Will White Privilege End Affirmative Action?

[Mac-7]

Go back and read what I wrote, and then think about it. Then get back to me without your whiny white grievance.

The ironic thing is that you are not being screwed over because people of color are getting more opportunities. You are getting screwed because the One Percent is too greedy and resents you having what you have.

Your posts are dripping with excuses for black failure

excuses that are based on a lie

 

[JoeB131]

Your posts are dripping with excuses for black failure

excuses that are based on a lie

Well, you know a lot about failure...

 

[IM2]

If there are, they are not as prevalent as Euro types. People lived in harsher climates around the world. They had to adapt and invent some comforts because of where they lived. Africans lived in a warmer environment and did not advance as a reason as fast as others. There are other cultures also in the world.

Shut the hell up. You are completely wrong.

 

[IM2]

Your posts are dripping with excuses for black failure

excuses that are based on a lie

White failure has been the problem. And its the truth backed by 400 years of evidence.

"It would neither be true or honest to say that the Negros problem is what it is because he is innately inferior or because he is basically lazy and listless or because he has not lifted himself by his own bootstraps. To find the origins of the Negro problem we must turn to the white man's problem."
-Rev. Martin Luther King Jr

 

[IM2]

All Rise!

This Mornings lesson is titled:

SHUT THE FUCK UP LISA!

Or:

White Women are the Most Unqualified Students Entering College or Getting Employment

I've had enough of reading these racist white bitches talking about unqualified blacks.

Affirmative Action has helped whites more than anyone else. White Women specifically.

“Hoping to create in white men and women a shared sense of victimization at the hands of people of color, conservatives have made sure to ignore whatever gains have come to women through affirmative action and have sought to “racialize” the debate and its attendant imagery.” -Tim Wise

“How do you figure, wasn’t Affirmative Action was made for blacks?” NO! Affirmative Action was created to combat discrimination and blacks have not been the only ones discriminated against. So here we introduce another protected group, women. That includes white women.

On June 17, 2013, Sally Kohn wrote an article in Time titled, “Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone.” Kohn provides this historical backdrop for the implementation including the reasons why President Johnson added women: “Originally, women weren’t even included in legislation attempting to level the playing field in education and employment. The first affirmative-action measure in America was an executive order signed by President Kennedy in 1961 requiring that federal contractors “take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin.” In 1967, President Johnson amended this, and a subsequent measure included sex, recognizing that women also faced many discriminatory barriers and hurdles to equal opportunity.” Kohn continues by stating that while Affirmative Action has helped people of color, it has disproportionately benefitted white women.

“While people of color, individually and as groups, have been helped by affirmative action in the subsequent years, data and studies suggest women — white women in particular — have benefited disproportionately. According to one study, in 1995, 6 million women, the majority of whom were white, had jobs they wouldn’t have otherwise held but for affirmative action.” -Sally Kohn

The National Womens Law Center did a study on Affirmatives Action and found that: “Women of color have lagged particularly far behind in both employment and education. For example, in 1998, the median weekly salary for Black women was $400 compared to $468 for white women and $615 for white men. Hispanic women earned a median weekly income of only $337. Even in sectors where women have made inroads into management, minority women continue to be underrepresented. In the banking industry, only 2.6% of executive, managerial and administrative jobs were held by Black women, and 5% by Hispanic women, compared to 37.6% by white women. In the hospital industry, Black and Hispanic women each held 4.6% of these jobs, while white women held 50.2%. At the top, women of color represented only 11.2% of all corporate officers in Fortune 500 companies. Women of color also earn fewer college degrees than white women. In 1997, white women made up 39% of college undergraduates and 42% of graduate students; minority women were only 16% of undergraduates and 10% of graduate students.”

Tim Wise had a paper published in the National Women’s Studies Association Journal in the fall of 1998 titled, “Is Sisterhood Conditional?: White Women and the Rollback of Affirmative Action.” His paper was about the reluctance of some white women to advocate for Affirmative Action despites the gains white women had achieved from the policy over the 30 years at that time, due to the policy.

“Thanks in large measure to affirmative action and civil rights protections that opened up previously restricted opportunities to women of all colors, from 1972-1993:

• The percentage of women architects increased from 3% to nearly 19% of the total;
• The percentage of women doctors more than doubled from 10% to 22% of all doctors;
• The percentage of women lawyers grew from 4% to 23% of the national total;
• The percentage of female engineers went from less than 1% to nearly 9%;
• The percentage of female chemists grew from 10% to 30% of all chemists; and,
• The percentage of female college faculty went from 28% to 42% of all faculty.

