Why Workers in Red States Vote Against Their Economic Self-Interest

[Unkotare]

When you have nothing go back up your statement what do you resort to...ad hominem!

I was responding to your remarks directly. Pay attention. Maybe if you learned how to use the quote function like everyone else you wouldn't get so confused.

 

[Mr Natural]

Because Detroit went bankrupt.

And being a single industry town making crappy products with poor management in the face of superior foreign competition would have nothing to do with that.

No, if course not, it was all the union's doing.

 

[dblack]

Because it's not the job of government to supplement corporate income.

just idiotic. it IS the job of goverment to ensure a vibrant economy; the government already "supplements" corporate income in countless ways.

Walmar is "supplementing" the government here. do you think they cant find a way to have machines to the jobs of some of their employees?

in other words they are on limited help from the government now. if they get let go by walmart the government will be supplying ALL OF THEIR NEEDS

These unthinking leftists are determined to see anyone who creates jobs as 'the enemy' unless it's the government. At the exact same time they bitch about there not being enough jobs. At some point they've just got to accept that Marx was completely wrong.

You're confused.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Liberals keep showing cons reality with facts, and all they've got is sandbox banter. They must really believe that responses like, "Idiot" and "liar" win the debate. And they can't understand why they keep losing. Just keep counting on the stupid southern bigots cons. Their ignorance is your bliss.

not really, it's because it's out of context. Those states are poor, why? because democrats ran them for a long long long time.

I wonder if you subtract Memphis, a completely owned democrat city from the rest of TN, how those number would look...hmmmmmmm

Dems ran most of the South? You really cant make this shit up. First they say it doesnt happen until you smack them with facts then they have a whole NEW excuse. But wait, they said it didnt happen now it does but they have a good reason for that

Until the next set of facts smack 'em in the face. You think they'll have excuses for their excuses? Oh yeah...you betcha

That's because you're full of shit, you use one bs set of stats. I could post one of states in debt, guess who wins. libtard states. I could post people are fleeing California, but going to Alabama.....hmmmmmmm wonder why?


And so what does that mean, the democrats have a min wage, great, so why not raise it to $100?


But yes dems did run the south. The south was poor from the civil war til now and I bet you didn't know that the republicans didn't have a majority in the TN house of rep until 2008. I bet you thought they controlled the statehouse since the "southern strategy" took effect. You don't know shit. Also until the mid 90s both senate seats were democrats, and the governor too. They were poor as hell under democrats..

 

[Unkotare]

just idiotic. it IS the job of goverment to ensure a vibrant economy; the government already "supplements" corporate income in countless ways.

Walmar is "supplementing" the government here. do you think they cant find a way to have machines to the jobs of some of their employees?

in other words they are on limited help from the government now. if they get let go by walmart the government will be supplying ALL OF THEIR NEEDS

These unthinking leftists are determined to see anyone who creates jobs as 'the enemy' unless it's the government. At the exact same time they bitch about there not being enough jobs. At some point they've just got to accept that Marx was completely wrong.

You're confused.

Not at all, thanks.

 

[dblack]

These unthinking leftists are determined to see anyone who creates jobs as 'the enemy' unless it's the government. At the exact same time they bitch about there not being enough jobs. At some point they've just got to accept that Marx was completely wrong.

You're confused.

Not at all, thanks.

If you think I'm a leftist, you are.

 

[rdean]

Only a Republicans could look at a poor person getting a little help getting some food and then call them "greedy". They look at someone like Mitt Romney paying a couple of percent on 20 million dollars and see someone truly needy. Their values are so upside down.

 

[rdean]

I would like USMB right wingers to explain how GOP conservative policies work in Red States.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Because Detroit went bankrupt.

And being a single industry town making crappy products with poor management in the face of superior foreign competition would have nothing to do with that.

No, if course not, it was all the union's doing.

Why you don't go live in Chicago then, or Camden, I hear they're Progressive Cities on the Hill.

 

[Barb]

Only a Republicans could look at a poor person getting a little help getting some food and then call them "greedy". They look at someone like Mitt Romney paying a couple of percent on 20 million dollars and see someone truly needy. Their values are so upside down.

