Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[JRK]

well I hate too put you on ignore also but you are not giving me much choice here
he is not slandering your name nor is he lying about you on a public forum
Jake, you might want to take the hint
"public"
"slander"

Jake slanders me all the time.

I just don't care. No one takes him seriously. He's a buffoon, a clown. Someone to be laughed at.

He is ill my friend
You are correct, I just will never understand it
people like Jake need help

 

[idb]

sing your logic then we did the right thing invading Iraq. The person who did the first WTC bombing in 93 was an Iraqi citizen
Denial?
There is nothing but information in that thread.
Ethanol failed
Obama gave GM 50 billion of our wealth and the they cannot give the volt away still

What does Iraq suppling 3% of the worlds oil or have to do with denial, in fact i am a firm supporter of nuclear energy as well as the oil shale we have in abundance right here in this country. Obama is the one holding that up.

Understanding a liberal is so hard for us that live in realville. Stop an re read mu thread
its just information, thats all
how many people Saddam killed
Info on WMDs
how much oil that Iraq supplies the world

etc....

But, that is simply wrong.
Why not follow your own advice and do some research rather than simply repeating untrue partisan talking points?

US Oil Production Forecast to Increase | HeatingOil.com
US oil production is forecast to increase in 2011 and 2012 thanks to more unconventional domestic shale reserves being tapped, the Energy Department says.

U.S. Oil Production to Increase 25% by 2016 - Is There a Way to Play It? - Seeking Alpha
According to the US government’s Energy Information Administration, domestic production of crude oil and related liquids rose 3 per cent last year to an average of 7.51m barrels a day – its highest level since 2002. The rise enabled a 2 per cent drop in US oil imports to 9.45m b/d, in spite of rising demand as the economy recovered. US oil imports have fallen steadily since 2006.


FT.com / Companies / Oil & Gas - US oil production revives despite offshore disruption
US oil production last year rose to its highest level in almost a decade, thanks to an increase in the use of “unconventional” extraction techniques .

As a result, analysts believe the US was the largest contributor to the increase in global oil supplies last year over 2009, and is on track to increase domestic production by 25 per cent by the second half of the decade.

Partisan talking points?
untrue?
what the hell have i posted that is untrue? the only thing worse than calling a grown man a liar is not being able to back it up, that is the lowest form of the human race
what the Un and the DOD and what we found in Iraq is not talking points
its information


What is that crap about oil production have to do with Iraq?

You brought up oil production and in the process demonstrated your lack of critical thought and regurgitation of untruths.
Surely that puts all of your arguments into question?

 

[Sallow]

This works..

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...s-book-points-to-saudis-and-bush-coverup.html

Covering up Saudi involvement.

 

[JRK]

But, that is simply wrong.
Why not follow your own advice and do some research rather than simply repeating untrue partisan talking points?

US Oil Production Forecast to Increase | HeatingOil.com
US oil production is forecast to increase in 2011 and 2012 thanks to more unconventional domestic shale reserves being tapped, the Energy Department says.

U.S. Oil Production to Increase 25% by 2016 - Is There a Way to Play It? - Seeking Alpha
According to the US government’s Energy Information Administration, domestic production of crude oil and related liquids rose 3 per cent last year to an average of 7.51m barrels a day – its highest level since 2002. The rise enabled a 2 per cent drop in US oil imports to 9.45m b/d, in spite of rising demand as the economy recovered. US oil imports have fallen steadily since 2006.


FT.com / Companies / Oil & Gas - US oil production revives despite offshore disruption
US oil production last year rose to its highest level in almost a decade, thanks to an increase in the use of “unconventional” extraction techniques .

As a result, analysts believe the US was the largest contributor to the increase in global oil supplies last year over 2009, and is on track to increase domestic production by 25 per cent by the second half of the decade.

Partisan talking points?
untrue?
what the hell have i posted that is untrue? the only thing worse than calling a grown man a liar is not being able to back it up, that is the lowest form of the human race
what the Un and the DOD and what we found in Iraq is not talking points
its information


What is that crap about oil production have to do with Iraq?

