Yes, You're A Communist

[PoliticalChic]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

Is your point that Americans must never forget the iniquity of the Democrats, the party of slavery, segregation, and second-class citizenship for black Americans?

And never forget that right up until the mid 20th century, Democrats in the Senate blocked every anti-lynching bill that came their way?

If that is your meaning...well, bravo!
I was wondering when you'd stop posting in support of communists and communist allies like Franklin Roosevelt.


Your turnabout is most welcome.

Thank you, you knew I was right all the time, and now to extend your simplistic education. Of course, treatment of people was exactly why the Democratic party had to shed that portion of their party, the Solid South. FDR began the ejection ever so gently, but Truman didn't fool around, and out the door they went, bags signs and nooses. Where did they end up; they ended up in the Republican party, where they still reside waiting for Trump to build a wall.

1. "Thank you, you knew I was right all the time,..."

Au contraire....

I knew you were LEFT all the time.


2. "Of course, treatment of people was exactly why the Democratic party had to shed that portion of their party, the Solid South. FDR began the ejection ever so gently, but Truman didn't fool around, and out the door they went, bags signs and nooses. Where did they end up; they ended up in the Republican party, where they still reside waiting for Trump to build a wall."

So sad....the facts belie your worldview....

Truman....the man who learned during his presiency, and reversed the pro-communist policies of Roosevelt, was President from 1945-1953.

The following clearly reveals the fallacy in your hallucinations:

1966- Republican Spiro Agnew ran against Democrat segregationist George Mahoney for governor of Maryland. Agnew enacted some of the first laws in the nation against race discrimination in public housing. “Agnew signed the state's first open-housing laws and succeeded in getting the repeal of an anti-miscegenation law.” Spiro Agnew - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Let's take a look at the most popular Democrat today, and see how your math holds up...

1. 
   
   a. Governor Clinton was among three state officials the NAACP sued in 1989 under the federal Voting Rights Act of 1965. “Plaintiffs offered plenty of proof of monolithic voting along racial lines, intimidation of black voters and candidates and other official acts that made voting harder for blacks,” the Arkansas Gazette reported December 6, 1989.
   
   
   b. Bill Clinton had a Confederate flag-like issue, every year he was governor: 1979-1992 Arkansas Code Annotated, Section 1-5-107, provides as follows:
2. (a) The Saturday immediately preceding Easter Sunday of each year is designated as ‘Confederate Flag Day’ in this state.
   
   (b) No person, firm, or corporation shall display an Confederate flag or replica thereof in connection with any advertisement of any commercial enterprise, or in any manner for any purpose except to honor the Confederate States of America. [Emphasis added.]
   
   (c) Any person, firm, or corporation violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be fined not less than one hundred dollars ($100) nor more than one thousand dollars ($1,000).
   
   Bill Clinton took no steps during his twelve years as governor to repeal this law.
   Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy | The Gateway Pundit

Hillary Clinton's Confederacy Hypocrisy



And...2008
'BILL CLINTON: IN PAST, OBAMA WOULD BE 'CARRYING OUR BAGS'

Bill Clinton: In Past, Obama Would Be 'Carrying Our Bags' - Breitbart





Shall I wait for you to acknowledge the truth....

....or are you a Liberal?

I'm a liberal, but I'm also proud of the Confederate flag, just not some of the uses it has been put too. The Bill Clinton quote is one that indicates America's progress in race relations and I'm proud of that too. I wonder if that and our history indicate a slow but constant change to liberalism? Just during my lifetime blacks are allowed to play professional baseball, and the army is integrated.

1. You wrote this:
"Of course, treatment of people was exactly why the Democratic party had to shed that portion of their party, the Solid South. FDR began the ejection ever so gently, but Truman didn't fool around, and out the door they went, bags signs and nooses. Where did they end up; they ended up in the Republican party, where they still reside waiting for Trump to build a wall."


2. I provided specific events along with the dates that proved your post false.

And your response.....an attempt to ignore same.....

....simply proves the usual: I am superbly educated, consistently correct, and aligned with the universe.

You'd do well to never doubt anything I post.


