Zone1 Why was Jesus crucified?

[irosie91]

can you keep up ... jesus -

and those willing to perish for liberation theology, self determination - than the liar moses, who their mother was and servitude to a father figure.

though their efforts were again stymied in the 4th century by the crucifiers that wrote the c-bible - not withstanding the demise of judaism.

- and today to bring to justice the crucifiers once and for all for the true heavenly religion granted a&e for their journey will again lead to the path when accomplished - for remission to paradise, the original goal.

Breezie ----stop putting words in the mouth of the innocent Galilean

 

[irosie91]

Thanks-----interesting but not a full or satisfying meal-----many glitches. Now for reality.
Hillel was quoted very accurately and unchanged by Jesus----of course then all kinds of stuff
underwent Council of Nicea editing. AS to "The entire New Testament was penned and collected by 100 AD" oh yeah?-----WHAT DID THEY DO WITH IT and what happened to corroborating writings? As to Confucius -----how about Beowulf? Did Jesus have the aramaic
translations?

Mr JohnD8 responded to my very FACTUAL post with a FAKE NEWS ASSERTION---
how pathetic-----try to be specific----what do you find FAKE----and while you are
at it------please post up the quotations that Jesus presented from Confucius ---please
use the original language---Jesus was a talmudist and would not cite a translation

 

[BreezeWood]

Breezie ----stop putting words in the mouth of the innocent Galilean

and those willing to perish for liberation theology, self determination - than the liar moses, who their mother was and servitude to a father figure.

though their efforts were again stymied in the 4th century by the crucifiers that wrote the c-bible - not withstanding the demise of judaism.

how pathetic-----try to be specific----

history, both written and oral when properly interpreted clearly records the repudiation of judaism by jesus as their mission and that of the original religion from the beginning reestablished to take its rightful place.

as much as they try, and if for only that location the jews can not conceal those who after the crucifixion also willingly gave their lives for something other than the prevailing conditions, judaism that did spread across the roman empire.

 

[irosie91]

history, both written and oral when properly interpreted clearly records the repudiation of judaism by jesus as their mission and that of the original religion from the beginning reestablished to take its rightful place.

as much as they try, and if for only that location the jews can not conceal those who after the crucifixion also willingly gave their lives for something other than the prevailing conditions, judaism that did spread across the roman empire.

I missed it----when and where and how did that repudiation take place?

 

[BreezeWood]

I missed it----when and where and how did that repudiation take place?

the events of the 1st century, the desperate jews made manifest by their demise the crucifixion of the innocent galilean, jesus. and those others that gave their lives the same for liberation theology, self determination. those few still to this day.

 

[irosie91]

the events of the 1st century, the desperate jews made manifest by their demise the crucifixion of the innocent galilean, jesus. and those others that gave their lives the same for liberation theology, self determination. those few still to this day.

try again, mr. breezie-----your statement makes no sense----' the jews were desperate
and died and THUS caused Jesus to be crucified ' or more specifically---' by being placed
in a desperate state----the jews, somehow, created the Roman program of crucifixion of
Pharisees. ' Your statement mirrors the islamo nazi propaganda that I read as a child
in the 1950's which alleges that jews force their persecution. The conclusion,
therefore, is that both the Crucifying Romans and GENOCIDAL Nazis are just cooperating
with the JEWISH AGENDA by FORCE. DA JOOOS MADE THEM DO IT

 

[07-07-07]

Jesus' suffering was written 700 years before it happened by the Jewish prophet Isaiah. It's astounding.

Isaiah 7
[3] He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
[4] Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

 

[surada]

Jesus' suffering was written 700 years before it happened by the Jewish prophet Isaiah. It's astounding.

Isaiah 7
[3] He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
[4] Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah never mentions Jesus . He's referring to God's servant Israel.

 

[Likkmee]

This is in response to the thread about why Jews reject Jesus as Messiah

Answer this question and you get your answer to the other thread.

After all, the rejection of Jesus by the Jewish leaders of the time of Jesus is why he was rejected by Jews today.

He was a poor businessman.

 

[07-07-07]

Isaiah never mentions Jesus . He's referring to God's servant Israel.

The Scriptures are clearly speaking of a person, not a nation. That person is Jesus the Messiah (Christ).

