but due to pre-existing
conditions or less than 6 million people that can't get health insurance that want health insurance but due to
pre-existing conditions can't get it!

I'm going to shout now:
THAT is NOT half of all Americans that have pre-existing conditions!!!
Yet that was what started this whole conversation when Obama said:
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

AND that's what got people all bent out of shape!
There are NOT half of all Americans that pre-existing conditions preventing them from getting health insurance!

NOW here is a solution for those truly 6 million that either don't qualify for Medicaid or group health insurance:
TAX the lawyers who have caused NEARLY $850 Billion a year in wasted health expenses.
10% of the The legal services industry in the United States generated 256.66 billion U.S. dollars in revenue in 2013.Topic: Legal services industry in the U.S.
25 billion in tax revenue would provide a $340/month health insurance premium for the 6 million that have pre-existing conditions.
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Why pick on the legal services industry. Why are Republicans so desperate to have protections for people with pre-existing conditions declared unconstitutional.

 

[busybee01]

What's not phony is that Obamacare stopped those actually paying for healthcare from seeing doctors because the deductibles are so high that no one can actually afford to see doctors, unless you're getting free healthcare. Even Bill Clinton called it the "craziest healthcare system ever". I prefer the pre-Obamacare system.

I don't. The Republicans have made the situation worse. Obamacare actually did some good but clearly it needs to be fixed. Voters want to fix it not repeal it.

 

[Flash]

Isn't it amazing how these stupid Liberals screwed up health care by electing that worthless asshole Obama who passed Obamacare and now they complain because the Republicans aren't fixing it fast enough?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Healthcare is a public safety issues .

Just think if healthcare was really free market. Only people covered would be wealthy . And even they would be dumped as soon as they got sick and expensive to cover.

People would die of easily prevented illness . Disease would spread causing all of us harm.

Everyone gets sick and needs medical attention eventually.

This is fucking retarded and demonstrates your youth.

If nobody can afford health services, no doctor will survive. That forces prices to drop to affordable levels. No more $82 pain pills in the hospital.

 

[Timmy]

Isn't it amazing how these stupid Liberals screwed up health care by electing that worthless asshole Obama who passed Obamacare and now they complain because the Republicans aren't fixing it fast enough?

Republicans sabotaged Obamacare and then complain about it.

What’s their plan ? Nothing .

 

[Brain357]

Isn't it amazing how these stupid Liberals screwed up health care by electing that worthless asshole Obama who passed Obamacare and now they complain because the Republicans aren't fixing it fast enough?

Healthcare was a mess long before him.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Isn't it amazing how these stupid Liberals screwed up health care by electing that worthless asshole Obama who passed Obamacare and now they complain because the Republicans aren't fixing it fast enough?

Republicans sabotaged Obamacare and then complain about it.

What’s their plan ? Nothing .

Ocare was worthless. Its dying. It needs some real healthcare.

 

[kyzr]

What's not phony is that Obamacare stopped those actually paying for healthcare from seeing doctors because the deductibles are so high that no one can actually afford to see doctors, unless you're getting free healthcare. Even Bill Clinton called it the "craziest healthcare system ever". I prefer the pre-Obamacare system.

I don't. The Republicans have made the situation worse. Obamacare actually did some good but clearly it needs to be fixed. Voters want to fix it not repeal it.

What needs to be "fixed? Repeal is as good a fix as anything.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Isn't it amazing how these stupid Liberals screwed up health care by electing that worthless asshole Obama who passed Obamacare and now they complain because the Republicans aren't fixing it fast enough?

Healthcare was a mess long before him.

He is not wrong. It was a mess when insurance was introduced.

 

[healthmyths]

The below statement sums up why the issue is phony.

An estimated 27% of adults under age 65 in the U.S. have a pre-existing condition.

And, a 2010 study conducted before enactment of ACA showed that 42% of adults aged 50 to 64 who tried to buy insurance in individual insurance markets were rejected outright, charged higher premiums, or had one or more disease conditions removed from coverage.
Possible Removal Of Pre-Existing Conditions Protections

WOW... 27% of adults under age 65 have a pre-existing condition that means of the total 55,671,030 supposedly
have a pre-existing condition that means that can't get health insurance right???
55.7 million! WOW...
But wait... 56% have group health insurance that covers them... that means.. 24.5 million without group insurance.
But wait...7% of Americans have private insurance so that leaves 22.7 million with out health insurance that might have "pre-existing conditions"...and can't get insurance... but WAIT...

When Obama floated this statement:
"We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children,
It was proven by Politifact.org that Obama was "sloppy" because he counted 10 million that were illegal aliens.!
Wow... that meant then not 46 million but 36 million... But WAIT.....

