You Gonna Fly On a 737?

[AntonToo]

Yeah, it's all Trump's fault for the TDS crew.

The FAA knew about this issue for months but the 5 week shutdown delayed their response.

That said...Trump SHOULD step up and demand these planes be grounded until we know what happened and can be assured that a fix has been made and tested properly...if that's even possible

We'll see what he does.

It's Boeing's mess and they better fucking clean it up fast, before their stock tanks even more. It's not Trump's mess. Boeing is working on a software fix that uses more data inputs to confirm the stall, and doesn't do the extreme dive correction. That fix had better be done and implemented before the end of March, not as proposed at the end of April.
Donald Trump speaks to Boeing CEO following tweets on airline technology - CNNPolitics

Not everything that goes wrong is Trump's fault, BUT this is one of those few cases where Trump is absolutely at some fault.

His ELECTIVE shutdown cost this country many billions of dollars in productivity which includes a 5 week delay of the software fix implementation by Boeing, because Boeing was working with regulators on this issue and they had some disagreements on it when shutdown brought the process to a halt.

 

[Lesh]

To think the rank and file don’t do what their corrupt leadership tells them, again, is naive, childish, dumb, and proof you aren’t knowledgeable.

What do you think that cries out for moron?

Yea..a change in LEADERSHIP

 

[bripat9643]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

Hey, if Trump and Co. say we're safe, then we're safe.

Yeah, because we all know this never would have happened if Obama was in charge.

What a moron.

 

[gipper]

To think the rank and file don’t do what their corrupt leadership tells them, again, is naive, childish, dumb, and proof you aren’t knowledgeable.

What do you think that cries out for moron?

Yea..a change in LEADERSHIP

Yeah it’s Trump’s fault. Good God you’re silly.

 

[bripat9643]

What do you believe Trump should do?

Tell the FAA to ground the fucking planes and get their act together

I thought they were grounded.

 

[gipper]

To think the rank and file don’t do what their corrupt leadership tells them, again, is naive, childish, dumb, and proof you aren’t knowledgeable.

What do you think that cries out for moron?

Yea..a change in LEADERSHIP

Yeah it’s Trump’s fault. Good God you’re silly.

Of course, nothing was BO’s fault.

Partisans! Damn they’re dumb.

 

[gipper]

What do you believe Trump should do?

Tell the FAA to ground the fucking planes and get their act together

I thought they were grounded.

Not as yet. Trump won’t allow it.

LMFAO.

 

[Lesh]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

Hey, if Trump and Co. say we're safe, then we're safe.

Yeah, because we all know this never would have happened if Obama was in charge.

What a moron.

If Obama were President there would have been no shutdown and no 5 week delay in fixing this little "glitch"

And you can bet the planes would be grounded and the Secretary of Transportation wouldn't be McConnell's WIFE and wouldn't be flying cover for a fuck up like this

 

[AntonToo]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

Hey, if Trump and Co. say we're safe, then we're safe.

Yeah, because we all know this never would have happened if Obama was in charge.

What a moron.

It would probably be already fixed if Obama was in charge, because he wouldn't shutdown the government for 5 weeks to get exactly nothing.

 

[gipper]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

Hey, if Trump and Co. say we're safe, then we're safe.

Yeah, because we all know this never would have happened if Obama was in charge.

What a moron.

If Obama were President there would have been no shutdown and no 5 week delay in fixing this little "glitch"

And you can bet the planes would be grounded and the Secretary of Transportation wouldn't be McConnell's WIFE and wouldn't be flying cover for a fuck up like this

See? There it is and this silly poster doesn’t even know how dumb and naive that is. LOL!

 

[gipper]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

Hey, if Trump and Co. say we're safe, then we're safe.

Yeah, because we all know this never would have happened if Obama was in charge.

What a moron.

It would probably be already fixed if Obama was in charge, because he wouldn't shutdown the government for 5 weeks to get exactly nothing.

Ooh God another one. Lord save us!

 

[Lesh]

I thought they were grounded.

Nothing you do qualifies as "thinking". No they are not grounded in THIS country

 

[AntonToo]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

Hey, if Trump and Co. say we're safe, then we're safe.

Yeah, because we all know this never would have happened if Obama was in charge.

What a moron.

It would probably be already fixed if Obama was in charge, because he wouldn't shutdown the government for 5 weeks to get exactly nothing.

Ooh God another one. Lord save us!

