You people that called Bush a liar what do you call

[healthmyths]

This thead is evidence of why this country is so fucked.

Our elected officials lie to us on a daily basis, and instead of Americans coming together and doing something about it, they let it turn into a left vs right issue. "Your side is worse", "No, your side is worse". Holy shit people, can't we agree that both sides are fucked up and need to be drained of every currently serving member? Or do partisan politics matter to you people so much that you're willing to let the country go to hell, just as long as you can make the opposition look bad and score a few "political points".

How about this for a start. Instead of always just trying to bash the other side, how about both sides shut the fuck up and worry about cleaning their own house first.

NO what we need to agree on are the PRINCIPLES not the politics!
For example when politicians say this:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid(D) "The war is lost, the surge is not accomplishing anything "

U.S. Rep. John Murtha(D) "Our troops killed innocent civilians in cold blood,”

Senator Kerry (D) "American soldiers going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children."

Durbin (D) "must have been done by Nazis, Soviets"--action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
Senator Obama said "troops are air-raiding villages and killing civilians,"

The principle these people crushed was you don't give the enemy ammunition.
Each one of the above statements was used by the enemy. Yes it might have been made out of context but the enemy didn't care!
Proof that this contributed to 4,000 more deaths in Iraq?

This Harvard study found here THE "EMBOLDENMENT EFFECT"

asked: "Are insurgents in Iraq emboldened by voices in the news media expressing dissent or calling for troop withdrawals from Iraq?

The short answer is YES!!! according to Radha Iyengar, a Robert Wood Johnson Scholar in health policy
research at Harvard and Jonathan Monten of the Belfer Center at the university's Kennedy School of Government.

STUDY ABSTRACT
Are insurgents affected by information on US casualty sensitivity? Using data on attacks and variation in access to international news across Iraqi provinces, we identify an “emboldenment” effect by comparing the rate of insurgent attacks in areas with higher and lower access to information about U.S news after public statements critical of the war. (wouldn't you conclude the next president accusing the US military of methodically and systematically air raiding villages killing civilians.. dissent???) We find in periods after a spike in war-critical statements, insurgent attacks increases by 5-10 percent.

But the above politicians PUT politics above the safety of our troops! They were too young to remember "a loose lip can sink a ship"!
The point is Demo/GOP you can't be a Democrat or GOP first.. but an American. And NO AMERICAN would ever want to put another American in danger.

Another example of principle being what should be the guiding element:
Simply put.. how does our governments, Federal/state/local run? ON money.
Where does MOST of the money come from? TAXES.
Who pay taxes ? People who have jobs primarily or investments.
Who will pay the taxes if this trend continues upwards:
In total, the Census Bureau estimated, 151,014,000 Americans out of a population then estimated to be 306,804,000 received benefits from one or more government programs during the last three months of 2011. Those 151,014,000 beneficiaries equaled 49.2 percent of the population. - See more at: Census: 49% of Americans Get Gov?t Benefits; 82M in Households on Medicaid | CNS News

49.2% of ALL Americans receive government program assistance!

This can't continue. The golden goose will be dead.

So the principle that we aren't following is very simple: Feed a person a fish you feed them for one day. Teach them how to fish and you feed them for their lifetime!
That's it. Teaching people independence. Self reliance. But don't teach them that the government will care for them from womb to tomb!
Practicality states there will not be enough TAXES to pay out the dependents!

These are just two principles that should be followed instead of a political ideology.

If another Democrat President would say the following:
"I don't believe in a single payer health system". I know that $850 billion a year in wasted claims are caused by lawyers. Let's work on reducing that $850 billion!"
"I don't believe in bankrupting ANY company..much less electric utilities"!
"I don't believe that utility rates should skyrocket".
"I don't believe gas prices should go up... rather I think we should open more Federal leases to more oil exploration and become the world's #1 oil producer!"
"I don't believe that our military should be demeaned by statements that call our troops nazis or that they methodically bomb villages killing civilians"!
"I don't believe that all corporations are evil or capitalism is bad. Without taxes from jobs and companies we couldn't run our governments!"
"I don't believe our EPA should be involved in managing dust on country roads or fining a Wyoming welder $75,000 a day for building pond on his property"
"I don't believe in LYING to pass legislation"..Remember "you can keep your doctor"??
"I don't believe there were ever 46 million uninsured as the facts point out there were less then 4 million"!
"I don't believe it is smart to have a 1 million barrel tanker traveling 1,000s of miles on the ocean when a pipeline carrying 700 barrels in one mile on dry land is much safer"!

