CDZ Women should embrace both owning and carrying guns as acts of personal empowerment.

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Except your accidental death by gunshot doesn’t happen if you don’t bring it into the house.

If you are afraid of shooting yourself then don't buy a gun.

 

[2aguy]

Ask women who have been violently attacked by criminals and who then learn how to shoot and carry a gun if they feel safer or less safe. Ask women who have taken up learning to carry and shoot guns if they feel more safe or less safe.

Since a gun is the one thing that can make a woman capable of dealing with a violent male criminal, shouldn't the women's movements embrace gun ownership and carrying guns as acts of female empowerment?

Armed 'Women for Trump' graduation pic generates hate

A University of Tennessee senior posted her graduation pictureon Twitter that featured her wearing a "Women for Trump" T-shirt and a gun in her waistband.

Writing, "I don't take normal graduation photos," Brenna Spencer immediately felt the wrath of gun control advocates.

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Ms. Spencer is carrying the gun legally and it is her Constitutional right to own one. To pretend that it's close to the end of the world that a picture with an attractive woman carrying a gun is posted on a popular social media platform only makes the critics look hysterical - which, of course, they are.

The fact that Ms. Spencer's picture went viral may encourage other young women to follow suit. If that happened, it would be worth all the criticism endured by this brave young woman.

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Tennessee college student defends her gun-toting ‘graduation’ photo

Alaska, lots of guns, and also the highest rape rate in the US, five times higher than NY state.

Me gets the feeling that the guns aren't going to empower women at all.

Yes....

1) Women have the lowest rate of concealed carry

2) Having your hunting rifle or shot gun back at the house doesn't stop the rapist in the alley....

That is why you need concealed carry of handguns...the one tool that stops rape...

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape

A woman using a gun is less likely to be raped and more likely to not be injured during the attack....

Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

 

[2aguy]

Except your accidental death by gunshot doesn’t happen if you don’t bring it into the house.

Yeah, and my accidental death by slipping in the bathtub and hitting my head doesn't happen if I never bathe.

What's your damned point? I'm supposed to live my life covered in bubble wrap and using kindergarten safety scissors, because if I never allow myself around anything remotely dangerous, nothing bad will ever happen?

Or, y'know, I could accept a reasonable amount of risk and exercise a reasonable amount of caution, like a grown-up.

I’ve mentioned it 12 times already….feel free to go back and try to comprehend.

"Mentioning" isn't the same as making sense.

As you have demonstrated.

Synopsis…stats show you’re less safe with a gun in the house. The OP is a failure. That being said, buy as many guns as you want.

Because gang members own guns and either use them to shoot others or are shot by others.

Geez, are you stupid?

Or they are used in suicides instead of using another method to kill themselves.

So, to make that stat accurate, one would say, that gang members and those hellbent on committing suicide are far less safe then the general public when a gun is in the House.

The odds for the rest of us are 1 in 300,000,000 on any given day.

And candycorn is a joke

Exactly, the research they do into guns in the home always hides the point that the ones doing the shooting in these homes have long histories of crime and violence as well as police contact, and will also likely have drug and alcohol abuse problems or mental health problems.....and then they use that to say that normal people will shoot each other over a burned dinner....

 

[Grumblenuts]

Indeed, all you "normal people"... Buy a gun today! This will never, ever happen. No way!:

According to police, Drum said she and her husband had been fighting about a casserole she burned that night. She said he began insulting her and cursing at her for her cooking, and they ended up in a bedroom.

She said her husband was sitting on the edge of the bed and she was standing over him when he pulled the gun from a holster.

 

[Grumblenuts]

If you are afraid of shooting yourself then don't buy a gun.

Oops, too late for Bernie Dinner up there. Darn!

 

[2aguy]

Indeed, all you "normal people"... Buy a gun today! This will never, ever happen. No way!:

According to police, Drum said she and her husband had been fighting about a casserole she burned that night. She said he began insulting her and cursing at her for her cooking, and they ended up in a bedroom.

She said her husband was sitting on the edge of the bed and she was standing over him when he pulled the gun from a holster.

Yeah...been through that particular incident....and as we have talked about with shootings in the home....the determining factor wasn't the gun...but the drug and alcohol abuse, the incidents of police visits, and the history of crime and violence by the occupants ......

and in your link....? Alcohol...

During later questioning at county police headquarters, Drum reportedly told detectives that she had drunk seven beers since 5 p.m., leaving her with a “buzz” but not intoxicated.

And, of course......the Centers For Disease Control state that Americans use guns for self defense 2.4 million times a year...the Department of Justice states it happens 1.5 million times a year.....both organizations were under the control of bill clinton when they did that research...

Here is a list of the other research...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[Flash]

Indeed, all you "normal people"... Buy a gun today! This will never, ever happen. No way!:

According to police, Drum said she and her husband had been fighting about a casserole she burned that night. She said he began insulting her and cursing at her for her cooking, and they ended up in a bedroom.