You brought up oil production and in the process demonstrated your lack of critical thought and regurgitation of untruths.
Surely that puts all of your arguments into question?

what un truths bud?
name them or shut up

you want oil games?

The oil fields at Prudhoe Bay are in decline. Currently about seven hundred thousand barrels a day are sent to Valdez. Since the administration and the Green movement have killed ANWR and any other oil fields close by, the pipeline is in danger of clogs and corroding due to the lack of oil flowing and the temperature. Without some sort of technical cure to the pipeline, we lose it soon.
Call it PERMIT-GATE.

» Clearing-up Today’s Obama Energy Lies - Big Government
This afternoon the President of the United States tried one again to mislead the public about domestic oil production and how much untapped oil is left in the ground. He said that domestic oil production is at the highest level in seven years and he indicated that American reserves are not adequate to help the US reduced its dependence on foreign oil. If Congressman Wilson was in the audience he might have repeated his famous shout “You Lie.”

Domestic Oil Production.
Obama commented that US oil production was at its highest point in seven years. That was both incorrect and misleading. Daily average production of oil last year 5,361,000 barrels/day the best since 2005’s 5,419,000/day. The real misleading fact about his statement, is that neither year is even close to levels seen only ten years before when production was 20% higher.

The President mentioned 35 offshore contracts were awarded, hiding the fact that off shore oil production has been way down since 2005, and that production took a big drop as soon as Obama took office (even before BP)

Source for both charts above the US Energy Information Administration.
Domestic Supply The President grossly undersold America’s oil supply saying that we only have 2% of the worlds supply. OK he didn’t undersell, he lied big time. The number is America’s proven reserves where we are already drilling. It does not include the 10 billion barrels available in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. It does not include most of the 86 billion barrels available offshore in the Outer Continental Shelf, most of which President Obama has placed under an executive drilling ban. And it does not include the 800 billion barrels of oil we have locked in shale in Wyoming, Utah, and Colorado. Those shale resources alone are actually three times larger than the proven reserves of Saudi Arabia, so the claim that the U.S. only has 2% of the world’s oil is clearly false.
A 2009 study by the non partisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) sheds light on America’s energy resources. It shows show the U.S. supply of recoverable oil to be 167 billion barrels of oil, the equivalent of replacing America’s current imports from OPEC countries for more than 75 years. And that’s just the oil, when you include gas and coal, the U.S. has energy reserves the equivalent of 1.3 trillion barrels.

On top of that there is more Oil to find. For example, in 2008 the US Geological Survey announced that the Arctic holds about 90 BILLION barrels of Oil, more than Nigeria, Kazakhstan and Mexico combined about one third of the reserves are in Alaskan waters. In the graph below the darker the blue the better the probability of Oil. In the map below the darker the green the more oil. The Dark green area between five and six o’clock is in Alaska territory, which is just under 30 Billion Barrels of Oil. And just like anything else in this world, politics will play a huge part in how soon we can get to it


Oil Companies Are Not Using The Leases They Have.
The President said the “Industry holds leases on tens of millions of acres both offshore and on land where they aren’t producing a thing.” and he said he wants to “encourage companies to produce [on] the leases they hold.”
If Obama is telling the truth, those oil companies must be run by idiots, paying for leases but not getting the product out of the ground so they can make money. Thankfully for those who hold stock in big oil, it isn’t that the oil companies are run by idiots its that the President thinks the American people are idiots and will believe that particular pack of lies.
A lease is for exploration and production, not just production, and because oil is not equally distributed across the globe, one parcel of leased acreage may not hold any oil. Moreover, due to government red-tape, which has gotten more complected under the Obama administration, it can take years for companies who own a lease to complete their exploration activities. To get to the production phase, it could take as long as ten years. Ironically, President Obama wants to tax companies for not producing on their leases, even if the federal government’s refusal to grant permits is the reason why those companies are not drilling.
The truth is, ever since Barack Obama took office the President has been making it more difficult to exploit our own energy resources, one of his first actions was having the Secretary of the Interior cancel leases to exploit our shale oil reserves in Utah. It seems as if President Obama’s energy policy consists of making America more dependent on foreign oil.

