You Taught The GOP A Lesson: You Want Higher Taxes So They Will Grant Your Wish

If the government raised spending, it would have a positive effect. The spending would go to pay salaries and benefits. That in turn would create more consumer demand and more jobs.

If that were the case, then why didn't the stimulus end the recession? Government can't spend without taxing, borrowing, or inflating the currency. The assumed positive effect is more than compensated for by the negative effects. All government spending is a net drag on the economy.

WHich is why we've NEVER gotten out of a recession without a burst of federal spending.

Yeah, right. Obama hasn't increased spending at all!

It's when most of the wealth gets concentrated in a few hands it starts to stagnate.

Kind of like it is now.

Government is what causes the economy to stagnate.
 
Why didn't the measures taken by FDR immediatly end the last great Republican Depression. Because the damage was to great to fix overnight. Because we are in the midst of an economic reset. Many, many factors at work right now.

However, we are seeing growth, slower than we would like, but growth, nonetheless. And that growth will accelerate in the coming years.
 
Obama offered up spending cuts yesterday...Republicans giggled

What "cuts" where those?

When is the GOP going to tell us what spending they want to cut?

Romney would only tell us about Big Bird. When are Republicans going to level with Americans?

Why should the GOP offer up cuts? Obama has already staked out what he wants. Now it's time for him to layout what he's willing to give up.

No one in the GOP is stupid enough to kick the Obama football.
 
It started out at $672 billion which was the largest tax-increase in United States history. Now it's $1.6 trillion.

What will it be when he gets done with his demands?

And it still doesn't even address his massive annual deficits. $1.6 trillion.

He must cut spending but he refuses to.

The dirty little secret you refuse to face is this is just intended for spending increases, not to pay down the debt.


A total moron could understand that is why Obama wants no debt-ceiling.

Do you understand now Dumb-ass?

Obama offered up spending cuts yesterday...Republicans giggled

When is the GOP going to tell us what spending they want to cut?

Romney would only tell us about Big Bird. When are Republicans going to level with Americans?

Obama offered taxes now, and maybe cuts later, if he felt like it. Cuts that are pinpricks in the overall deficit and debt.

But keep spinning this crap, just like how the spin says the cuts are $800 BILLION but neglects to remind people that this is over 10 years. Its the same crap gas stations pull with the "9/10" of a cent added on to each gallon.
whats the GOP plan? the only thing Boehner has sad is he is waiting for the presidents plans simply so he can disagree with it.
 
Why didn't the measures taken by FDR immediatly end the last great Republican Depression. Because the damage was to great to fix overnight. Because we are in the midst of an economic reset. Many, many factors at work right now.

Yeah, even after 12 years of FDR's cures it still wasn't fixed. Why is it that recessions are too serious too fix only when Democrats are in office?

However, we are seeing growth, slower than we would like, but growth, nonetheless. And that growth will accelerate in the coming years.

It will accelerate the minute a Republican is sworn in.
 
Obama offered up spending cuts yesterday...Republicans giggled

What "cuts" where those?

When is the GOP going to tell us what spending they want to cut?

Romney would only tell us about Big Bird. When are Republicans going to level with Americans?

Why should the GOP offer up cuts? Obama has already staked out what he wants. Now it's time for him to layout what he's willing to give up.

No one in the GOP is stupid enough to kick the Obama football.
so the GOP is basically saying we wont tell you what we want to cut, we're waiting for your plan. and when your plan comes out its wrong regardless but its not our plan? but we dont know what our plan is, but yours is still wrong?

only the GOP can understand that logic.
 
whats the GOP plan? the only thing Boehner has sad is he is waiting for the presidents plans simply so he can disagree with it.

Why do you imagine Boner is required to have a plan? The Dims are the ones panicking about going over the fiscal cliff.
 
so the GOP is basically saying we wont tell you what we want to cut, we're waiting for your plan. and when your plan comes out its wrong regardless but its not our plan? but we dont know what our plan is, but yours is still wrong?

only the GOP can understand that logic.

The Dims are the ones who have consistently refused to cut anything. They are the ones who have to say what they are willing to cut. It doesn't matter what the Republicans propose if the Dims refuse. The Dims are the ones controlling what gets cut, so they are the ones who have to make the decision.

One thing is obvious, no matter what the Republicans propose to cut, the Dims will say "no" and then demonize the Republicans by calling the "heartless," "mean spirited" and "they want to push grandma over the cliff."

The Dims made their bed, now they can lie in it. Given that political reality, any Republican who proposes any cut is a damn fool.
 
