YES, America CERTAINLY WAS FOUNDED as a CHRISTIAN NATION...

[JakeStarkey]

Deflection from the original argument. The separation of church and state is real. You will never change it.

Indeed, the FFs would not have wanted the government in the hands of the far right christians today. But if they had achieved dominion, they would be stopped by the Constitution. That is exactly what has happened in the last several decades.

Evidence/links?

The "gov't" has been in the hands of the far left for decades. Kill the babies, spare the murderers. Child rape is not really a crime, because the child was dress seductively. The left's favorite sexual predator will be giving the keynote address at the democrat convention. Interfere with religions by writing a law that FORCES people to go against their religions, etc, etc, etc.

Or are you suggesting that trying to protect "babies" is a terrible, terrible crime?

Your intelectual dishonesty and deceit continue.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Answered several times over so you are moving the goal posts. Wrong.

The information that several were not Christian has been provided to you over and over.

Yet you provide no evidence where these strong, opinionated FF declared themselves to be atheists or not to believe in the Savior, Yeshua.

No where is there a quote attributed to the names you listed stating that they were not Christians, or that they did not believe in Yeshua.

In other words, you are blowing smoke.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The question was answered several times with credible evidence and now you are deflecting with an attempt of changing the goal posts. Wrong.

The information that several were not Christian has been provided to you over and over.

No where is there a quote attributed to the names you listed stating that they were not Christians, or that they did not believe in Yeshua.

In other words, you are blowing smoke.

In other words he is being Jake "the Poop Flinging Monkey" Starkey.

 

[logical4u]

Study the LDS history from the 1830s through 1900. Study the murders of LDS missionaries and LDS followers simply because of their religion in Mormon Menace.

Can you present any evidence where those "atrocities" (most likely, asking some to leave, in a rude manner)that took place after the signing of the Constitution?

And those were done "in the name of the Lord"? They were yelling "this is God's will" as they were doing this?

 

[logical4u]

The evidence is clear that Jefferson was not a Christian, which you asked for. Now you want to move the goal post. Wrong.

The evidence that Jefferson was not a Christian has been posted several times above.

You are not allowed to keep asking for material with which you disagree.

Overruled and dismissed.

No, there was no evidence where Jefferson declared himself NOT to be a Christian, or NOT to believe in Yeshua.

Pretty simple to provide if he documented his faith like he did everything else he believed....

No, there was no evidence where Jefferson declared himself NOT to be a Christian, or NOT to believe in Yeshua.

Pretty simple to provide if he documented his faith like he did everything else he believed....

 

[JakeStarkey]

By not invading a country that did not send the plane bombers and that did not give money for the operation and did not plan the operation.

You far right fundies are so pitiful at this.

The liberal mindset: there was absolutely no al Qaeda in Iraq despite the evidence, but hides quaking in shadows from something that simply doesnt exist, the 'Christian Taliban'.

Of course, I doubt you mean a word of what you say as this discussion has degenerated into a poop flinging fest and you will say whatever to make the desired effect.

But there is no Christian Taliban. If there were, secular Nazis wouldnt be fucking with Christians as much as they do, in the same way they avoid fucking with the Muslims.

But dont wait too long before the reigning secular intolerance does in fact produce a Christian Taliban, and you will then be complaining of something that is of your own making.

I’m not sure how you missed it but your argument self-refutes: “no al Qaeda in Iraq despite the evidence”.

I suppose the chronic internecine hate-fest that causes the sunni holy warriors toward mass killings of Shiites is all just a conspiracy.

The subtle threats are interesting. The Taliban make similar threats: “hey, don’t attempt to confront our proscription for following the example of a 7th century warlord “prophet”. If you try and stop us, we can’t be held responsible for our actions”.

Oh my, you poor, oppressed Christians. Was the Dubya’ administrations holy war in Iraq not enough fun?

So Hollie, how would "you" suggest we deal with people that kill over 3000 American citizens in under one hour?

 

[logical4u]

You were answered and now you are moving the goal posts. Wrong.