Obama forgot this fact that was later PROVEN to be true by the same guy who said it took the stupidity of voters to pass Obamacare, when Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

a) So of the 46 million Obama stated 10 million illegal, 14 million were eligible for Medicaid...
that leaves 22 million that don't have insurance...
b) So if the 27% is a valid number 27% of 22 million that honestly WANT health insurance but due to pre-existing
conditions or less than 6 million people that can't get health insurance that want health insurance but due to
pre-existing conditions can't get it!

I'm going to shout now:
THAT is NOT half of all Americans that have pre-existing conditions!!!
Yet that was what started this whole conversation when Obama said:
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

AND that's what got people all bent out of shape!
There are NOT half of all Americans that pre-existing conditions preventing them from getting health insurance!

NOW here is a solution for those truly 6 million that either don't qualify for Medicaid or group health insurance:
TAX the lawyers who have caused NEARLY $850 Billion a year in wasted health expenses.
10% of the The legal services industry in the United States generated 256.66 billion U.S. dollars in revenue in 2013.Topic: Legal services industry in the U.S.
25 billion in tax revenue would provide a $340/month health insurance premium for the 6 million that have pre-existing conditions.
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Why pick on the legal services industry. Why are Republicans so desperate to have protections for people with pre-existing conditions declared unconstitutional.

You didn't read ONE thing the below points out!
Doctors are telling you they are WASTING $1 trillion out of FEAR of lawsuits brought on by LAWYERS!
94% of lawsuits are settled out of court by the insurance companies so these lawyers are making money without even doing anything!
Therefore the doctors are saying well to prevent being sued I'll order additional tests, have another specialist"
So as a result $1 trillion of wasted duplicate efforts all because of FEAR of lawsuits!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND? The lawyers can pay that 10% tax. That tax will pay the "pre-existing conditions" for 6 million people!
The taxes will reduce as the $1 trillion in WASTED Defensive medicine costs decline!

 

[healthmyths]

Healthcare is a public safety issues .

Just think if healthcare was really free market. Only people covered would be wealthy . And even they would be dumped as soon as they got sick and expensive to cover.

People would die of easily prevented illness . Disease would spread causing all of us harm.

Everyone gets sick and needs medical attention eventually.

This is fucking retarded and demonstrates your youth.

If nobody can afford health services, no doctor will survive. That forces prices to drop to affordable levels. No more $82 pain pills in the hospital.

AND why is there $82 pain pills???

AGAIN why aren't people READING the facts here?
In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay. Section 1867 of the Social Security Act imposes specific obligations on Medicare-participating hospitals that offer emergency services to provide a medical screening examination (MSE) when a request is made for examination or treatment for an emergency medical condition (EMC), including active labor, regardless of an individual's ability to pay. Hospitals are then required to provide stabilizing treatment for patients with EMCs. If a hospital is unable to stabilize a patient within its capability, or if the patient requests, an appropriate transfer should be implemented.
Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) - Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

Simply put if a hospital is paid Medicare they have to see patients regardless of ability to pay.
PROOF?
As one hospital CEO when asked "How do hospitals deal with the cost of the uninsured?
His answer: " Like any business, we pass it on to the paying customers."
http://classic.ncmedicaljournal.com/wp-content/uploads/NCMJ/mar-apr-05/Yarbrough.pdf

WHO are the paying customers? Insurance companies, people out of pocket payments and the government!
The hospitals get these payments for uninsured by charging $82 for pain pills!

 

[BluesLegend]

The Republicans have never put a replacement on the table.

A complete big fat lie, I stopped reading your post at that point.

Show me the replacement. Go ahead.

Good luck with that.

The Democrat Party is the faction that came up with and owns the Obamacare Atrocity.

Obamacare, which has been compared to Slavery, passed without the vote of a single Republican.

We just haven't seen any proposals from libs to fix it at all, and fulfill Obama's promise that people will be able to get their old plans and old doctors back and save $2500 a year.

The Republicans only responsibility is in repealing it. Any replacement should be a BIPARTISAN effort. But getting rid of the ACA, lock, stock and barrel needs to be the first step.

Once O'care is out of the way, both sides will have motivation for a replacement.

As I have been asking for many years now, "Repeal Obamacare...AND THEN WHAT?!?!"

I've said many times I am all for repealing Obamacare. I've been calling it a disaster from the get-go.

But where is the GOP replacement?

This always stumps the rubes.

The replacement was a hoax. Will it take another eight and a half years before the rubes finally catch on?

How much higher do health care costs have to go on Trump's watch before you people wake the fuck up that he jerked off in your faces?

You are uninformed. The GOP proposed over 400 pages of healthcare reforms back in 2009, start there and become less ignorant.

 

[NightFox]

`
"For years, people who had been diagnosed with chronic health problems found it difficult, if not impossible, to purchase health insurance on the private market. "

`

Yeah, I had the same problem, I found it impossible to purchase fire insurance on my house after it burned down.

