Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

[Lakhota]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

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That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

Are you so brain dead that you could not see the words "citizen of the United States?"

Are you so brain dead that you couldn't comprehend the words in the OP? Really?

 

[longknife]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

More w/Supporting Cases: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

Are you so brain dead that you could not see the words "citizen of the United States?"

Are you so brain dead that you couldn't comprehend the words in the OP? Really?

What an absolutely brilliant reply. (Not)

 

[Wiskers Von Pussyboots]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

More w/Supporting Cases: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

And yes, we have the constitutional right to send them packing, regardless of the amount of taxpayer subsidized citizens they produce.

 

[Lakhota]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

More w/Supporting Cases: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

And yes, we have the constitutional right to send them packing, regardless of the amount of taxpayer subsidized citizens they produce.

Just don't harm them - because they have constitutional rights.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

More w/Supporting Cases: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

And yes, we have the constitutional right to send them packing, regardless of the amount of taxpayer subsidized citizens they produce.

Just don't harm them - because they have constitutional rights.

Only if they can get to a court.

 

[Wiskers Von Pussyboots]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

More w/Supporting Cases: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

And yes, we have the constitutional right to send them packing, regardless of the amount of taxpayer subsidized citizens they produce.

Just don't harm them - because they have constitutional rights.

Only when they resist arrest in a violent manner. Then they get to be roughed up and deported.

 

[Chuz Life]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

More w/Supporting Cases: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

And yes, we have the constitutional right to send them packing, regardless of the amount of taxpayer subsidized citizens they produce.

Just don't harm them - because they have constitutional rights.

Unless. . .

Unless they are in the womb. . . .

THOSE human beings are just fucked.

Right?

How comforting. Illegal Aliens have more Constitutional rights than an innocent child in the womb.

So much for the equal protections premise of the 14th I guess.

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[Wiskers Von Pussyboots]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

More w/Supporting Cases: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

And yes, we have the constitutional right to send them packing, regardless of the amount of taxpayer subsidized citizens they produce.

Just don't harm them - because they have constitutional rights.

Unless. . .

Unless they are in the womb. . . .

THOSE human beings are just fucked.

Right?

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Abortion should be free, subsidized, and easy to obtain. The most likely party to benefit from the outlawing of abortion are democrats. Children born to ignorant welfare queens will only grow up to mimick the dependent behavior of their parents. Children born to women who don't want them are doomed to fail, become dependent on the state, and therefore vote for democrats and have more dependent children. The cycle continues. Subsidize the hell out of it! We have nothing to lose but millions of potential democrat voters.

Just think of how many democrat voters this wench created! Abortion should be the only free government healthcare we provide! There should be a planned parenthood clinic right across the street of every McDonald's and Walmart. There should be free abortion coupons printed from the receipts of every business in America.

 

[Dschrute3]

No, they don't. They're intentionally breaking our laws. They're criminals. It's time for change. Time to secure our border.

 

[Chuz Life]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

More w/Supporting Cases: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

And yes, we have the constitutional right to send them packing, regardless of the amount of taxpayer subsidized citizens they produce.

Just don't harm them - because they have constitutional rights.

Unless. . .

Unless they are in the womb. . . .

THOSE human beings are just fucked.

Right?

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Abortion should be free, subsidized, and easy to obtain. The most likely party to benefit from the outlawing of abortion are democrats. Children born to ignorant welfare queens will only grow up to mimick the dependent behavior of their parents. Children born to women who don't want them are doomed to fail, become dependent on the state, and therefore vote for democrats and have more dependent children. The cycle continues. Subsidize the hell out of it! We have nothing to lose but millions of potential democrat voters.

Just think of how many democrat voters this wench created! Abortion should be the only free government healthcare we provide! There should be a planned parenthood clinic right across the street of every McDonald's and Walmart. There should be free abortion coupons printed from the receipts of every business in America.

Why not?

It's not like the 14th applies to THOSE human beings or anything.

"Somebody needs to pay!"


