Why Trump Was Charged On Secret Documents And Clinton, Pence Were Not

Truly you are at the deepest of TDS. You are an enemy of America .

Nope. That would be the guy who organized a mob of inbred rednecks to try to overthrow an election.

Senator Biden had no authority to take classified documents. Therefore intent is proven. Maybe you and Hunter can be ceil mates and he'll get one of those hookers in to visit you two

Actually, he had clearance, even when a Senator. Thus, why no charges were filed.

You have zero credibility on this or any subject concerning Trump obviously. But thanks for playing.
Oh, quite the contrary, I know a wannabe dictator when I see one.

In ten years, after he's gone to prison, you and your ilk will all be pretending you never heard of the man.
 
Are you fucking kidding me, EVERYTHING Trump does is mal intent. The man is a petty, vindictive narcissist who doesn't care about anyone or anything but his own ego.

Wrong.
The polls had said he was going to win the election, and with his ego, he likely was unable to conceive of losing.
So then likely he was totally unprepared for losing, and had to hire movers to box things up quickly.
So it is VERY unlikely he had any idea what was in those boxes at Mar-a-Lago, and it was just his correct instinct to deny everything when called on it.
Remember, there were over 150 boxes, and all the classified docs would easily have fit into a single box.
Could you imagine an overweight Trump actually being at all involved in packing those boxes?
 
Nope. That would be the guy who organized a mob of inbred rednecks to try to overthrow an election.



Actually, he had clearance, even when a Senator. Thus, why no charges were filed.


Oh, quite the contrary, I know a wannabe dictator when I see one.

In ten years, after he's gone to prison, you and your ilk will all be pretending you never heard of the man.
Numbnuts he did not have clearances to take any classified documents home. Thus is why you have a two tier justice system
 
But senators don't

Senators normally have no security clearance because politicians can't get one.
But they can still sometimes be allowed access or even possession of classified docs, if a president so authorizes.
Presidents can do absolutely anything at all that they want with all classified docs.
 
Senators normally have no security clearance because politicians can't get one.
But they can still sometimes be allowed access or even possession of classified docs, if a president so authorizes.
Presidents can do absolutely anything at all that they want with all classified docs.
Senators can have Access no one is saying they don't have access but taking them home no they don't have that authority
 
First of all, while I dislike Trump, he actually rates fairly highly as presidents in history goes.

No, he doesn't.

Worst Pandemic in 100 yeas.
Worst economy in 80 years.
Worst race riots in 50 years.
Two impeachments.
Attempt to overthrow a valid election.

The man is a criminal.

He started no illegal wars, did not harm the economy, and was right about almost everything, from covid to China trade wars.

First, there's no such thing as an "illegal war". Nations go to war, and it's legal when they do it.

Second, his China Trade war was fucking retarded. It probably contributed to the economic collapse of 2020 because it made it harder for companies that manufacture things to get components. China is not our enemy. They could be a very good friend if we got out of our own way.

His economy was beyond fucked up. Even if you give him a mulligan on 14% unemployment and 265,000 businesses that went belly up during Covid, the fact is GDP Growth was under 3% for his first three years, and Shrank by 4% in 2020.

Covid, he couldn't have been more wrong about. Remember when he told people to inject bleach, or when he claimed it would go away by Easter?


Second is that the classified doc laws explicitly make it impossible to charge an ex-president with anything.

Um, he's been charged, so no, you'd be wrong there.

And in fact it is illegal for anyone to try to take any classified docs from an ex-president, who permanently owns any classified docs given to himself, while president.
It is the FBI, DOJ, and judges involved in this classified doc prosecution who are in total violation of the Presidential executive orders that constitute the US classified doc laws.

That's fucking retarded and really, you don't know what you are talking about.

NARA has no authority over anyone given classified docs by a president.
NARA is only authorized to help presidents, has no authority over them, and the only remote legal authority they have comes from FOIA. Which does not apply since these docs were just copies.

Except TRUMP ISN"T PRESIDENT, and the minute he left, he lost ANY authority to keep classified documents.
 
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And too, and not unimportantly...... respectfully recognizing that no man is above the law.

In my humble opinion --- defying a court issued DOJ initiated subpoena is, generally speaking...... not an optimum demonstration of sound judgment. No?

When it comes to classified doc law, absolutely Presidents are totally "above the law".
They are the arbitrary law when it comes to classified docs.
That is explicit in all classified docs laws.
And also obvious since all classified doc laws come from presidential executive orders.

A DOJ subpoena of classified docs is totally and completely illegal and requires all DOJ members involved to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the executive orders that constitute classified doc laws.
 
Nope. That would be the guy who organized a mob of inbred rednecks to try to overthrow an election.



Actually, he had clearance, even when a Senator. Thus, why no charges were filed.


Oh, quite the contrary, I know a wannabe dictator when I see one.

In ten years, after he's gone to prison, you and your ilk will all be pretending you never heard of the man.

