Why should there be “universal background checks” for firearms sales and transfers?

[Big Bend Texas]

Do you realize the parameters you set are incompatible? How would a shooter who couldn't get a gun legally via an FFL and also wasn't able to get a gun any other way end up shooting somebody?

Yah, that needs a rewrite.

 

[progressive hunter]

Find a drug dealer and you are no more than one step away from buying a gun illegally.

Laws don't prevent crime, they can only create criminals and punish offenders when caught.

"if caught"

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Yea...people like you

You think there aren't dangerous poor sections of cities in ANY country?

Dude save the racism and "dangerous black man" rhetoric

I've never committed anything worse than a traffic infraction, you are a fool baying at the moon.

 

[M14 Shooter]

There are plenty examples of countries with stricter gun laws that have far less RATES of gun murders and murders in general

Still waiting for you to demonstrate the necessary relationship between these gun laws and the associated lower rates on gun-related violence.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Dude save the racism and "dangerous black man" rhetoric

You are projecting. I never said anything but "The Dangerous Blackman".

Now if you want to look at the racial demographics of violent crime though I'm yer huckleberry.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Bullshit. Almost every first world country with stricter gun laws has lower rates of gun murders and murders in general. That's powerful evidence whether you like it or not

You keep saying this - and yet you know you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the guns laws in those countries and their lower rates of gun violence.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

You keep saying this - and yet you know you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the guns laws in those countries and their lower rates of gun violence.

Can't and never will. It's a theory that isn't even testable.

 

[Lesh]

Go spend some time in the ghettos of our large cities.

I never said anything but "The Dangerous Blackman".

Now if you want to look at the racial demographics of violent crime though I'm yer huckleberry.

Dude...you're not only racist...you're a lying *****

 

[Lesh]

You keep saying this - and yet you know you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the guns laws in those countries and their lower rates of gun violence.

Necessary to you?

Why? You'll ignore anything ...

The facts are the facts whether you like it or not

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Dude...you're not only racist...you're a lying *****

People of all races live in ghettos you racist moron.

 

[task0778]

my guess is the BG check hasnt stop a single restricted person from getting a gun once they decided they wanted one,,

LOL! How would you know? Are you expecting a story somewhere about a person who wanted a gun but was denied a gun purchase due to a failed BC and then told the world about it? I do not doubt that many people have failed a BC, but then to believe that ALL of them managed to get a gun anyway?


FYI ... as many as 160,000 people are denied a gun purchase each year because they failed a check.

Most People Who Fail a Gun Background Check Are Breaking the Law, but They’re Hardly Ever Arrested

States with "lie and try" policies are trying to change that.

www.thetrace.org

No idea how accurate that number is, but I highly doubt every one of them ended up with a gun anyway.

 

[woodwork201]

Do you realize the parameters you set are incompatible? How would a shooter who couldn't get a gun legally via an FFL and also wasn't able to get a gun any other way end up shooting somebody?

Do you realize that NICS never once prevented anyone who wanted a gun from getting a gun? That was the whole point of my offer. NICS does not work, can not work, never worked, has never stopped a single person from obtaining a firearm. And the FBI has been caught multiple times keeping the NICS data they're legally required to not keep. NICS is gun registration.

The ATF has changed its rules so that bound books must now be retained forever instead of 20 years (as if that wasn't already far too long, representing de facto gun registration). That means that, in the end, and pretty much on demand, the government will get gun registration for about 90% of guns in America.

In the modern, connected world, it only makes sense for bound-books to become online books and the ATF will have the gun sales records immediately. Then there will be a push to capture digitally all the data in the paper books to complete the records.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

LOL! How would you know? Are you expecting a story somewhere about a person who wanted a gun but was denied a gun purchase due to a failed BC and then told the world about it? I do not doubt that many people have failed a BC, but then to believe that ALL of them managed to get a gun anyway?


FYI ... as many as 160,000 people are denied a gun purchase each year because they failed a check.

