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Okay lets say that the both lied on purpose to get what they wanted.
Which lie caused the most human suffering? An illegitimate war where tens of thousands of lost their lives, were maimed or, forcing insurances companies to comply with the new rules and making some people choose a new plan? A war that shifted the balance of power in the ME to Iran, or a policy that will cost some people a little more for their insurance? A war the eroded the Good Will of the USA throughout the world or, a Health Care policy that covers previous conditions and has no benefit caps?
Did they both know they were lying or did they both believe what the were selling?
Obama didn't lie.
you can keep it if you like it
IF it meets all the criteria to still exist under the rules.
SHITTY policies were discontinued
I don't recall the IF part of his speeches. But still keeping your old plan was never a major reason we had to make a change in our health care system. Iraq being a threat to the US was one of two only reasons Congress gave President Bush the authority to use military force. (Participation in 9-11 was the other btw). The only way Iraq was a threat to the USA is if they had WMD. Big lie, we must invade because of lie. Little lie, this is one of the benefits of passing the new legislation, a lie. There are many benefits to the new laws. IMO.
3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it""They will treat us as liberators"
The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.
"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.
10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic
5000 dead liberators
Hate to see what it would look like if they treated us as conquerors.
Obama didn't lie.
you can keep it if you like it
IF it meets all the criteria to still exist under the rules.
SHITTY policies were discontinued
I don't recall the IF part of his speeches. But still keeping your old plan was never a major reason we had to make a change in our health care system. Iraq being a threat to the US was one of two only reasons Congress gave President Bush the authority to use military force. (Participation in 9-11 was the other btw). The only way Iraq was a threat to the USA is if they had WMD. Big lie, we must invade because of lie. Little lie, this is one of the benefits of passing the new legislation, a lie. There are many benefits to the new laws. IMO.
Ya Blind Bastard, Obama wouldn't have won in 2012 if he'd been honest about ACA.
EDIT: And as for the invasion, it was revealed on CBS 60 Minutes that Saddam intentionally led the world to believe he MIGHT have WMD's and no one could know for sure if he did or didn't and to prevent the entire M.E. from exploding into the final Armageddon Bush invaded to remove the threat to Israel and with that we could all breathe a sigh of relief.
But to free all those many millions at the cost of 5,000 dead?
Acceptable losses for the outcome.
So, you started a thread asking if those that condemned Bush for lying would do the same for Obama in his healthcare lie ...and you got the usual fare...liberals talking about how bad Bush was...totally disassociated with the thread topic...totally ignoring the FACT that the White House knew the promises were lies even before Obama began passing them out.I don't recall the IF part of his speeches. But still keeping your old plan was never a major reason we had to make a change in our health care system. Iraq being a threat to the US was one of two only reasons Congress gave President Bush the authority to use military force. (Participation in 9-11 was the other btw). The only way Iraq was a threat to the USA is if they had WMD. Big lie, we must invade because of lie. Little lie, this is one of the benefits of passing the new legislation, a lie. There are many benefits to the new laws. IMO.
Ya Blind Bastard, Obama wouldn't have won in 2012 if he'd been honest about ACA.
EDIT: And as for the invasion, it was revealed on CBS 60 Minutes that Saddam intentionally led the world to believe he MIGHT have WMD's and no one could know for sure if he did or didn't and to prevent the entire M.E. from exploding into the final Armageddon Bush invaded to remove the threat to Israel and with that we could all breathe a sigh of relief.
99% of people taking the below poll say Obama LIED!
POLL: Did Obama mislead public on Healthcare Act?
So, you started a thread asking if those that condemned Bush for lying would do the same for Obama in his healthcare lie ...and you got the usual fare...liberals talking about how bad Bush was...totally disassociated with the thread topic...totally ignoring the FACT that the White House knew the promises were lies even before Obama began passing them out.Ya Blind Bastard, Obama wouldn't have won in 2012 if he'd been honest about ACA.
EDIT: And as for the invasion, it was revealed on CBS 60 Minutes that Saddam intentionally led the world to believe he MIGHT have WMD's and no one could know for sure if he did or didn't and to prevent the entire M.E. from exploding into the final Armageddon Bush invaded to remove the threat to Israel and with that we could all breathe a sigh of relief.
99% of people taking the below poll say Obama LIED!
POLL: Did Obama mislead public on Healthcare Act?
...and you end with a claim that 99% of those polled say that Obama lied.
What have you accomplished other than to give Truth Doesn't Matter a perfect venue for her unending plethora of lies about what happened before the golden boy came on the scene?
3) "So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it"
The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg put the question to Barham Salih, the former prime minister of Iraqi Kurdistan's regional government and a former deputy prime minister of Iraq's federal government.
"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."
So the Iraq war was, despite all that went wrong, a good thing; the "overwhelming majority" of Iraqis are (and presumably feel) better off because of it; and the fault for all that has gone wrong is ultimately with Iraqis themselves: It's a remarkable point of view to encounter in June 2013.
10 Years After the Fall of Saddam, How Do Iraqis Look Back on the War? - J.J. Gould - The Atlantic
5000 dead liberators
Hate to see what it would look like if they treated us as conquerors.
Certainly it would have been better with fewer deaths, especially American and coalition forces. But to free all those many millions at the cost of 5,000 dead?
Acceptable losses for the outcome.
Unless you're a suck ass dog and don't value Iraqi freedom as much as you value your own freedom.
THAT wouldn't surprise anyone.
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Okay, so the spin appears to be that Obama was either lying or ignorant about the ACA because anyone who disagrees with him on something is a racist.
Is that it? Are we all on the same page now?
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Okay, so the spin appears to be that Obama was either lying or ignorant about the ACA because anyone who disagrees with him on something is a racist.
Is that it? Are we all on the same page now?
.
What was the percent of Americans who could keep their plan?
GIVE THE GOD DAMNED NUMBER