3. Now, you write this: "I wonder if that and our history indicate a slow but constant change to liberalism?"

In science,we have a name for same: entropy.
en·tro·py
ˈentrəpē/
noun

1. 1.
   PHYSICS
   a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
2. 2.
   lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder. Google

 

[JQPublic1]

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth.

What fine circular logic.

Your "premise" is akin to "the moon is made of green cheese." You make laughably absurd claims that reveal the depth of your ignorance. You have literally zero grasp of the subject at hand.

It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery.

Ah, so the Romans were "capitalists," as were the Egyptians, Mayans, Aztecs, Toltecs, et al?

You employ "capitalist" in the same way that Muslims employ "infidel," you simply mean your enemy.

But words have actual meanings. It's clear to all in this thread that you have utterly no grasp of economic theories

But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

If you completed high school, you did so through social promotion, avoiding any and all exposure to the concepts of markets and economic theory.

You've made a fool of yourself in this thread, but you don't grasp it. You lack the foundational knowledge requisite to be embarrassed by you ignorant posts.

No, the moon is not made of green cheese, and no I'm not going "prove it."

No, slavery is not a subset of capitalism, nor even compatible with same, and no I'm not going "prove it."

I and the others in this thread will laugh at you and mock you, because that is what you have earned.

See post #819.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You say COmmunism, then at the bottom it says Socialism. Er...

Clean off your specs.

The OP explains:

Surprising how many good Americans have been fooled into accepting, and voting for, communism. And when the truth is revealed, they are startled, incensed, and furious that anyone would say such a thing.

But it's true. There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

How did communism become the public religion of America? The following will explain, ....as we say in science....'its origin and insertion."


In a recent thread, one that illustrated the connections between environmentalists, communists, with the confiscation of private property, a government school graduate demonstrated how offended she was by posting this as part of a scathing disavowal of the above:

"OP tries to connect communism to the moderate left wing democrats." One More Of Those Environmentalist Fairytales

Clearly, an intervention is sorely needed.

It follows:



1. Karl Marx's lethal philosophy is the basis of both communism and of Nazism.

a. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925.

b. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

c. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists."
Vladimir Bukovsky.



2. I don't use "lethal" in a cavalier fashion: Over 100 million men, women, and children were slaughtered by Soviet Communism alone. When that fact was stated, one inveterate Liberal poster laughed, and said 'You sure it wasn't 100 billion?'
And the horrors of Nazism are well known. But both began here:

a. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

b. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

c. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.




And this is what we find leading the Democrat Party this very day:
"Bernie Sanders Makes His Pitch for Socialism" Bernie Sanders Outlines A Vision for Fixing American Society



Read more- if you dare, Liberals.

You're running out of original crackpot ideas.

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.


Meaning you have to admit that the OP is 100% accurate.

Gracias.

By that logic,

there is no difference between you and a prostitute.


Want to debate that?

 

[NYcarbineer]

[
"Of course, treatment of people was exactly why the Democratic party had to shed that portion of their party, the Solid South. FDR began the ejection ever so gently, but Truman didn't fool around, and out the door they went, bags signs and nooses. Where did they end up; they ended up in the Republican party, where they still reside waiting for Trump to build a wall."


2. I provided specific events along with the dates that proved your post false.

And your response.....an attempt to ignore same.....

....simply proves the usual: I am superbly educated, consistently correct, and aligned with the universe.

You'd do well to never doubt anything I post.

You're retarded. The Conservative, Racist, Segregationist South abandoned the Democratic Party when the Democratic party made it ever increasingly clear that they were no longer going to tolerate conservative segregationists in the party.

 

[JQPublic1]

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Dude you are really dumb.

Slavery is not a subset of capitalism. It just happened to happen during an era of capitalism, and let's be clear about this, it was the era of capitalism that ENDED slavery. So there you go. It could be said that to the extent the culture had slavery, it was not capitalist.

So stop dwelling into completely unrelated scenarios. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Please show us this mythical capitalists/voluntarist who believes in slavery. I bet you can't find even one. The ideology antithetically opposes slavery.