I would VOTE for this Democrat!

 

[velvtacheeze]

Another hysterical, ill-thought post from you? Enough already.

I'm one liberal who really doesn't think the Bush WH lied about WMD in Iraq. I think they believed that WMD were there. They were just wrong about the WMD. The waged a war of aggression and choice in good faith. The occupation was a total clusterf___.

Obama was wrong to say people should be able to keep their cheap-o "insurance" policies, with their lame "benefits". Obama has made mistakes, and that was one of them.

But his mistakes haven't cost thousands of American soldiers' lives, like the Bushtarded One's mistakes did. Neocons are just now finishing licking their fingers of our boys' blood. And they thirst for more with a new war on Iran.

Liberals' complaints are about the GOP's warmongering, and conservatives' complaints are about liberals getting the poor getting health insurance.

No wonder Mitt Romney lost.

I take it you had no problem with keeping Saddam in power then? Of course you obviously don't know anything about the following do you?
More importantly NONE of these affected you right so you really don't care about these realities do you?

You would like to see this ecological disaster continue right .. because YOU loved Saddam.. Right??
"It turns out Saddam Hussein did possess a weapon of mass destruction and he used it in a slaughter that few have heard of until now: after the Gulf War in 1991, the dictator spent untold millions on this weapon, designed to exterminate an ancient civilization called the "Ma'dan," also known as the "Marsh Arabs."
In a five-year project 90 percent of the marshes were drained - an area of more than 3,000 square miles.
"... the marsh dwellers were important elements in the uprising against Saddam Hussein’s regime. To end the rebellion, the regime implemented an intensive system of drainage and water diversion structures that desiccated over 90% of the marshes. The reed beds were also burned and poison introduced to the waters.
It is estimated that more than 500,000 were displaced, 95,000 of them to Iran, 300,000 internally displaced, and the remainder to other countries. By January 2003, the majority of the marshes were wastelands.
"As an engineer, I'm telling you, drying of the marshes is definitely not an easy task. It's a monumental engineering project," Alwash explained. "He put every piece of equipment available in Iraq under his control at the services of the projects needed to dry the marshes."
"Saddam was using water as a weapon?" Pelley asked.
"You know, the world was looking for weapons of mass destruction. And the evidence was right under its nose," Alwash.
Resurrecting Eden - 60 Minutes Videos - CBS News

And of course YOU have no problem with continuing Saddam's starvation program right that if still in placed nearly 2.6 million kids would starve to death??

AND don't be an idiot and BLAME the economic sanctions! SADDAM had the power to feed by abiding by UN sanctions!

The sanctions against Iraq were a near-total financial and trade embargo imposed by the United Nations Security Council on the nation of Iraq.
They began August 6, 1990, four days after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, stayed largely in force until May 2003 (after Saddam Hussein's being forced from power),...
Estimates of excess deaths of children during the sanctions range from 100,000 to over 500,000.
Sanctions against Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is an average of almost 40,000 children a year which if the Liberation had not happened, as of today Saddam's refusal to obey the sanctions
would have starved nearly 2.6 million children !
If Iraq hadn't been liberated in less then 6 weeks, 28 million would still be captive and 2.6 million kids starved!

Finally you of all people want to see 28 million people stay in a stone age economy where in 2003 under Saddam the per capita GDP was $518.
Per CIA world book Iraq's per capita GDP is $4,200 A total increase of over 718% in 10 years or 71% a year.
The 10th fastest GDP rate in the world.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iz.html

Most Iraqis think the Iraq War made them worse off. Most Americans think the Iraq War was a mistake.

Only American dead enders support the Iraq War at this point. You need to get over yourself about that.

 

[rightwinger]

I seem to think lying to start a war is not the same as misrepresenting the possible outcomes of a healthcare bill

"The Smoking Gun will be a Mushroom Cloud"

1)Bush didn't lie to start a war. 2)misrepresenting the possible outcomes of a healthcare bill? You mean lying about the outcomes of a healthcare bill.

