Working Hard really doesn't pay off in the workplace

[fbj]

Just be glad that you don't work for me.......cause I would have fired your ass a long time ago. ....

No one wants to work at a taco stand

 

[sealybobo]

I'm buying the SuperDemocrat thing for sure.

Im going to stop working hard, let sales go down, and kiss my bosses ass and see where that gets me.

 

[sealybobo]

It has been my experience in life that working hard doesn't really pay off that much. The raises you get are not that much for the effort you put out to get one sometimes so I figure what is the point of all that hard work. Don't get me wrong. One should definitely work hard towards the goals they have in life because sometimes it is the only thing one can do in life but in work it rarely does. The amount of energy you put in usually doesn't equal the amount you get back in pay.

What does pay off is 'kissing ass'. I'm going to say this just once. Kissing ass works way better than working hard. Your bosses will think you are an awesome person because you say something nice to them. It is a little humiliating to but it works. You don't have to go overboard with it but it does work. It would be nice to live in a world where work alone will determine your success in the workplace but all your hard work will not pay off if YOUR BOSS HATES YOUR GUTS!

There is nothing in the world you can do at that point because your boss will never give you a break on anything. You may think your supervisor like you but they are playing the same game with you that you with them which is you pretend to be nice to everyone so your work thinks you are a team player. They won't say whether or not they hate you or not just like they won't say that to you so don't fool yourself into thinking that they like you because they happen to greet you when you come into work. Don't you do the same with employees that you don't like?

Your boss could be prejudice against you. I'm not talking about the race, religion, sexual orientation, etc, etc, but she could really hate short ugly men. Maybe your hair was messed up one day or you happen to have bad BO. It is all pretty superficial but it is f'n true. Human nature is pretty superficial. It is the reason we don't go outside in our underwear. We don't want other people to think we are retarded because we happen to go outside in the most efficient clothing style for how weather (maximizing skin surface area to cool you off).

Some people can look pass the superficialness and see the real you. Isn't it wonderful that those people exist? They don't exist at work. In fact, being judged by totally superficial standards seems to increase ten fold at work. A college degree gets you into higher places but people with college degrees can be pretty stupid sometimes as highlighted by videos where college graduates didn't know who christopher columbus is (they know who Karl Marx is though).

Lets not forget what your fellow co-workers will say about you. They hate you too! I'm not fucking kidding on this. They hate you as well and won't tell you. When you are about to get fired they will know and then they will unleash all the hate they wanted to unleash on you at that point. It then snowballs because they tell other people how much you suck as human being. They minute you say anything bad about them they accuse you of engaging in rumors. What the fuck have they been doing for the last five years with your life?

That is another thing. God damn hypocrisy of other human beings just seems rather unfair. They can rip into you 24/7 but the minute you say anything about them then they cry foul to the HR department. They are always the fuckin victim of you the minute you do the same shit they have been doing to you. Don't even bother hoping that HR will solve your issues in your favor. Don't waste your time. Occassionally you might run into one that really does help you but that is only because they are gay and they like you or you happen to be a hot babe that he wants to screw.

That is the only way you get anything special from your supervisor. The rule of thumb is hope you have a gay supervisor or you are a super hot chick. Then you get anything you ever want from them. Don't work hard just be sexy and the whole world will come to you because of universal law number 1 of human nature which is everyone wants to screw.

You are not talking about human nature, you have only revealed your own personal lack of character. Good 'work.'

At least he revealed something. Try it sometime.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Can you say - millennial? I think you need to change your screen name.

The knock on millennials is that they are unwilling to work hard and expect everything. That is generally true of everyone but why should people work hard and not what they get WHAT THEY WANT OUT OF IT. My employer expects to get what he wants out of the deal so why can't I. I wish workers in this country were more demanding so that wages would go up.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

I'm buying the SuperDemocrat thing for sure.

Im going to stop working hard, let sales go down, and kiss my bosses ass and see where that gets me.