It's incredible that you are apologizing for a murderous coercive ideology that killed 100 million. I am not sure whether you are plain evil or just extremely cognitively limited.

Slavery is 10,000 years old. Attempting to attribute it to capitalism only shows that you're an ideologically driven douche bag.

While the sentiment is correct, I believe you have misaddressed the post.

True. I deleted it and addressed a new one to the actual douche bag.

No the first post was addressed to the douche bag. I am a beacon of truth in a forum of RW darkness and regression!

 

[JQPublic1]

No, that would be RW shills like you. Just ask the Children of Flint Michigan how they like that Republican water!

Water is Republican?

Yo stupid, the Mayor of Flint is a democrat, as is the head of the water project.

You may be a hack, but at least you're stupid and dishonest!

I see you haven't been following the Flint Crisis otherwise you would know all about how GOP Governor Snyder's EM henchman and the state DEQ were directly involved in causing Flint's water to become toxic. Click on that FLINT link in my signature…I have kept it there just for ignorant blowharts like you to read what happened!

 

[JQPublic1]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, it IS a DUCK. Chattel slavery is capitalistic by every definition there is.

 

[Norman]

It seems you have cognitive deficiency in understanding the issue.

Communism and socialism aren't ideologies based on voluntarism. Atheism is not even an ideology!

The whole point is that plenty of people are subjected to communism or socialism whether they wanted it or not. That's the very definition of involuntary ideology. If you could simply choose not to be a communist in a communist society I wouldn't have any problems with it. However, the very definition of communism is that you can't! You are in essence making choices for other people...

If a bunch of regressives decided to come together and sign a contract which subjected themselves to communism, I would have zero problem with it. Then it would be voluntary... It would still most likely fail though.

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

It seems you have cognitive deficiency in understanding the issue.

Communism and socialism aren't ideologies based on voluntarism. Atheism is not even an ideology!

The whole point is that plenty of people are subjected to communism or socialism whether they wanted it or not. That's the very definition of involuntary ideology. If you could simply choose not to be a communist in a communist society I wouldn't have any problems with it. However, the very definition of communism is that you can't! You are in essence making choices for other people...

If a bunch of regressives decided to come together and sign a contract which subjected themselves to communism, I would have zero problem with it. Then it would be voluntary... It would still most likely fail though.

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Dude you are really dumb.

Slavery is not a subset of capitalism. It just happened to happen during an era of capitalism, and let's be clear about this, it was the era of capitalism that ENDED slavery. So there you go. It could be said that to the extent the culture had slavery, it was not capitalist.

So stop dwelling into completely unrelated scenarios. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Please show us this mythical capitalists/voluntarist who believes in slavery. I bet you can't find even one. The ideology antithetically opposes slavery.

It's incredible that you are apologizing for a murderous coercive ideology that killed 100 million. I am not sure whether you are plain evil or just extremely cognitively limited.

Stupidity must be a virtue in your household. You don't even know what capitalism is. Chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism. I guess I had to put that modifier ( chattel) on the word for slow learners like you. Do you understand NOW, idiot? But in modern times slavery has simply been redefined in the industrial milieu . Ever heard of sweatshops? Yep, some of those still exist right here in the USA. Many of them are immigrant children from Latin countries working on US farms. But even those existing in China do so at the behest o USA capitalists seeking to maximize their profit margins.. Are the cobwebs being swept away now, you friggin dunce?

But it doesn't end there. Workers in low paying jobs that can barely make ends meet have spawned an emerging neologism that cannot be denied. They call themselves WAGE SLAVES. Many are locked into those dead end low wage jobs because they have no other choices. Welfare takes up the slack and, in effect, subsidizes the business so the employee can feed his/her family and have shelter.
Are your dialed pupils recording all of this? Please fire up that other brain cell to energize your limited memory banks so I won't have to repeat this further down the road.

There is so much stupid shit in this post I don't even know where to start.

At some point you must just admit that this person is not interested in the truth, logic, reason or evidence. This is a common trait among the low IQ liberals. Suffering from some serious dunning-kruger there as well. I bet that if this person took an IQ test he would be in for some truly spectacularly special surprises.