Watch: Jon Stewart Introduces Fox News to the REAL Welfare Queens! (Video) | Americans Against the Tea Party

 

[Barb]

I can't prove what? That Wal-Mart doesn't have any loyalty to its employees? That Wal-Mart employees are getting fucked by the company that they work for? That the corporation profits billions of dollars every quarter while the employees struggle by on food stamps? I don't have to prove it. Wal-Mart already proved it for me.

If George Soros speaks for me, then the Waltons definitely speak for you.

And the Walton's cost the American taxpayers on the federal level and on the state and local level through benefits paid and local corporate welfare setting up shop everywhere they put local businesses out of business, degrading local economy's to the point that nobody has the money to shop anywhere else.

prove that; you're simply a fool.

if people working at Walmart didnt work there then ALL their needs would have to be met by the government you dolt; they would be on welfare completely and not getting a paycheck at all

How Walmart Hurts the Economy - Small Towns - BusinessNewsDaily

The research, done by a Northwest community group, estimates that one Walmart store, which is set to open in a Washington neighborhood, will decrease the community's economic output over 20 years by an estimated $13 million. It also estimates the Walmart will cost the community an additional $14 million in lost wages over the next 20 years.

http://advocate.nyc.gov/files/Walmart.pdf

Since opening its first store in Bentonville, Arkansas in 1962, Wal-Mart has steadily spread from
its base in the South and Midwest to dominate the suburban and rural retail market across the
U.S. Having effectively saturated these markets, Wal-Mart’s most lucrative opportunities for
growth are now outside the U.S.. However, the company has also begun to move aggressively
into those more densely populated central cities that have so far been off limits, either for lack of
space in which to shoe-horn the mall-size Wal-Mart outlets or due to local antipathy to the
company because of its negative impact on small businesses and the local economy.

The overwhelming weight of the independent research on the impact of Wal-Mart stores on local
and national economies – including jobs, taxes, wages, benefits, manufacturing and existing
retail businesses – shows that Wal-Mart depresses area wages and labor benefits contributing to
the current decline of good middle class jobs, pushes out more retail jobs than it creates, and
results in more retail vacancies. There is no indication that smaller “urban” Wal-Mart stores
scattered throughout a dense city in any way diminish these negative trends. Rather, such
developments may actually result in more widespread economic disruption.

1. Wal-Mart’s Economic Impacts: Net Loss of Jobs, Fewer Small Businesses

• Wal-Mart store openings kill three local jobs for every two they create by
reducing retail employment by an average of 2.7 percent in every county they
enter.6


• Wal-Mart’s entry into a new market does not increase overall retail activity or
employment opportunities.7
Research from Chicago shows retail employment did
not increase in Wal-Mart’s zip code, and fell significantly in those adjacent.

• Wal-Mart’s entry into a new market has a strongly negative effect on existing
retailers.8
Supermarkets and discount variety stores are the most adversely
affected sectors, suffering sales declines of 10 to 40% after Wal-Mart moves in.9

• Stores near a new Wal-Mart are at increased risk of going out of business. After a
single Wal-Mart opened in Chicago in September 2006, 82 of the 306 small
businesses in the surrounding neighborhood had gone out of business by March
2008.10


• The value of Wal-Mart to the economy will likely be less than the value of the
jobs and businesses it replaces. A study estimating the future impact of Wal-Mart
on the grocery industry in California found that, “the full economic impact of
those lost wages and benefits throughout southern California could approach $2.8
billion per year.”11


• Chain stores, like Wal-Mart send most of their revenues out of the community,
while local businesses keep more consumer dollars in the local economy: for
every $100 spent in locally owned businesses, $68 stayed in the local economy
while chain stores only left $43 to re-circulate locally.12


2. Wal-Mart’s Costs to Taxpayers

• Wal-Mart has thousands of associates who qualify for Medicaid and other
publicly subsidized care, leaving taxpayers to foot the bill.13 For instance in Ohio
Wal-Mart has more associates and associate dependents on Medicaid than any
other employer, costing taxpayers $44.8 million in 2009.14


• According to estimates, Wal-Mart likely avoided paying $245 million in taxes
2008 by paying rent to itself and then deducting that rent from its taxable
income.15

Wal-Mart has admitted a failure to pay $2.95 billion in taxes for fiscal year
2009.16


3. Wal-Mart’s low paying jobs contribute to the decline of the middle class

• Median household income declined by 1.8% nationally and 4.1% in New York
City in 2009.17 This decline will be exacerbated by low paying Wal-Mart jobs.

