Why we love Trump....

[eddiew37]

Hows this smear you pompous ass correll?;

You lefties falsely paint Trump as a racist for saying the same thing you lefties said for a year, and then you paint his supporters as being racist for supporting him as though your lie was true.


Your pretense that you don't know how this works, is noted and dismissed.


You might be stupid, but you are not that fucking stupid.

Wow. So you're down to "some guy said so"?


Eddie posted a, for what passes for you libs, a serious example of Trump's "racism" and I crushed it.


I note that you didn't even try to save it.


You people smear good people with vile accusations, because you are the bad guys.

How many years have you wasted Mr good people correll?

None. My point stands, since you failed to refute it, and have given up on even addressing it.



You people smear good people with vile accusations, because you are the bad guys.

Where did I say Trump was a racist? So do you think Trump is a good president? I mean smart, persuasive, educated and so on? If so, that is your opinion and I have mine. Did you vote for Trump?

Eddie said racist. You said worse.


Trump a good president?

Well his challenging of Political Correctness is a very valuable contribution to society. His immigration policy despite being hampered by the courts is showing encouraging signs.


But overall, way to early to say.


"Smart?" Obviously. Remember how they laughed at him for even trying to flip Michigan?

Retired general launches remarkable attack on Donald Trump: 'I have wasted 40 years of my life'
how many years have you wasted mr good guy correll?

Yeah, I saw that. HIs unsupported opinion has already been noted and dismissed.


If he made a valid point in there somewhere you are welcome to post it.


Otherwise fuck him.

Look Correll remember Clinton lying under oath?? Not wanting to admit what he did to the world?? Well IMO you and most other republicans are as racist as trump is BUT of course you can't admit it That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it And you dismiss the general but support the vile trump ?? WTF is wrong with you?

You are sticking to an opinion that you can't support and when you tried I crushed your best example with ease.


THat makes your accusations unsupported and unfair smears.


And that you are comfortable smearing good people without cause, makes you the one with something wrong with you.

Trump is good people??
Ripping off 1000's the pat 30 years
Donald Trump Will See You in Court - Bloomberg
Donald Trump Will See You in Court
6 days ago - He claims he never gets sued. These 203 cases show who sues Trump, who Trump sues, and why.[/QUOTE]


Your words, bad person.



"IMO you and most other republicans are as racist as trump is "



And that you are comfortable smearing good people without cause, makes you the one with something wrong with you.[/QUOTE]

Hayden is no hack
I've heard some searing comments against Trump by partisans, but this surprises me. I know that Hayden is not a hack. And a few days ago I saw an interview of Ken Follett, who wrote a series of 3 in-depth books about the 20th century focusing on England, Russia and America, and the lead-up to and thru the world wars. He also shocked me when he said Trump gave stupid people what they want to hear. Could that be you correll?

It also bothers me that if anything happens to remove Trump, we are left with Pence, a pompous fundie.

 

[Boss]

and the orange anus's big fat beautiful tax cut for billionaires is in doubt....Still a few smart folks in congress I hope

Yeah, well, your "tax cuts for billionaires" argument was shot down on the previous page. We don't tax billionaires because we don't tax based on wealth in this country. So you're going to have to find dumber people to sell that line to. Sorry!

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

 

[Correll]

You lefties falsely paint Trump as a racist for saying the same thing you lefties said for a year, and then you paint his supporters as being racist for supporting him as though your lie was true.


Your pretense that you don't know how this works, is noted and dismissed.


You might be stupid, but you are not that fucking stupid.






How many years have you wasted Mr good people correll?

None. My point stands, since you failed to refute it, and have given up on even addressing it.



You people smear good people with vile accusations, because you are the bad guys.

Eddie said racist. You said worse.


Trump a good president?

Well his challenging of Political Correctness is a very valuable contribution to society. His immigration policy despite being hampered by the courts is showing encouraging signs.


But overall, way to early to say.


"Smart?" Obviously. Remember how they laughed at him for even trying to flip Michigan?

Retired general launches remarkable attack on Donald Trump: 'I have wasted 40 years of my life'
how many years have you wasted mr good guy correll?

Yeah, I saw that. HIs unsupported opinion has already been noted and dismissed.


If he made a valid point in there somewhere you are welcome to post it.


Otherwise fuck him.