You are basically still equating being poor with slavery. And you are still clueless about the definition of capitalism as well. It's been explained about 83 times now!

And yeah, being taxed is a subsidy. The ignorance is bizarre with this guy.

 

[Norman]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, it IS a DUCK. Chattel slavery is capitalistic by every definition there is.

Yeah, but communism has never truly existed...

The facepalm.

No capitalist advocates for slavery, not one that I can think of.

 

[JQPublic1]

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Dude you are really dumb.

Slavery is not a subset of capitalism. It just happened to happen during an era of capitalism, and let's be clear about this, it was the era of capitalism that ENDED slavery. So there you go. It could be said that to the extent the culture had slavery, it was not capitalist.

So stop dwelling into completely unrelated scenarios. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Please show us this mythical capitalists/voluntarist who believes in slavery. I bet you can't find even one. The ideology antithetically opposes slavery.

It's incredible that you are apologizing for a murderous coercive ideology that killed 100 million. I am not sure whether you are plain evil or just extremely cognitively limited.

Stupidity must be a virtue in your household. You don't even know what capitalism is. Chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism. I guess I had to put that modifier ( chattel) on the word for slow learners like you. Do you understand NOW, idiot? But in modern times slavery has simply been redefined in the industrial milieu . Ever heard of sweatshops? Yep, some of those still exist right here in the USA. Many of them are immigrant children from Latin countries working on US farms. But even those existing in China do so at the behest o USA capitalists seeking to maximize their profit margins.. Are the cobwebs being swept away now, you friggin dunce?

But it doesn't end there. Workers in low paying jobs that can barely make ends meet have spawned an emerging neologism that cannot be denied. They call themselves WAGE SLAVES. Many are locked into those dead end low wage jobs because they have no other choices. Welfare takes up the slack and, in effect, subsidizes the business so the employee can feed his/her family and have shelter.
Are your dialed pupils recording all of this? Please fire up that other brain cell to energize your limited memory banks so I won't have to repeat this further down the road.

There is so much stupid shit in this post I don't even know where to start.

At some point you must just admit that this person is not interested in the truth, logic, reason or evidence. This is a common trait among the low IQ liberals. Suffering from some serious dunning-kruger there as well. I bet that if this person took an IQ test he would be in for some truly spectacularly special surprises.

You are basically still equating being poor with slavery. And you are still clueless about the definition of capitalism as well. It's been explained about 83 times now!

And yeah, being taxed is a subsidy. The ignorance is bizarre with this guy.

You've been WRONG 83 times. When will you give up and stop trying so hard to look bright? Chattel Slavery was a capitalist enterprise and function. That you would publicly deny such common knowledge is beyond comprehension. Are you posting from a mental hospital bed?

 

[JQPublic1]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, it IS a DUCK. Chattel slavery is capitalistic by every definition there is.

Yeah, but communism has never truly existed...

The facepalm.

No capitalist advocates for slavery, not one that I can think of.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson are dead now but I thought I would resurrect them just for YOU, dumbass! Can you guess why?

 

[there4eyeM]

But G.W. and T.J. were liberals!

 

[Norman]

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Dude you are really dumb.

Slavery is not a subset of capitalism. It just happened to happen during an era of capitalism, and let's be clear about this, it was the era of capitalism that ENDED slavery. So there you go. It could be said that to the extent the culture had slavery, it was not capitalist.

So stop dwelling into completely unrelated scenarios. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Please show us this mythical capitalists/voluntarist who believes in slavery. I bet you can't find even one. The ideology antithetically opposes slavery.

It's incredible that you are apologizing for a murderous coercive ideology that killed 100 million. I am not sure whether you are plain evil or just extremely cognitively limited.

Stupidity must be a virtue in your household. You don't even know what capitalism is. Chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism. I guess I had to put that modifier ( chattel) on the word for slow learners like you. Do you understand NOW, idiot? But in modern times slavery has simply been redefined in the industrial milieu . Ever heard of sweatshops? Yep, some of those still exist right here in the USA. Many of them are immigrant children from Latin countries working on US farms. But even those existing in China do so at the behest o USA capitalists seeking to maximize their profit margins.. Are the cobwebs being swept away now, you friggin dunce?