"They will treat us as liberators"

 

[Truthmatters]

everyone with a brain accepts they lied us into the Iraq war.

Just like they lied about torture


Just like they lied about white phosphorous use in falughia UNTIL they were forced to publically admit they used it as a weapon.

what did the republican congress do about Bushs war crime?

nothing

 

[Delta4Embassy]

All politicians lie. Getting upset about it makes you look like an ignorant moron.

 

[rightwinger]

Mission Accomplished

 

[Truthmatters]

why did the republican congress give Bush a pass on a war crime?

 

[tyroneweaver]

PolitiFact.com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its the Tampa times and they are right wing

.


ah yes the Tampa times. It used to have a great political and sports forum

Us malcontrents and Packer fans used to spam that sucker pretty good then the Bucs won the superbowl and it took away all our fun

 

[1776]

The CIA, British intel, members of Congress, etc all saw the intel that Saddam had WMDs and that he was doing strange things moving/burying stuff in the desert around IAEA inspections....so Bush didn't lie about WMDs unless everyone lied about WMDs.

As for obamacare....there are emails that show Obama and his goons knew they were lying about keeping your plan/doctor, etc.....in order to win an election.

Oh, was Bush trying to win an election by attacking Saddam??? Nope.

 

[healthmyths]

Another hysterical, ill-thought post from you? Enough already.

I'm one liberal who really doesn't think the Bush WH lied about WMD in Iraq. I think they believed that WMD were there. They were just wrong about the WMD. The waged a war of aggression and choice in good faith. The occupation was a total clusterf___.

Obama was wrong to say people should be able to keep their cheap-o "insurance" policies, with their lame "benefits". Obama has made mistakes, and that was one of them.

But his mistakes haven't cost thousands of American soldiers' lives, like the Bushtarded One's mistakes did. Neocons are just now finishing licking their fingers of our boys' blood. And they thirst for more with a new war on Iran.

Liberals' complaints are about the GOP's warmongering, and conservatives' complaints are about liberals getting the poor getting health insurance.

No wonder Mitt Romney lost.

I take it you had no problem with keeping Saddam in power then? Of course you obviously don't know anything about the following do you?
More importantly NONE of these affected you right so you really don't care about these realities do you?

You would like to see this ecological disaster continue right .. because YOU loved Saddam.. Right??
"It turns out Saddam Hussein did possess a weapon of mass destruction and he used it in a slaughter that few have heard of until now: after the Gulf War in 1991, the dictator spent untold millions on this weapon, designed to exterminate an ancient civilization called the "Ma'dan," also known as the "Marsh Arabs."
In a five-year project 90 percent of the marshes were drained - an area of more than 3,000 square miles.
"... the marsh dwellers were important elements in the uprising against Saddam Hussein’s regime. To end the rebellion, the regime implemented an intensive system of drainage and water diversion structures that desiccated over 90% of the marshes. The reed beds were also burned and poison introduced to the waters.
It is estimated that more than 500,000 were displaced, 95,000 of them to Iran, 300,000 internally displaced, and the remainder to other countries. By January 2003, the majority of the marshes were wastelands.
"As an engineer, I'm telling you, drying of the marshes is definitely not an easy task. It's a monumental engineering project," Alwash explained. "He put every piece of equipment available in Iraq under his control at the services of the projects needed to dry the marshes."
"Saddam was using water as a weapon?" Pelley asked.
"You know, the world was looking for weapons of mass destruction. And the evidence was right under its nose," Alwash.
Resurrecting Eden - 60 Minutes Videos - CBS News

And of course YOU have no problem with continuing Saddam's starvation program right that if still in placed nearly 2.6 million kids would starve to death??

AND don't be an idiot and BLAME the economic sanctions! SADDAM had the power to feed by abiding by UN sanctions!

The sanctions against Iraq were a near-total financial and trade embargo imposed by the United Nations Security Council on the nation of Iraq.
They began August 6, 1990, four days after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, stayed largely in force until May 2003 (after Saddam Hussein's being forced from power),...
Estimates of excess deaths of children during the sanctions range from 100,000 to over 500,000.
Sanctions against Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is an average of almost 40,000 children a year which if the Liberation had not happened, as of today Saddam's refusal to obey the sanctions
would have starved nearly 2.6 million children !
If Iraq hadn't been liberated in less then 6 weeks, 28 million would still be captive and 2.6 million kids starved!