You are directly rewarded by your effort with sales commission. I think if you are getting paid by the hour then just do the minimum and you will still be able to keep your job without having to tire yourself out.

 

[Sunni Man]

Just be glad that you don't work for me.......cause I would have fired your ass a long time ago. ....

No one wants to work at a taco stand

Don't worry fbj I wouldn't have fired you.

I believe in giving the handicapped employee extra slack at the work place. ...

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Here is a little advice and some reality for the OP.
First and foremost, for any business to work the employees must give more value to the company than they receive back. That is called profit, and profit is not an option. Businesses must make at least sustainable profits. Sustainable profit is a company that at least earns enough margin to finance their future existence. But no owner(s) want to just make enough to survive, they deserve more than you because they assume all of the risks of the company.
Second, you are wrong in virtually every point of your entire post. I am a great example of that myself.
I started at the bottom in my industry in my 20's. I did the grunt work for years and worked my way up because I was noticed. And I continually increased my value to my bosses through those years. By the time I was 40 I ran the business. And then I ran two.
In real life, withe very-very-very few exceptions when you consider the numbers, it takes time to grow. Particularly when you first start your career.

 

[sealybobo]

I'm buying the SuperDemocrat thing for sure.

Im going to stop working hard, let sales go down, and kiss my bosses ass and see where that gets me.

You are directly rewarded by your effort with sales commission. I think if you are getting paid by the hour then just do the minimum and you will still be able to keep your job without having to tire yourself out.

Then you won't get a raise in your annual review.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Can you say - millennial? I think you need to change your screen name.

The knock on millennials is that they are unwilling to work hard and expect everything. That is generally true of everyone but why should people work hard and not what they get WHAT THEY WANT OUT OF IT. My employer expects to get what he wants out of the deal so why can't I. I wish workers in this country were more demanding so that wages would go up.

Wages are not really what is wrong in today's employment. It is a problem, but not nearly as big as the disappearing benefits. Overall compensation is in a colossal decline - and that is something you don;t even hear about.

 

[fbj]

I would never take a sales job because it's a SINK or SWIM position which is not the type of job I want when trying to maintain independence. Too unstable

 

[sealybobo]

Can you say - millennial? I think you need to change your screen name.

The knock on millennials is that they are unwilling to work hard and expect everything. That is generally true of everyone but why should people work hard and not what they get WHAT THEY WANT OUT OF IT. My employer expects to get what he wants out of the deal so why can't I. I wish workers in this country were more demanding so that wages would go up.

I worked for a guy who kept promising more if/when I increased sales, so I did. Then he raised my goals and told me to hit those goals and he would pay me more. So I stopped trying. I stopped going above and beyond. I stopped treating his business like it were my own.

He used to have 3 locations now he has 2. He did that to himself the greedy fucker.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I would never take a sales job because it's a SINK or SWIM position which is not the type of job I want when trying to maintain independence. Too unstable

Sales is a great choice if you can do it.
Sales people often make more money than their bosses. It is a job where you are in total control of your own revenue. It is also a job with the greatest chance of climbing the ladder.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Here is a little advice and some reality for the OP.
First and foremost, for any business to work the employees must give more value to the company than they receive back. That is called profit, and profit is not an option. Businesses must make at least sustainable profits. Sustainable profit is a company that at least earns enough margin to finance their future existence. But no owner(s) want to just make enough to survive, they deserve more than you because they assume all of the risks of the company.
Second, you are wrong in virtually every point of your entire post. I am a great example of that myself.
I started at the bottom in my industry in my 20's. I did the grunt work for years and worked my way up because I was noticed. And I continually increased my value to my bosses through those years. By the time I was 40 I ran the business. And then I ran two.
In real life, withe very-very-very few exceptions when you consider the numbers, it takes time to grow. Particularly when you first start your career.

What you are saying is that you live for someone else's profit? You do realize that these companies don't really give a damn about you. I have no problem with companies making lots of money. I just don't think I exist to help them in their goals anymore than they think they exist to help me in mine.