Does that make you feel better?

 

[idb]

Specifically

the oil shale we have in abundance right here in this country. Obama is the one holding that up

He is not holding it up.

 

[JRK]

This works..

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...s-book-points-to-saudis-and-bush-coverup.html

Covering up Saudi involvement.

Sallow what lies did GWB tell?
same ones the UN was telling?
or was it really not that far from the truth?

where do you want to start?
yellow cake
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080707/pl_afp/usiraqcanadauraniumnuclear_080707154601

Quote, July 7, 2008: "At Iraq's request, the US military this year transferred hundreds of metric tons of yellowcake uranium from Iraq to Canada in a secret, weeks-long operation, a Pentagon spokesman said Monday.

The 550 metric tons of uranium, which was sold to a Canadian company, was moved by truck convoy to Baghdad's "Green Zone," then flown by military aircraft to a third country where it was put on a ship for Canada, said Bryan Whitman, the spokesman.

The yellow cake was discovered by US troops after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq at the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Facility south of Baghdad, and was placed under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency."


what next? WMDs
American Forces Press Service
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

whose lies were the worst, or were they lies at all?
Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix remarked in January 2003 that "Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance—not even today—of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace."[115] Among other things he noted that 1,000 short tons (910 t) of chemical agent were unaccounted for, information on Iraq's VX nerve agent program was missing, and that "no convincing evidence" was presented for the destruction of 8,500 litres (1,900 imp gal; 2,200 US gal) of anthrax that had been declared.[115]
you keep telling me I am lying
this does include the 6500 munitions (6000, we found over 500) that the UN claimed Saddam had also

 

[DiamondDave]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

If I remember correctly, the whole premise for this war was based on the existance of WMD and Saddam's refusal to allow proper monitoring.

Stabilizing Iraq and creating a Republic were later justifications that the Bush Administration was forced to invent as face saving measures when no WMD could be found!

Document 52: Department of State Cable from George P. Shultz to the United States Embassy in Lebanon [et al.]. "Department Press Briefing, March 30, 1984," March 31, 1984.

..... It responds to questions from the press about U.S. policy regarding the Iran-Iraq war, and a department spokesperson says Iraq's chemical weapons use will not change U.S. interest in pursuing closer U.S.-Iraq relations.

Source: Declassified under the Freedom of Information Act

Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

Try reading the actual resolution..... it will keep you from sounding this ignorant again....

I love how little idiot BlindBoo sends a mini-neg-rep saying this is nonsense.... when it is easily proven.... you see.. there was more than WoMD in the resolution

Iraqi War Resolution - Text of Iraq Resolution and Roll Call Vote Authorizing War In Iraq

So... shut the fuck up idiot... you're pwned

 

[JRK]

Specifically

the oil shale we have in abundance right here in this country. Obama is the one holding that up

He is not holding it up.

Really?

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Wednesday reversed yet another Bush-era policy, scrapping leases for oil-shale development on federal lands in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.
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Citing environmental and economic concerns, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar withdrew a proposal for expanded research and development leases and shelved a planned second round.
"We need to push forward aggressively with research, development and demonstration of oil shale technologies to see if we can find a safe and economically viable way to unlock these resources on a commercial scale," he said in a statement.
Salazar rescinded a lease offer made last month for research, development and demonstration projects that could have led to oil-shale works on 1.9 million acres in the three states, greatly expanding the program.
"I am withdrawing that Jan. 14 solicitation because in my view it was a midnight decision, and it was flawed," Salazar told reporters on a teleconference call from Washington, D.C.
He said he also is scrapping an initial 5 percent royalty rate on oil-shale production, saying the rate "sells taxpayers short." Conventional oil and gas production on public land produces royalties of up to 18.8 percent.

got to have pipelines sense new refinaries in new locales will not be permitted
Dirty Oil Sands | SENATE LEADERS RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT TAR SANDS PIPELINE

 

[idb]

If I remember correctly, the whole premise for this war was based on the existance of WMD and Saddam's refusal to allow proper monitoring.