But it doesn't end there. Workers in low paying jobs that can barely make ends meet have spawned an emerging neologism that cannot be denied. They call themselves WAGE SLAVES. Many are locked into those dead end low wage jobs because they have no other choices. Welfare takes up the slack and, in effect, subsidizes the business so the employee can feed his/her family and have shelter.
Are your dialed pupils recording all of this? Please fire up that other brain cell to energize your limited memory banks so I won't have to repeat this further down the road.

There is so much stupid shit in this post I don't even know where to start.

At some point you must just admit that this person is not interested in the truth, logic, reason or evidence. This is a common trait among the low IQ liberals. Suffering from some serious dunning-kruger there as well. I bet that if this person took an IQ test he would be in for some truly spectacularly special surprises.

You are basically still equating being poor with slavery. And you are still clueless about the definition of capitalism as well. It's been explained about 83 times now!

And yeah, being taxed is a subsidy. The ignorance is bizarre with this guy.

You've been WRONG 83 times. When will you give up and stop trying so hard to look bright? Chattel Slavery was a capitalist enterprise and function. That you would publicly deny such common knowledge is beyond comprehension. Are you posting from a mental hospital bed?

Please find us the text-book regarding capitalism which has the chapter "the trade of human beings" "Slave economics". I haven't read, Adam Smith's piece, but I can pretty much guarantee that you won't find one chapter advocating for slavery there. How dumb can you seriously be?

How many times does it have to be explained... Just because slavery existed does not mean it's an integral part of the ideology. That's possibly why capitalism ENDED slavery. If capitalism so vehemently supports slavery, why was slavery ended under perhaps the most capitalist era we have seen?

Damn the low IQ...

 

[regent]

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Dude you are really dumb.

Slavery is not a subset of capitalism. It just happened to happen during an era of capitalism, and let's be clear about this, it was the era of capitalism that ENDED slavery. So there you go. It could be said that to the extent the culture had slavery, it was not capitalist.

So stop dwelling into completely unrelated scenarios. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Please show us this mythical capitalists/voluntarist who believes in slavery. I bet you can't find even one. The ideology antithetically opposes slavery.

It's incredible that you are apologizing for a murderous coercive ideology that killed 100 million. I am not sure whether you are plain evil or just extremely cognitively limited.

Stupidity must be a virtue in your household. You don't even know what capitalism is. Chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism. I guess I had to put that modifier ( chattel) on the word for slow learners like you. Do you understand NOW, idiot? But in modern times slavery has simply been redefined in the industrial milieu . Ever heard of sweatshops? Yep, some of those still exist right here in the USA. Many of them are immigrant children from Latin countries working on US farms. But even those existing in China do so at the behest o USA capitalists seeking to maximize their profit margins.. Are the cobwebs being swept away now, you friggin dunce?

But it doesn't end there. Workers in low paying jobs that can barely make ends meet have spawned an emerging neologism that cannot be denied. They call themselves WAGE SLAVES. Many are locked into those dead end low wage jobs because they have no other choices. Welfare takes up the slack and, in effect, subsidizes the business so the employee can feed his/her family and have shelter.
Are your dialed pupils recording all of this? Please fire up that other brain cell to energize your limited memory banks so I won't have to repeat this further down the road.

There is so much stupid shit in this post I don't even know where to start.

At some point you must just admit that this person is not interested in the truth, logic, reason or evidence. This is a common trait among the low IQ liberals. Suffering from some serious dunning-kruger there as well. I bet that if this person took an IQ test he would be in for some truly spectacularly special surprises.

You are basically still equating being poor with slavery. And you are still clueless about the definition of capitalism as well. It's been explained about 83 times now!

And yeah, being taxed is a subsidy. The ignorance is bizarre with this guy.

You've been WRONG 83 times. When will you give up and stop trying so hard to look bright? Chattel Slavery was a capitalist enterprise and function. That you would publicly deny such common knowledge is beyond comprehension. Are you posting from a mental hospital bed?

