WTF? Democrat House Judiciary Committee Takes First Step to Hold Bill Barr in Contempt of Congress

[iceberg]

They're digging their own grave.

then we should just stay out of their way and let them dig.

how is anyone getting in their way? no one I've seen. they are all on for destruction of themselves.

um...just a random comment and ...

nevermind.

 

[ph3iron]

Stupid Resolution that means nothing as you cannot hold one in contempt for following The Law, when you are asking the to Break The Law.

The New York Times will commit another act of Espionage and release the Unredacted Version anyways....so what is the big deal?

if you have the proper clearance, you get to see the full report. That simple.

MAGA?
Our WWII Nazi group name?
Oh, you knew??!!

 

[jc456]

They're digging their own grave.

then we should just stay out of their way and let them dig.

how is anyone getting in their way? no one I've seen. they are all on for destruction of themselves.

um...just a random comment and ...

nevermind.

well it was a bit more than we are, but it was its intent. we are!!!

 

[WEATHER53]

This is all the Dems have. Their desperation is so obvious. The economy is doing great, no new stupid wars, America is becoming great again, and they can’t stand it.

Let the petulant children throw their hissy fits all the until Election Day.

In the end run we conservative are kind people and we will let them participate in the benefits of what Trump is doing even though they are kicking and screaming ingrates.

What is trump doing again?
Fewer jobs than Obama created?
Knees news didn't tell you?
Makes you feel more of a white rube?

Better than a colored boy dummy like you.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You clearly are not familiar with the Barr memo you are laughing about. If you were, you wouldn't post such nonsense. Here is a link to the memo and he clearly says a president can be guilty of obstruction and cites the relevant laws and federal court decisions. He makes two important points, that the definition of obstruction Mueller seems to be using has no precedent and there is no case law to support it, and that if Mueller was never investigating a crime, then there can be no obstruction. Read it - you don't have to look up every law or court decision Barr cites to understand his argument - and then maybe you will be able to post an intelligent comment on this subject. Here's the link.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...j-mue/b4c05e39318dd2d136b3/optimized/full.pdf

STOP

1. Barr specifically lobbied for AG position by writing a letter to Trump all about how he could not possibly commit Obstruction of Justice if he obstructed by using on-it's-face normal powers.

According to this crazy fucking theory of presidency, Trump could pocket money from someone (legal) interested in firing an FBI director, and fire FBI director (legal). To all of sane world that is a crime called bribery. But to Barr that is a nothing-to-see-here since you have to infer President's corrupt intent.

2. BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE. Barr did not simply present Mueller point of view and then offered his disgreement, Barr MISREPRESENTED Mueller's position that it was up to Congress (NOT AG!!!) to hold Trump accountable for the obstructive episodes report documents.

If you read his 4 page summary you come away with an impression that Mueller could not come to prosecuratorial descision, when in reality his position was that he CAN'T make a negative prosecutorial descision about a sitting POTUS.

Mueller himself wrote a letter of concern to Barr over this.

3. Barr's last testimony full of evasive manuevering and deciet made it perfectly clear to anyone who was not yet convinced that Barr is not there to serve the country as much as he was there to Roy Cohn for Trump.

In other words, you haven't read Barr's memo but you have strong opinions about it anyway. That's a definition of bigotry. While Mueller may not have been able to indict Trump while he was in office,, nothing prevented him from concluding Trump was guilty of obstruction and should be indicted when he leaves office if the evidence supported such a conclusion; the fact that Mueller never reached that conclusion shows he did not believe the evidence supported it.

As for Mueller's position on allowing Congress to decide, it was improper for him to suggest it in his report, since his job ended when he turned in the report. The real reason Mueller didn't offer an opinion on obstruction is that as Barr's memo pointed out the expanded definition of obstruction Mueller was using had no precedent in law and no case law to support it.

this is EXACTLY the misrepresentation of Muller’s position I was talking about.

NO, him not reaching a conclusion WAS NOT due to lack of evidence but due to his belief that it is not proper for him, an unelected person, to make a negative prosecutorial judgement on a sitting president.

You can agree with that view, you can disagree with that view, but Barr very specifically mislead the country on Special Prosecutor’s position.

Nice twisting of logic. Sorry, but that letter indicated Mueller was unappy with the MEDIA's misrepresenting the report, not Barr.

BULLFUCKINGSHIT. Did you READ THE LETTER? Nothing about any media in it.

And hey I've got a very simple way for us, and the rest of America to fully settle this one - HAVE MUELLER TESTIFY.

The fact that Trump's admin is fighting tooth and nail to prevent that from happenning should tell you all you need to know.