Stabilizing Iraq and creating a Republic were later justifications that the Bush Administration was forced to invent as face saving measures when no WMD could be found!

Try reading the actual resolution..... it will keep you from sounding this ignorant again....

I love how little idiot BlindBoo sends a mini-neg-rep saying this is nonsense.... when it is easily proven.... you see.. there was more than WoMD in the resolution

Iraqi War Resolution - Text of Iraq Resolution and Roll Call Vote Authorizing War In Iraq

So... shut the fuck up idiot... you're pwned

So, because the US gummint said the invasion was legal that makes it legal?

 

[idb]

Specifically

the oil shale we have in abundance right here in this country. Obama is the one holding that up

He is not holding it up.

Really?

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Wednesday reversed yet another Bush-era policy, scrapping leases for oil-shale development on federal lands in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.
Only on msnbc.com
A day in the life of Iran’s president
Obama: We’re not where we need to be
Unable to pay child support, poor parents jailed
No promotion yet? Maybe you're not the boss' favorite
USDA bans six new E. coli strains from meat supply
How 9/11 changed Pakistan
It's A Snap! Vote for your favorite travel photo
Citing environmental and economic concerns, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar withdrew a proposal for expanded research and development leases and shelved a planned second round.
"We need to push forward aggressively with research, development and demonstration of oil shale technologies to see if we can find a safe and economically viable way to unlock these resources on a commercial scale," he said in a statement.
Salazar rescinded a lease offer made last month for research, development and demonstration projects that could have led to oil-shale works on 1.9 million acres in the three states, greatly expanding the program.
"I am withdrawing that Jan. 14 solicitation because in my view it was a midnight decision, and it was flawed," Salazar told reporters on a teleconference call from Washington, D.C.
He said he also is scrapping an initial 5 percent royalty rate on oil-shale production, saying the rate "sells taxpayers short." Conventional oil and gas production on public land produces royalties of up to 18.8 percent.

got to have pipelines sense new refinaries in new locales will not be permitted
Dirty Oil Sands | SENATE LEADERS RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT TAR SANDS PIPELINE

Same question as earlier...why is production increasing then?

 

[JRK]

If I remember correctly, the whole premise for this war was based on the existance of WMD and Saddam's refusal to allow proper monitoring.

Stabilizing Iraq and creating a Republic were later justifications that the Bush Administration was forced to invent as face saving measures when no WMD could be found!

Try reading the actual resolution..... it will keep you from sounding this ignorant again....

I love how little idiot BlindBoo sends a mini-neg-rep saying this is nonsense.... when it is easily proven.... you see.. there was more than WoMD in the resolution

Iraqi War Resolution - Text of Iraq Resolution and Roll Call Vote Authorizing War In Iraq

So... shut the fuck up idiot... you're pwned

Man nothing could be this simple
congress authorizes2002
we attack 2003
we show proof to congress that validates there (meets) there criteria (congress 2006)
We find more proof 2008, never is presented to congress as it is not needed

 

[Sallow]

This works..

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...s-book-points-to-saudis-and-bush-coverup.html

Covering up Saudi involvement.

Sallow what lies did GWB tell?
same ones the UN was telling?
or was it really not that far from the truth?

where do you want to start?
yellow cake
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080707/pl_afp/usiraqcanadauraniumnuclear_080707154601

Quote, July 7, 2008: "At Iraq's request, the US military this year transferred hundreds of metric tons of yellowcake uranium from Iraq to Canada in a secret, weeks-long operation, a Pentagon spokesman said Monday.