 

[Sunni Man]

I would never take a sales job because it's a SINK or SWIM position which is not the type of job I want when trying to maintain independence. Too unstable

Lol.......you claim that you want independence.....yet you only want to work at a job where you can "depend" on a steady paycheck. ...... ..

 

[fbj]

I would never take a sales job because it's a SINK or SWIM position which is not the type of job I want when trying to maintain independence. Too unstable

Sales is a great choice if you can do it.
Sales people often make more money than their bosses. It is a job where you are in total control of your own revenue. It is also a job with the greatest chance of climbing the ladder.

I rather have it as a side job

 

[SuperDemocrat]

Can you say - millennial? I think you need to change your screen name.

The knock on millennials is that they are unwilling to work hard and expect everything. That is generally true of everyone but why should people work hard and not what they get WHAT THEY WANT OUT OF IT. My employer expects to get what he wants out of the deal so why can't I. I wish workers in this country were more demanding so that wages would go up.

I worked for a guy who kept promising more if/when I increased sales, so I did. Then he raised my goals and told me to hit those goals and he would pay me more. So I stopped trying. I stopped going above and beyond. I stopped treating his business like it were my own.

He used to have 3 locations now he has 2. He did that to himself the greedy fucker.

This should be a lesson to companies. Be honest.

 

[fbj]

I would never take a sales job because it's a SINK or SWIM position which is not the type of job I want when trying to maintain independence. Too unstable

Lol.......you claim that you want independence.....yet you only want to work at a job where you can "depend" on a steady paycheck. ...... ..

I'm a fan of ongoing employment

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Here is a little advice and some reality for the OP.
First and foremost, for any business to work the employees must give more value to the company than they receive back. That is called profit, and profit is not an option. Businesses must make at least sustainable profits. Sustainable profit is a company that at least earns enough margin to finance their future existence. But no owner(s) want to just make enough to survive, they deserve more than you because they assume all of the risks of the company.
Second, you are wrong in virtually every point of your entire post. I am a great example of that myself.
I started at the bottom in my industry in my 20's. I did the grunt work for years and worked my way up because I was noticed. And I continually increased my value to my bosses through those years. By the time I was 40 I ran the business. And then I ran two.
In real life, withe very-very-very few exceptions when you consider the numbers, it takes time to grow. Particularly when you first start your career.

What you are saying is that you live for someone else's profit? You do realize that these companies don't really give a damn about you. I have no problem with companies making lots of money. I just don't think I exist to help them in their goals anymore than they think they exist to help me in mine.

Fair enough, but don't judge every company by your limited experience with one.
Go to work somewhere else. Find somewhere where you are appreciated. I refuse to work for large corporations. I have turned down numerous offers over the years that were far more lucrative financially than working for smaller/private companies for the reasons you state above. Perhaps you need to find a smaller company to work for.

 

[sealybobo]

I would never take a sales job because it's a SINK or SWIM position which is not the type of job I want when trying to maintain independence. Too unstable

Not all sales jobs suck. The one I have now is great because they were expecting 50 in sales and I'm giving them 70-100.

And this will get me a raise next year.

But a lot of companies today treat their salespeople like crap. If you hit your goals they raise your goals the following year so your job gets harder and you make less.

Another company I worked for years ago is cutting into my buddies pay and he is there number one guy. What's he gonna do he's 59 years old? Where's he gonna go?

 

[fbj]

I would never take a sales job because it's a SINK or SWIM position which is not the type of job I want when trying to maintain independence. Too unstable

Not all sales jobs suck. The one I have now is great because they were expecting 50 in sales and I'm giving them 70-100.

And this will get me a raise next year.

But a lot of companies today treat their salespeople like crap. If you hit your goals they raise your goals the following year so your job gets harder and you make less.

Another company I worked for years ago is cutting into my buddies pay and he is there number one guy. What's he gonna do he's 59 years old? Where's he gonna go?

I don't have to worry about hitting goals everyday which is less stressful