Priceless

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[Wiskers Von Pussyboots]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

More w/Supporting Cases: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

And yes, we have the constitutional right to send them packing, regardless of the amount of taxpayer subsidized citizens they produce.

Just don't harm them - because they have constitutional rights.

Unless. . .

Unless they are in the womb. . . .

THOSE human beings are just fucked.

Right?

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Abortion should be free, subsidized, and easy to obtain. The most likely party to benefit from the outlawing of abortion are democrats. Children born to ignorant welfare queens will only grow up to mimick the dependent behavior of their parents. Children born to women who don't want them are doomed to fail, become dependent on the state, and therefore vote for democrats and have more dependent children. The cycle continues. Subsidize the hell out of it! We have nothing to lose but millions of potential democrat voters.

Just think of how many democrat voters this wench created! Abortion should be the only free government healthcare we provide! There should be a planned parenthood clinic right across the street of every McDonald's and Walmart. There should be free abortion coupons printed from the receipts of every business in America.

Why not?

It's not like the 14th applies to THOSE human beings or anything.

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Those human beings are three to four times as likely to come for my wallet when they reach the age of 18. Better to have abortion than to be enslaved by poverty of others.

 

[Unkotare]

Is it illegal to murder an illegal alien for no reason other than bigotry?

Dont see why it should be. its not like they are really humans, they lose that status as soon as they come here or overstay illegally

Some people just can't discuss anything to do with immigration without wallowing in asinine, emo-queen nonsense.

 

[Boss]

YOU DID make that argument... you said that until the courts rule they are people they are no different than Native Americans back before they were considered people. YOU made that argument...

Well you'll need to post my direct quote where I said that because I fucking DIDN'T!

Until Congress legislates they are citizens, they're NOT. It's not up to a fucking court. We have a legislative branch to pass laws. Courts don't pass laws.

You say that the President's power to make that Executive order on the travel ban is given to him by an enumerated power of congress to make the statutory law that they did... Now simple fucking question, does the Judicial Branch of the government have the power to rule on its constitutionality or not as part of the checks and balances system?

No, they don't. It's an enumerated power of Congress. It's like their power to declare wars. The court has no oversight on wars do they? Can a judge issue a stay on a declaration of war?

If we were talking about a civil or regulatory law that had nothing to do with enumerated powers of Congress, the judiciary would have oversight. But this is an enumerated power under Article I Sec. 8. The President also has enumerated powers under Article II Sec. 2. The courts simply have no authority interceding Constitutionally enumerated powers of the other two branches. It's like trying to say that a President can "overrule" a SCOTUS decision if he wants to.... checks and balances... checks and balances! Now how stupid would you think that was if someone made that argument?

 

[Boss]

If you are on American soil you do have Constitutional rights whether you are a citizen or not. There are some limits however.

*SIGH*

You have limited Constitutional rights to due process because we grant them to you as a matter of public policy and statutory law. It's not because the Constitution guarantees them.

IT SAYS IT IN THE CONSTITUTION.... Can you fucking read!?!?!?

The Constitution applies to CITIZENS and foreign nationals. It's up to Congress to decide issues of Naturalization... Article I Sec. 8. No one else gets to do this... it's an enumerated power of Congress.

Now, way back, Congress passed a statutory law, much like the one Trump used for his EO, which allows for affording due process rights to illegal aliens. They didn't do this because the Constitution said they had to, they did it because it seemed like a more humane idea than shooting them in the fucking head when they crossed the border. But that does not make them citizens or foreign nationals. There is a process for becoming a naturalized citizen and a foreign national is someone here legally on a visa or work permit.

 

[Lewdog]

YOU DID make that argument... you said that until the courts rule they are people they are no different than Native Americans back before they were considered people. YOU made that argument...

Well you'll need to post my direct quote where I said that because I fucking DIDN'T!

Until Congress legislates they are citizens, they're NOT. It's not up to a fucking court. We have a legislative branch to pass laws. Courts don't pass laws.