Wrong.
Almost no senators ever have classified doc security clearance because they are politicians, so then have totally unreliable finances.
The ONLY senators who ever have a security clearance are the ones on right committee.
Biden never had a security clearance.
When Senator, it would have been nearly impossible.
When VP, he did not need one anymore since like presidents, VPs are explicitly exempt.
 
Senators can have Access no one is saying they don't have access but taking them home no they don't have that authority

Agree.
It is very unlikely any president authorized Biden to take any classified docs home.
 
No, he doesn't.

Worst Pandemic in 100 yeas.
Worst economy in 80 years.
Worst race riots in 50 years.
Two impeachments.
Attempt to overthrow a valid election.

The man is a criminal




That's fucking retarded and really, you don't know what you are talking about.
You fucking numbnuts
Trump tried to prevent china from coming to the US but democrats fought that

Worst economy? Your deranged

Race riots in democrat controlled cities
Two banana republic impeachments
You're an idiot
 
Wrong.
Almost no senators ever have classified doc security clearance because they are politicians, so then have totally unreliable finances.
The ONLY senators who ever have a security clearance are the ones on right committee.
Biden never had a security clearance.
When Senator, it would have been nearly impossible.
When VP, he did not need one anymore since like presidents, VPs are explicitly exempt.
You're forgetting one thing
No senator has the authority to remove and take classified documents home.
 
No, he doesn't.

Worst Pandemic in 100 yeas.
Worst economy in 80 years.
Worst race riots in 50 years.
Two impeachments.
Attempt to overthrow a valid election.

The man is a criminal.



First, there's no such thing as an "illegal war". Nations go to war, and it's legal when they do it.

Second, his China Trade war was fucking retarded. It probably contributed to the economic collapse of 2020 because it made it harder for companies that manufacture things to get components. China is not our enemy. They could be a very good friend if we got out of our own way.

His economy was beyond fucked up. Even if you give him a mulligan on 14% unemployment and 265,000 businesses that went belly up during Covid, the fact is GDP Growth was under 3% for his first three years, and Shrank by 4% in 2020.

Covid, he couldn't have been more wrong about. Remember when he told people to inject bleach, or when he claimed it would go away by Easter?




Um, he's been charged, so no, you'd be wrong there.



That's fucking retarded and really, you don't know what you are talking about.



Except TRUMP ISN"T PRESIDENT, and the minute he left, he lost ANY authority to keep classified documents.

Wrong.

The pandemic would have only lasted 3 months if no one had "flattened the curve" as Fauci insisted.
Trumps plan was to ignore the epidemic for those under 40, and that would have cut the death toll by about a factor of 10. The high death toll and high economic impact all came from Fauci trying to wait for a vaccine that turned out not to work at all.

The race riots were due to the illegal racism by the state and local police.

Both impeachments not only failed to convict, but were clearly illegal and done by a corrupt congress.

All elections have some voter fraud. The 2000 election likely was invalid due to voter fraud. Computers used as voting machines clearly are voter fraud. We have all seen videos of bags of ballots being fraudulently dumped into drop boxes.
The attempt to delay election certification in 2020 was not at all illegal, but just foolish.

Almost all wars are inherently illegal since they commit murder, an absolute law.
All legal authority only comes from the inherent right of defense, so then war is only legal if necessary in order to defend someone.
Since the WMD lies about Iraq and the al Qaeda lies about Afghanistan were false, then no war was necessary, there was no one whose rights were protected by them, and those responsible for these lies were criminals.
But Shock and Awe was also in violation of the Geneva Conventions against attacking civilian infrastructure, so was a war crime.

I prefer to keep China as a trade partner, but clearly China is not our friend in the long run.
When Nixon opened the door to trade with China, China has been the winner and we have only been the loser.
China has taken over almost all of our technology, and we no longer even know how to make computers, TVs, cellphones, etc.
China dumps in the US below cost, just to prevent any US competition from being able to get started.
China owns a significant portion of US debt, and can then easily cause a US bankruptcy in the future.

It is a lie to claim Trump said "to inject bleach or something".
What he said was to ask if there was some way to make a disinfectant that could neutralize the virus chemically?
He is right that it should have been gone by Easter.
Herd immunity for an epidemic with this low lethality and reproduction rate of 2.0, should not have lasted longer than 3 months.
If you want to understand why it lasted longer, you have to understand that what ends all epidemics is herd immunity.
That is when the odds of the virus finding a new host to transfer to after 12 days, drops so low that the virus can no longer reproduce.
So by masking, what we did was to save easy hosts, who then could ensure there was always a new host available in order to keep the virus alive and reproducing.

And you are wrong about the classified doc laws.
When president, classified doc copies are given to thousands of people, like labs, allies, ambassadors, generals, etc.
They never have to give them back, and they never do.
So when a president gives himself copies, such as for their memoirs, presidential library, etc., they never have to give them back eithers.
That clearly is and has always been the law, so this prosecution is totally and absolutely criminal, intended only to illegally bias an election, and that really is treason.
 
