Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

[OKTexas]

No... US statutory law says that.

Please show the law...

Link to people stuck in fucking airports or shut the fuck up.....thanks....

Do you understand how a time line works?

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens
14 (f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
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Not one word in there about people stuck in airports being excluded.
Not one word in there about rogue judges overruling or invoking stays.
Not one word about judicial review or making a case.

But you don't get it... his reason is based on their religion. He can't do that... He can't prove they will be detrimental based on their religion. People are innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around.

It's never been based on religion numbnuts,it's based on location.

Bullshit... he's campaigned on a Muslim ban and a Muslim registry.

Talk means nothing, what was put in writing?

 

[TNHarley]

yet, somehow, it didn't apply to Indians and blacks? I guess it just meant white, asian and latino people?
Idiot.

It DID apply to blacks. The entire purpose of the 14th was to prevent southern states from denying equal protection to former slaves who while free had never been citizens. It did not apply to native americans because Indian Territory were soverign nations with their own laws. The 14 STILL doesn't apply there. Of course it applies to Native American living in the states.

fair enough!

 

[miketx]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

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That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

They have the right to stay in their own fucking country and fix it.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

this is correct, illegals do have certain rights in this country.
They have a right to a trial to prove they are here illegally, then they get shipped out.
That is the only right extended to them.

 

[OKTexas]

But you don't get it... his reason is based on their religion. He can't do that... He can't prove they will be detrimental based on their religion. People are innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around.

First of all, no it's not... that is nowhere in the EO.

Second of all... it doesn't matter, he has authority under the statute to make whatever determination on whatever basis he deems appropriate.

And again... you are trying to apply Constitutional rights to people we can't enforce our Constitution on. I'm sorry the US doesn't control the rest of the world. Maybe it wouldn't be such a violent shithole over there if we could apply the US Constitution across the Arab world... but we can't and we don't.

The president does not have to prove any damn thing. When you start making this insane demand regarding our national security, you're putting our nation at risk. We can't expect our intelligence agencies to just fork over all their information for everyone to see, so that YOU can be okay with it! Things HAVE to remain classified and we HAVE to maintain secrecy because we have agents in the field who's lives are at risk if they are compromised.

My god... I am grateful as hell you idiots didn't win this election! How the hell did we make it through the last 8 years?

It's funny you fucks complained for 8 years that Obama over reached his authority with Executive Orders and now you are saying that the President can do whatever the fuck he wants with them. Am I in some episode of the Twilight Zone? Now you are bringing up shot about secret agents in the field that have NOTHING to do with this order... You think that the travel ban has to do with Secret agents in the field? Are you trying to connect the dots going from A to K to F to Z to Y to B?

Feel free to show where the statute defers to the judgment of anyone other than the president.

Lahota already did that in the OP

Wrong, the OP deals with illegals, we are talking about the so called travel ban.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

And these people are not in our country yet.

Or are you saying the Constitution covers the entire world ?

Of course he is.....these mutts have no idea what they're talking about...never have, never will. One of them said the other day that the Constitution is "our TREATY with the world"...I about died laughing.

It's becsuse the dimwit,democrats don't ubderstand what under the jurisdiction means.

 

[easyt65]

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

1. ""No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States"
- Illegals / refuges / foreigners are not 'citizens'

2. "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
- The only right established for illegals / refugees / foreigners is the right of DUE PROCESS. NO OTHER RIGHTS other than DUE PROCESS / LEGAL RIGHTS are established

This does not make coming to the United States a Right
This does not give them the RIGHT to welfare, unemployment, social security, Obama-phones, health care, etc....

Thank you for making that clear.

 

[Lakhota]

Illegal aliens have the right to due process of law.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Illegal aliens have the right to due process of law.

that means court and shipped out.
does not mean school, medical, housing, food, cell phones, the right to vote. It means court, and shipped the fuck back where their nasty unwashed disease infested ass came from.
Im tired of having to replace the grill on my truck from hitting them when they cross the road.

 

[Lakhota]

Is it illegal to murder an illegal alien for no reason other than bigotry? If so - why?

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Is it illegal to murder an illegal alien for no reason other than bigotry?

Dont see why it should be. its not like they are really humans, they lose that status as soon as they come here or overstay illegally

 

[Lakhota]

Is it illegal to murder an illegal alien for no reason other than bigotry?

Dont see why it should be. its not like they are really humans, they lose that status as soon as they come here or overstay illegally

Not according to the Constitution.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Is it illegal to murder an illegal alien for no reason other than bigotry?

Dont see why it should be. its not like they are really humans, they lose that status as soon as they come here or overstay illegally

Not according to the Constitution.

liberals have no right to point to the constitution now after bastardizing it for the last 8 years. Americans are in charge now. Sit back and see how the country is supposed to be run.

 

[Chuz Life]

Illegal aliens have the right to due process of law.

That's "within our jurisdiction."

Right?

In fact, ALL human beings / persons are entitled to those protections under the 14th Amendment!

Correct?

That includes not only illegal aliens but legal aliens and ALL others too!

All human beings!

That's regardless of race, religion, age or even stage of development.

Right?


I'm glad that you and so many others are starting to see how broad and inclusive the language is.

So, any law or Supreme Court ruling that runs counter to that Constitutional edict would be Un-Constitutional.

Wouldn't it?

 

[Chuz Life]

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[Lakhota]

Illegal aliens have the right to due process of law.

That's "within our jurisdiction."

Right?

In fact, ALL human beings / persons are entitled to those protections under the 14th Amendment!

Correct?

That includes not only illegal aliens but legal aliens and ALL others too!

All human beings!

That's regardless of race, religion, age or even stage of development.

Right?


I'm glad that you and so many others are starting to see how broad and inclusive the language is.

So, any law or Supreme Court ruling that runs counter to that Constitutional edict would be Un-Constitutional.

Wouldn't it?

Duh, that is correct, Captain Obvious. That's the point of this thread.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Illegal aliens have the right to due process of law.

That is true...when they are here.

Not there.

 

[Chuz Life]

Illegal aliens have the right to due process of law.

That's "within our jurisdiction."

Right?

In fact, ALL human beings / persons are entitled to those protections under the 14th Amendment!

Correct?

That includes not only illegal aliens but legal aliens and ALL others too!

All human beings!

That's regardless of race, religion, age or even stage of development.

Right?


I'm glad that you and so many others are starting to see how broad and inclusive the language is.

So, any law or Supreme Court ruling that runs counter to that Constitutional edict would be Un-Constitutional.

Wouldn't it?

Duh, that is correct, Captain Obvious. That's the point of this thread.

Good to know we are on the same page then.

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[longknife]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

More w/Supporting Cases: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

Are you so brain dead that you could not see the words "citizen of the United States?"

 

[Andylusion]

Illegal aliens have the right to due process of law.

Thanks for the brilliant insight of repeating what we just said.

Due process... meaning we establish you are here illegally, and ship your butt out.