Why We're Where We Are

[Moonglow]

Yours are not facts but opinions, history has revealed the facts...

Here is a fact history has revealed:

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. —Winston Churchill

WC and Maggie Thatcher supported NHS, sweet Athena.

Sweet Jakey, times have changed. ISIS will be coming over very soon.

ISIS is already here, and we will handle it just fine.

Jakey, when the ISIS savages come over in numbers, your president will run under his desk. What an anti-social way to treat invited guests.

Have you invited them for a cotillion ball?

 

[eagle7_31]

1. A chicken in every pot, a new Chevrolet in every garage......


It is difficult to fight materialism....in fact, it is a mistake to fight it in the absolute, meaning if the alternative is starvation and homelessness.

That was the reason for so much of Franklin Roosevelt's success.


And once the desire for material satisfaction is given societal blessing....well, the line between sustaining life and simple greed is blurred.

Government promises you the chicken, and the Chevy.

Few ask where government gets the money to fulfill those promises, but your part of the deal is your vote, and what bit of liberty they chip away from your birthright.



But, like it or not, if you agree to the deal....you are a Leftist.
"Dialectical materialism... is a philosophy of science and nature, based on the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels,..." Dialectical materialism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.
Dennis Prager.


And, if the only reality is materialism, there is no such thing as the spiritual, or morality, or responsibility.


a. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there. Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’
Concentration camps, gulags, famine as a government policy, show trials, torture....everything.

Hence, the reason for the ascendancy of Leftism: free chicken, Chevrolets, and the ability to do whatever feels good.



3. All of this was predicted....warned of....almost two centuries ago, by Alexis de Tocqueville. Writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, he described Liberalism as “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.” As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”




4. We Americans have stumbled into the great sea change, from a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, to one under the thumb of despotism. Think not? Still believe in the Constitution and on checks and balances?

Recently, the 'President' spit on those checks and balances:
" Obama Dares GOP: Go Ahead, ‘Have a Vote on Whether What I’m Doing Is Legal…I Will Veto’

“So in the short term,if Mr. McConnell, the leader of the Senate, and the Speaker of the House, John Boehner,want to have a vote on whether what I’m doing is legal or not, they can have that vote. I will veto that vote, because I’m absolutely confident that what we’re doing is the right thing to do.”
Obama Dares GOP Go Ahead Have a Vote on Whether What I m Doing Is Legal I Will Veto MRCTV

We are at this point overall in a macro sense for 2 reasons. Slavery and the Wilson administration.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We are at this point because of far right wing Christian prosperity preachers.

 

[eagle7_31]

We are at this point because of far right wing Christian prosperity preachers.

you are dreaming. We have nearly unfiltered unstoppable left wing narratives running things for the most part. Some of which you speak stems from slavery. No slaves, no civil war (most likely) no modern civil rights movement, no racial quotas etc etc.

 

[hazlnut]

1. A chicken in every pot, a new Chevrolet in every garage......


It is difficult to fight materialism....in fact, it is a mistake to fight it in the absolute, meaning if the alternative is starvation and homelessness.

That was the reason for so much of Franklin Roosevelt's success.


And once the desire for material satisfaction is given societal blessing....well, the line between sustaining life and simple greed is blurred.

Government promises you the chicken, and the Chevy.

Few ask where government gets the money to fulfill those promises, but your part of the deal is your vote, and what bit of liberty they chip away from your birthright.



But, like it or not, if you agree to the deal....you are a Leftist.
"Dialectical materialism... is a philosophy of science and nature, based on the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels,..." Dialectical materialism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.
Dennis Prager.


And, if the only reality is materialism, there is no such thing as the spiritual, or morality, or responsibility.


a. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there. Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’
Concentration camps, gulags, famine as a government policy, show trials, torture....everything.

Hence, the reason for the ascendancy of Leftism: free chicken, Chevrolets, and the ability to do whatever feels good.



3. All of this was predicted....warned of....almost two centuries ago, by Alexis de Tocqueville. Writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, he described Liberalism as “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.” As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”




4. We Americans have stumbled into the great sea change, from a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, to one under the thumb of despotism. Think not? Still believe in the Constitution and on checks and balances?

Recently, the 'President' spit on those checks and balances:
" Obama Dares GOP: Go Ahead, ‘Have a Vote on Whether What I’m Doing Is Legal…I Will Veto’

“So in the short term,if Mr. McConnell, the leader of the Senate, and the Speaker of the House, John Boehner,want to have a vote on whether what I’m doing is legal or not, they can have that vote. I will veto that vote, because I’m absolutely confident that what we’re doing is the right thing to do.”
Obama Dares GOP Go Ahead Have a Vote on Whether What I m Doing Is Legal I Will Veto MRCTV

Lemme guess, it's all lefty's fault.