You say that the President's power to make that Executive order on the travel ban is given to him by an enumerated power of congress to make the statutory law that they did... Now simple fucking question, does the Judicial Branch of the government have the power to rule on its constitutionality or not as part of the checks and balances system?

No, they don't. It's an enumerated power of Congress. It's like their power to declare wars. The court has no oversight on wars do they? Can a judge issue a stay on a declaration of war?

If we were talking about a civil or regulatory law that had nothing to do with enumerated powers of Congress, the judiciary would have oversight. But this is an enumerated power under Article I Sec. 8. The President also has enumerated powers under Article II Sec. 2. The courts simply have no authority interceding Constitutionally enumerated powers of the other two branches. It's like trying to say that a President can "overrule" a SCOTUS decision if he wants to.... checks and balances... checks and balances! Now how stupid would you think that was if someone made that argument?

You know how the President has his power of checks and balances over the judicial branch... Trump is trying to use it right now by appointing Gorsuch.

Let me ask you this... are you saying Trump's Executive Order isn't really an executive order then?

YOU JUST ARGUED THAT YOU NEVER SAID ILLEGAL ALENS AREN'T PEOPLE UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT RULES THEY ARE PEOPLE... then you post:

"Until Congress legislates they are citizens, they're NOT. It's not up to a fucking court. We have a legislative branch to pass laws. Courts don't pass laws."

Are you drunk?

 

[The Original Tree]

They have the right to get shot if they trespass on my property.

 

[Boss]

YOU DID make that argument... you said that until the courts rule they are people they are no different than Native Americans back before they were considered people. YOU made that argument...

Well you'll need to post my direct quote where I said that because I fucking DIDN'T!

Until Congress legislates they are citizens, they're NOT. It's not up to a fucking court. We have a legislative branch to pass laws. Courts don't pass laws.

You say that the President's power to make that Executive order on the travel ban is given to him by an enumerated power of congress to make the statutory law that they did... Now simple fucking question, does the Judicial Branch of the government have the power to rule on its constitutionality or not as part of the checks and balances system?

No, they don't. It's an enumerated power of Congress. It's like their power to declare wars. The court has no oversight on wars do they? Can a judge issue a stay on a declaration of war?

If we were talking about a civil or regulatory law that had nothing to do with enumerated powers of Congress, the judiciary would have oversight. But this is an enumerated power under Article I Sec. 8. The President also has enumerated powers under Article II Sec. 2. The courts simply have no authority interceding Constitutionally enumerated powers of the other two branches. It's like trying to say that a President can "overrule" a SCOTUS decision if he wants to.... checks and balances... checks and balances! Now how stupid would you think that was if someone made that argument?

You know how the President has his power of checks and balances over the judicial branch... Trump is trying to use it right now by appointing Gorsuch.

Let me ask you this... are you saying Trump's Executive Order isn't really an executive order then?

YOU JUST ARGUED THAT YOU NEVER SAID ILLEGAL ALENS AREN'T PEOPLE UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT RULES THEY ARE PEOPLE... then you post:

"Until Congress legislates they are citizens, they're NOT. It's not up to a fucking court. We have a legislative branch to pass laws. Courts don't pass laws."

Are you drunk?

Nope. Presidents only nominate SC justices. They have to be approved by Congress. How is that a "check" on the judicial branch? We have three coequal branches. The court is not a superior branch. In fact, the judicial branch is technically designed to be the weakest of the three. The Congress is the strongest because they pass the legislation. But even though the Congress is stronger, none are superior over the other two.

We seem to be having trouble with words tonight. Apparently, they didn't hand out your jello cup today and your brain is tired. Do you not comprehend that "persons" and "citizens" are two completely different things?

Illegal aliens are not citizens. They ARE persons.

 

[Boss]

Let me ask you this... are you saying Trump's Executive Order isn't really an executive order then?

Huh???

Where the fuck are you getting this shit? It's not from anything I am posting.

Seems like you are just wildly fucking imagining shit and then spewing it out as if I said it!