Most People Who Fail a Gun Background Check Are Breaking the Law, but They’re Hardly Ever Arrested

States with "lie and try" policies are trying to change that.

www.thetrace.org

No idea how accurate that number is, but I highly doubt every one of them ended up with a gun anyway.

Most of which aren't seeking to buy a gun to commit murder.

Damned few of them are ever prosecuted too which points out a serious problem.

Why would more laws help if we're not even going to enforce the laws already on the books?

 

[woodwork201]

LOL! How would you know? Are you expecting a story somewhere about a person who wanted a gun but was denied a gun purchase due to a failed BC and then told the world about it? I do not doubt that many people have failed a BC, but then to believe that ALL of them managed to get a gun anyway?


FYI ... as many as 160,000 people are denied a gun purchase each year because they failed a check.

Most People Who Fail a Gun Background Check Are Breaking the Law, but They’re Hardly Ever Arrested

States with "lie and try" policies are trying to change that.

www.thetrace.org

No idea how accurate that number is, but I highly doubt every one of them ended up with a gun anyway.

Not a question of whether or not they ended up with a gun; it's a question of whether they still wanted a gun and then whether or not they ended up with one.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Not a question of whether or not they ended up with a gun; it's a question of whether they still wanted a gun and then whether or not they ended up with one.

Background checks won't stop anyone from getting a gun who is serious about committing a crime with one.

If police or fed's followed up on the failed BCG's however they just might prevent some mass shootings and other crimes.

Less than one in a thousand who fail however are ever even investigated.

Prosecutions for Lying on Gun Background Checks Fall to New Low

An audit of the federal firearms background check system released on Wednesday found prosecutions for those who illegally try to buy a gun from a firearms dealer had fallen to new lows.

freebeacon.com

Unless you're already on a watch list which triggers a flag you have about the same odds of being struck by lightning as having a cop or fed come knocking on your door.

 

[task0778]

Well, it's clear that you think the Constitution is nothing more than a suggestion to the Government. But then you believe the Welfare Clause gives the government the power to create any law they choose. That's an idiotic idea totally unsupported by the facts and I've given you the statements from Madison and Hamilton to back it up.

I hafta laugh, have you seen the shit that the democrats have passed in the House since Pelosi took over as Speaker? And don't think for a minute the Senate democrats wouldn't pass it verbatim if they could and Biden would sign it. YES! They can create any freakin' law they want to if they can get enough votes, and I think you know that. It's for the General Welfare, they claim! It's for the People! But their problem is that whatever law they pass will be challenged in court and struck down by the courts if it violates the Constitution. That is the checks and balances thing working, to prevent a runaway Congress from doing whatever the hell they want. How do you not understand that? The Constitution is NOT a suggestion, it is the basis for every law we have or is supposed to be.

 

[Lesh]

People of all races live in ghettos you racist moron.

Yea right asswipe. We're all fooled

 

[Big Bend Texas]

I hafta laugh, have you seen the shit that the democrats have passed in the House since Pelosi took over as Speaker? And don't think for a minute the Senate democrats wouldn't pass it verbatim if they could and Biden would sign it. YES! They can create any freakin' law they want to if they can get enough votes, and I think you know that. It's for the General Welfare, they claim! It's for the People! But their problem is that whatever law they pass will be challenged in court and struck down by the courts if it violates the Constitution. That is the checks and balances thing working, to prevent a runaway Congress from doing whatever the hell they want. How do you not understand that? The Constitution is NOT a suggestion, it is the basis for every law we have or is supposed to be.

That would be a long list considering she's been there damned near since the Eisenhower Era.

I wonder just when it was she became such a hateful dishonest bitch?

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Yea right asswipe. We're all fooled

You are a racist moron, we've already settled that so would you like to move onto something less embarrassing for yourself?

 

[Lesh]

Background checks won't stop anyone from getting a gun who is serious about committing a crime with one.

Right. So forget about laws because ...ya know... criminals...

Nonsense