Finally you of all people want to see 28 million people stay in a stone age economy where in 2003 under Saddam the per capita GDP was $518.
Per CIA world book Iraq's per capita GDP is $4,200 A total increase of over 718% in 10 years or 71% a year.
The 10th fastest GDP rate in the world.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iz.html

Most Iraqis think the Iraq War made them worse off. Most Americans think the Iraq War was a mistake.

Only American dead enders support the Iraq War at this point. You need to get over yourself about that.

That is a f...king GUESS on your part.."Most Iraqis think the Iraq War made them worse off"
NOW for a FACT you dumb shits... that can't even use the internet to at least show where you get your idiotic statement!!! Prove it as I will prove
you 100% wrong!

"So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"
The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.
"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ...
Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.

10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic

 

[healthmyths]

I seem to think lying to start a war is not the same as misrepresenting the possible outcomes of a healthcare bill

"The Smoking Gun will be a Mushroom Cloud"

1)Bush didn't lie to start a war. 2)misrepresenting the possible outcomes of a healthcare bill? You mean lying about the outcomes of a healthcare bill.

"They will treat us as liberators"

3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"
The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.
"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.

10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic

 

[healthmyths]

Mission Accomplished

3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"
The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.
"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.

10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic

 

[KNB]

Mission Accomplished

3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"
The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.
"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.

10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic

Do you really want to pitch that as your argument for the war?

Reagan sold the weapons to Saddam that Saddam used to create those mass graves.

 

[healthmyths]

It was not a lie


just like "you didnt build that "was a fucking republican lie

It was the lie of the year. You can spin until you meltdown over it, but you can not change the reality that he lied. Bold faced, to the entire american people about his healthcare tax.

Tampa is a right wing bastion you fool

Obviously YOU don't live like I do in Tampa and I distinctly know obviously what the f..k you don't!
A) The Politicfact.org is owned by the Poynter Institute WHICH OWNS the ST Petersburg TIMES which is now known as Tampa Bay Times!
B) Because YOU don't know shit about the SP times.. IT IS the known as Florida Pravda!!!
"I'm a newspaperman - these people don't seem to understand what their role in society is," said Jack Hart, managing editor of the Portland Oregonian, which cosponsored the conference along with the Boston Globe and the Poynter Institute (which owns the St. Petersburg Times and Governing magazine, where I work). "It makes me very uncomfortable."

Perspective: Journalists shouldn't be cheerleaders

Now there is even a blog that states clearly the liberal/Obama defending BIAS of PolitiFact!!!

How do you know PolitiFact is biased?
Through a variety of factors. Journalists tend to lean ideologically left. The St. Petersburg Tampa Bay Times, which started PolitiFact in conjunction with the Congressional Quarterly, is a traditionally liberal paper. We note that PolitiFact's stories appear to damage Republicans far more often than Democrats despite the fact that PF tends to choose about as many stories dealing with Republicans as for Democrats. If the selection process was blind then either proportions should be approximately even or else the party with worse ratings should receive more ratings overall according to what PolitiFact lists as its selection criteria. Plus our independent research helps confirm the hypothesis.

PolitiFact Bias: About PolitiFact Bias/FAQ

SO you f...king IDIOT ... IF even the liberal Obama loving PolitiFact ADMITS "YOU can keep it" was the LIE of the year THAT is monumental!

Get your facts straight or don't write a bogus stupid ass comment that the "Tampa Bay Times"(Formerly ST Pete Times) is RIGHT WING!!
The Tampa Bay Times, until Jan. 1, 2012, was known as The St. Petersburg Times (St. Pete Times or The Times for short). Known locally as the “Florida Pravda”, it has been an ultra-liberal anti-Republican paper for the past 65 years, but a good read.


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[rightwinger]

1)Bush didn't lie to start a war. 2)misrepresenting the possible outcomes of a healthcare bill? You mean lying about the outcomes of a healthcare bill.

"They will treat us as liberators"

3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"
The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.
"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.

10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic

5000 dead liberators

Hate to see what it would look like if they treated us as conquerors.

 

[healthmyths]

Mission Accomplished

3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"
The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.
"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.