Another one WHAT?

Are you refuting that government shutdown delayed the fix? Are you disputing that it was Trump's decision to shut down the government?

This is not a partisan matter, this is a FACTUAL matter and I'm just another one that recognizes that facts show that Trump has responsibility for a delayed fix.

 

[AntonToo]

You Gonna Fly On a 737?

I would if I absolutely couldn't change the flight.

The issue happens when autopilot is engaged after initial climb altitude is reached (from pilot issue reports).

The immediate fix is for pilot to simply disengage the autopilot and I strongly doubt we'll see another catastrophic event with these planes now that this problem got such a huge exposure.

 

[rightwinger]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

When the FAA says to ground the planes, then they'll ground the planes.

The issue, as I understand it, is that an upgrade to the software to prevent the plane from stalling was put in place as an added safety feature, but the training on how to use the feature has been slow. It isn't the plane that is the problem.

If the plane is driving you to the ground shortly after takeoff then that software is the problem

 

[Darkwind]

He has no fing idea. He merely emotes.

Fuck yourself asshole

If the FAA is in the pocket of corporations it's not the rank and file...it's the leadership.

That can obviously be reformed...by finding competent people at the top. And Newsflash...that won't be Trump's personal pilot

LMAO

So predictable.

 

[kyzr]

It's Boeing's mess and they better fucking clean it up fast, before their stock tanks even more. It's not Trump's mess. Boeing is working on a software fix that uses more data inputs to confirm the stall, and doesn't do the extreme dive correction. That fix had better be done and implemented before the end of March, not as proposed at the end of April.
Donald Trump speaks to Boeing CEO following tweets on airline technology - CNNPolitics

And the FAA (Trump's FAA) should ground these planes until that has been accomplished

I'm okay letting them fly in the US since the US pilots are better trained, as witnessed by the 6 or 7 close calls where the pilots had to disengage the autopilot to keep it from diving. I wouldn't even use the autopilot until cruising. So its a flaw its not a structural flaw, its easily diagnosed and corrected. I'm also concerned that several pilots criticized the manual for not being crystal clear about the issue. One pilot even called the manual's obfuscation "criminal".

I'm okay if Trump and the FAA don't ground the entire fleet. They can't fly outside the US, so they are mostly grounded by default. One more time, it's BOEING's MESS.

A pilot on FXN this morning said he would NOT fly on one until fixed, so maybe grounding them until fixed is a good idea.

 

[rightwinger]

It's Boeing's mess and they better fucking clean it up fast, before their stock tanks even more. It's not Trump's mess. Boeing is working on a software fix that uses more data inputs to confirm the stall, and doesn't do the extreme dive correction. That fix had better be done and implemented before the end of March, not as proposed at the end of April.
Donald Trump speaks to Boeing CEO following tweets on airline technology - CNNPolitics

And the FAA (Trump's FAA) should ground these planes until that has been accomplished

I'm okay letting them fly in the US since the US pilots are better trained, as witnessed by the 6 or 7 close calls where the pilots had to disengage the autopilot to keep it from diving. I wouldn't even use the autopilot until cruising. So its a flaw its not a structural flaw, its easily diagnosed and corrected. I'm also concerned that several pilots criticized the manual for not being crystal clear about the issue. One pilot even called the manual's obfuscation "criminal".

I'm okay if Trump and the FAA don't ground the entire fleet. They can't fly outside the US, so they are mostly grounded by default. One more time, it's BOEING's MESS.

A pilot on FXN this morning said he would NOT fly on one until fixed, so maybe grounding them until fixed is a good idea.

Such a flaw is a Cat 1 Critical SW issue

Assuming the pilot will make a correction is not an acceptable fix. The flaw needs to be corrected

 

[Lesh]

I'm okay letting them fly in the US since the US pilots are better trained, as witnessed by the 6 or 7 close calls where the pilots had to disengage the autopilot to keep it from diving.

So you're happy "hoping" that the pilot can fly a flawed airplane. The mere fact of all those close calls...says it's an unacceptably dangerous situation

 

[bripat9643]

I'm okay letting them fly in the US since the US pilots are better trained, as witnessed by the 6 or 7 close calls where the pilots had to disengage the autopilot to keep it from diving.

So you're happy "hoping" that the pilot can fly a flawed airplane. The mere fact of all those close calls...says it's an unacceptably dangerous situation

All what "close calls?"