• Wal-Mart’s average annual pay of $20,774 is below the Federal Poverty Level for
a family of four.18


• A Wal-Mart spokesperson publicly acknowledged in 2004 that, "More than two
thirds of our people... are not trying to support a family. That’s who our jobs are
designed for.”19


• Wal-Mart’s 2010 health care offerings have a high annual deductible of $4,400
which means a family would have to spend $5,102 of their own money on health
care before Wal-Mart’s insurance pays anything. Based on the average salary of a
Wal-Mart employee this payment represents almost 25% of their annual income.20

see also:

How Walmart's low wages impact the economy - SmartPlanet

and the handouts in land and material:

Wal-Mart Subsidy Watch - brought to you by Good Jobs First

A secret behind Wal-Mart’s rapid expansion in the United States has been its extensive use of public money. This includes more than $1.2 billion in tax breaks, free land, infrastructure assistance, low-cost financing and outright grants from state and local governments around the country.

 

[Barb]

In a nutshell...no pun intended?

 

[rdean]

In a nutshell...no pun intended?

Hilarious.

 

[TemplarKormac]

In a nutshell...no pun intended?

Wow, that's racist. Your race card has now been revoked.

 

[The T]

In a nutshell...no pun intended?

Hilarious.

Disgusting, like YOU.

 

[zeke]

they do trickle down you idiot; unless you and your lemming Horde get in the way

virtually EVERYTHING WAS BETTER WHEN REPUBLICANS RAN THINGS


everything

RECORD WELFARE AND FOOD STAMPS; in the 8th year of Progressive Majority Rule

own your failure idiot

But also record corporate profits which should trickle down. Why don't record corporate profits trickle down? Why can't Wal-Mart afford to pay its employees more?

it's hilarious watchin an idiot like you rant about Walmart knowing there are minorties in some cities that would love to work there rather than collect welfare

but they cant because liberal "leaders" that think like you asinine moron; WONT LET WALMART BUILD A STORE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS

Bedwin,
What a fucking idiot you are. Walmart looking to build stores in the inner cities. FLMAO.
You probably think most of those minimum wage workers at Walmart vote Republican?
LMAO. While they work their asses off for that great minimum wage job that YOU say they should be grateful to have.

Seems to me that the executives at Walmart are the ones that should be grateful. They are able to make a great salary while the rest of us subsidize their workforce. And the executives have assholes like you telling anyone who will listen that it is a good thing that Walmart employees are able to qualify for some sort of welfare.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

There are several reasons I won't shop at a Walmart. Wages are one. Junk merchandise made in China is another. And people like you supporting Walmart activities are the biggest reason. Fuck you and the walmart you rode in on.

 

[dblack]

Seems to me that the executives at Walmart are the ones that should be grateful. They are able to make a great salary while the rest of us subsidize their workforce. And the executives have assholes like you telling anyone who will listen that it is a good thing that Walmart employees are able to qualify for some sort of welfare.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

There are several reasons I won't shop at a Walmart. Wages are one. Junk merchandise made in China is another. And people like you supporting Walmart activities are the biggest reason. Fuck you and the walmart you rode in on.

Wait a minute. What's your position on welfare? Isn't it you who is supporting Walmart? The 'sides' on this debate just get "curiouser and curiouser".

 

[Spiderman]

Why is it so called liberals feel it's their business to tell other people what their best interests are?

 

[Mac1958]

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Ultimately, we're going to have to increase the minimum wage, perhaps significantly.

Self-inflicted wound -- We've created a nearly helpless underclass, and now we have to pay for it.

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So those who did the right thing, busted their ass, sacrificed and got a business up and running, tough shit, it's on you now.

It is what it is.

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[dblack]

Why is it so called liberals feel it's their business to tell other people what their best interests are?

Interests is interests.