Why the the left should NEVER try exploiting the Bible

[hadit]

Render unto Caeser ring a bell?

He also favored progressive taxation by insisting that the poor woman gave more than the rich man because she gave a greater share of her belongings to the church. And for the Jews in that time period, the church was, for all intents and purposes, the organization managing the welfare of the people (like the government today).

But who knows, maybe you're right, and Jesus would be pro-gun, pro free market, pro tax subsidies for digging up oil, etc.

Well...you're half right GD. Jesus was pro-FREE WILL. The entire Bible made that very clear. He would be appalled by the left's idea of "helping" (stick a gun to other people's head and force them).

Frankly - I don't understand why we need government to help. Everywhere I look, I see nothing but bleeding heart liberals who care sooooooooooo much about their fellow man. I'm sure you forgo 6 out of 7 meals per week to make sure a family without food can eat - right GD? Who needs government with people like you, velvtacheeze, etc.?

So there's no Christian mandate to outlaw abortion. You're saying that even if Jesus Christ personally opposed abortion, since he was 'pro-FREE WILL'

he would never support using the government to punish anyone from choosing an abortion?

are you sure about that??

lol

If you believe a developing baby is a human being, it's in the same category as murder, therefore it's not just a religious objection.

A lot of our laws are based on the Judeo-Christian moral code. How far do you want to go in either direction, dismantling or advancing it?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Which do you want, a theocratic government that enforces Jesus' teachings or one that doesn't?

This is not a "zero sum" situation.....it does not take a "theocratic Government" to assist the poor the disabled the single parent the mentally ill ...it is your effort to ..."search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. "

The Budget Item below is all good eh

Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,753,449,697,661

That we can legitimately discuss. The problem comes when "liberals" chastise "conservatives" because they're not following the teachings of Jesus, but have not intentions whatsoever to actually have the government so legislate.

Jesus didn't tell governments how to act, He told His Church how to act.

Huh?

How could a dead guy tell a church how to act when there weren't christians or christian churches when he was alive?


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Good one...lol, and that's not my sarcastic 'good one'.

 

[hadit]

Which do you want, a theocratic government that enforces Jesus' teachings or one that doesn't?

This is not a "zero sum" situation.....it does not take a "theocratic Government" to assist the poor the disabled the single parent the mentally ill ...it is your effort to ..."search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. "

The Budget Item below is all good eh

Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,753,449,697,661

That we can legitimately discuss. The problem comes when "liberals" chastise "conservatives" because they're not following the teachings of Jesus, but have not intentions whatsoever to actually have the government so legislate.

Jesus didn't tell governments how to act, He told His Church how to act.

So, then, based on your argument, there is no Christian mandate to make abortion illegal.

If you believe a developing baby is a human being deserving of the same protections as anyone else, it's a whole different argument.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Render unto Caeser ring a bell?

He also favored progressive taxation by insisting that the poor woman gave more than the rich man because she gave a greater share of her belongings to the church. And for the Jews in that time period, the church was, for all intents and purposes, the organization managing the welfare of the people (like the government today).

But who knows, maybe you're right, and Jesus would be pro-gun, pro free market, pro tax subsidies for digging up oil, etc.

Well...you're half right GD. Jesus was pro-FREE WILL. The entire Bible made that very clear. He would be appalled by the left's idea of "helping" (stick a gun to other people's head and force them).

Frankly - I don't understand why we need government to help. Everywhere I look, I see nothing but bleeding heart liberals who care sooooooooooo much about their fellow man. I'm sure you forgo 6 out of 7 meals per week to make sure a family without food can eat - right GD? Who needs government with people like you, velvtacheeze, etc.?

So there's no Christian mandate to outlaw abortion. You're saying that even if Jesus Christ personally opposed abortion, since he was 'pro-FREE WILL'

he would never support using the government to punish anyone from choosing an abortion?

are you sure about that??

lol

If you believe a developing baby is a human being, it's in the same category as murder, therefore it's not just a religious objection.

A lot of our laws are based on the Judeo-Christian moral code. How far do you want to go in either direction, dismantling or advancing it?

First Jesus doesn't support government enforcement of Christian morals, now he does.

Make up your mind.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Which do you want, a theocratic government that enforces Jesus' teachings or one that doesn't?

This is not a "zero sum" situation.....it does not take a "theocratic Government" to assist the poor the disabled the single parent the mentally ill ...it is your effort to ..."search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. "

The Budget Item below is all good eh

Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,753,449,697,661

That we can legitimately discuss. The problem comes when "liberals" chastise "conservatives" because they're not following the teachings of Jesus, but have not intentions whatsoever to actually have the government so legislate.

Jesus didn't tell governments how to act, He told His Church how to act.

So, then, based on your argument, there is no Christian mandate to make abortion illegal.

If you believe a developing baby is a human being deserving of the same protections as anyone else, it's a whole different argument.

So you agree that by any measure, Jesus was pro-choice.

 

[hadit]

Which do you want, a theocratic government that enforces Jesus' teachings or one that doesn't?