Please find us the text-book regarding capitalism which has the chapter "the trade of human beings" "Slave economics". I haven't read, Adam Smith's piece, but I can pretty much guarantee that you won't find one chapter advocating for slavery there. How dumb can you seriously be?

How many times does it have to be explained... Just because slavery existed does not mean it's an integral part of the ideology. That's possibly why capitalism ENDED slavery. If capitalism so vehemently supports slavery, why was slavery ended under perhaps the most capitalist era we have seen?

Damn the low IQ...

Was it an economic system that ended slavery or a political ideological system?
It was the growth of liberalism that ended slavery and the growth of liberalism that keeps slowly changing America. Think of the liberal changes to America just since slavery ended.

 

[ptbw forever]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, it IS a DUCK. Chattel slavery is capitalistic by every definition there is.

Yeah, but communism has never truly existed...

The facepalm.

No capitalist advocates for slavery, not one that I can think of.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson are dead now but I thought I would resurrect them just for YOU, dumbass! Can you guess why?

They were both principly against slavery moron.

 

[ptbw forever]

But G.W. and T.J. were liberals!

Libertarians.

 

[Norman]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

If looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks, it IS a DUCK. Chattel slavery is capitalistic by every definition there is.

Yeah, but communism has never truly existed...

The facepalm.

No capitalist advocates for slavery, not one that I can think of.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson are dead now but I thought I would resurrect them just for YOU, dumbass! Can you guess why?

I am not so sure these men deserve the name "capitalist", since I am not aware of them contributing to the ideology of free trade in any intellectual way, which is what I meant. Anyway, I am not that familiar with the old American thinkers anyway, and maybe they wrote the greatest pieces on free trade and it's benefits... Let's just say you are right:

George Washington:
"He owned hundreds of slaves throughout his lifetime, but his views on slavery evolved to support abolition".
- Wiipedia

Jefferson:
"As an older man, he advocated freeing and returning slaves to Africa."
Jefferson's Views on Slavery - Poplar Forest

So there you go.

Free mareketism and lack of coercion just tend to be kind of incompatible with slavery... Unlike the soviet system with its forced labor.

 

[bripat9643]

Slaves were taxed as property, owned as property,and sold as property. Slavery was part of different economic system in history. Perhaps we are still in the age of enlightenment and reason that spawned our government and Constitution?

We all know how slavery worked. So what's your point?

 

[bripat9643]

Capitalism may not have invented slavery, but certainly made no effort to end it and unhesitatingly embraced its use. Technology and economics made slavery unworkable, evolution of human standards made it illegal.

You do know that it was the age of capitalism that ended slavery in the west?

How dumb can a person be?

Someone seems to be 'dumb' enough to think "enlightenment" and "capitalism" are synonymous.

They pretty much are.

 

[bripat9643]

It seems you have cognitive deficiency in understanding the issue.

Communism and socialism aren't ideologies based on voluntarism. Atheism is not even an ideology!

The whole point is that plenty of people are subjected to communism or socialism whether they wanted it or not. That's the very definition of involuntary ideology. If you could simply choose not to be a communist in a communist society I wouldn't have any problems with it. However, the very definition of communism is that you can't! You are in essence making choices for other people...

If a bunch of regressives decided to come together and sign a contract which subjected themselves to communism, I would have zero problem with it. Then it would be voluntary... It would still most likely fail though.

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

It seems you have cognitive deficiency in understanding the issue.

Communism and socialism aren't ideologies based on voluntarism. Atheism is not even an ideology!

The whole point is that plenty of people are subjected to communism or socialism whether they wanted it or not. That's the very definition of involuntary ideology. If you could simply choose not to be a communist in a communist society I wouldn't have any problems with it. However, the very definition of communism is that you can't! You are in essence making choices for other people...

If a bunch of regressives decided to come together and sign a contract which subjected themselves to communism, I would have zero problem with it. Then it would be voluntary... It would still most likely fail though.

I understand all too well the bigger picture. Your shallow worldview is showing as is your naiveté.