What the hell is up with that? You tugging on the crack pipe tonight?

 

[Skull Pilot]

These words, from Section One of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution rank along with the Constitution's Bill of Rights as — in these precincts — the most important in world and American history:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.​

The critics all claim that undocumented workers or immigrants or migrants — whichever label is the flavor of the day — don't have legal rights because they are lawbreakers by entering the country illegally and owe no loyalty to the United States. They claim that only U.S. citizens (natural born or naturalized) are protected by the Constitution. The critics are not only wrong — they are really, truly and sincerely wrong.

The U.S. Supreme Court settled the issue well over a century ago. But even before the court laid the issue to rest, a principal author of the Constitution, James Madison, the second president of the United States, wrote: "that as they [aliens], owe, on the one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled, in return, to their [constitutional] protection and advantage."

More recently, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001) that "due process" of the 14th Amendment applies to all aliens in the United States whose presence maybe or is "unlawful, involuntary or transitory."

In summary, the entire case of illegal aliens being covered by and protected by the Constitution has been settled law for 129 years and rests on one word: "person." It is the word "person" that connects the dots of "due process" and "equal protection" in the 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution and it is those five words that make the Constitution of the United States and its 14th amendment the most important political document since the Magna Carta in all world history.

"Aliens," legal and illegal, have the full panoply of constitutional protections American citizens have with three exceptions: voting, some government jobs and gun ownership (and that is now in doubt) — Glenn Beck and others notwithstanding.

More w/Supporting Cases: Yes, illegal aliens have constitutional rights

That should be clear enough for everyone to understand.

Right up until the time they are deported and yes illegal aliens should be deported

 

[Lewdog]

YOU DID make that argument... you said that until the courts rule they are people they are no different than Native Americans back before they were considered people. YOU made that argument...

Well you'll need to post my direct quote where I said that because I fucking DIDN'T!

Until Congress legislates they are citizens, they're NOT. It's not up to a fucking court. We have a legislative branch to pass laws. Courts don't pass laws.

You say that the President's power to make that Executive order on the travel ban is given to him by an enumerated power of congress to make the statutory law that they did... Now simple fucking question, does the Judicial Branch of the government have the power to rule on its constitutionality or not as part of the checks and balances system?

No, they don't. It's an enumerated power of Congress. It's like their power to declare wars. The court has no oversight on wars do they? Can a judge issue a stay on a declaration of war?

If we were talking about a civil or regulatory law that had nothing to do with enumerated powers of Congress, the judiciary would have oversight. But this is an enumerated power under Article I Sec. 8. The President also has enumerated powers under Article II Sec. 2. The courts simply have no authority interceding Constitutionally enumerated powers of the other two branches. It's like trying to say that a President can "overrule" a SCOTUS decision if he wants to.... checks and balances... checks and balances! Now how stupid would you think that was if someone made that argument?

You know how the President has his power of checks and balances over the judicial branch... Trump is trying to use it right now by appointing Gorsuch.

Let me ask you this... are you saying Trump's Executive Order isn't really an executive order then?

YOU JUST ARGUED THAT YOU NEVER SAID ILLEGAL ALENS AREN'T PEOPLE UNTIL THE GOVERNMENT RULES THEY ARE PEOPLE... then you post:

"Until Congress legislates they are citizens, they're NOT. It's not up to a fucking court. We have a legislative branch to pass laws. Courts don't pass laws."

Are you drunk?

Nope. Presidents only nominate SC justices. They have to be approved by Congress. How is that a "check" on the judicial branch? We have three coequal branches. The court is not a superior branch. In fact, the judicial branch is technically designed to be the weakest of the three. The Congress is the strongest because they pass the legislation. But even though the Congress is stronger, none are superior over the other two.

We seem to be having trouble with words tonight. Apparently, they didn't hand out your jello cup today and your brain is tired. Do you not comprehend that "persons" and "citizens" are two completely different things?

Illegal aliens are not citizens. They ARE persons.

I'm going to post this one more time since you have a problem reading...

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."