She said her husband was sitting on the edge of the bed and she was standing over him when he pulled the gun from a holster.

It won't happen if you don't do something stupid.

If you want to know how to safety handle a firearm then join the NRA. They are the largest gun safety organization in the world. They have all kinds of gun safety classes. You will have no excuse then.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Now, if you'd like to show me where I EVER set a specific time on WHEN some states allowed women to vote, and some didn't, then you just go right on with yourself. But I hope when it dawns on you that I didn't say that at all, and you merely PROJECTED that onto what I said, you'll have the intellectual honesty to admit your error.

But I won't hold my breath.

Great weaseling! So WHEN you said:

The Founders also didn't DENY women the vote. The original Constitution doesn't mention voting at all. Suffrage was considered something for the individual states to decide

WHO "considered" it so? And WHEN would that HAVE TO have been?

Quoth the Raven: "Oh for the love of Christ" .... "Start making sense."

Obviously, by all the people who created the laws so that suffrage was left up to the states, duhhh.

Good. So "The Founders" or as you so verbosely put it now, "all the people who created the laws so that suffrage was left up to the states" are WHO "considered" it so. Great! Making sense so far! And WHEN would that HAVE TO have been?

Crickets...

But oh, how the dissembling continues! Astounding!

 

[Grumblenuts]

Indeed, all you "normal people"... Buy a gun today! This will never, ever happen. No way!:

According to police, Drum said she and her husband had been fighting about a casserole she burned that night. She said he began insulting her and cursing at her for her cooking, and they ended up in a bedroom.

She said her husband was sitting on the edge of the bed and she was standing over him when he pulled the gun from a holster.

It won't happen if you don't do something stupid.

If you want to know how to safety handle a firearm then join the NRA. They are the largest gun safety organization in the world. They have all kinds of gun safety classes. You will have no excuse then.

Even if you aren't quite "normal"?

 

[Flash]

Indeed, all you "normal people"... Buy a gun today! This will never, ever happen. No way!:

According to police, Drum said she and her husband had been fighting about a casserole she burned that night. She said he began insulting her and cursing at her for her cooking, and they ended up in a bedroom.

She said her husband was sitting on the edge of the bed and she was standing over him when he pulled the gun from a holster.

It won't happen if you don't do something stupid.

If you want to know how to safety handle a firearm then join the NRA. They are the largest gun safety organization in the world. They have all kinds of gun safety classes. You will have no excuse then.

Even if you aren't quite "normal"?

You mean like somebody that voted for Obama and Crooked Hillary?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Yeah...been through that particular incident....and as we have talked about with shootings in the home....the determining factor wasn't the gun...but the drug and alcohol abuse, the incidents of police visits, and the history of crime and violence by the occupants ......

Just to reiterate or rephrase, you're saying the "the" (singular/definite article) "determining factor" in such shootings was a bunch of stuff that doesn't include a gun, correct?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Indeed, all you "normal people"... Buy a gun today! This will never, ever happen. No way!:

According to police, Drum said she and her husband had been fighting about a casserole she burned that night. She said he began insulting her and cursing at her for her cooking, and they ended up in a bedroom.

She said her husband was sitting on the edge of the bed and she was standing over him when he pulled the gun from a holster.

It won't happen if you don't do something stupid.

If you want to know how to safety handle a firearm then join the NRA. They are the largest gun safety organization in the world. They have all kinds of gun safety classes. You will have no excuse then.

Even if you aren't quite "normal"?

You mean like somebody that voted for Obama and Crooked Hillary?

Oh, jeez, don't forget the Orange Clown!

 

[2aguy]

Yeah...been through that particular incident....and as we have talked about with shootings in the home....the determining factor wasn't the gun...but the drug and alcohol abuse, the incidents of police visits, and the history of crime and violence by the occupants ......

Just to reiterate or rephrase, you're saying the "the" (singular/definite article) "determining factor" in such shootings was a bunch of stuff that doesn't include a gun, correct?

Yep.......considering that in homes where they don't abuse drugs and alcohol, where they don't have criminals with long histories of crime and violence and police contact...they aren't shooting each other over burnt dinners.......even when they own and even carry guns....

 

[Flash]

Indeed, all you "normal people"... Buy a gun today! This will never, ever happen. No way!:

According to police, Drum said she and her husband had been fighting about a casserole she burned that night. She said he began insulting her and cursing at her for her cooking, and they ended up in a bedroom.

She said her husband was sitting on the edge of the bed and she was standing over him when he pulled the gun from a holster.

It won't happen if you don't do something stupid.

If you want to know how to safety handle a firearm then join the NRA. They are the largest gun safety organization in the world. They have all kinds of gun safety classes. You will have no excuse then.

Even if you aren't quite "normal"?

You mean like somebody that voted for Obama and Crooked Hillary?

Oh, jeez, don't forget the Orange Clown!

Making America great again is only considered not normal by the extreme far Left. Better known as Democrats.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Yeah...been through that particular incident....and as we have talked about with shootings in the home....the determining factor wasn't the gun...but the drug and alcohol abuse, the incidents of police visits, and the history of crime and violence by the occupants ......