Unless a president or VP authorized it.
But that is unlikely.
They must be stored in a secured location
The president I do not believe has the authority to give the ok to remove classified documents from their secured location unless they are being moved to another secured location. And from my memory it has to be done with at least two people when that happen. Called the no lone zone.
 
Can't assume is right, and that same assessment is to be extended to Trump just as well.
Wrong. 100% wrong. Trump.lied and stole and obstructed. So it can and will be assumed (and easily proven to a jury) the intent was nefarious, because his actions show it was.

How are you not getting this?
 
"Some say"?

Some say that America is fortunate to have professionally run agencies staffed by well-educated and trained people who are dedicated to the rule of law as fairly applied as is possible given the quantity, breadth, and scope of the laws they are sworn to enforce.

'It's two standards' 'It's unfair' 'My guy is being picked on'....yadda, yadda, yadda. Which is a complaint that perps and their supporters have been whining about since.....well, since probably America was founded.

The Daily Caller, The Federalist, the NYPost ????

That's mining the RWNJ media vein for material. No?

Do this, poster Batcat, prove it.
Instead of merely visiting an American social media site and having a hissyfit....grow up and show us.


Don't be an ineffective whiner and complainer. Your avatar will thank you.
Keep reading your wonderful liberal media like a good sheeple.

Think back to the bullshit they fed you about Trump colluding with Putin. You likely still believe he did.

The conservative media told me right from the start the Trump/Putin collusion story was just an attack by wet hen Hillary Clinton for Trump’s win which stop her coronation.

Note the date on this article from the conservative press…


 
Keep reading your wonderful liberal media like a good sheeple.

Think back to the bullshit they fed you about Trump colluding with Putin. You likely still believe he did.

The conservative media told me right from the start the Trump/Putin collusion story was just an attack by wet hen Hillary Clinton for Trump’s win which stop her coronation.

Note the date on this article from the conservative press…


Oh look, another verbose and pathetic whataboutism post, complete with links you didn't read.

Again.
 
Think back to the bullshit they fed you about Trump colluding with Putin. You likely still believe he did.

Believe?

Well, I believe the Russians did help Trump in 2016. And Trump and his enablers were willing to accept it and did not object and did not go to the authorities when questionable contacts were made.

Their hands were not clean. IMHO
 
"B-b-b-b-b-b-but Clinton!" "B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but Biden!" We've all heard these refrains from the Tu Quoque Brigade in every defense of Donald Trump's crimes.

So here's the difference with respect to the deliberate obstruction by Trump to keep classified documents.



Why Trump was charged on secret documents and Clinton, Pence were not



But the historic investigation into the former president was precipitated months earlier, in January 2022, when the former president gave 15 boxes of papers to the National Archives and Records Administration. The agency had been seeking all presidential records from Trump since he left office.

Inside the boxes, archivists found 197 classified documents, some extremely sensitive, the government alleged in court filings. That discovery set in motion the chain of events that led to the unsealing Friday of a 38-count indictment against Trump and Walt Nauta, a trusted servant.

Notably, however, the indictment does not charge Trump with the illegal retention of any of the 197 documents he returned to the archives.



If Trump had returned ALL the classified documents he took, as Biden, Pence, and Clinton had done, there would be no indictment.

It's as simple as that, folks.

Trump chose to hide several boxes of documents, some of which were classified, and that's why his ass is on fire now.

As for Clinton and her emails, what Trump said in private is VASTLY different than the bullshit he feeds to the rube herd:

But when discussing his own possible mishandling case last year, Trump seized on another facet of the Clinton probe: that attorneys for Clinton had reviewed more than 60,000 emails and turned over about 30,000 to government officials because they were deemed related to her official duties. Clinton’s lawyers deleted the rest, about 30,000 emails, after deeming them personal and unrelated to her work. It has long been standard practice in the federal government for officials to review their own correspondence in response to Freedom of Information Act requests and decide which of their emails are personal and therefore not turned over. In Clinton’s case, her lawyers did that for her.

As a candidate and president, Trump denounced the decision to delete the emails. In July 2016, he notoriously declared at a news conference: “Russia: if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”


When the grand jury subpoena for any classified documents arrived at his door, however, Trump expressed a very different view to his lawyer, according to the indictment, praising Clinton’s lawyer for deleting the 30,000 emails.


The Clinton lawyer, Trump allegedly said on May 23, 2022, “was the one who deleted all of her emails, the 30,000 emails, because they basically dealt with her scheduling and her going to the gym and her having beauty appointments. And he was great. And he, so she didn’t get in any trouble because he said that he was the one who deleted them.”

“Trump related the story more than once that day,” the indictment notes dryly.
OP never addressed why.
It’s a binary issue.
A classified document is held Legally

Yes
No
 

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