Would obamacare have passed without the "keep your plan" lie?

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Or was it his job to keep people below minimum wage?

he did the right thing

it was an illegal strike

An illegal strike? Strikes by there very nature are illegal. Reagan went beyond his executive power by displacing those people. People who only asked for a better standard of living...

This thread is about Obamacare. Let's stay on the thread title subject.
 
Or was it his job to keep people below minimum wage?

he did the right thing

it was an illegal strike
True, thus putting the airlines in a bind with thousands of cancelled flights. In 1955, Congress made such strikes punishable by fines or a one-year jail term, a law the Supreme Court upheld in 1971.

The supreme court itself works on the basis of 9 people. 9 people cannot represent the interests of 300 million. Even then "higher law" dictates that people should have the right to assemble and "strike".
 
he did the right thing

it was an illegal strike
True, thus putting the airlines in a bind with thousands of cancelled flights. In 1955, Congress made such strikes punishable by fines or a one-year jail term, a law the Supreme Court upheld in 1971.

9 people cannot represent the interests of 300 million.
So what would your solution be to solving where the SCOTUS could be able to represent the interests of 300 million people?
 
he did the right thing

it was an illegal strike
True, thus putting the airlines in a bind with thousands of cancelled flights. In 1955, Congress made such strikes punishable by fines or a one-year jail term, a law the Supreme Court upheld in 1971.

The supreme court itself works on the basis of 9 people. 9 people cannot represent the interests of 300 million. Even then "higher law" dictates that people should have the right to assemble and "strike".

Who said they represent 300 million people? Their role is to judge cases involving laws of Congress to be in check with the highest law of all, the Constitution.
 
Of course not. The point of the lie was to convince americans they had nothing to lose. "If you don't like our new plans, you can stick with your old plan. How can you lose?

That the president ‘lied’ is obviously a lie.

If you like your current insurance, you may keep it, the president was correct and he wasn’t ‘lying.’

If the insurance you have fails to meet the coverage requirement mandated by the ACA, you may be subject to the same fee charged to those without insurance at all, but you don't have to 'cancel' the policy:

Health plans that don't meet minimum essential coverage don't qualify as coverage in 2014. If you have only these types of coverage, you may have to pay the fee.

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-...-coverage-in-2014/#13838036785041&74|noscroll

Of course, it’s ignorant rightwing idiocy to clam that the government can ‘force’ a private citizen to cancel a policy he has with a private insurance company; or it’s willful ignorance and partisan demagoguery on the part of conservatives who know this, but lie about it for some perceived political gain anyway.

So one is at liberty to keep his current policy, paying both the premium and possible penalty if that’s his decision.
 
True, thus putting the airlines in a bind with thousands of cancelled flights. In 1955, Congress made such strikes punishable by fines or a one-year jail term, a law the Supreme Court upheld in 1971.

9 people cannot represent the interests of 300 million.
So what would your solution be to solving where the SCOTUS could be able to represent the interests of 300 million people?

The judiciary must merely interpret laws. Justice Roberts himself admits that he merely calls the "balls and strikes". Congress may have passed legislation in 1955, but must remember that the constitution is an evolving document. Just because the Alien & Sedition acts were passed doesn't mean they are right, just like the espionage act. Laws are defined only by their "higher law".
 
Ame®icano;8111314 said:
True, thus putting the airlines in a bind with thousands of cancelled flights. In 1955, Congress made such strikes punishable by fines or a one-year jail term, a law the Supreme Court upheld in 1971.

The supreme court itself works on the basis of 9 people. 9 people cannot represent the interests of 300 million. Even then "higher law" dictates that people should have the right to assemble and "strike".

Who said they represent 300 million people? Their role is to judge cases involving laws of Congress to be in check with the highest law of all, the Constitution.

We have a democratic republic. If they don't represent the people they obviously don't belong. Also, the constitution is not the highest law of all, Higher law is. The constitution merely serves as framework.
 