What kind of heartless asshole won't insurance against eventualities that have already occurred ?

Your concept would be valid IF we were not talking life or death.

Yeah thanks, I'll be sure and pass that along to the actuaries that compile the tables for natural disasters.

 

[Rustic]

The below statement sums up why the issue is phony.

An estimated 27% of adults under age 65 in the U.S. have a pre-existing condition.

And, a 2010 study conducted before enactment of ACA showed that 42% of adults aged 50 to 64 who tried to buy insurance in individual insurance markets were rejected outright, charged higher premiums, or had one or more disease conditions removed from coverage.
Possible Removal Of Pre-Existing Conditions Protections

WOW... 27% of adults under age 65 have a pre-existing condition that means of the total 55,671,030 supposedly
have a pre-existing condition that means that can't get health insurance right???
55.7 million! WOW...
But wait... 56% have group health insurance that covers them... that means.. 24.5 million without group insurance.
But wait...7% of Americans have private insurance so that leaves 22.7 million with out health insurance that might have "pre-existing conditions"...and can't get insurance... but WAIT...

When Obama floated this statement:
"We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children,
It was proven by Politifact.org that Obama was "sloppy" because he counted 10 million that were illegal aliens.!
Wow... that meant then not 46 million but 36 million... But WAIT.....

Obama forgot this fact that was later PROVEN to be true by the same guy who said it took the stupidity of voters to pass Obamacare, when Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

a) So of the 46 million Obama stated 10 million illegal, 14 million were eligible for Medicaid...
that leaves 22 million that don't have insurance...
b) So if the 27% is a valid number 27% of 22 million that honestly WANT health insurance but due to pre-existing
conditions or less than 6 million people that can't get health insurance that want health insurance but due to
pre-existing conditions can't get it!

I'm going to shout now:
THAT is NOT half of all Americans that have pre-existing conditions!!!
Yet that was what started this whole conversation when Obama said:
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

AND that's what got people all bent out of shape!
There are NOT half of all Americans that pre-existing conditions preventing them from getting health insurance!

NOW here is a solution for those truly 6 million that either don't qualify for Medicaid or group health insurance:
TAX the lawyers who have caused NEARLY $850 Billion a year in wasted health expenses.
10% of the The legal services industry in the United States generated 256.66 billion U.S. dollars in revenue in 2013.Topic: Legal services industry in the U.S.
25 billion in tax revenue would provide a $340/month health insurance premium for the 6 million that have pre-existing conditions.
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...And conservatives in rural America don’t give a shit about healthcare socialism shit. Progressives need to keep that shit to themselves

 

[Rustic]

The below statement sums up why the issue is phony.

An estimated 27% of adults under age 65 in the U.S. have a pre-existing condition.

And, a 2010 study conducted before enactment of ACA showed that 42% of adults aged 50 to 64 who tried to buy insurance in individual insurance markets were rejected outright, charged higher premiums, or had one or more disease conditions removed from coverage.
Possible Removal Of Pre-Existing Conditions Protections

WOW... 27% of adults under age 65 have a pre-existing condition that means of the total 55,671,030 supposedly
have a pre-existing condition that means that can't get health insurance right???
55.7 million! WOW...
But wait... 56% have group health insurance that covers them... that means.. 24.5 million without group insurance.
But wait...7% of Americans have private insurance so that leaves 22.7 million with out health insurance that might have "pre-existing conditions"...and can't get insurance... but WAIT...

When Obama floated this statement:
"We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children,
It was proven by Politifact.org that Obama was "sloppy" because he counted 10 million that were illegal aliens.!
Wow... that meant then not 46 million but 36 million... But WAIT.....

Obama forgot this fact that was later PROVEN to be true by the same guy who said it took the stupidity of voters to pass Obamacare, when Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

a) So of the 46 million Obama stated 10 million illegal, 14 million were eligible for Medicaid...
that leaves 22 million that don't have insurance...
b) So if the 27% is a valid number 27% of 22 million that honestly WANT health insurance but due to pre-existing
conditions or less than 6 million people that can't get health insurance that want health insurance but due to
pre-existing conditions can't get it!

I'm going to shout now:
THAT is NOT half of all Americans that have pre-existing conditions!!!
Yet that was what started this whole conversation when Obama said:
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

AND that's what got people all bent out of shape!
There are NOT half of all Americans that pre-existing conditions preventing them from getting health insurance!