Leaders on the right have all been brilliant insightful statesmen- ahead of their time, like Rick Perry and Sarah Palin.

 

[hazlnut]

another pc winner

 

[JakeStarkey]

 

[Toro]

1. A chicken in every pot, a new Chevrolet in every garage......


It is difficult to fight materialism....in fact, it is a mistake to fight it in the absolute, meaning if the alternative is starvation and homelessness.

That was the reason for so much of Franklin Roosevelt's success.


And once the desire for material satisfaction is given societal blessing....well, the line between sustaining life and simple greed is blurred.

Government promises you the chicken, and the Chevy.

Few ask where government gets the money to fulfill those promises, but your part of the deal is your vote, and what bit of liberty they chip away from your birthright.



But, like it or not, if you agree to the deal....you are a Leftist.
"Dialectical materialism... is a philosophy of science and nature, based on the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels,..." Dialectical materialism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.
Dennis Prager.


And, if the only reality is materialism, there is no such thing as the spiritual, or morality, or responsibility.


a. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there. Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’
Concentration camps, gulags, famine as a government policy, show trials, torture....everything.

Hence, the reason for the ascendancy of Leftism: free chicken, Chevrolets, and the ability to do whatever feels good.



3. All of this was predicted....warned of....almost two centuries ago, by Alexis de Tocqueville. Writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, he described Liberalism as “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.” As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”




4. We Americans have stumbled into the great sea change, from a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, to one under the thumb of despotism. Think not? Still believe in the Constitution and on checks and balances?

Recently, the 'President' spit on those checks and balances:
" Obama Dares GOP: Go Ahead, ‘Have a Vote on Whether What I’m Doing Is Legal…I Will Veto’

“So in the short term,if Mr. McConnell, the leader of the Senate, and the Speaker of the House, John Boehner,want to have a vote on whether what I’m doing is legal or not, they can have that vote. I will veto that vote, because I’m absolutely confident that what we’re doing is the right thing to do.”
Obama Dares GOP Go Ahead Have a Vote on Whether What I m Doing Is Legal I Will Veto MRCTV

Do you not find it ironic that the Republican party is the defender of the rich, the most materialistic group of people in America?

Facts not in evidence.

It's one of those 'common sense' judgments, like 'two plumb lines are parallel.'

You really should think before you post.

Rich people generally choose to have more material things than everyone else. The live in bigger, nicer homes. They wear nicer clothes. They drive more expensive cars. They have more material things. They could choose to not to live like that. They could choose to live modestly, shop at WalMart, and buy Camrys. But they generally don't. They have more, nicer material things. Hence, rich people are more material.

Rich people tend to support the Republican Party more.

Ergo, the Republican Party supports the most material group of people in America.

It'd be pretty stupid to claim that lower taxes doesn't benefit everyone.
You're not stupid, are you?

It's be pretty stupid to believe that most people don't want to better themselves materially.
You're not stupid, are you?

And all those things you claim 'rich people' have.....it'd be pretty stupid to claim that the less rich don't want.
You're not stupid are you?

Then stop doing contortions to defend the Liberals/Progressives who who stole freedom and liberty by bribing the electorate with material rewards.

Your first two points in the OP were that the Left is materialistic.

The most materialistic people in America are the rich. And the Republican party is the party of the rich.

So if your premise is based upon materialism, it holds that materialism should come more so from the political right, not the Left.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Of course it does.

 

[NoNukes]

1. A chicken in every pot, a new Chevrolet in every garage......


It is difficult to fight materialism....in fact, it is a mistake to fight it in the absolute, meaning if the alternative is starvation and homelessness.

That was the reason for so much of Franklin Roosevelt's success.


And once the desire for material satisfaction is given societal blessing....well, the line between sustaining life and simple greed is blurred.

Government promises you the chicken, and the Chevy.

Few ask where government gets the money to fulfill those promises, but your part of the deal is your vote, and what bit of liberty they chip away from your birthright.



But, like it or not, if you agree to the deal....you are a Leftist.
"Dialectical materialism... is a philosophy of science and nature, based on the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels,..." Dialectical materialism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.
Dennis Prager.


And, if the only reality is materialism, there is no such thing as the spiritual, or morality, or responsibility.


a. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there. Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’
Concentration camps, gulags, famine as a government policy, show trials, torture....everything.

Hence, the reason for the ascendancy of Leftism: free chicken, Chevrolets, and the ability to do whatever feels good.



3. All of this was predicted....warned of....almost two centuries ago, by Alexis de Tocqueville. Writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, he described Liberalism as “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.” As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”




4. We Americans have stumbled into the great sea change, from a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, to one under the thumb of despotism. Think not? Still believe in the Constitution and on checks and balances?