This is not a "zero sum" situation.....it does not take a "theocratic Government" to assist the poor the disabled the single parent the mentally ill ...it is your effort to ..."search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. "

The Budget Item below is all good eh

Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,753,449,697,661

That we can legitimately discuss. The problem comes when "liberals" chastise "conservatives" because they're not following the teachings of Jesus, but have not intentions whatsoever to actually have the government so legislate.

Jesus didn't tell governments how to act, He told His Church how to act.

Huh?

How could a dead guy tell a church how to act when there weren't christians or christian churches when he was alive?


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Do you want the deep theological answer, or the quick one?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Which do you want, a theocratic government that enforces Jesus' teachings or one that doesn't?

This is not a "zero sum" situation.....it does not take a "theocratic Government" to assist the poor the disabled the single parent the mentally ill ...it is your effort to ..."search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. "

The Budget Item below is all good eh

Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,753,449,697,661

That we can legitimately discuss. The problem comes when "liberals" chastise "conservatives" because they're not following the teachings of Jesus, but have not intentions whatsoever to actually have the government so legislate.

Jesus didn't tell governments how to act, He told His Church how to act.

So, then, based on your argument, there is no Christian mandate to make abortion illegal.

If you believe a developing baby is a human being deserving of the same protections as anyone else, it's a whole different argument.

So you agree that by any measure, Jesus was pro-choice.

Gawd you're ignorant

 

[hadit]

Which do you want, a theocratic government that enforces Jesus' teachings or one that doesn't?

This is not a "zero sum" situation.....it does not take a "theocratic Government" to assist the poor the disabled the single parent the mentally ill ...it is your effort to ..."search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. "

The Budget Item below is all good eh

Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,753,449,697,661

That we can legitimately discuss. The problem comes when "liberals" chastise "conservatives" because they're not following the teachings of Jesus, but have not intentions whatsoever to actually have the government so legislate.

Jesus didn't tell governments how to act, He told His Church how to act.

So, then, based on your argument, there is no Christian mandate to make abortion illegal.

If you believe a developing baby is a human being deserving of the same protections as anyone else, it's a whole different argument.

So you agree that by any measure, Jesus was pro-choice.

No. I agree that Jesus saw the developing baby as a human being.

 

[hadit]

Render unto Caeser ring a bell?

He also favored progressive taxation by insisting that the poor woman gave more than the rich man because she gave a greater share of her belongings to the church. And for the Jews in that time period, the church was, for all intents and purposes, the organization managing the welfare of the people (like the government today).

But who knows, maybe you're right, and Jesus would be pro-gun, pro free market, pro tax subsidies for digging up oil, etc.

Well...you're half right GD. Jesus was pro-FREE WILL. The entire Bible made that very clear. He would be appalled by the left's idea of "helping" (stick a gun to other people's head and force them).

Frankly - I don't understand why we need government to help. Everywhere I look, I see nothing but bleeding heart liberals who care sooooooooooo much about their fellow man. I'm sure you forgo 6 out of 7 meals per week to make sure a family without food can eat - right GD? Who needs government with people like you, velvtacheeze, etc.?

So there's no Christian mandate to outlaw abortion. You're saying that even if Jesus Christ personally opposed abortion, since he was 'pro-FREE WILL'

he would never support using the government to punish anyone from choosing an abortion?

are you sure about that??

lol

If you believe a developing baby is a human being, it's in the same category as murder, therefore it's not just a religious objection.

A lot of our laws are based on the Judeo-Christian moral code. How far do you want to go in either direction, dismantling or advancing it?

First Jesus doesn't support government enforcement of Christian morals, now he does.

Make up your mind.

No, we based a lot of our laws on Judeo-Christian foundations. How far do you want to go in either direction, dismantling or advancing it?

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is not a "zero sum" situation.....it does not take a "theocratic Government" to assist the poor the disabled the single parent the mentally ill ...it is your effort to ..."search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. "

The Budget Item below is all good eh

Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,753,449,697,661

That we can legitimately discuss. The problem comes when "liberals" chastise "conservatives" because they're not following the teachings of Jesus, but have not intentions whatsoever to actually have the government so legislate.

Jesus didn't tell governments how to act, He told His Church how to act.

So, then, based on your argument, there is no Christian mandate to make abortion illegal.

If you believe a developing baby is a human being deserving of the same protections as anyone else, it's a whole different argument.

So you agree that by any measure, Jesus was pro-choice.

No. I agree that Jesus saw the developing baby as a human being.

You have no evidence of that, plus it's irrelevant.

He saw the poor as human beings. But you say he wouldn't want government to force people to pay taxes to help the poor.
Why then would he want the government to force people to help the unborn?

 

[hadit]

That we can legitimately discuss. The problem comes when "liberals" chastise "conservatives" because they're not following the teachings of Jesus, but have not intentions whatsoever to actually have the government so legislate.

Jesus didn't tell governments how to act, He told His Church how to act.

So, then, based on your argument, there is no Christian mandate to make abortion illegal.

If you believe a developing baby is a human being deserving of the same protections as anyone else, it's a whole different argument.