Just to reiterate or rephrase, you're saying the "the" (singular/definite article) "determining factor" in such shootings was a bunch of stuff that doesn't include a gun, correct?

Yep.......considering that in homes where they don't abuse drugs and alcohol, where they don't have criminals with long histories of crime and violence and police contact...they aren't shooting each other over burnt dinners.......even when they own and even carry guns....

So, if not burnt dinners, what do all these "normal people" shoot each other over in the home?

 

[2aguy]

Yeah...been through that particular incident....and as we have talked about with shootings in the home....the determining factor wasn't the gun...but the drug and alcohol abuse, the incidents of police visits, and the history of crime and violence by the occupants ......

Just to reiterate or rephrase, you're saying the "the" (singular/definite article) "determining factor" in such shootings was a bunch of stuff that doesn't include a gun, correct?

Yep.......considering that in homes where they don't abuse drugs and alcohol, where they don't have criminals with long histories of crime and violence and police contact...they aren't shooting each other over burnt dinners.......even when they own and even carry guns....

So, if not burnt dinners, what do all these "normal people" shoot each other over in the home?

Normal people don't.....drug addicts, alcoholics and criminals shoot each other because they have low impulse control...as demonstrated by their addiction to drugs, alcohol and their histories of crime and violence.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Indeed, all you "normal people"... Buy a gun today! This will never, ever happen. No way!:

It won't happen if you don't do something stupid.

If you want to know how to safety handle a firearm then join the NRA. They are the largest gun safety organization in the world. They have all kinds of gun safety classes. You will have no excuse then.

Even if you aren't quite "normal"?

You mean like somebody that voted for Obama and Crooked Hillary?

Oh, jeez, don't forget the Orange Clown!

Making America great again is only considered not normal by the extreme far Left. Better known as Democrats.

I make that set larger. We're called independents. We outnumber both disgusting, corporate owned parties, btw. And we're growing...

 

[candycorn]

Daft response….60% of the slaves were considered citizens…perhaps you should research it.

According to whom? And no, I will not be "researching" your unsubstantiated assertions. Either cite your source, or I will simply assume that your source is your own ass, from whence you pulled this.

The fraction 3/5 is 60%.

Which has what to do with citizenship?

Did you not take any history courses in school?

To satisfy the disagreement between whether slaves would be counted or not; the framers agreed to count 3/5 of them as citizens for the purpose of house representation.

No, they didn't agree to "count 3/5 of them as citizens". One is either a citizen, or one is not, rather like being pregnant. You cannot be "60 percent citizen", any more than you can be 60% pregnant. Slaves are, by definition, not citizens at all. They are property, much like a cow or a horse or a dog. That is the most basic essence of why slavery is evil and horrible.

The Three-Fifths Compromise, as it is called, dealt with apportioning representation in Congress. When the census was (and is) taken, it counts EVERYONE in the country, not just citizens. Back then, because there were slaves in the country, it counted up how many of them there were, as well. And since you apparently don't know this, apportionment in Congress includes everyone who resides in a district, citizen and non-citizen alike. The question at the time was whether or not that was going to be the case with slaves as well, since the slave population in some states was larger than that of non-slaves, and counting them toward apportionment would have given the slave states far more power in Congress.

The compromise (which is why it's called that) was to allow them to affect apportionment, but not to the same extent that a free person - citizen OR non-citizen - would, in order to lessen the amount of control the slave states would have.

It had nothing whatsoever to do with citizenship.

In other words, they treated them differently. Thanks for making my point for me.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Yeah...been through that particular incident....and as we have talked about with shootings in the home....the determining factor wasn't the gun...but the drug and alcohol abuse, the incidents of police visits, and the history of crime and violence by the occupants ......

Just to reiterate or rephrase, you're saying the "the" (singular/definite article) "determining factor" in such shootings was a bunch of stuff that doesn't include a gun, correct?

Yep.......considering that in homes where they don't abuse drugs and alcohol, where they don't have criminals with long histories of crime and violence and police contact...they aren't shooting each other over burnt dinners.......even when they own and even carry guns....

So, if not burnt dinners, what do all these "normal people" shoot each other over in the home?

Normal people don't.....drug addicts, alcoholics and criminals shoot each other because they have low impulse control...as demonstrated by their addiction to drugs, alcohol and their histories of crime and violence.

Cool. Wow, so "normal people" are really easy to identify! They don't suffer addictions, commit crimes, nor shoot each other. Hmm, still can't say for sure whether I've ever met such a person. Perhaps they all just shot themselves before we could mingle...

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Yep.......considering that in homes where they don't abuse drugs and alcohol, where they don't have criminals with long histories of crime and violence and police contact...they aren't shooting each other over burnt dinners.......even when they own and even carry guns....

I wish I was aware of this thread when it first started because I have a lot to say on the matter. Is there anyway to receive notifications when similar conversations begin?