Recently, the 'President' spit on those checks and balances:
" Obama Dares GOP: Go Ahead, ‘Have a Vote on Whether What I’m Doing Is Legal…I Will Veto’

“So in the short term,if Mr. McConnell, the leader of the Senate, and the Speaker of the House, John Boehner,want to have a vote on whether what I’m doing is legal or not, they can have that vote. I will veto that vote, because I’m absolutely confident that what we’re doing is the right thing to do.”
Obama Dares GOP Go Ahead Have a Vote on Whether What I m Doing Is Legal I Will Veto MRCTV

This is why you are in Brooklyn?

Nah....because it was upwind from you.

You cannot stand a sweet smelling man? I get it.

 

[Edgetho]

Your first two points in the OP were that the Left is materialistic.

The most materialistic people in America are the rich. And the Republican party is the party of the rich.

So if your premise is based upon materialism, it holds that materialism should come more so from the political right, not the Left.

So..... Half of America is 'rich'?

How does that work out?

And since when are Trailer Park dwellers and stupid rednecks capable of becoming rich?

While the oh-so-enlightened and oh-so-educated and oh-so-superior scum in the dimocrap party live on cat food?

Is that how it works.

You people are juvenile fucking douchebags. Make a decision, are Republicans the party of the Rich or the Party of the stupid.

And if you say that we're rich and stupid, what does that say about you? Too stupid to become rich?

Rich and stupid or just rich or just stupid or just rednecks or just -- Just go to fucking hell you ignorant losers.

You're so stupid you can't even figure out why life has shit all over you

(hint -- because you're fucking stupid)

(and lazy)

(and genetically inferior)

(and at the bottom end of the gene pool)

(and don't know who your daddies are)

(and because your parents are closely related)

IOW, you're just scum.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Edgey is melting down early in the morning.

 

[Toro]

Your first two points in the OP were that the Left is materialistic.

The most materialistic people in America are the rich. And the Republican party is the party of the rich.

So if your premise is based upon materialism, it holds that materialism should come more so from the political right, not the Left.

So..... Half of America is 'rich'?

How does that work out?

And since when are Trailer Park dwellers and stupid rednecks capable of becoming rich?

While the oh-so-enlightened and oh-so-educated and oh-so-superior scum in the dimocrap party live on cat food?

Is that how it works.

You people are juvenile fucking douchebags. Make a decision, are Republicans the party of the Rich or the Party of the stupid.

And if you say that we're rich and stupid, what does that say about you? Too stupid to become rich?

Rich and stupid or just rich or just stupid or just rednecks or just -- Just go to fucking hell you ignorant losers.

You're so stupid you can't even figure out why life has shit all over you

(hint -- because you're fucking stupid)

(and lazy)

(and genetically inferior)

(and at the bottom end of the gene pool)

(and don't know who your daddies are)

(and because your parents are closely related)

IOW, you're just scum.

I'm a Republican.

I also work with rich people, some who are extraordinarily wealthy. And I generally admire them for it because almost all that I know have earned it. I would like to see more people get wealthy.

But the premise in the OP is that the Left is materialistic. It is the rich who possess more materials, and it is the Republican Party and conservative ideology which protects and promotes this.

That's not a normative judgement. That's merely an empirical statement. Thus, the premise in the OP is incorrect and the argument fails.

 

[Edgetho]

Edgey is melting down early in the morning.

I know you want to suck my dick, Flakey.

But it ain't gonna happen.

Stalk somebody else, scumbag

 

[Edgetho]

I'm a Republican.

I also work with rich people, some who are extraordinarily wealthy. And I generally admire them for it because almost all that I know have earned it. I would like to see more people get wealthy.

But the premise in the OP is that the Left is materialistic. It is the rich who possess more materials, and it is the Republican Party and conservative ideology which protects and promotes this.

That's not a normative judgement. That's merely an empirical statement. Thus, the premise in the OP is incorrect and the argument fails.

That's a really, really stupid statement.

Not well though out at all.

My response stands.

 

[Christophera]

Yo

1. A chicken in every pot, a new Chevrolet in every garage......


It is difficult to fight materialism....in fact, it is a mistake to fight it in the absolute, meaning if the alternative is starvation and homelessness.

That was the reason for so much of Franklin Roosevelt's success.


And once the desire for material satisfaction is given societal blessing....well, the line between sustaining life and simple greed is blurred.

Government promises you the chicken, and the Chevy.

Few ask where government gets the money to fulfill those promises, but your part of the deal is your vote, and what bit of liberty they chip away from your birthright.