The 550 metric tons of uranium, which was sold to a Canadian company, was moved by truck convoy to Baghdad's "Green Zone," then flown by military aircraft to a third country where it was put on a ship for Canada, said Bryan Whitman, the spokesman.

The yellow cake was discovered by US troops after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq at the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Facility south of Baghdad, and was placed under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency."


what next? WMDs
American Forces Press Service
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

whose lies were the worst, or were they lies at all?
Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix remarked in January 2003 that "Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance—not even today—of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace."[115] Among other things he noted that 1,000 short tons (910 t) of chemical agent were unaccounted for, information on Iraq's VX nerve agent program was missing, and that "no convincing evidence" was presented for the destruction of 8,500 litres (1,900 imp gal; 2,200 US gal) of anthrax that had been declared.[115]
you keep telling me I am lying
this does include the 6500 munitions (6000, we found over 500) that the UN claimed Saddam had also

The Bush administration told a lot of lies and tried to cover up Saudi involvement.

Doesn't matter..he's out of the white house and the damage to our economy, to our international prestige and our military has been done.

My hope is that this gets fully vetted and legislation is created to stop this from happening again.

 

[Intense]

This works..

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...s-book-points-to-saudis-and-bush-coverup.html

Covering up Saudi involvement.

Sallow what lies did GWB tell?
same ones the UN was telling?
or was it really not that far from the truth?

where do you want to start?
yellow cake
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080707/pl_afp/usiraqcanadauraniumnuclear_080707154601

Quote, July 7, 2008: "At Iraq's request, the US military this year transferred hundreds of metric tons of yellowcake uranium from Iraq to Canada in a secret, weeks-long operation, a Pentagon spokesman said Monday.

The 550 metric tons of uranium, which was sold to a Canadian company, was moved by truck convoy to Baghdad's "Green Zone," then flown by military aircraft to a third country where it was put on a ship for Canada, said Bryan Whitman, the spokesman.

The yellow cake was discovered by US troops after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq at the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Facility south of Baghdad, and was placed under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency."


what next? WMDs
American Forces Press Service
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

whose lies were the worst, or were they lies at all?
Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix remarked in January 2003 that "Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance—not even today—of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace."[115] Among other things he noted that 1,000 short tons (910 t) of chemical agent were unaccounted for, information on Iraq's VX nerve agent program was missing, and that "no convincing evidence" was presented for the destruction of 8,500 litres (1,900 imp gal; 2,200 US gal) of anthrax that had been declared.[115]
you keep telling me I am lying
this does include the 6500 munitions (6000, we found over 500) that the UN claimed Saddam had also

The Bush administration told a lot of lies and tried to cover up Saudi involvement.

Doesn't matter..he's out of the white house and the damage to our economy, to our international prestige and our military has been done.

My hope is that this gets fully vetted and legislation is created to stop this from happening again.

How can you talk like that and not be up in arms over Libya Sallow? Pretty Shallow, dude.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So, because the US gummint said the invasion was legal that makes it legal?

Yes.

That's how the whole "legal" thingy works.

The president + legislators determine what is legal.

 

[Sallow]

Sallow what lies did GWB tell?
same ones the UN was telling?
or was it really not that far from the truth?

where do you want to start?
yellow cake
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080707/pl_afp/usiraqcanadauraniumnuclear_080707154601

Quote, July 7, 2008: "At Iraq's request, the US military this year transferred hundreds of metric tons of yellowcake uranium from Iraq to Canada in a secret, weeks-long operation, a Pentagon spokesman said Monday.

The 550 metric tons of uranium, which was sold to a Canadian company, was moved by truck convoy to Baghdad's "Green Zone," then flown by military aircraft to a third country where it was put on a ship for Canada, said Bryan Whitman, the spokesman.