Furthermore, since only 1983, the percentage of women business managers and professionals grew from 41% of all such persons, to 48%, while the number of female police officers more than doubled, from 6% to 13% (U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census 1995, Table 649). According to a 1995 study, there are at least six million women — the overwhelming majority of them white — who simply wouldn’t have the jobs they have today, but for the inroads made by affirmative action (Cose 1997, 171). -Tim Wise

White women have been the number one beneficiary of Affirmative Action.

Sally Kohn, Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone, Time, JUNE 17, 2013, Affirmative Action Has Helped White Women More Than Anyone.

Fact Sheet: Affirmative Action and What It Means for Women, July 1, 2000, The National Womens Law Center, https://nwlc.org/resources/affirmative-action-and-what-it-means-women/

Tim Wise, Is Sisterhood Conditional?: White Women and the Rollback of Affirmative Action, September 23, 1998, Is Sisterhood Conditional?: White Women and the Rollback of Affirmative Action

Victoria M. Massie, White women benefit most from affirmative action — and are among its fiercest opponents, White women benefit most from affirmative action — and are among its fiercest opponents

 

[LOIE]

Frederick Douglass was not perfect and he did become an elitist as he got older. But todays white republican cannot take credit for Douglass because he spent most of his lie opposing racism with demands for equality.

Agree. It's like what they do when they repeat certain phrases from Dr. King, like not being judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Most of what King and Douglass said in their speeches and writing is ignored because it makes folks feel uncomfortable. It's sad that so many of us are more concerned with our own comfort then we are with the truth, however it makes us feel.

 

[LOIE]

Incorrect. You simply have not read works by African scholars.

It's very timely that I have just started re-reading, "Black Spark, White Fire," by Richard Poe. Fascinating reading. Here's an excerpt that speaks to what was said: "In many ways it is shocking how little we know of Europe between the years 3200 and 1200B.C. Egyptologists can rattle off the names of nearly every pharaoh who reigned during this time, with the approximate years of his accession and death. Likewise the history of Sumer, Babylon, Assyria and many other Near Eastern states of this period are thoroughly documented, with copious written records."

"Not so Europe. Except for a few hundred clay tablets from Greece - most of which appear to be accounting and inventory lists, and none of which seem to be older than about 1400B.C - no writings at all have come down to us from Europe's Bronze Age. It must be gleaned from a few sparse and puzzling references in the chronicles of Egypt and the Near East and reconstructed from vague and fanciful European legends, which may or may not preserve some tangled threads of truth."

He also says this: "For it was there, in the pages of The Ruins, that Volney firmly concluded that civilization has been first conceived "on the borders of the Upper Nile, among a black race of men."

 

[Mac-7]

White failure has been the problem. And its the truth backed by 400 years of evidence.

"It would neither be true or honest to say that the Negros problem is what it is because he is innately inferior or because he is basically lazy and listless or because he has not lifted himself by his own bootstraps. To find the origins of the Negro problem we must turn to the white man's problem."
-Rev. Martin Luther King Jr

More black excuse making from 1955

 

[AZrailwhale]

Clinton was a pretty good president. Awful human being, but a good president.
Poppy Bush was a good president who just had some bad luck.
Dubya was a good man, but not a good president.

Trump, on the other hand, is an awful human being and was a terrible president. it will take years to repair the damage.

Clinton wasn’t a good president. He was a crook and womanizer that was constrained by a hostile congress who made him look good in spite of himself, he was a typical glad handing politician Who Ross Perot got elected by splitting the conservative vote.

 

[JoeB131]

Clinton wasn’t a good president. He was a crook and womanizer that was constrained by a hostile congress who made him look good in spite of himself, he was a typical glad handing politician Who Ross Perot got elected by splitting the conservative vote.

Actually, he was a good president.

We didn't get involved in any major wars.
The economy grew consistently on his watch

If the worst thing he did was bang an intern, then that's just not all that bad.

Now back in the day, I was one of you wingnuts who used to say "Subornation of Perjury" like that was the worst thing, ever! Then Dubya got in office, and I learned new terms like, "Forever War" and "Underwater Mortgage" and "busted 401K".