Look Correll remember Clinton lying under oath?? Not wanting to admit what he did to the world?? Well IMO you and most other republicans are as racist as trump is BUT of course you can't admit it That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it And you dismiss the general but support the vile trump ?? WTF is wrong with you?

You are sticking to an opinion that you can't support and when you tried I crushed your best example with ease.


THat makes your accusations unsupported and unfair smears.


And that you are comfortable smearing good people without cause, makes you the one with something wrong with you.

Trump is good people??
Ripping off 1000's the pat 30 years
Donald Trump Will See You in Court - Bloomberg
Donald Trump Will See You in Court
6 days ago - He claims he never gets sued. These 203 cases show who sues Trump, who Trump sues, and why.

Your words, bad person.



"IMO you and most other republicans are as racist as trump is "



And that you are comfortable smearing good people without cause, makes you the one with something wrong with you.[/QUOTE]

Hayden is no hack
I've heard some searing comments against Trump by partisans, but this surprises me. I know that Hayden is not a hack. And a few days ago I saw an interview of Ken Follett, who wrote a series of 3 in-depth books about the 20th century focusing on England, Russia and America, and the lead-up to and thru the world wars. He also shocked me when he said Trump gave stupid people what they want to hear. Could that be you correll?

It also bothers me that if anything happens to remove Trump, we are left with Pence, a pompous fundie.[/QUOTE]




You seem to have dropped your "racist" line of attack and have moved on to "telling stupid people what they want to hear".



Do you know what you call it when you refuse to admit that you were wrong about an accusation you can't support and just throw out another one, all the while planning to come back to the one you can't support?


I know it's a form of Logical Fallacy but I forget which one.


It also means you are an asshole. And you are still a bad person for smearing good people.

 

[AntonToo]

I love Trump for the way he is demolishing the Republican party and deeply fracturing the conservatism.

 

[bendog]

None. My point stands, since you failed to refute it, and have given up on even addressing it.



You people smear good people with vile accusations, because you are the bad guys.





Retired general launches remarkable attack on Donald Trump: 'I have wasted 40 years of my life'
how many years have you wasted mr good guy correll?

Yeah, I saw that. HIs unsupported opinion has already been noted and dismissed.


If he made a valid point in there somewhere you are welcome to post it.


Otherwise fuck him.

Look Correll remember Clinton lying under oath?? Not wanting to admit what he did to the world?? Well IMO you and most other republicans are as racist as trump is BUT of course you can't admit it That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it And you dismiss the general but support the vile trump ?? WTF is wrong with you?

You are sticking to an opinion that you can't support and when you tried I crushed your best example with ease.


THat makes your accusations unsupported and unfair smears.


And that you are comfortable smearing good people without cause, makes you the one with something wrong with you.

Trump is good people??
Ripping off 1000's the pat 30 years
Donald Trump Will See You in Court - Bloomberg
Donald Trump Will See You in Court
6 days ago - He claims he never gets sued. These 203 cases show who sues Trump, who Trump sues, and why.

Your words, bad person.



"IMO you and most other republicans are as racist as trump is "



And that you are comfortable smearing good people without cause, makes you the one with something wrong with you.

Hayden is no hack
I've heard some searing comments against Trump by partisans, but this surprises me. I know that Hayden is not a hack. And a few days ago I saw an interview of Ken Follett, who wrote a series of 3 in-depth books about the 20th century focusing on England, Russia and America, and the lead-up to and thru the world wars. He also shocked me when he said Trump gave stupid people what they want to hear. Could that be you correll?

It also bothers me that if anything happens to remove Trump, we are left with Pence, a pompous fundie.[/QUOTE]




You seem to have dropped your "racist" line of attack and have moved on to "telling stupid people what they want to hear".



Do you know what you call it when you refuse to admit that you were wrong about an accusation you can't support and just throw out another one, all the while planning to come back to the one you can't support?


I know it's a form of Logical Fallacy but I forget which one.


It also means you are an asshole. And you are still a bad person for smearing good people.[/QUOTE]

Well, the point is: Is Trump fundamentally a decent person? On the Nixon tapes, there was an exchange between Nixon and Kissinger, where Nixon asked Kissinger's impression of Reagan. Kissinger said something like "well, he seems to be a decent person." Nixon responded along the lines "well of course, nobody said he doesn't love his family, but isn't he an intellectual lightweight in foreign policy....." I think America lost sight of the need for a president having a moral center when we elected Slick. Hopefully we'll regain it.