The yellow cake was discovered by US troops after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq at the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Facility south of Baghdad, and was placed under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency."


what next? WMDs
American Forces Press Service
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

whose lies were the worst, or were they lies at all?
Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix remarked in January 2003 that "Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance—not even today—of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace."[115] Among other things he noted that 1,000 short tons (910 t) of chemical agent were unaccounted for, information on Iraq's VX nerve agent program was missing, and that "no convincing evidence" was presented for the destruction of 8,500 litres (1,900 imp gal; 2,200 US gal) of anthrax that had been declared.[115]
you keep telling me I am lying
this does include the 6500 munitions (6000, we found over 500) that the UN claimed Saddam had also

The Bush administration told a lot of lies and tried to cover up Saudi involvement.

Doesn't matter..he's out of the white house and the damage to our economy, to our international prestige and our military has been done.

My hope is that this gets fully vetted and legislation is created to stop this from happening again.

How can you talk like that and not be up in arms over Libya Sallow? Pretty Shallow, dude.

Gaddafi was involved in Lockerbie and the Arab league wanted him out.

The first reason alone is good enough for me.

 

[freedombecki]

This works..

http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...s-book-points-to-saudis-and-bush-coverup.html

Covering up Saudi involvement.

I went to your link, which said "The most damning element of the LIHOP story is that the CIA identified two of the 9/11 hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, as Al-Qaeda operatives and knew they had entered the United States months before the attacks."

Did you know these two gentlemen entered the United States on January 15, 2000. President George W. Bush didn't even take office until 2001. Are you certain he did anything to "cover up" Saudi involvement?

My recollections is that not only did intelligence grill the Sauds, they pointed out to the Saudi Prince that donations from people in their family had given donations to charities that were sent to "missionaries" in Afghanistan who were uncovered as al Qaeda. That stopped all funding of Al Qaeda in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. As a consequence, before Bush left office, the Prince lost 7 of his house (family) to terrorists who thereafter targeted him by taking out his loved ones one at a time.

Saudis paid a very high price for our friendship. This blame Bush book is just that. It bends and twists facts. I found that with just a check to see when these two morons entered the USA. When they entered, it was not on President Bush's watch.

It's another Get-Bush support to keep Obama's "It's Bush's fault" schtick alive.

Bush did not do what these conspiracy theorists claim, even though they wrote a book to support the little fibbie they were hoping they could pass off as true.

If all these things were true, it wouldn't have touched my little built-in smarm alarm. I have one because I read a lot about the Middle East and have for the past 15 years.

 

[idb]

So, because the US gummint said the invasion was legal that makes it legal?

Yes.

That's how the whole "legal" thingy works.

The president + legislators determine what is legal.

And if their 'legal' disagrees with another country's 'legal'?
What if Saddam had advice that he was within his rights to do what he was doing.

 

[DiamondDave]

Try reading the actual resolution..... it will keep you from sounding this ignorant again....

I love how little idiot BlindBoo sends a mini-neg-rep saying this is nonsense.... when it is easily proven.... you see.. there was more than WoMD in the resolution

Iraqi War Resolution - Text of Iraq Resolution and Roll Call Vote Authorizing War In Iraq

So... shut the fuck up idiot... you're pwned

So, because the US gummint said the invasion was legal that makes it legal?

There is NOTHING illegal... It was a military action (not a war) that was legally signed off on... and no, there was more than WoMD in the justification...

So now we know you're an idiot as well

 

[freedombecki]

Gaddafi was involved in Lockerbie and the Arab league wanted him out.

The first reason alone is good enough for me.

I agree with you on that one for the same reason. What I find unhappy about that situation is that over there, they have one fakir who set the bomb for Lockerbie in Libbya out for "reasons of health". He knows how to do it, and he could do it again in spades. That's worrisome to me. The man was not that ill, and he is well now, last I heard.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And if their 'legal' disagrees with another country's 'legal'?

Oh? Were you under the impression that France and China had input on US laws?

Sorry, doesn't work that way.

What if Saddam had advice that he was within his rights to do what he was doing.

Who cares?

Here is a document that will shock and confound you, yet might explain the whole thing.

U.S. CONSTITUTION