10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic

Do you really want to pitch that as your argument for the war?

Reagan sold the weapons to Saddam that Saddam used to create those mass graves.

NO ONE NO ONE would disagree that Reagan sold Saddam the weapons! BUT SADDAM USED THEM REAGAN didn't!!!
PLUS obviously you are too young to know what the term "cold war" or "proxy war" meant!
Saddam was the lesser of two evils that the USA confronted after chicken carter let Iran capture our embassy.
Saddam was a good guy then. He never was born a bad guy! But over time as all dictators do they preserve power and over time Saddam turned on the USA.
But of course ALL this happened before you were born and your schools history don't teach the concept of Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD)!

But I certainly have NO problem with the argument about Saddam using weapons provided by Reagan because dumb f...k SADDAM did it NOT Reagan!
I don't hold Reagan any more responsible then I hold Roosevelt who HELPED STALIN in WWII and later the same equipment Stalin used to murder nearly
Accordingly, if famine victims are included, a minimum of around 10 million deaths—6 million from famine and 4 million from other causes—are attributable to the regime,[122] with a number of recent historians suggesting a likely total of around 20 million, citing much higher victim totals from executions, Gulag camps, deportations and other causes.Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[francoHFW]

Yup, all that covert, illegal, chicken hawk Reaganist bs worked out just great, and 200 fundie jihadists to boot, and a DEPRESSION...not to mention 60-120 million brainwashed Pub dupes.

 

[healthmyths]

Obama didn't lie.


you can keep it if you like it


IF it meets all the criteria to still exist under the rules.


SHITTY policies were discontinued

I don't recall the IF part of his speeches. But still keeping your old plan was never a major reason we had to make a change in our health care system. Iraq being a threat to the US was one of two only reasons Congress gave President Bush the authority to use military force. (Participation in 9-11 was the other btw). The only way Iraq was a threat to the USA is if they had WMD. Big lie, we must invade because of lie. Little lie, this is one of the benefits of passing the new legislation, a lie. There are many benefits to the new laws. IMO.

What was the MAIN reason for the Liberation of Iraq?
1) violations by Saddam of the 1991 Cease Fire. You do realize the 1991 Desert Storm was never officially over?
You do realize when Saddam broke the Cease fire he resumed the 1991 Desert Storm conflict?
2) You do realize the 2.7 million children are alive today that would have starved to death if Saddam were alive today because he would still ignore the sanctions?
3) You do realize 28 million people are free to choose and I'm sure you don't know it but their per person GDP has increased from under Saddam over 1,760%
4) You do realize Iraq today is one of the 10 countries that are expected to have the most economic growth in 2014, ranked from first to last by percentage of GDP growth:
(1) Mongolia, 15.3 percent
(2) Sierra Leone, 11.2 percent
(3) Turkmenistan, 9.2 percent
(4) Two-way tie: Bhutan, 8.8 percent;
Libya, 8.8 percent
(6) Three-way tie: Iraq, 8.5 percent;
Laos, 8.5 percent;
Timor-Leste, 8.5 percent
(9) Eritrea, 8.0 percent
(10) Zambia, 7.9 percent
These 10 countries are set to be the fastest-growing economies in 2014

Where are your counter arguments to the above?

What was the main reason for ACA? Was it to provide insurance for 46 million uninsured?

 

[hjmick]

Obama didn't lie.


you can keep it if you like it


IF it meets all the criteria to still exist under the rules.


SHITTY policies were discontinued

He lied.


You are a liar.


The question is...


Who's the bigger fucking liar?


You racist.

 

[deltex1]

Okay lets say that the both lied on purpose to get what they wanted.

Which lie caused the most human suffering? An illegitimate war where tens of thousands of lost their lives, were maimed or, forcing insurances companies to comply with the new rules and making some people choose a new plan? A war that shifted the balance of power in the ME to Iran, or a policy that will cost some people a little more for their insurance? A war the eroded the Good Will of the USA throughout the world or, a Health Care policy that covers previous conditions and has no benefit caps?

Did they both know they were lying or did they both believe what the were selling?

Yo dufus...tens of thousands of ragheads dying violently is just another day in the ME paradise. No biggie. Did Obabble lie...technically I think not...he has no clue what he is talking about no matter what the subject.