Ame®icano;8111314 said:
The supreme court itself works on the basis of 9 people. 9 people cannot represent the interests of 300 million. Even then "higher law" dictates that people should have the right to assemble and "strike".

Who said they represent 300 million people? Their role is to judge cases involving laws of Congress to be in check with the highest law of all, the Constitution.

. If they don't represent the people they obviously don't belong.
So again, what would your solution be to dealing with them when they 'obviously' don't belong?
 
Ame®icano;8111314 said:
Who said they represent 300 million people? Their role is to judge cases involving laws of Congress to be in check with the highest law of all, the Constitution.

. If they don't represent the people they obviously don't belong.
So again, what would your solution be to dealing with them when they 'obviously' don't belong?

The solution would be to limiting justices to 1-year terms, with a 2-year max tenure.
 
Of course not. The point of the lie was to convince americans they had nothing to lose. "If you don't like our new plans, you can stick with your old plan. How can you lose?

That the president ‘lied’ is obviously a lie.

If you like your current insurance, you may keep it, the president was correct and he wasn’t ‘lying.’

If the insurance you have fails to meet the coverage requirement mandated by the ACA, you may be subject to the same fee charged to those without insurance at all, but you don't have to 'cancel' the policy:

Health plans that don't meet minimum essential coverage don't qualify as coverage in 2014. If you have only these types of coverage, you may have to pay the fee.

https://www.healthcare.gov/what-if-...-coverage-in-2014/#13838036785041&74|noscroll

Of course, it’s ignorant rightwing idiocy to clam that the government can ‘force’ a private citizen to cancel a policy he has with a private insurance company; or it’s willful ignorance and partisan demagoguery on the part of conservatives who know this, but lie about it for some perceived political gain anyway.

So one is at liberty to keep his current policy, paying both the premium and possible penalty if that’s his decision.

The problem is that coverage requirement before the law was passed was within "if you like your insurance". Requirements thru regulations were written and rewritten after lie was sold/bought and bill signed into law.
 
Why is everyone blaming the president? Last I remember the president executes laws, not creating them.


He was in the thick of it with lies from start to finish, pushing it before it was passed against the groundswell of objection across the nation, and spending taxpayer money on his "you'd like it if you were smart enough to understand it" tour.

His administration is the one who took the lies all the way to the Supreme Court.

His administration is the one who threatened insurance providers who tried to tell the truth about it.

His administration is the one which set up a hotline for people call in to report when someone told the truth about the legislation. Which of course he painted as a lie. But which even the complicit media now admits.



And as to executing laws -- he's the one who has been changing laws from the oval office, not executing them in good faith, but bending or breaking them for his political advantage.

Woah buddy, I see a lot of opinions, and not enough sources. I understand your anger for universal healthcare being dumbed down because of staunch conservative opposition but don't you think this is way out of proportion? Obama is a bad president but not because of this little lie. Remember he still has us in war against "terrorists", and kept the bush tax cuts.


"this little lie"

Which lie do you consider little? Obama has told so many of varying sizes, in connection with O-care and in many other connections. Which particular "little lie" are you poopooing.
 
Had they told the truth about the law, it wouldn't have passed. But then again, when you have majorities in both houses, you can pass it anyway, circa 2009.



If they told the truth, they couldn't have passed it even with the majorities.

They were having a hard time getting their ducks in a row. Telling the truth about the taxes and the coverage would have ended the matter.
 
Ame®icano;8111314 said:
The supreme court itself works on the basis of 9 people. 9 people cannot represent the interests of 300 million. Even then "higher law" dictates that people should have the right to assemble and "strike".

Who said they represent 300 million people? Their role is to judge cases involving laws of Congress to be in check with the highest law of all, the Constitution.

We have a democratic republic. If they don't represent the people they obviously don't belong. Also, the constitution is not the highest law of all, Higher law is. The constitution merely serves as framework.

I already explain to you what SCOTUS role is. SCOTUS does not represent people. Congress does.

Btw, what law of the land is higher then the Constitution?
 

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