But, like it or not, if you agree to the deal....you are a Leftist.
"Dialectical materialism... is a philosophy of science and nature, based on the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels,..." Dialectical materialism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.
Dennis Prager.


And, if the only reality is materialism, there is no such thing as the spiritual, or morality, or responsibility.


a. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there. Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’
Concentration camps, gulags, famine as a government policy, show trials, torture....everything.

Hence, the reason for the ascendancy of Leftism: free chicken, Chevrolets, and the ability to do whatever feels good.



3. All of this was predicted....warned of....almost two centuries ago, by Alexis de Tocqueville. Writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, he described Liberalism as “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.” As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”




4. We Americans have stumbled into the great sea change, from a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, to one under the thumb of despotism. Think not? Still believe in the Constitution and on checks and balances?

Recently, the 'President' spit on those checks and balances:
" Obama Dares GOP: Go Ahead, ‘Have a Vote on Whether What I’m Doing Is Legal…I Will Veto’

“So in the short term,if Mr. McConnell, the leader of the Senate, and the Speaker of the House, John Boehner,want to have a vote on whether what I’m doing is legal or not, they can have that vote. I will veto that vote, because I’m absolutely confident that what we’re doing is the right thing to do.”
Obama Dares GOP Go Ahead Have a Vote on Whether What I m Doing Is Legal I Will Veto MRCTV

You could have simply said a republic has natural law principles as a foundation and that natural law is instinctual, with survival, then liberty serving that making success and satisfaction at living, or happiness.

But noooooooo, you had to try and describe it from the other direction. Perhaps you list all the things in the universe that are needed or wanted, starting with a chicken and a Chevy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Edgey is melting down early in the morning.

I know you want to suck my dick, Flakey. But it ain't gonna happen. Stalk somebody else, scumbag

You are PMSing all over the Board. Your boyfriend drop you last night?

Do you have anything to offer on OP or are you going to just vent?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I'm a Republican.

I also work with rich people, some who are extraordinarily wealthy. And I generally admire them for it because almost all that I know have earned it. I would like to see more people get wealthy.

But the premise in the OP is that the Left is materialistic. It is the rich who possess more materials, and it is the Republican Party and conservative ideology which protects and promotes this.

That's not a normative judgement. That's merely an empirical statement. Thus, the premise in the OP is incorrect and the argument fails.

That's a really, really stupid statement.

Not well though out at all.

My response stands.

Toro offered some objective evidence. All you have done this morning is scream. Offer something on the OP, please.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yo

1. A chicken in every pot, a new Chevrolet in every garage......


It is difficult to fight materialism....in fact, it is a mistake to fight it in the absolute, meaning if the alternative is starvation and homelessness.

That was the reason for so much of Franklin Roosevelt's success.


And once the desire for material satisfaction is given societal blessing....well, the line between sustaining life and simple greed is blurred.

Government promises you the chicken, and the Chevy.

Few ask where government gets the money to fulfill those promises, but your part of the deal is your vote, and what bit of liberty they chip away from your birthright.



But, like it or not, if you agree to the deal....you are a Leftist.
"Dialectical materialism... is a philosophy of science and nature, based on the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels,..." Dialectical materialism - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia




2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.
Dennis Prager.


And, if the only reality is materialism, there is no such thing as the spiritual, or morality, or responsibility.


a. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there. Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’
Concentration camps, gulags, famine as a government policy, show trials, torture....everything.

Hence, the reason for the ascendancy of Leftism: free chicken, Chevrolets, and the ability to do whatever feels good.



3. All of this was predicted....warned of....almost two centuries ago, by Alexis de Tocqueville. Writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, he described Liberalism as “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.” As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”




4. We Americans have stumbled into the great sea change, from a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government, to one under the thumb of despotism. Think not? Still believe in the Constitution and on checks and balances?

Recently, the 'President' spit on those checks and balances:
" Obama Dares GOP: Go Ahead, ‘Have a Vote on Whether What I’m Doing Is Legal…I Will Veto’

“So in the short term,if Mr. McConnell, the leader of the Senate, and the Speaker of the House, John Boehner,want to have a vote on whether what I’m doing is legal or not, they can have that vote. I will veto that vote, because I’m absolutely confident that what we’re doing is the right thing to do.”
Obama Dares GOP Go Ahead Have a Vote on Whether What I m Doing Is Legal I Will Veto MRCTV

You could have simply said a republic has natural law principles as a foundation and that natural law is instinctual, with survival, then liberty serving that making success and satisfaction at living, or happiness.

But noooooooo, you had to try and describe it from the other direction. Perhaps you list all the things in the universe that are needed or wanted, starting with a chicken and a Chevy.

Roosevelt His Bankrupt Policies US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's called mocking with sarcasm.

Oh, is that what you think.