 

[eddiew37]

and the orange anus's big fat beautiful tax cut for billionaires is in doubt....Still a few smart folks in congress I hope

Yeah, well, your "tax cuts for billionaires" argument was shot down on the previous page. We don't tax billionaires because we don't tax based on wealth in this country. So you're going to have to find dumber people to sell that line to. Sorry!

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

Boss I completely understand what you say about income I'm far from jealous or envious of others being quite wealthy myself.....but when folks are starving even while working a couple of jobs something is wrong with the system Can you at least agree the wealth of those million and billionaires have increased greatly while the rest of the "suckers" stay in the same place?

 

[eddiew37]

None. My point stands, since you failed to refute it, and have given up on even addressing it.



You people smear good people with vile accusations, because you are the bad guys.





Retired general launches remarkable attack on Donald Trump: 'I have wasted 40 years of my life'
how many years have you wasted mr good guy correll?

Yeah, I saw that. HIs unsupported opinion has already been noted and dismissed.


If he made a valid point in there somewhere you are welcome to post it.


Otherwise fuck him.

Look Correll remember Clinton lying under oath?? Not wanting to admit what he did to the world?? Well IMO you and most other republicans are as racist as trump is BUT of course you can't admit it That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it And you dismiss the general but support the vile trump ?? WTF is wrong with you?

You are sticking to an opinion that you can't support and when you tried I crushed your best example with ease.


THat makes your accusations unsupported and unfair smears.


And that you are comfortable smearing good people without cause, makes you the one with something wrong with you.

Trump is good people??
Ripping off 1000's the pat 30 years
Donald Trump Will See You in Court - Bloomberg
Donald Trump Will See You in Court
6 days ago - He claims he never gets sued. These 203 cases show who sues Trump, who Trump sues, and why.

Your words, bad person.



"IMO you and most other republicans are as racist as trump is "



And that you are comfortable smearing good people without cause, makes you the one with something wrong with you.

Hayden is no hack
I've heard some searing comments against Trump by partisans, but this surprises me. I know that Hayden is not a hack. And a few days ago I saw an interview of Ken Follett, who wrote a series of 3 in-depth books about the 20th century focusing on England, Russia and America, and the lead-up to and thru the world wars. He also shocked me when he said Trump gave stupid people what they want to hear. Could that be you correll?

It also bothers me that if anything happens to remove Trump, we are left with Pence, a pompous fundie.[/QUOTE]




You seem to have dropped your "racist" line of attack and have moved on to "telling stupid people what they want to hear".



Do you know what you call it when you refuse to admit that you were wrong about an accusation you can't support and just throw out another one, all the while planning to come back to the one you can't support?


I know it's a form of Logical Fallacy but I forget which one.


It also means you are an asshole. And you are still a bad person for smearing good people.[/QUOTE]
LOL morons like you are far from being good people You're known by the friends you keep You support a racist asshole and are proud of it Guess what that makes you?

 

[EverCurious]

and the orange anus's big fat beautiful tax cut for billionaires is in doubt....Still a few smart folks in congress I hope

Yeah, well, your "tax cuts for billionaires" argument was shot down on the previous page. We don't tax billionaires because we don't tax based on wealth in this country. So you're going to have to find dumber people to sell that line to. Sorry!

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

Boss I completely understand what you say about income I'm far from jealous or envious of others being quite wealthy myself.....but when folks are starving even while working a couple of jobs something is wrong with the system Can you at least agree the wealth of those million and billionaires have increased greatly while the rest of the "suckers" stay in the same place?

ME making money on wise investments has zip zero fucking zilch to do with jack and jill dropping out of HS and working min wage jobs to support their kids on...

That is the difference between /wise decisions/ vs /stupid decisions/ nothing more:

The /wise/ decision is to wait to have a kid until you can pay for it's diapers and food.

The /stupid/ decision is to be impatient and get saddled with massive rent, a car payment (or two), a big cell phone bill (or two), and then toss in a kid or two while you're working min wage jobs.

Simple shit, but ya'll conflate this logic with "feels" - problem is that feels ain't so bright, in fact that's typically how you end up with kids when you can't afford them...

 

[rightwinger]

I love Trump for the way he is demolishing the Republican party and deeply fracturing the conservatism.