I've got an even more simple way for us, and the rest of America, to fully settle this: FUCKING ACCEPT THAT YOU LOST.

 

[ph3iron]

This is all the Dems have. Their desperation is so obvious. The economy is doing great, no new stupid wars, America is becoming great again, and they can’t stand it.

Let the petulant children throw their hissy fits all the until Election Day.

I don't get it.
If reading and showing taxes is so pro the blob why isn't he dying to release them?

 

[ph3iron]

This is all the Dems have. Their desperation is so obvious. The economy is doing great, no new stupid wars, America is becoming great again, and they can’t stand it.

Let the petulant children throw their hissy fits all the until Election Day.

In the end run we conservative are kind people and we will let them participate in the benefits of what Trump is doing even though they are kicking and screaming ingrates.

What is trump doing again?
Fewer jobs than Obama created?
Knees news didn't tell you?
Makes you feel more of a white rube?

Better than a colored boy dummy like you.

Thanks for confirming zero college
Looked up the job creation yet??

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Barr testified before the mature branch of government, no need to stand for cross examination by the junior house. The little boys and girls should be focusing on issues that directly impact their constituents and stop wasting time with political gamesmanship.

Barr lied to congress and is too chicken to go before a panel led by Democrats who won't let him get away with it. He white washed the Mueller report to protect the so called president . He needs to be held in contempt and we need to see the full report. He and T-Rump are terrified of that prospect.

Trump Would Have Been Charged With Obstruction If He Weren't President, Former U.S. Prosecutors Say | HuffPost

President Donald Trump’s conduct as outlined in special counsel Robert Mueller’s report would have led to obstruction of justice charges if he were not a sitting president, hundreds of former federal prosecutors said in a statement Monday.

“Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice,” said the statement, which was posted online after garnering at least 375 signatures.

Oh, yeah, if some lawyers handpicked by Hufflepuff Post who were not in any way involved in the investigation say that they're "sure" this is what really happened, then that constitutes irrefutable proof, because OBVIOUSLY they know more.

Is that anything like when John Kerry tried to tell us that the exit polls knew more about whether or not he won the election than the actual ballot counts?

Right slick!! The Huff Post hand picked all of those hundreds of former prosecutors and had them write that letter. That is idiotic!

 

[BlindBoo]

Trumpybear can only delay its release to the committees.

Looks like the DOJ is aiding the President in obstructing the House of Representatives ability to carry out it's constitutional responsibility. They need to see all the evidence, in un-redacted form, to decide whether or not to impeach Dirty Don.

What's he trying to hide?

 

[jc456]

Barr testified before the mature branch of government, no need to stand for cross examination by the junior house. The little boys and girls should be focusing on issues that directly impact their constituents and stop wasting time with political gamesmanship.

Barr lied to congress and is too chicken to go before a panel led by Democrats who won't let him get away with it. He white washed the Mueller report to protect the so called president . He needs to be held in contempt and we need to see the full report. He and T-Rump are terrified of that prospect.

Trump Would Have Been Charged With Obstruction If He Weren't President, Former U.S. Prosecutors Say | HuffPost

President Donald Trump’s conduct as outlined in special counsel Robert Mueller’s report would have led to obstruction of justice charges if he were not a sitting president, hundreds of former federal prosecutors said in a statement Monday.

“Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice,” said the statement, which was posted online after garnering at least 375 signatures.

Oh, yeah, if some lawyers handpicked by Hufflepuff Post who were not in any way involved in the investigation say that they're "sure" this is what really happened, then that constitutes irrefutable proof, because OBVIOUSLY they know more.

Is that anything like when John Kerry tried to tell us that the exit polls knew more about whether or not he won the election than the actual ballot counts?

Right slick!! The Huff Post hand picked all of those hundreds of former prosecutors and had them write that letter. That is idiotic!

let's see their signatures. post them

 

[jc456]

Trumpybear can only delay its release to the committees.

Looks like the DOJ is aiding the President in obstructing the House of Representatives ability to carry out it's constitutional responsibility. They need to see all the evidence, in un-redacted form, to decide whether or not to impeach Dirty Don.

What's he trying to hide?

naw, the congress doesn't trump the DOJ, no matter how many times you wish to write it.

 

[WEATHER53]

This is all the Dems have. Their desperation is so obvious. The economy is doing great, no new stupid wars, America is becoming great again, and they can’t stand it.

Let the petulant children throw their hissy fits all the until Election Day.

In the end run we conservative are kind people and we will let them participate in the benefits of what Trump is doing even though they are kicking and screaming ingrates.