You have stated elsewhere you are not Republican.

So you lying: either then or now.

We discussing you because you deflected.

I wasn't a Republican until I registered as one for this election. Now I can help to rid the party of two-faced weasels like you.
 
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Maybe you could build you a time machine and go back to the 50s. Then try talking to your neighbors about your ideas and see what kind of a reaction you get.

which ideas do you think wouldn't get a good reception?

I wish I could build a time machine, go back to 1980, and show all those "Reagan Democrats" who voted for him what the country would look like 32 years later.

Then the Dems wouldn't be able to fool anyone.
 
so the GOP is basically saying we wont tell you what we want to cut, we're waiting for your plan. and when your plan comes out its wrong regardless but its not our plan? but we dont know what our plan is, but yours is still wrong?

only the GOP can understand that logic.

No, that's the Democrat plan. Thanks for posting it.

The Republicans would probably approve whatever cuts the Dims are willing to make. Of course, we know that won't happen because the Dims aren't willing to cut anything.
 
so the GOP is basically saying we wont tell you what we want to cut, we're waiting for your plan. and when your plan comes out its wrong regardless but its not our plan? but we dont know what our plan is, but yours is still wrong?

only the GOP can understand that logic.

No, that's the Democrat plan. Thanks for posting it.

The Republicans would probably approve whatever cuts the Dims are willing to make. Of course, we know that won't happen because the Dims aren't willing to cut anything.
again, what are the specific cuts the GOP are requesting? still waiting on their plan.

and Obama and Dems have offered up specific cuts. look at the 2011 debt ceiling debate:

White House Grand Bargain offer to Speaker Boehner Obtained by Bob Woodward - Press Pass

http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/07...g-4t-deal-major-entitlement-cuts-tax-changes/
 
again, what are the specific cuts the GOP are requesting? still waiting on their plan.

They aren't requesting any specific cuts, dolt. They would probably approve any cuts the Dims are willing to make. The controlling factor here is what the Dims are willing to cut, not what the Republicans are willing to cut.

the ball is in their court, no matter how hard they try to pretend it isn't.


Nope. Promised cuts in future growth are not "real cuts." They're bullshit.
 
again, what are the specific cuts the GOP are requesting? still waiting on their plan.

They aren't requesting any specific cuts, dolt. They would probably approve any cuts the Dims are willing to make. The controlling factor here is what the Dims are willing to cut, not what the Republicans are willing to cut.

the ball is in their court, no matter how hard they try to pretend it isn't.


Nope. Promised cuts in future growth are not "real cuts." They're bullshit.

They are in fact cuts. Do nothing and spending increases organically. Population and inflation, alone, get us near 3 percent annual increases.

So cutting back spending designed to keep pace with a growing need is indeed a cut. The need will be less served, and not level or slightly increased, even if spending is higher, nominally.
 
again, what are the specific cuts the GOP are requesting? still waiting on their plan.

They aren't requesting any specific cuts, dolt. They would probably approve any cuts the Dims are willing to make. The controlling factor here is what the Dims are willing to cut, not what the Republicans are willing to cut.

the ball is in their court, no matter how hard they try to pretend it isn't.


Nope. Promised cuts in future growth are not "real cuts." They're bullshit.
so the GOP wants spending cuts, but doesnt know what spending cuts it wants? yeah only wingnuts like you can make logical sense out of that.

guess you didnt even read the documentation.

reduction in spending of $1.2T total:

$200B in spending cuts as shown on table shown on page 2
$250B in spending cuts in non medicare programs
$250B in spending cuts in medicare programs
Repeal current AMT
Reduce individual and corporate tax rates
Eliminate deductions

can you read?
 
again, what are the specific cuts the GOP are requesting? still waiting on their plan.

They aren't requesting any specific cuts, dolt. They would probably approve any cuts the Dims are willing to make. The controlling factor here is what the Dims are willing to cut, not what the Republicans are willing to cut.

the ball is in their court, no matter how hard they try to pretend it isn't.


Nope. Promised cuts in future growth are not "real cuts." They're bullshit.

They are in fact cuts. Do nothing and spending increases organically. Population and inflation, alone, get us near 3 percent annual increases.

So cutting back spending designed to keep pace with a growing need is indeed a cut. The need will be less served, and not level or slightly increased, even if spending is higher, nominally.
he also thinks that tax cuts increase revenue remember? only wing nuts can justify this logic.

Economists Agree: Tax Cuts Cost Revenue - Economic Intelligence (usnews.com)
 

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