The Democrats would not have a prayer of retaking the House or Senate if Trump was not President

 

[bendog]

and the orange anus's big fat beautiful tax cut for billionaires is in doubt....Still a few smart folks in congress I hope

Yeah, well, your "tax cuts for billionaires" argument was shot down on the previous page. We don't tax billionaires because we don't tax based on wealth in this country. So you're going to have to find dumber people to sell that line to. Sorry!

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

Boss I completely understand what you say about income I'm far from jealous or envious of others being quite wealthy myself.....but when folks are starving even while working a couple of jobs something is wrong with the system Can you at least agree the wealth of those million and billionaires have increased greatly while the rest of the "suckers" stay in the same place?

ME making money on wise investments has zip zero fucking zilch to do with jack and jill dropping out of HS and working min wage jobs to support their kids on...

That is the difference between /wise decisions/ vs /stupid decisions/ nothing more:

The /wise/ decision is to wait to have a kid until you can pay for it's diapers and food.

The /stupid/ decision is to be impatient and get saddled with massive rent, a car payment (or two), a big cell phone bill (or two), and then toss in a kid or two while you're working min wage jobs.

Simple shit, but ya'll conflate this logic with "feels" - problem is that feels ain't so bright, in fact that's typically how you end up with kids when you can't afford them...

In a capitalistic economy there are always workers with the fewest skills, and there are jobs that require few skills. And there is no way one can define "good" choices without there also being "bad" choices. But if people are willing to work and try to support their families, America has stood for making sure jobs pay enough for families to believe children can have better lives.

it seems to me the question is whether Trump represents something new in terms of "expectations."

 

[eddiew37]

and the orange anus's big fat beautiful tax cut for billionaires is in doubt....Still a few smart folks in congress I hope

Yeah, well, your "tax cuts for billionaires" argument was shot down on the previous page. We don't tax billionaires because we don't tax based on wealth in this country. So you're going to have to find dumber people to sell that line to. Sorry!

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

Boss I completely understand what you say about income I'm far from jealous or envious of others being quite wealthy myself.....but when folks are starving even while working a couple of jobs something is wrong with the system Can you at least agree the wealth of those million and billionaires have increased greatly while the rest of the "suckers" stay in the same place?

ME making money on wise investments has zip zero fucking zilch to do with jack and jill dropping out of HS and working min wage jobs to support their kids on...

That is the difference between /wise decisions/ vs /stupid decisions/ nothing more:

The /wise/ decision is to wait to have a kid until you can pay for it's diapers and food.

The /stupid/ decision is to be impatient and get saddled with massive rent, a car payment (or two), a big cell phone bill (or two), and then toss in a kid or two while you're working min wage jobs.

Simple shit, but ya'll conflate this logic with "feels" - problem is that feels ain't so bright, in fact that's typically how you end up with kids when you can't afford them...

Good thing daddy gave trump a few million to start off ,,,Born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple

 

[EverCurious]

Yeah, well, your "tax cuts for billionaires" argument was shot down on the previous page. We don't tax billionaires because we don't tax based on wealth in this country. So you're going to have to find dumber people to sell that line to. Sorry!

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

Boss I completely understand what you say about income I'm far from jealous or envious of others being quite wealthy myself.....but when folks are starving even while working a couple of jobs something is wrong with the system Can you at least agree the wealth of those million and billionaires have increased greatly while the rest of the "suckers" stay in the same place?

ME making money on wise investments has zip zero fucking zilch to do with jack and jill dropping out of HS and working min wage jobs to support their kids on...

That is the difference between /wise decisions/ vs /stupid decisions/ nothing more:

The /wise/ decision is to wait to have a kid until you can pay for it's diapers and food.

The /stupid/ decision is to be impatient and get saddled with massive rent, a car payment (or two), a big cell phone bill (or two), and then toss in a kid or two while you're working min wage jobs.

Simple shit, but ya'll conflate this logic with "feels" - problem is that feels ain't so bright, in fact that's typically how you end up with kids when you can't afford them...

In a capitalistic economy there are always workers with the fewest skills, and there are jobs that require few skills. And there is no way one can define "good" choices without there also being "bad" choices. But if people are willing to work and try to support their families, America has stood for making sure jobs pay enough for families to believe children can have better lives.

it seems to me the question is whether Trump represents something new in terms of "expectations."