What is trump doing again?
Fewer jobs than Obama created?
Knees news didn't tell you?
Makes you feel more of a white rube?

Better than a colored boy dummy like you.

Thanks for confirming zero college
Looked up the job creation yet??

Sing Old Man River for us.

 

[Edgetho]

Two examples demonstrate House Democrats’ true motivation. One, as they hurl vicious personal attacks on Barr, calling him a liar and various other slurs and fixating on his March 24 letter to Congress, House Democrats conveniently ignore that 92 percent of the report has been available to the American public to review for weeks. They hope by repeating their invective to create a new political “fire” because the report itself did not provide them the fuel to keep their Russian collusion and obstruction of justice narrative of the past two and a half years going through the 2020 election.

Two, Barr has provided a less redacted version of the report to congressional leaders, with all the redactions removed except those required by federal law as pertaining to grand jury material, and every single Democratic leader has refused to view it. If they were truly interested in the truth, instead of a political witch hunt, they would have welcomed the opportunity to see even more of the report.

dimocraps are the scum of the Earth.

Especially the ones that vote dimocrap.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Barr testified before the mature branch of government, no need to stand for cross examination by the junior house. The little boys and girls should be focusing on issues that directly impact their constituents and stop wasting time with political gamesmanship.

Barr lied to congress and is too chicken to go before a panel led by Democrats who won't let him get away with it. He white washed the Mueller report to protect the so called president . He needs to be held in contempt and we need to see the full report. He and T-Rump are terrified of that prospect.

Trump Would Have Been Charged With Obstruction If He Weren't President, Former U.S. Prosecutors Say | HuffPost

President Donald Trump’s conduct as outlined in special counsel Robert Mueller’s report would have led to obstruction of justice charges if he were not a sitting president, hundreds of former federal prosecutors said in a statement Monday.

“Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice,” said the statement, which was posted online after garnering at least 375 signatures.

Oh, yeah, if some lawyers handpicked by Hufflepuff Post who were not in any way involved in the investigation say that they're "sure" this is what really happened, then that constitutes irrefutable proof, because OBVIOUSLY they know more.

Is that anything like when John Kerry tried to tell us that the exit polls knew more about whether or not he won the election than the actual ballot counts?

Right slick!! The Huff Post hand picked all of those hundreds of former prosecutors and had them write that letter. That is idiotic!

let's see their signatures. post them

OK, here ya go Popeye STATEMENT BY FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTORS

 

[iceberg]

Trumpybear can only delay its release to the committees.

Looks like the DOJ is aiding the President in obstructing the House of Representatives ability to carry out it's constitutional responsibility. They need to see all the evidence, in un-redacted form, to decide whether or not to impeach Dirty Don.

What's he trying to hide?

can you please explain why the 2nd version without anywhere NEAR the redactions are simply not enough for you or the dems?

didn't think so.

 

[Cecilie1200]

You clearly are not familiar with the Barr memo you are laughing about. If you were, you wouldn't post such nonsense. Here is a link to the memo and he clearly says a president can be guilty of obstruction and cites the relevant laws and federal court decisions. He makes two important points, that the definition of obstruction Mueller seems to be using has no precedent and there is no case law to support it, and that if Mueller was never investigating a crime, then there can be no obstruction. Read it - you don't have to look up every law or court decision Barr cites to understand his argument - and then maybe you will be able to post an intelligent comment on this subject. Here's the link.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...j-mue/b4c05e39318dd2d136b3/optimized/full.pdf

STOP

1. Barr specifically lobbied for AG position by writing a letter to Trump all about how he could not possibly commit Obstruction of Justice if he obstructed by using on-it's-face normal powers.

According to this crazy fucking theory of presidency, Trump could pocket money from someone (legal) interested in firing an FBI director, and fire FBI director (legal). To all of sane world that is a crime called bribery. But to Barr that is a nothing-to-see-here since you have to infer President's corrupt intent.

2. BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE. Barr did not simply present Mueller point of view and then offered his disgreement, Barr MISREPRESENTED Mueller's position that it was up to Congress (NOT AG!!!) to hold Trump accountable for the obstructive episodes report documents.

If you read his 4 page summary you come away with an impression that Mueller could not come to prosecuratorial descision, when in reality his position was that he CAN'T make a negative prosecutorial descision about a sitting POTUS.

Mueller himself wrote a letter of concern to Barr over this.

3. Barr's last testimony full of evasive manuevering and deciet made it perfectly clear to anyone who was not yet convinced that Barr is not there to serve the country as much as he was there to Roy Cohn for Trump.

