Would a Progressive Society be a Free Society?

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You guys have a habit of redefining free speech.

For example, you think you have a freedom to speak on private social media websites. You dont.

Okay, Saul.


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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

If you want to see what kind of society an American progressive ruled society would look like - look no further than college campuses.
All non compliant speech - banned and people saying them exiled.
All non compliant forms of expression shunned and banned.
Accepted opinions are not allowed to be questioned.
Violence against the non compliant is acceptable within limits.
Etc. Etc.
It would be a very ugly society filled with hate, intolerance and anyone could become a target at any moment... even years later if they said something and that becomes non compliant speech later.

This would be the world.




And he says, "I meant to kick your phone", as if that makes it all better.





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[j-mac]

You redefined feee speech. Free speech exists in public spaces.

Social media is private space. I can’t come to your front lawn and say whatever I want against your will.

Wrong….As long as you’re on a public sidewalk, or roadway you most certainly can. Wasn’t that your argument when the leftist, baby killing, dirtbags went to the Justices houses?
You people make me sick with your double standards.

 

[sparky]

This would be the world.

wow.....i would hope the real men watching didn't wait for the cops.......~S~

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

wow.....i would hope the real men watching didn't wait for the cops.......~S~

I'm lucky. I live in a part of the country that still has real men!

That little two-legged vomit bucket would have bled well.


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[CowboyTed]

Agree 100%.

Nevertheless, if one party secures all means of online communication, that would make our Society Totalitarian.

For a long time, all Social Media giants had a lot of Freedom -- like this forum. Then Progressives started whining about it and pressuring Social Media to ban anyone who disagrees with them. They succeeded to a great degree until Alternative Media started getting prominence.

Again we have proven what you are saying as crap...

Advertisers dictate what goes on Social Media and they don't want to back a dumpster fire of misinformation..

Advertisers don't there brand to be associated with lies about vaccine which is killing people, lies about elections, lies about racism... They know that lies don't age well..
They don't want to be associated with positions which will become highly unpopular when people figure out the truth...

So this is why you are getting kicked off Social Media... Twitter tried to buck the trend and give credibility to the liars and the Advertisters said that they ain't paying for that..

 

[sparky]

i'm often at odds with parsing out the patriots from the jingoists here ~S~

 

[sparky]

You people make me sick with your double standards.

as in freedom AND security?

~S~

 

[sparky]

Again we have proven what you are saying as crap...

Advertisers dictate what goes on Social Media and they don't want to back a dumpster fire of misinformation..

Advertisers don't there brand to be associated with lies about vaccine which is killing people, lies about elections, lies about racism... They know that lies don't age well..
They don't want to be associated with positions which will become highly unpopular when people figure out the truth...

So this is why you are getting kicked off Social Media... Twitter tried to buck the trend and give credibility to the liars and the Advertisters said that they ain't paying for that..

but....who watches the watchers Ted?

~S~

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

as in freedom AND security?

~S~

What's amusing is that they constantly demand both and understand the meaning of neither.


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[22lcidw]

If one party secures all means of online communication, then they're doing a China. Simply said if that happens you have a one party state without any freedom of speech. The US is nowhere near that. I mean, so far from that it's impossible to imagine the US ending up there.
Get this. Elon Musk, starting to become a bit like Trump.

Elon Musk reinstates Donald Trump’s Twitter account after taking poll

‘The people have spoken,’ says site’s owner, having acknowledged during online poll that automated bots were voting too

www.theguardian.com

He reinstated Trump's twitter account. Then went and banned Kanye West's account.
Elon Musk suspends Kanye West from Twitter for inciting violence

Is Twitter all online communication? No. I don't use it, it's an awful thing.
Does anyone control anywhere near enough of the internet to have that power? No. Never will unless the government forces it on people, like WeChat in China.

Progs have created "The Purge Light" in their areas. In the movies of course it's the Prog entertainment shills who produce propaganda condemning conservatives who have done very little to cause the hysterical times we live in. But the reality is the Socialist Communists as we see. Every day "The Purge Light" shows itself in Prog areas as the Prog media/entertainment shills then obediently follow their masters demands to destroy those who voice concerns.

 

[j-mac]

as in freedom AND security?

~S~

By whos definition? Yours?

 

[Marener]

Which we know is bullshit because people on the right have been kicked off when telling the truth that hurt the left.