No. America has always stood for 'opportunity' - that is not the same as just handing people a "good life."

Look, I agree to a point; I didn't want "better" for my kids, but I wanted them to have a "good life" - so I taught them to stay in school, to wait to have children, to pursue "wealth" not specifically "money" itself but a "comfortable" financial standing [stuff like budgeting, when to buy a house or car, investing, financial independence, retirement, etc.] I instilled within them a "drive" for "betterment" in their finances/their 'status' (apartment to house, being able to get cars, snow machines, boats, saving for their kids expenses and college, etc.)

I also told them about reality; that /they/ were responsible for achieving /all/ of that stuff for themselves and their wives and kids because it wasn't anyone else's responsibility. And the second part of that "reality" is that if you /do/ let (or expect) others to 'provide' for you, then you'll /never/ achieve shit; you'll have the bare minimum for survival (if you're lucky) because there are more hands looking for freebies then there will ever be money given out - hard facts of life. My kids, unlike the recent socialist crops out there, know damn well that if they want a "good life" they have to work for it, they know it's not going to just land in their lap, they know it's probably going to take some time and effort, they understand /patience/ - turtle and the hare kind of shit. My eldest sons, in their early 20s, are all well on their way to being wealthy, or at a minimum very comfortably happy, already. Not one of them has kids, not even the 30 year old daughter, they're /all/ waiting until they've got their own shit straight before they drag kids into it.

It has /nothing/ to do with how much /I/ (the wealthy) make, it has to do with the individual's drive to succeed, where they are putting their efforts - if you're more concerned about social media/partying/showing up your friends (new car, phone, whatever)/or even playing at political activism, than you are about advancing your own life (through your career and financial status) then your priorities are not going to give you a "good life" - they'll give you the bare minimum (if you're lucky) - because that's what level of /effort/ you're putting into your financial standing and your own future. Again, wise decisions vs stupid decisions.

That's the rub you bleeding heart SJW's need to understand; you cannot /make/ someone put in effort to better their own lives, only they can do that. It doesn't matter how much money you throw at a "user" they are not going to magically turn into an "achiever" until /they/ decide to. All you do by handing out "free" money (welfare) is prolong the time these types can "use" instead of "achieving" for themselves.

When you raise the min wage, businesses will /not/ eat the cost, never will, they pass those costs onto consumers period. Businesses have "rules" too, like not living pay check to pay check - they cannot ever do that, ever - which is why they have built in "profit margins" that they will /always/ meet, because not doing so means they go bankrupt - seriously. So, if you raise the minimum wage, so the cost of their employees goes up, they have exactly two choices. 1) they lay employees off, stop hiring, etc. or 2) they increase prices to cover that cost. Typically you'll see 2, and especially at the end of a recession like we've been in, because businesses have already streamlined their employee numbers as much as they can. So they raise the prices, which means, the cost of living goes up and wipes out the min wage increase. It's a cycle and there is /nothing/ you can do about it. Whining about being "fair" isn't going to change the hard reality that businesses MUST have a certain profit margin or they go under, it is not going to change the fact that businesses are going to "reallocate" the new "expenses" of employee wage increases.

No matter how much sympathy you want to have for "poor folk" who "need help" a business is /not/ there to help, they are there to make money, period. You cannot change that, the best you can do is harness that known reality - unleash the dogs and let them grow so they hire more people; more jobs, more upward mobility for the employees, the more upward mobility for the employees there is, the more folks are getting financially "comfortable" That is the best you can hope for from businesses when it comes down to it.

 

[Reasonable]

Why we love trump.....
Because he’s as much a pathological liar as you are?
Because he expouses the same white supremacist ideology as you have?

 

[Reasonable]

Yeah, well, your "tax cuts for billionaires" argument was shot down on the previous page. We don't tax billionaires because we don't tax based on wealth in this country. So you're going to have to find dumber people to sell that line to. Sorry!

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

Boss I completely understand what you say about income I'm far from jealous or envious of others being quite wealthy myself.....but when folks are starving even while working a couple of jobs something is wrong with the system Can you at least agree the wealth of those million and billionaires have increased greatly while the rest of the "suckers" stay in the same place?

ME making money on wise investments has zip zero fucking zilch to do with jack and jill dropping out of HS and working min wage jobs to support their kids on...

