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We are talking about Righties giving themselves wedgies because the WH has already leaked that the POTUS is going to announce that if the Congress does not act, he will, per presidential directive. Ok.
Ahem, here is the list of federal executive orders issued, by president, by year:
List of United States federal executive orders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The five presidents with the most presidential orders, 'circumventing' the Congress?
FDR (D): 3,522 - WWII
Wilson (D): 1803 - WWI
Coolidge (R): 1203
T. Roosevelt (R): 1081
Hoover (R): 968
To compare:
To-date:
Obama: 167
None of the Presidents before Obama were impeached because of presidential orders. And as a matter of fact, a number of presidents before Obama USED THE SOTU AS A BULLY PULPIT to let the Congress know that they would do that, just as he is planning to do. And none of them were impeached for it.
There is a reason for why the Constitution also allows the POTUS presidential directives (orders).
I smell a massive amount of bullshit on this thread.
As I remember presidents have also been given the power to fill in some Congressional bills. In fact, the second bill given to FDR after the bank bill was a bill to reduce the budget with FDR filling in the particulars.
Also, Lincoln, with Congress in recess, enforced laws that did not exist. When Congress returned they indicated they would have passed the laws had they been in session. All Republican noise at this time.
I don't want to bring this exchange to an abrupt end or anything, but if you have any question abpout Obama having already committed impeachable acts, he certainly has and no one refutes it.
For your illumination:
Benghazi attorney: What Obama just did absolutely illegal, impeachable
August 13, 2013
by Michael Dorstewitz
Former U.S. attorney Joe DiGenova, who currently represents several of the so-called Benghazi whistleblowers, affirmed that when President Obama told the White House Press Corps at his Friday news conference that a sealed indictment exists relative to the Benghazi attack, he committed an impeachable offense.
When the issue of the indictment was raised on WMALs Mornings On The Mall Monday during the DiGenova interview, he said the indictment is indeed supposed to remain under seal.
We are now getting close to a series of statements by the president that puts him on the wrong road to impeachable offenses, he said.
At that news conference, the President of the United States violated a court order of the United States District Court for either the Eastern District of Virginia or the District of Columbia where this sealed indictment apparently exists, DiGenova noted.
He is not allowed to say that. A president can declassify a document, but he cannot unseal an indictment. Only a federal court can do that, he explained. Whoever is the chief judge of either one of those districts should issue a show cause order for the United States attorney for that district as to why the United States attorney or the president should not be held in contempt.
The statement DiGenova is referring to is one Obama threw out to the press Friday.
Theres a sealed indictment, Obama said at the White House news conference according to ABC News. Its sealed for a reason, but we are intent on capturing those who carried out this attack. And were going to stay on it until we get them.
DiGenova described that statement as unbelievable, and added, This was from our professor-president our so-called constitutional scholar. Theres just no doubt about it it was illegal, he emphasized.
But the AP reporter, Julie Pace, who was on Fox News Sunday said, It was kind of unusual for the president to talk about a sealed indictment in a public setting. It wasnt unusual; it was illegal.
Listen to the full interview, courtesy of WMAL.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtmeo07cXGQ]Joe DiGenova on WMAL 8-12-13 - YouTube[/ame]
Benghazi attorney: What Obama just did absolutely illegal, impeachable - BizPac Review
So, now that that's been established, you can continue your debate for the fun of it.
Sorry foir the derail.
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The House of Representatives decides the impeachable offense. The offense in impeachment is not a broken law but what the House say it is. One of the charges against Johnson was that he yelled at the Congress.
Are there any American laws that are classified as high crimes? If a president did actually break a statute law, after the impeachment trial, he can be tried for violating that law.
Impeachment is to decide if a president or civil officer should be removed from office. A number of presidents have been threatened with impeachment and two impeached and found not guilty.