 

[IM2]

More black excuse making from 1955

Facts support those words.

 

[IM2]

Clinton wasn’t a good president. He was a crook and womanizer that was constrained by a hostile congress who made him look good in spite of himself, he was a typical glad handing politician Who Ross Perot got elected by splitting the conservative vote.

Bullshit.

 

[Mac-7]

Facts support those words.

Only in your mind

the fact is blacks have opportunity but fail to take advantage of it

 

[AZrailwhale]

Actually, he was a good president.

We didn't get involved in any major wars.
The economy grew consistently on his watch

If the worst thing he did was bang an intern, then that's just not all that bad.

Now back in the day, I was one of you wingnuts who used to say "Subornation of Perjury" like that was the worst thing, ever! Then Dubya got in office, and I learned new terms like, "Forever War" and "Underwater Mortgage" and "busted 401K".

Riiiight. You’ve obviously forgotten wag the dog, the missile attacks, taking “campaign contributions” read bribes from Chinese nationals in violation of the law, giving away both classified and private tech to the Chinese which kick started their military revolution.

 

[JoeB131]

Riiiight. You’ve obviously forgotten wag the dog, the missile attacks, taking “campaign contributions” read bribes from Chinese nationals in violation of the law, giving away both classified and private tech to the Chinese which kick started their military revolution.

Okay, let's look at those.

Wag the Dog. That's what the wingnuts said when Clinton went after Osama Bin Laden, and they made jokes about an "Aspirin Factory". Seems Clinton was pretty prescient going after Bin Laden, but "OH MY GOD, HE LIED ABOUT A BLOW JOB" and that was the priority.

Did anyone ever prove he took illegal contributions? Nope. Didn't think so.

As far as the Chinese getting rocket technology, well... here's the thing. Our big industry WANTED them to have it. Why? Because we wanted to get satellites up there, fast. The Space Shuttle turned out to be a big dud on delivery of satellites, which is what it was originally designed for. So we went to China for the same reason we go to China for anything. Get it down fast, and cheap.

You see, I'm not worried about the Chinese. They aren't a threat to us.

 

[BS Filter]

Im2 is an idiot. You're wasting your time.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Okay, let's look at those.

Wag the Dog. That's what the wingnuts said when Clinton went after Osama Bin Laden, and they made jokes about an "Aspirin Factory". Seems Clinton was pretty prescient going after Bin Laden, but "OH MY GOD, HE LIED ABOUT A BLOW JOB" and that was the priority.

Did anyone ever prove he took illegal contributions? Nope. Didn't think so.

As far as the Chinese getting rocket technology, well... here's the thing. Our big industry WANTED them to have it. Why? Because we wanted to get satellites up there, fast. The Space Shuttle turned out to be a big dud on delivery of satellites, which is what it was originally designed for. So we went to China for the same reason we go to China for anything. Get it down fast, and cheap.

You see, I'm not worried about the Chinese. They aren't a threat to us.

On both a geo-political and economic basis they are the biggest threat to the US. Russia is a third world craphole with delusions of grandeur. They are barely a threat to their neighbors and won’t even be that whenever Putin Finally gets deposed.

 

[JoeB131]

On both a geo-political and economic basis they are the biggest threat to the US. Russia is a third world craphole with delusions of grandeur. They are barely a threat to their neighbors and won’t even be that whenever Putin Finally gets deposed.

American Capitalists: "Look everyone, at this country that is now a threat because we empowered them by moving your Good American Jobs over there so we can make obscene amounts of money selling you cheap crap!"

Me: "Awesome, so when are you signing up your sons and daughters for the military to fight them?"

American Capitalist: "Um, well, we thought that is what you are going to do."

 

[LOIE]

More black excuse making from 1955

I see a big difference between excuses and reasons. A student may make up an excuse for not having done homework - "My dog ate it." But if his mom suddenly took ill and they had to rush her to the hospital, that would be a legitimate reason for homework not being done. I believe throughout our U.S. history white folks have made up many excuses for their treatment of Native Americans, blacks and other minorities. Having to live and work within a discriminatory system is a reason, not an excuse.

 

[Mac-7]

But if his mom suddenly took ill and they had to rush her to the hospital, that would be a legitimate reason for homework not being done.

Thats one out of a thousand

Maybe 10,000

the norman rockwell image of the poor but honest ghetto dweller is long past

its more likely mom got busted for selling something she shouldn't have