But as I stated earlier, the Republicans will be looking into a lot of things next month, and I can't wait to hear what these 14 FBI agents turned whistleblowers have to say about all this. Maybe the real red wave will be what Musk is going to reveal along with those agents which may happen all at the same time.

Every time someone like yourself says “we know” the next phrase is almost always not true.

 

[Marener]

Wrong….As long as you’re on a public sidewalk, or roadway you most certainly can. Wasn’t that your argument when the leftist, baby killing, dirtbags went to the Justices houses?
You people make me sick with your double standards.

What double standards exactly?

Social media is a private space. Public sidewalks are a public space.

Conservatives think they have free speech on social media but not on public sidewalks. They have it backwards.

 

[CowboyTed]

but....who watches the watchers Ted?

~S~

Advertisers are what capitalism is about. If you do things they don't like then they will move their money...

Lets the Market decide has been the way it has been and the way it will be...

 

[CowboyTed]

Progs have created "The Purge Light" in their areas. In the movies of course it's the Prog entertainment shills who produce propaganda condemning conservatives who have done very little to cause the hysterical times we live in. But the reality is the Socialist Communists as we see. Every day "The Purge Light" shows itself in Prog areas as the Prog media/entertainment shills then obediently follow their masters demands to destroy those who voice concerns.

How many fucking times do we have to explain it to you...

Advertisers run the internet... They are the ones paying the piper... If they don't want there name associated with a bunch of racist insurgents it is their money...

Advertiser can take his business to anyone they like... Social Media companies know that (except Musk seemingly) and are spending billions trying to keep there clean and informative...

This drives the people who are invested in lies nuts... They are not asking for proof or evidence but are going to stop people blatantly lying on their platform. That is their right...

Valuation slides at Donald Trump’s Truth Social network

The company that operates Truth Social reached a valuation of $15bn (€15bn) in October 2021. It is now valued at just over $2bn.

www.irishexaminer.com

Some companies have to learn the hard way..

 

[Curried Goats]

How many fucking times do we have to explain it to you...

Advertisers run the internet... They are the ones paying the piper... If they don't want there name associated with a bunch of racist insurgents it is their money...

Advertiser can take his business to anyone they like... Social Media companies know that (except Musk seemingly) and are spending billions trying to keep there clean and informative...

This drives the people who are invested in lies nuts... They are not asking for proof or evidence but are going to stop people blatantly lying on their platform. That is their right...

Valuation slides at Donald Trump’s Truth Social network

The company that operates Truth Social reached a valuation of $15bn (€15bn) in October 2021. It is now valued at just over $2bn.

www.irishexaminer.com

Some companies have to learn the hard way..

These lovers of free market capitalism seem entirely confused by how it operates.

 

[TNHarley]

Do you mean actual progressivism or this authoritarian rip off leftists claim?
Real progressivism would be individual liberty. The current regressives are authoritarian shit stains.

 

[j-mac]

What double standards exactly?

Social media is a private space. Public sidewalks are a public space.

Conservatives think they have free speech on social media but not on public sidewalks. They have it backwards.

Here is twitters mission statement…

“The mission we serve as Twitter, Inc. is to give everyone the power to create and share ideas and information instantly without barriers. Our business and revenue will always follow that mission in ways that improve – and do not detract from – a free and global conversation.”

Do you believe they are following that in light of what’s been exposed?

I don’t…As a result I support removing their 230 exemptions…

Further, that a politicized FBI, and the Biden WH continued to direct twitter to remove tweets that didn’t conform to their narratives is a textbook violation of citizens rights.

 

[Marener]

Here is twitters mission statement…

“The mission we serve as Twitter, Inc. is to give everyone the power to create and share ideas and information instantly without barriers. Our business and revenue will always follow that mission in ways that improve – and do not detract from – a free and global conversation.”

Do you believe they are following that in light of what’s been exposed?

I don’t…As a result I support removing their 230 exemptions…

Further, that a politicized FBI, and the Biden WH continued to direct twitter to remove tweets that didn’t conform to their narratives is a textbook violation of citizens rights.

I think Twitter doesn’t want to be used by bad actors to spread misinformation and manipulate people.

I also think that Twitter has a point when they say that targeted harassment suppresses free expression.

I also think that Biden and Trump had both asked Twitter to remove certain content. In fact, I know that happened.