Hogwash, logical4u, you should have your mouth washed out with soap.

The Puritans hung witches and Quakers for practicing their faiths.

The Congregationalists made it hard on Baptists in Connecticut.

In Virginia, failure to take your child to church on two separate complaints could have your child removed from your custody.

Mormons were driven from Missouri and Illinois, and persecuted in Utah Territory, where the Mormons did a good job of persecuting back.

You simply must key away without thinking.

Give me the number of deaths, and those that comitted "atrocities" chanting "it is God's will".

No, Hollie compared Christians to muslims, and I am looking for a documented parallel, so far, nada.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, the murders were religiously based. That answers your question.

Study the LDS history from the 1830s through 1900. Study the murders of LDS missionaries and LDS followers simply because of their religion in Mormon Menace.

Can you present any evidence where those "atrocities" (most likely, asking some to leave, in a rude manner)that took place after the signing of the Constitution?

And those were done "in the name of the Lord"? They were yelling "this is God's will" as they were doing this?

 

[logical4u]

Given above several times.

I do find it interesting that you would compare some of your co-religionists to Islamic fundies. There is, among the more excitable of the fundie Christians in the this country, a certain fondness for the same attitudes embraced by the Taliban.

Fortunately, we in this nation have a secular government that serves to throttle the Christian Taliban.

Have you ever considered that among the reasons the FF’s realized the need for a secular constitution was precisely the behavior of Christians in the early settlements? Those lovely folks were just as intolerant and hateful as folks like you.

Still waiting for you to provide any evidence of Christians doing the same terroristic crimes against those in their community since the signing of the Constitution.

Refresh my memory, the facts were? dates? numbers killed?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are now lying. Anyone can read above and find the evidence that Jefferson wrote he did not believe in the Resurrection, in Miracles, in the Virgin Birth, and the fables of Christian priest craft.

Jefferson did write that he thought Jesus the perfect moral philosopher. But you will nothing that attests to Jefferson's witness of Jesus as Son of God.

The evidence is clear that Jefferson was not a Christian, which you asked for. Now you want to move the goal post. Wrong.

No, there was no evidence where Jefferson declared himself NOT to be a Christian, or NOT to believe in Yeshua.

Pretty simple to provide if he documented his faith like he did everything else he believed....

No, there was no evidence where Jefferson declared himself NOT to be a Christian, or NOT to believe in Yeshua.

Pretty simple to provide if he documented his faith like he did everything else he believed....

 

[logical4u]

Deflection from the original argument. The separation of church and state is real. You will never change it.

Indeed, the FFs would not have wanted the government in the hands of the far right christians today. But if they had achieved dominion, they would be stopped by the Constitution. That is exactly what has happened in the last several decades.

Evidence/links?

The "gov't" has been in the hands of the far left for decades. Kill the babies, spare the murderers. Child rape is not really a crime, because the child was dress seductively. The left's favorite sexual predator will be giving the keynote address at the democrat convention. Interfere with religions by writing a law that FORCES people to go against their religions, etc, etc, etc.

Or are you suggesting that trying to protect "babies" is a terrible, terrible crime?

Your intelectual dishonesty and deceit continue.

You are wrong, the thread is about a "Christian" nation, not a secular gov't.

 

[logical4u]

Answered several times over so you are moving the goal posts. Wrong.

The information that several were not Christian has been provided to you over and over.

No where is there a quote attributed to the names you listed stating that they were not Christians, or that they did not believe in Yeshua.

In other words, you are blowing smoke.

No where is there a quote attributed to the names you listed stating that they were not Christians, or that they did not believe in Yeshua.

In other words, you are blowing smoke,

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nope, you do your due diligence because it has been posted several times.

Knuckle dragging is not an acceptable excuse, not in your high school where you attend and not on this board.

Given above several times.

Still waiting for you to provide any evidence of Christians doing the same terroristic crimes against those in their community since the signing of the Constitution.