That is the difference between /wise decisions/ vs /stupid decisions/ nothing more:

The /wise/ decision is to wait to have a kid until you can pay for it's diapers and food.

The /stupid/ decision is to be impatient and get saddled with massive rent, a car payment (or two), a big cell phone bill (or two), and then toss in a kid or two while you're working min wage jobs.

Simple shit, but ya'll conflate this logic with "feels" - problem is that feels ain't so bright, in fact that's typically how you end up with kids when you can't afford them...

Good thing daddy gave trump a few million to start off ,,,Born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple

 

[Reasonable]

IT's proven in several demographic studies Trump voters are uneducated & white ... so yeah, dems are smarter.SUCKER.

Funny how we can take any data set and twist it to give the result we want. What was actually shown in the demographic studies was that Trump voters tended to live away from big cities, where there is far less media and advertising so people are usually left to form their own independent opinions based on the facts they gather, whereas Hillary voters were far, far more likely to live around big cities, usually democratic strongholds with a massive media and advertising reach where it is far easier to shape public opinion, thus making them more easily controlled. If you choose to think that makes them smarter, that is your choice, never mind that thinking you are smarter is one of the things Big City Dems preach to their own. If you really think everyone in all the red areas is stupid and white, then not only can't you be very smart, but that sounds like you are pretty racist as well.

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Rednecks watch FoxNews

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I watch Fox News for a few minutes once in awhile when I need a good laugh.

 

[bendog]

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

Boss I completely understand what you say about income I'm far from jealous or envious of others being quite wealthy myself.....but when folks are starving even while working a couple of jobs something is wrong with the system Can you at least agree the wealth of those million and billionaires have increased greatly while the rest of the "suckers" stay in the same place?

ME making money on wise investments has zip zero fucking zilch to do with jack and jill dropping out of HS and working min wage jobs to support their kids on...

That is the difference between /wise decisions/ vs /stupid decisions/ nothing more:

The /wise/ decision is to wait to have a kid until you can pay for it's diapers and food.

The /stupid/ decision is to be impatient and get saddled with massive rent, a car payment (or two), a big cell phone bill (or two), and then toss in a kid or two while you're working min wage jobs.

Simple shit, but ya'll conflate this logic with "feels" - problem is that feels ain't so bright, in fact that's typically how you end up with kids when you can't afford them...

In a capitalistic economy there are always workers with the fewest skills, and there are jobs that require few skills. And there is no way one can define "good" choices without there also being "bad" choices. But if people are willing to work and try to support their families, America has stood for making sure jobs pay enough for families to believe children can have better lives.

it seems to me the question is whether Trump represents something new in terms of "expectations."

No. America has always stood for 'opportunity' - that is not the same as just handing people a "good life."

Look, I agree to a point; I didn't want "better" for my kids, but I wanted them to have a "good life" - so I taught them to stay in school, to wait to have children, to pursue "wealth" not specifically "money" itself but a "comfortable" financial standing [stuff like budgeting, when to buy a house or car, investing, financial independence, retirement, etc.] I instilled within them a "drive" for "betterment" in their finances/their 'status' (apartment to house, being able to get cars, snow machines, boats, saving for their kids expenses and college, etc.)

I also told them about reality; that /they/ were responsible for achieving /all/ of that stuff for themselves and their wives and kids because it wasn't anyone else's responsibility. And the second part of that "reality" is that if you /do/ let (or expect) others to 'provide' for you, then you'll /never/ achieve shit; you'll have the bare minimum for survival (if you're lucky) because there are more hands looking for freebies then there will ever be money given out - hard facts of life. My kids, unlike the recent socialist crops out there, know damn well that if they want a "good life" they have to work for it, they know it's not going to just land in their lap, they know it's probably going to take some time and effort, they understand /patience/ - turtle and the hare kind of shit. My eldest sons, in their early 20s, are all well on their way to being wealthy, or at a minimum very comfortably happy, already. Not one of them has kids, not even the 30 year old daughter, they're /all/ waiting until they've got their own shit straight before they drag kids into it.

It has /nothing/ to do with how much /I/ (the wealthy) make, it has to do with the individual's drive to succeed, where they are putting their efforts - if you're more concerned about social media/partying/showing up your friends (new car, phone, whatever)/or even playing at political activism, than you are about advancing your own life (through your career and financial status) then your priorities are not going to give you a "good life" - they'll give you the bare minimum (if you're lucky) - because that's what level of /effort/ you're putting into your financial standing and your own future. Again, wise decisions vs stupid decisions.

