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I loath to state the obvious since I'm fearing you are simply gaslighting.Noticed how you kept using this "private citizen" Trump BS, when once a President, always a President, just in the former sense of the title. Try harder
No they didn't as is evident by them giving them back THE MOMENT they found they still had them in possession.So they didn't INTENT to possess the documents?
Right! It’s only a crime when Trump does it!! EXACTLY MY POINT!!No they didn't as is evident by them giving them back THE MOMENT they found they still had them in possession.
I'll make it easy on you. Find me one example, just one. Of anyone. In office or otherwise who was convicted under the Espionage Act for simply having classified documents? Since you guys insist that by itself is prosecuted, find me that case.
Wrong.
The polls had said he was going to win the election, and with his ego, he likely was unable to conceive of losing.
So then likely he was totally unprepared for losing, and had to hire movers to box things up quickly.
So it is VERY unlikely he had any idea what was in those boxes at Mar-a-Lago, and it was just his correct instinct to deny everything when called on it.
Remember, there were over 150 boxes, and all the classified docs would easily have fit into a single box.
No, I can imagine that his fanatics packed him for it, and he got rid of anyone who talked sense to him by that point.Could you imagine an overweight Trump actually being at all involved in packing those boxes?
Dumb white trash that votes against your own economic interest. We've been over that.what is it you think my “ilk” is?
And intent is the differenceTrump was hiding them. He even had his lawyer Christina Bobb swear under oath that the documents the National Archives issued a subpoena for, had all been turned over, which was NOT true. That explains why DOJ issued search warrant.
Nobody knew where the documents that Biden and Pence had were, not even Biden and Pence. Their existence was only discovered by doing a search. meaning that unlike Trump, they didn't know what they had, or where they had it. Their removal and retention was accidental, which means their was no intent.
Trump didn't simply " have documents". He kept them, lied about it, tried to hide them, and tried to get rid of the evidence to those actions.Right! It’s only a crime when Trump does it!! EXACTLY MY POINT!!
Possession is 9/10th of the law!*
*except if you’re a democrat
The pandemic would have only lasted 3 months if no one had "flattened the curve" as Fauci insisted.
Trumps plan was to ignore the epidemic for those under 40, and that would have cut the death toll by about a factor of 10. The high death toll and high economic impact all came from Fauci trying to wait for a vaccine that turned out not to work at all.
The race riots were due to the illegal racism by the state and local police.
Both impeachments not only failed to convict, but were clearly illegal and done by a corrupt congress.
All elections have some voter fraud. The 2000 election likely was invalid due to voter fraud. Computers used as voting machines clearly are voter fraud. We have all seen videos of bags of ballots being fraudulently dumped into drop boxes.
The attempt to delay election certification in 2020 was not at all illegal, but just foolish.
Almost all wars are inherently illegal since they commit murder, an absolute law.
All legal authority only comes from the inherent right of defense, so then war is only legal if necessary in order to defend someone.
Since the WMD lies about Iraq and the al Qaeda lies about Afghanistan were false, then no war was necessary, there was no one whose rights were protected by them, and those responsible for these lies were criminals.
But Shock and Awe was also in violation of the Geneva Conventions against attacking civilian infrastructure, so was a war crime.
I prefer to keep China as a trade partner, but clearly China is not our friend in the long run.
When Nixon opened the door to trade with China, China has been the winner and we have only been the loser.
China has taken over almost all of our technology, and we no longer even know how to make computers, TVs, cellphones, etc.
China dumps in the US below cost, just to prevent any US competition from being able to get started.
China owns a significant portion of US debt, and can then easily cause a US bankruptcy in the future.
It is a lie to claim Trump said "to inject bleach or something".
What he said was to ask if there was some way to make a disinfectant that could neutralize the virus chemically?
He is right that it should have been gone by Easter.
Herd immunity for an epidemic with this low lethality and reproduction rate of 2.0, should not have lasted longer than 3 months.
If you want to understand why it lasted longer, you have to understand that what ends all epidemics is herd immunity.
That is when the odds of the virus finding a new host to transfer to after 12 days, drops so low that the virus can no longer reproduce.
So by masking, what we did was to save easy hosts, who then could ensure there was always a new host available in order to keep the virus alive and reproducing.
And you are wrong about the classified doc laws.
When president, classified doc copies are given to thousands of people, like labs, allies, ambassadors, generals, etc.
They never have to give them back, and they never do.
So when a president gives himself copies, such as for their memoirs, presidential library, etc., they never have to give them back eithers.
That clearly is and has always been the law, so this prosecution is totally and absolutely criminal, intended only to illegally bias an election, and that really is treason.
Point out the shit Trump screwed up hurts your feelings?Total TDS response.
The subpoena was illegal to submit against Trump, just like the two failed impeachments were also illegal because they were political in nature or rather just outright corrupt in nature, and the nation knew exactly what was going on in it all. Only the Democrat's were trying to pull off their bull shite against a nation that elected Trump as their president. They are busted.
You probably shouldn't listen to idiots.Talk to Rigby5 about that, he seems to have a better idea of the classified documents protocols and such. It's where I drew my opinion from, otherwise if he's right about it.