Refresh my memory, the facts were? dates? numbers killed?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Most of us have agreed that the USA is generally a nation of Christians.

Deflection from the original argument. The separation of church and state is real. You will never change it.

Evidence/links?

The "gov't" has been in the hands of the far left for decades. Kill the babies, spare the murderers. Child rape is not really a crime, because the child was dress seductively. The left's favorite sexual predator will be giving the keynote address at the democrat convention. Interfere with religions by writing a law that FORCES people to go against their religions, etc, etc, etc.

Or are you suggesting that trying to protect "babies" is a terrible, terrible crime?

Your intelectual dishonesty and deceit continue.

You are wrong, the thread is about a "Christian" nation, not a secular gov't.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You will not be allowed to knuckle drag, either in your high school where you attend or here. The posts were made several times above. Go look for them.

Answered several times over so you are moving the goal posts. Wrong.

No where is there a quote attributed to the names you listed stating that they were not Christians, or that they did not believe in Yeshua.

In other words, you are blowing smoke.

No where is there a quote attributed to the names you listed stating that they were not Christians, or that they did not believe in Yeshua.

In other words, you are blowing smoke,

 

[logical4u]

By not invading a country that did not send the plane bombers and that did not give money for the operation and did not plan the operation.

You far right fundies are so pitiful at this.

I’m not sure how you missed it but your argument self-refutes: “no al Qaeda in Iraq despite the evidence”.

I suppose the chronic internecine hate-fest that causes the sunni holy warriors toward mass killings of Shiites is all just a conspiracy.

The subtle threats are interesting. The Taliban make similar threats: “hey, don’t attempt to confront our proscription for following the example of a 7th century warlord “prophet”. If you try and stop us, we can’t be held responsible for our actions”.

Oh my, you poor, oppressed Christians. Was the Dubya’ administrations holy war in Iraq not enough fun?

So Hollie, how would "you" suggest we deal with people that kill over 3000 American citizens in under one hour?

Thank you for your answer "Hollie".

I did not ask you what you would NOT do, I asked what you would do. Do you understand english?

 

[logical4u]

Yes, the murders were religiously based. That answers your question.

Study the LDS history from the 1830s through 1900. Study the murders of LDS missionaries and LDS followers simply because of their religion in Mormon Menace.

And those were done "in the name of the Lord"? They were yelling "this is God's will" as they were doing this?

I thought they were based on economics or territory.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What you asked is immaterial, because you don't understand the basics.

When the Bushies stupidly invaded Iraq the end result was the election of Obama.

By not invading a country that did not send the plane bombers and that did not give money for the operation and did not plan the operation.

You far right fundies are so pitiful at this.

So Hollie, how would "you" suggest we deal with people that kill over 3000 American citizens in under one hour?

Thank you for your answer "Hollie".

I did not ask you what you would NOT do, I asked what you would do. Do you understand english?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Go ask your high school history teacher.

You need to stop listening to folks in your immediate circle and start reading critically.

Yes, the murders were religiously based. That answers your question.

And those were done "in the name of the Lord"? They were yelling "this is God's will" as they were doing this?

I thought they were based on economics or territory.

 

[logical4u]

You are now lying. Anyone can read above and find the evidence that Jesus wrote he did not believe in the Resurrection, in Miracles, in the Virgin Birth, and the fables of Christian priest craft.

Jefferson did write that he thought Jesus the perfect moral philosopher. But you will nothing that attests to Jefferson's witness of Jesus as Son of God.

The evidence is clear that Jefferson was not a Christian, which you asked for. Now you want to move the goal post. Wrong.

No, there was no evidence where Jefferson declared himself NOT to be a Christian, or NOT to believe in Yeshua.

Pretty simple to provide if he documented his faith like he did everything else he believed....

You have a typo.

Jefferson attended church. Not an atheist church, not a deist church, but a Christian church. He never wrote that he was NOT a Christian. For a man that was so opinionated, you would think if he felt that way, he would have written it or spoken about it, publicly.
Still, no evidence.