That's the rub you bleeding heart SJW's need to understand; you cannot /make/ someone put in effort to better their own lives, only they can do that. It doesn't matter how much money you throw at a "user" they are not going to magically turn into an "achiever" until /they/ decide to. All you do by handing out "free" money (welfare) is prolong the time these types can "use" instead of "achieving" for themselves.

When you raise the min wage, businesses will /not/ eat the cost, never will, they pass those costs onto consumers period. Businesses have "rules" too, like not living pay check to pay check - they cannot ever do that, ever - which is why they have built in "profit margins" that they will /always/ meet, because not doing so means they go bankrupt - seriously. So, if you raise the minimum wage, so the cost of their employees goes up, they have exactly two choices. 1) they lay employees off, stop hiring, etc. or 2) they increase prices to cover that cost. Typically you'll see 2, and especially at the end of a recession like we've been in, because businesses have already streamlined their employee numbers as much as they can. So they raise the prices, which means, the cost of living goes up and wipes out the min wage increase. It's a cycle and there is /nothing/ you can do about it. Whining about being "fair" isn't going to change the hard reality that businesses MUST have a certain profit margin or they go under, it is not going to change the fact that businesses are going to "reallocate" the new "expenses" of employee wage increases.

No matter how much sympathy you want to have for "poor folk" who "need help" a business is /not/ there to help, they are there to make money, period. You cannot change that, the best you can do is harness that known reality - unleash the dogs and let them grow so they hire more people; more jobs, more upward mobility for the employees, the more upward mobility for the employees there is, the more folks are getting financially "comfortable" That is the best you can hope for from businesses when it comes down to it.

I'm no more a SJW than you are a loser. But historically speaking, you're simply wrong. Jefferson and Jackson were both at heart about forcing the rich to give lesser earners a better shot at making more. Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson as well. The New Deal dominated our policies from 32-80. And Reagan was all about a reinvigorated capitalism that had stagnated into not rewarding effort.

Nothing I posted could be perceived as advocating for handouts. Liveable wages are not handouts. Perhaps you have a specific gripe about min wages. I didn't bring it up. Min wages may require franchises like McDonalds to raise wages. I don't know, and frankly don't much care. But it's simply not a matter of dispute that corp profits are at a all time high, and out tax policy is about to put debt on workers so profits can be higher, and at that the same time repeal govt support for workers healthcare with "no a fcking thing." And simultaneously reducing federal support for higher education.

So while Trump ran on improving how society rewards effort, he's governing in a manner exactly the opposite. (which doesn't make Hillary more likeable, btw)

 

[EverCurious]

Yeah, well, your "tax cuts for billionaires" argument was shot down on the previous page. We don't tax billionaires because we don't tax based on wealth in this country. So you're going to have to find dumber people to sell that line to. Sorry!

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

Boss I completely understand what you say about income I'm far from jealous or envious of others being quite wealthy myself.....but when folks are starving even while working a couple of jobs something is wrong with the system Can you at least agree the wealth of those million and billionaires have increased greatly while the rest of the "suckers" stay in the same place?

ME making money on wise investments has zip zero fucking zilch to do with jack and jill dropping out of HS and working min wage jobs to support their kids on...

That is the difference between /wise decisions/ vs /stupid decisions/ nothing more:

The /wise/ decision is to wait to have a kid until you can pay for it's diapers and food.

The /stupid/ decision is to be impatient and get saddled with massive rent, a car payment (or two), a big cell phone bill (or two), and then toss in a kid or two while you're working min wage jobs.

Simple shit, but ya'll conflate this logic with "feels" - problem is that feels ain't so bright, in fact that's typically how you end up with kids when you can't afford them...

Good thing daddy gave trump a few million to start off ,,,Born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple

That's called envy dear. Envy will /never/ gain /you/ anything. If /you/ want to gain, then /you/ have to put in the effort and make wise decisions. Crying about someone else's financial "gifts"/inheritance, or how much their parents have does no good at all.

 

[eddiew37]

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

Boss I completely understand what you say about income I'm far from jealous or envious of others being quite wealthy myself.....but when folks are starving even while working a couple of jobs something is wrong with the system Can you at least agree the wealth of those million and billionaires have increased greatly while the rest of the "suckers" stay in the same place?