For the sake of argument let's just assume those boxes got packed unintentionally. A hard sell, since he's on tape telling people he had classified documents that he didn't declassify. This still wouldn't get Trump of the hook in the slightest.Wrong.
The polls had said he was going to win the election, and with his ego, he likely was unable to conceive of losing.
So then likely he was totally unprepared for losing, and had to hire movers to box things up quickly.
So it is VERY unlikely he had any idea what was in those boxes at Mar-a-Lago, and it was just his correct instinct to deny everything when called on it.
Remember, there were over 150 boxes, and all the classified docs would easily have fit into a single box.
Could you imagine an overweight Trump actually being at all involved in packing those boxes?
Yes, it is.That’s not the issue.
You're FOS.The issue is, he was not legally authorized to remove them from their secure place. The issue is that he had these documents for 30 years and nobody cared.
Trump leaves office for 2 weeks and Nara is banging down his door.
Prosecutors say Trump tried to obstruct the FBI and grand jury investigations by furnishing only some of the subpoenaed documents, even as he said he was cooperating with the grand jury's demand.There is a double standard. If both people broke the law, then why is only one being prosecuted.
Yes, he was.Also, let’s talk about “he returned them when asked”. I assure you, it wasn’t because he was being proactive when he returned them.
So?He had 30 years to do that.
The first thing you got right.More than likely, he never had any intention of returning them, and probably never would have, if not for all of this blowing up around trump.
All I’m asking is for you lefty’s told hold yourself to the same standard as you do for the right.
Likely, they never knew or overlooked it, just like Pence's documents.Uh huh..and why didn’t Nara bang on bidens door 30years ago?
I’d be pretty sure Biden intentionally removed those documents from the scif, and likely intentionally never returned them until trump came under scrutiny.
Your ignorance is astounding, but it's understood since you are a disingenuous leftist that decided to join in with the get Trump crowd. That post didn't address my post at all. You are the gaslighter here.I loath to state the obvious since I'm fearing you are simply gaslighting.
The whole premise of the founding of the country is based on the idea of electing leaders who serve for a time after which the become normal citizens again. The idea that a person can be elected to the presidency and retain protections from compliance with laws is precisely why the founding fathers revolted.
So again what law exactly do you base this kind of immunity on?
What is there to adress? Your assertion that because a FORMER president still sometimes gets referred to as Mr. President he still has the same protections as THE president.Your ignorance is astounding, but it's understood since you are a disingenuous leftist that decided to join in with the get Trump crowd. That post didn't address my post at all. You are the gaslighter here.
In part because of the nature of the documents. Documents that are merely classified "confidential" or even "secret" can be had by anyone cleared to read them. But the documents Trump had were either TS TS/SCI or known PRA materials, like the Kim Jong Un letter. They were recorded as withdrawn for use by the President, and not returned.
Probably because no one, including Biden himself, realized he still had them.
Because executive staff workers saw him and his boys stuff these documents into boxes as they were packing up, ignoring statements that they weren't to go with him.
I am applying the same standard.
Biden complied with the rules upon discovery of these documents.
So did Pence.
So did Hillary.
Trump deliberately defied the Archives attempts to retrieve and preserve these records.
Trump didn't simply " have documents". He kept them, lied about it, tried to hide them, and tried to get rid of the evidence to those actions.
To use your and my analogy. You are saying he just ran a red light. While failing to mention he did so in a getaway car escaping from a bank robbery where he killed a hostage.
I'll put it like this. Trump wouldn't have been charged if he simply would have complied with the PRA. He didn't.
He still wouldn't have been charged if he simply would have given the documents back when the DOJ first got involved. He didn't.
He still wouldn't have been charged if he would have given them back under subpoena. He didn't.
Thinking Trump somehow got unfairly prosecuted is either bad faith, or a complete lack of knowledge of the events.
You are the one hoping and dreaming to change protocol to fit your nefarious narrative. Trump will be referred to as President the rest of his life, and he'll have the secret service detail to go along with it. Now go be stupid somewhere else already.What is there to adress? Your assertion that because a FORMER president still sometimes gets referred to as Mr. President he still has the same protections as THE president.
If you don't acknowledge how utterly ridiculous that notion is you are either gaslighting or stupid. Your pick.
Lol, gaslighting it is. What a person is referred to, and what type of protection he gets, is absolutely irrelevant to what someone's legal status is. The office of the President of the United States is executed by one person at a time. With it come certain legal protections for the duration of the term of president. Those protections are simply invalid after. That is the truth.You are the one hoping and dreaming to change protocol to fit your nefarious narrative. Trump will be referred to as President the rest of his life, and he'll have the secret service detail to go along with it. Now go be stupid somewhere else already.
Ok, then Trump is protected, because all the bull shite they are trying to get him on, was when he was president or as he was vacating the post, so go pound sand dummy.Lol, gaslighting it is. What a person is referred to, and what type of protection he gets, is absolutely irrelevant to what someone's legal status is. The office of the President of the United States is executed by one person at a time. With it come certain legal protections for the duration of the term of president. Those protections are simply invalid after. That is the truth.