Isaiah 7
[3] He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we [the Jewish people] hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
[4] Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

 

[07-07-07]

This was written by the prophet Micah about 700 years before Jesus' birth in Bethlehem. Jesus was of the lineage of the tribe of Judah. Astounding.

Micah 5
[2] But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

 

[surada]

The Scriptures are clearly speaking of a person, not a nation. That person is Jesus the Messiah (Christ).

Isaiah 7
[3] He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we [the Jewish people] hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
[4] Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Nope. All the way through Isaiah Israel is the servant, the son that God loves.

 

[rosends]

The Scriptures are clearly speaking of a person, not a nation. That person is Jesus the Messiah (Christ).

Isaiah 7
[3] He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we [the Jewish people] hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
[4] Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Except that if you follow the pronouns and nouns you will see that your interpretation is way off. The "we" is not the people, it is the foreign kings who are reacting to what they have seen regarding the nation of Israel. I can diagram all the pronouns for you if you would like.

 

[BreezeWood]

the events of the 1st century, the desperate jews made manifest by their demise the crucifixion of the innocent galilean, jesus. and those others that gave their lives the same for liberation theology, self determination.

try again, mr. breezie-----your statement makes no sense----' the jews were desperate
and died and THUS caused Jesus to be crucified ' or more specifically---' by being placed
in a desperate state----the jews, somehow, created the Roman program of crucifixion of
Pharisees. ' Your statement mirrors the islamo nazi propaganda that I read as a child
in the 1950's which alleges that jews force their persecution. The conclusion,
therefore, is that both the Crucifying Romans and GENOCIDAL Nazis are just cooperating
with the JEWISH AGENDA by FORCE. DA JOOOS MADE THEM DO IT

Your statement mirrors the islamo nazi propaganda that I read as a child
in the 1950's which alleges that jews force their persecution.

you keep referring to - nazi - in fact "all of europe" were invested in the circumstances you keep referencing ... for a reaction to nothing new, truth be told - hereditary idolatry / apartheid heaven - the lies of moses.

and from those events of the 1st century the jews so chose to then crucify who they claimed was their assailant. cry a river for the jews - ir-91

jesus taught the truth - the heavens are for everyone - no one was ever chosen and who believe they are have no reason to refer their beliefs as a heavenly religion.

- prove otherwise.

 

[BreezeWood]

whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

- the heavenly religion of antiquity granted a&e as they set forth on their journey for remission to paradise.

 

[irosie91]

you keep referring to - nazi - in fact "all of europe" were invested in the circumstances you keep referencing ... for a reaction to nothing new, truth be told - hereditary idolatry / apartheid heaven - the lies of moses.

and from those events of the 1st century the jews so chose to then crucify who they claimed was their assailant. cry a river for the jews - ir-91

jesus taught the truth - the heavens are for everyone - no one was ever chosen and who believe they are have no reason to refer their beliefs as a heavenly religion.

- prove otherwise.

your theory is ludicrous. Jesus quoted Hillel -----Like all the other
Pharisees of his time

 

[rosends]

surada
In this post, I go through 52 (end) and into 53 and summarize each line, carefully explaining the pronouns

Jesus as an antithesis to Passover

Imagine reading a book from the beginning to the end. Hah! Only a Jew would do that! Imagine stopping the reading of the Bible at the end of the Tanakh. Only a Jew would do that.

www.religiousforums.com

 

[surada]

surada
In this post, I go through 52 (end) and into 53 and summarize each line, carefully explaining the pronouns

Jesus as an antithesis to Passover

Imagine reading a book from the beginning to the end. Hah! Only a Jew would do that! Imagine stopping the reading of the Bible at the end of the Tanakh. Only a Jew would do that.

www.religiousforums.com

Thanks. It's difficult. I will read it again.

 

[BreezeWood]

your theory is ludicrous. Jesus quoted Hillel -----Like all the other
Pharisees of his time

were that even true - hillel would never by their own logic endow themself with the jewish - hereditary idolatry or a heavenly apartheid for the jews -

nor europe, ever - or anyone or place on planet earth than a desert quagmire known as - israel.

 

[irosie91]

were that even true - hillel would never by their own logic endow themself with the jewish - hereditary idolatry or a heavenly apartheid for the jews -

nor europe, ever - or anyone or place on planet earth than a desert quagmire known as - israel.

thanks for your "input" breezie