ME making money on wise investments has zip zero fucking zilch to do with jack and jill dropping out of HS and working min wage jobs to support their kids on...

That is the difference between /wise decisions/ vs /stupid decisions/ nothing more:

The /wise/ decision is to wait to have a kid until you can pay for it's diapers and food.

The /stupid/ decision is to be impatient and get saddled with massive rent, a car payment (or two), a big cell phone bill (or two), and then toss in a kid or two while you're working min wage jobs.

Simple shit, but ya'll conflate this logic with "feels" - problem is that feels ain't so bright, in fact that's typically how you end up with kids when you can't afford them...

Good thing daddy gave trump a few million to start off ,,,Born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple

That's called envy dear. Envy will /never/ gain /you/ anything. If /you/ want to gain, then /you/ have to put in the effort and make wise decisions. Crying about someone else's financial "gifts"/inheritance, or how much their parents have does no good at all.

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[rightwinger]

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

Boss I completely understand what you say about income I'm far from jealous or envious of others being quite wealthy myself.....but when folks are starving even while working a couple of jobs something is wrong with the system Can you at least agree the wealth of those million and billionaires have increased greatly while the rest of the "suckers" stay in the same place?

ME making money on wise investments has zip zero fucking zilch to do with jack and jill dropping out of HS and working min wage jobs to support their kids on...

That is the difference between /wise decisions/ vs /stupid decisions/ nothing more:

The /wise/ decision is to wait to have a kid until you can pay for it's diapers and food.

The /stupid/ decision is to be impatient and get saddled with massive rent, a car payment (or two), a big cell phone bill (or two), and then toss in a kid or two while you're working min wage jobs.

Simple shit, but ya'll conflate this logic with "feels" - problem is that feels ain't so bright, in fact that's typically how you end up with kids when you can't afford them...

Good thing daddy gave trump a few million to start off ,,,Born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple

That's called envy dear. Envy will /never/ gain /you/ anything. If /you/ want to gain, then /you/ have to put in the effort and make wise decisions. Crying about someone else's financial "gifts"/inheritance, or how much their parents have does no good at all.

That is not envy....it is a reality

 

[bendog]

And you want us to believe billionaires make no money ?? No millions a year ,,no interest on those billions ?

Most billionaires do not have "earned taxable income" subject to US income tax. Their wealth does generate income but it's usually in the form of investment income which is simply rolled back into more investment and not realized as income earned. They will pay a tax on it when it is received as income but they could elect to take small disbursements subject to minimal taxation.

Again.... The top marginal income tax rate is applied to earned income, not wealth. I could literally be $10 million in debt and have income exceeding $1 million for the year.... I'm not wealthy, I'm $10 million in debt. My wealth has nothing to do with my income.

What you are falling for is class warfare rhetoric from Socialists. They need for you to believe that people with wealth are evil and deserve to have their wealth taken away by the power of the state. They need you to believe the system unfairly gives them advantages you don't get. They depend on you being jealous and envious of what you don't have that someone else does. And mostly, they want you to believe that punishing those evil wealthy bastards somehow benefits you in the long run. None of this is true.

Boss I completely understand what you say about income I'm far from jealous or envious of others being quite wealthy myself.....but when folks are starving even while working a couple of jobs something is wrong with the system Can you at least agree the wealth of those million and billionaires have increased greatly while the rest of the "suckers" stay in the same place?

ME making money on wise investments has zip zero fucking zilch to do with jack and jill dropping out of HS and working min wage jobs to support their kids on...

That is the difference between /wise decisions/ vs /stupid decisions/ nothing more:

The /wise/ decision is to wait to have a kid until you can pay for it's diapers and food.

The /stupid/ decision is to be impatient and get saddled with massive rent, a car payment (or two), a big cell phone bill (or two), and then toss in a kid or two while you're working min wage jobs.

Simple shit, but ya'll conflate this logic with "feels" - problem is that feels ain't so bright, in fact that's typically how you end up with kids when you can't afford them...

Good thing daddy gave trump a few million to start off ,,,Born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple

That's called envy dear. Envy will /never/ gain /you/ anything. If /you/ want to gain, then /you/ have to put in the effort and make wise decisions. Crying about someone else's financial "gifts"/inheritance, or how much their parents have does no good at all.

Time suck.