So you agree that by any measure, Jesus was pro-choice.

No. I agree that Jesus saw the developing baby as a human being.

You have no evidence of that, plus it's irrelevant.

Actually, I do have evidence of that. Jesus revered Jewish Scriptures, among which is Jeremiah, who explicitly references God knowing him before he was born.

He saw the poor as human beings. But you say he wouldn't want government to force people to pay taxes to help the poor.
Why then would he want the government to force people to help the unborn?

Now, now, you're misconstruing what I said. A Christian theocracy WOULD tax people to feed the poor (and do other things like make divorce very difficult), but Jesus didn't agitate for Christian theocracies, He told His followers to care for the poor, and His followers are world wide, under no one government.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

A lot of our laws are based on the Judeo-Christian moral code. How far do you want to go in either direction, dismantling or advancing it?

First Jesus doesn't support government enforcement of Christian morals, now he does.

Make up your mind.

No, we based a lot of our laws on Judeo-Christian foundations. How far do you want to go in either direction, dismantling or advancing it?[/QUOTE]
No wonder we had Slavery..Christian based laws ...

Like Good Christians some would burn "the witches"

later some brought slaves to gather riches

 

[hadit]

A lot of our laws are based on the Judeo-Christian moral code. How far do you want to go in either direction, dismantling or advancing it?

First Jesus doesn't support government enforcement of Christian morals, now he does.

Make up your mind.

No, we based a lot of our laws on Judeo-Christian foundations. How far do you want to go in either direction, dismantling or advancing it?[/QUOTE]
No wonder wehad Slavery..Christian based laws ...[/QUOTE]
Should we base our laws on Judeo-Christian moral foundations or not?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

No. I agree that Jesus saw the developing baby as a human being.

How did Jesus feel about the poor VS what you feel about the poor ...

 

[hadit]

No. I agree that Jesus saw the developing baby as a human being.

How did Jesus feel about the poor VS what you feel about the poor ...

Well, He recognized that we will always have the poor among us. I agree with that. He said we are to help the poor around us. I agree with that. Do you have anything in particular that you think He would say that I would disagree with? Or are you just desperately trolling?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

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Should we base our laws on Judeo-Christian moral foundations or not?

No we do not need God or Religion to act in a pragmatic way...helping others is not only the moral thing to do it is the practical thing to do...this is more of your effort to say we only have two choices heartlessness or theocracy


General Welfare. The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens. Providing for the welfare of the general public is a basic goal of government. The preamble to the U.S. Constitution cites promotion of the general welfare as a primary reason for the creation of the Constitution ...
General Welfare legal definition of General Welfare - Legal Dictionary

 

[danielpalos]

When is the right wing going to stop being infidel, protestant, and renegade to a Holy Bible at Genesis 1:29-31? End our Drug War or, "have some 'splaining' to do, at the "pearly gates".

 

[hadit]

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Should we base our laws on Judeo-Christian moral foundations or not?

No we do not need God or Religion to act in a pragmatic way...helping others is not only the moral thing to do it is the practical thing to do...this is more of your effort to say we only have two choices heartlessness or theocracy


General Welfare. The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens. Providing for the welfare of the general public is a basic goal of government. The preamble to the U.S. Constitution cites promotion of the general welfare as a primary reason for the creation of the Constitution ...
General Welfare legal definition of General Welfare - Legal Dictionary

No, this is me illustrating how ridiculous it is for "liberals" to castigate "conservatives" for not supporting forced welfare, because, you know, Jesus did, and stuff.

 

[danielpalos]

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Should we base our laws on Judeo-Christian moral foundations or not?

No we do not need God or Religion to act in a pragmatic way...helping others is not only the moral thing to do it is the practical thing to do...this is more of your effort to say we only have two choices heartlessness or theocracy


General Welfare. The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens. Providing for the welfare of the general public is a basic goal of government. The preamble to the U.S. Constitution cites promotion of the general welfare as a primary reason for the creation of the Constitution ...
General Welfare legal definition of General Welfare - Legal Dictionary

No, this is me illustrating how ridiculous it is for "liberals" to castigate "conservatives" for not supporting forced welfare, because, you know, Jesus did, and stuff.

don't complain; be Patriotic.

We have a general welfare clause; we do not have a general warfare clause, nor a common offense clause.

Just a national socialist and don't know it? some on the left are trying to be poets, and know it.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

No, this is me illustrating how ridiculous it is for "liberals" to castigate "conservatives" for not supporting forced welfare, because, you know, Jesus did, and stuff.

Jesus said "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's"....he said that when "they" [people like you] came to trap him on the "Tax Issue"...you see those taxes did not go to anything that benefited the people in the Roman Empire occupied provinces. Those taxes went to the wealth and care of the Roman Emperor ...that was real thieving ...but still Jesus said "yup pay the taxes" render to Caesar what is his...

Our Government IE Caesar has determined that some of the money it collects will go for "the General welfare" and this upsets folks like you...

This is what Does not upset you in Caesar's spending

Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,753,449,697,661