NOW here is a solution for those truly 6 million that either don't qualify for Medicaid or group health insurance:
TAX the lawyers who have caused NEARLY $850 Billion a year in wasted health expenses.
10% of the The legal services industry in the United States generated 256.66 billion U.S. dollars in revenue in 2013.Topic: Legal services industry in the U.S.
25 billion in tax revenue would provide a $340/month health insurance premium for the 6 million that have pre-existing conditions.
View attachment 221886

Anecdote: Years ago I recall hearing of a son advised to NOT donate a matching kidney to his desperately ill father because it would create in the son a 'pre-existing condition' that would penalize him the rest of his life. I believe he went ahead anyway. I wonder how he feels now, having the pre-existing part erased, then restored by an admin that taxes in a way the makes the rich richer and takes away deductions from the poorer among us.

Socialized medicine has no appeal to conservatives in rural America... You progressives need to keep that shit to yourselves

 

[Kondor3]

The below statement sums up why the issue is phony.

An estimated 27% of adults under age 65 in the U.S. have a pre-existing condition.

And, a 2010 study conducted before enactment of ACA showed that 42% of adults aged 50 to 64 who tried to buy insurance in individual insurance markets were rejected outright, charged higher premiums, or had one or more disease conditions removed from coverage.
Possible Removal Of Pre-Existing Conditions Protections

WOW... 27% of adults under age 65 have a pre-existing condition that means of the total 55,671,030 supposedly
have a pre-existing condition that means that can't get health insurance right???
55.7 million! WOW...
But wait... 56% have group health insurance that covers them... that means.. 24.5 million without group insurance.
But wait...7% of Americans have private insurance so that leaves 22.7 million with out health insurance that might have "pre-existing conditions"...and can't get insurance... but WAIT...

When Obama floated this statement:
"We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children,
It was proven by Politifact.org that Obama was "sloppy" because he counted 10 million that were illegal aliens.!
Wow... that meant then not 46 million but 36 million... But WAIT.....

Obama forgot this fact that was later PROVEN to be true by the same guy who said it took the stupidity of voters to pass Obamacare, when Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

a) So of the 46 million Obama stated 10 million illegal, 14 million were eligible for Medicaid...
that leaves 22 million that don't have insurance...
b) So if the 27% is a valid number 27% of 22 million that honestly WANT health insurance but due to pre-existing
conditions or less than 6 million people that can't get health insurance that want health insurance but due to
pre-existing conditions can't get it!

I'm going to shout now:
THAT is NOT half of all Americans that have pre-existing conditions!!!
Yet that was what started this whole conversation when Obama said:
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

AND that's what got people all bent out of shape!
There are NOT half of all Americans that pre-existing conditions preventing them from getting health insurance!

NOW here is a solution for those truly 6 million that either don't qualify for Medicaid or group health insurance:
TAX the lawyers who have caused NEARLY $850 Billion a year in wasted health expenses.
10% of the The legal services industry in the United States generated 256.66 billion U.S. dollars in revenue in 2013.Topic: Legal services industry in the U.S.
25 billion in tax revenue would provide a $340/month health insurance premium for the 6 million that have pre-existing conditions.
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In Websters, under "paid shill for the insurance industry", it says: "See him (or her)"

That's right, folks... go along with the Corporatists... doesn't matter, until YOU have a preexisting condition, right?

Me... I don't have to worry... I'm covered with excellent healthcare for life, but there are vast legions of Americans for whom that's not true...

And, within that universe, there are vast numbers of those lacking adequate healthcare who do, indeed, have preexisting conditions...

People who cannot ( or soon will not ) be able to obtain adequate healthcare coverage because of those same preexisting conditions...

The exact numbers don't matter a damn... the point is, there are very large numbers of people for whom we should make provision...

With respect to healthcare, the Republicans are turning Bedford Falls into Pottersville, one sick, needy American at a time...

Where-the-phukk is your humanity and your compassion and your empathy for those in grave need of care, who are no longer eligible?

"If the poor will not go to the workhouses, then they should die, and thereby decrease the surplus population"... right, a$$holes?

This is why Republicans are good for putting the brakes on dumb-a$$ Democrats but why they can never hold onto power for long...

Jesus-H-Tap-Dancing-Christ-on-a-Crutch, but some of you Sheeple just don't think... or feel... or anticipate the future in a sensible way.

 

[Rustic]

Everyone has has a pre-existing condition, mortality. If anyone can be so designated and denied coverage, then we all can. That should be the concern, because it can effect all of us when those decisions can be made solely on a financial basis.

Question...
Do you have car insurance or home insurance?
Did you know that every car or home insurance policy is priced BASED on your conditions... not necessarily health but other factors.
Why are you then offended when a health insurance company wants to minimize their costs by eliminating risks?
After all that's what insurance is all about.

Because you can live without the convenience of a car and get by. You take the chance of not having home insurance and get by. But without health insurance, if ill health strikes, you can lose the home and the car and still die from lack of care when all else runs out, leaving a family in desperate need in addition to grief.

Lol
Insurance is not healthcare, you fucking moron