Plenty of third world and developing countries are subject to the whims of Western capitalists whether they want it or not. Coercion is the chief weapon used to enforce the repayment of usurious loans made by the IMF. Austerity dooms the infrastructure and devastates the GDP of any country that falls into that IMF loan trap just as , before Obama, credit card companies and Health insurance providers preyed on US citizens when they needed help the most. Don't try to con an old veteran and tell me how good capitalism is across the board. Sometimes it stinks to high heaven and has been, in the past, a root cause for as you say, people joining together and becoming Communists.

It's abundantly clear you have no clue what you are talking about - trying to bring completely unrelated issues to the discussion, which in many cases have nothing to do with coerion. What you are spouting is Marxist nonsense, clearly you have been indoctrinated.

Basically what you are saying amounts to this "Person made a really stupid decision" "THEREFORE COERCION!!". It's just dumb as hell. It's rather clear that you got nothing when you can't give a simple concrete example, but have to fall into the Marxist fairy-tale talk of mythical evil capitalist boogeyman. Especially funny is that you venture into territories, like 3rd world dictatorship, which aren't exactly capitalist... conflating concepts to the maximum.

You cannot refute my premise and you don't WANT to know the truth. It is far easier to deflect and try to trivialize things yo do not understand. An intelligent reader would see that my mention of 3rd world victims of WESTERN capitalism underlines my major point precisely. Colonialism was a subset of Capitalism and so was slavery. But I don't judge ALL forms of Capitalism by the extremes of some as you judge all Communists by one standard. I am most content to have mixed capitalist and socialist leanings. I have an almost subliminal aversion to communism because I have been so throughly indoctrinated against it from my earliest childhood. But I have researched and read for myself the writings of Marx and Engels, checking books out of the college library under the suspicious eyes of judgmental librarians. Again I feel both Marx and Engels would have ejected Stalin or Mao's murderous approach to power.

I think that is a wrap…. your rhetoric is devolving into raw ad hominem attacks and wild accusations that hve n basis in reality. I've said my piece…let the readers judge us both!

Dude you are really dumb.

Slavery is not a subset of capitalism. It just happened to happen during an era of capitalism, and let's be clear about this, it was the era of capitalism that ENDED slavery. So there you go. It could be said that to the extent the culture had slavery, it was not capitalist.

So stop dwelling into completely unrelated scenarios. Slavery has nothing to do with capitalism. Please show us this mythical capitalists/voluntarist who believes in slavery. I bet you can't find even one. The ideology antithetically opposes slavery.

It's incredible that you are apologizing for a murderous coercive ideology that killed 100 million. I am not sure whether you are plain evil or just extremely cognitively limited.

Stupidity must be a virtue in your household. You don't even know what capitalism is. Chattel slavery is a subset of capitalism.

No it isn't, douche bag.

I guess I had to put that modifier ( chattel) on the word for slow learners like you. Do you understand NOW, idiot?

Apparently you believe the word "chattel" helps your argument somehow. it doesn't.

But in modern times slavery has simply been redefined in the industrial milieu . Ever heard of sweatshops? Yep, some of those still exist right here in the USA. Many of them are immigrant children from Latin countries working on US farms. But even those existing in China do so at the behest o USA capitalists seeking to maximize their profit margins.. Are the cobwebs being swept away now, you friggin dunce?

As usual, you post the typical Marxist propaganda. Sweatshops are not slavery. Everyone working there is free to go whenever he wants. They aren't treated like property. In fact, whether a given place of employment is a "sweatshop" is entirely a matter of opinion. What we would call a sweatshop here in the United States might be called an ideal work environment in Honduras. The term is entirely subjective.

But it doesn't end there. Workers in low paying jobs that can barely make ends meet have spawned an emerging neologism that cannot be denied. They call themselves WAGE SLAVES. Many are locked into those dead end low wage jobs because they have no other choices. Welfare takes up the slack and, in effect, subsidizes the business so the employee can feed his/her family and have shelter.
Are your dialed pupils recording all of this? Please fire up that other brain cell to energize your limited memory banks so I won't have to repeat this further down the road.

The term "wage slave" is almost as old as Marxism. The claim that welfare "subsidizes" business is just another bogus Marxist talking point.

You're an endless geyser of Marxist propaganda.

Try learning some economics.