In other words, you haven't read Barr's memo but you have strong opinions about it anyway. That's a definition of bigotry. While Mueller may not have been able to indict Trump while he was in office,, nothing prevented him from concluding Trump was guilty of obstruction and should be indicted when he leaves office if the evidence supported such a conclusion; the fact that Mueller never reached that conclusion shows he did not believe the evidence supported it.

As for Mueller's position on allowing Congress to decide, it was improper for him to suggest it in his report, since his job ended when he turned in the report. The real reason Mueller didn't offer an opinion on obstruction is that as Barr's memo pointed out the expanded definition of obstruction Mueller was using had no precedent in law and no case law to support it.

this is EXACTLY the misrepresentation of Muller’s position I was talking about.

NO, him not reaching a conclusion WAS NOT due to lack of evidence but due to his belief that it is not proper for him, an unelected person, to make a negative prosecutorial judgement on a sitting president.

You can agree with that view, you can disagree with that view, but Barr very specifically mislead the country on Special Prosecutor’s position.

What a completely ass-backward load of horseshit. I can't decide if you're really that fucking stupid, or just pathetically willing to look that stupid in service of your masters.

Hope they at least give you a Snausage, Fido.

Ok retard, come back when you can put togather a constructive response.

Okay, retard. Come back when you can post something that deserves a more "constructive" response.

 

[BlindBoo]

Trumpybear can only delay its release to the committees.

Looks like the DOJ is aiding the President in obstructing the House of Representatives ability to carry out it's constitutional responsibility. They need to see all the evidence, in un-redacted form, to decide whether or not to impeach Dirty Don.

What's he trying to hide?

naw, the congress doesn't trump the DOJ, no matter how many times you wish to write it.

The DOJ doesn't Trump the Constitution.

 

[WEATHER53]

Trumpybear can only delay its release to the committees.

Looks like the DOJ is aiding the President in obstructing the House of Representatives ability to carry out it's constitutional responsibility. They need to see all the evidence, in un-redacted form, to decide whether or not to impeach Dirty Don.

What's he trying to hide?

Prove yourself innocent of our suspicions you are trying to hide something
Lib and communism 101

 

[busybee01]

Trump asserts executive privilege to keep full Mueller report SECRET as Bill Barr held in CONTEMPT | Daily Mail Online

If anyone should be held in Contempt it should be Nadler for criminally demanding the US AG break the law and for affecting this criminal political theatrical performance of voting Barr in Contempt for refusing to break the law by handing over information Nadler knows he has no legal right to see!

There is a much less redacted version of the report Nadler could have seen by now, but he has refused to do so because he knows there is nothing in it. Only this continuous political theater of false accusations and bogus Contempt Charges can keep the traitor-supporting snowflakes holding on while they continue to undermine the US govt / this administration and attempt to continue their e posed coup.

You are the only traitor that I know of. You are the one who is attempting a coup. The Congress as part of its oversight duties have every right to see the unredacted report to ensure that the redactions are not used to change meanings. That is a part of their CONSTITUTIONALLY mandated oversight powers. Barr is the one violating the Constitution.

 

[jc456]

Barr testified before the mature branch of government, no need to stand for cross examination by the junior house. The little boys and girls should be focusing on issues that directly impact their constituents and stop wasting time with political gamesmanship.

Barr lied to congress and is too chicken to go before a panel led by Democrats who won't let him get away with it. He white washed the Mueller report to protect the so called president . He needs to be held in contempt and we need to see the full report. He and T-Rump are terrified of that prospect.

Trump Would Have Been Charged With Obstruction If He Weren't President, Former U.S. Prosecutors Say | HuffPost

President Donald Trump’s conduct as outlined in special counsel Robert Mueller’s report would have led to obstruction of justice charges if he were not a sitting president, hundreds of former federal prosecutors said in a statement Monday.

“Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice,” said the statement, which was posted online after garnering at least 375 signatures.

Oh, yeah, if some lawyers handpicked by Hufflepuff Post who were not in any way involved in the investigation say that they're "sure" this is what really happened, then that constitutes irrefutable proof, because OBVIOUSLY they know more.

Is that anything like when John Kerry tried to tell us that the exit polls knew more about whether or not he won the election than the actual ballot counts?

Right slick!! The Huff Post hand picked all of those hundreds of former prosecutors and had them write that letter. That is idiotic!

let's see their signatures. post them

OK, here ya go Popeye STATEMENT BY FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTORS

why didn't they influence Mueller then? hmmmm it seems they are all fairly close to what happened. how did Mueller conclude no obstruction? are they all saying Mueller and his team of prosecutors were all incompetent?

So for 25 million we got incompetence?