You Were Warned...Pat. Act

[OODA_Loop]

Provide evidence of that.

Obama is using government agencies across the spectrum to assail his political enemies (as he said he would do).

That is evidence enough to cast concern.

Which is bullshit.

And you guys didn't care one whit when BOTH government agencies and private businesses were squelching dissent.

Bill Maher lost his show.
The Dixie Chicks were banned from the airwaves.
The Bush administration had political commentators secretly on his payroll writing OpEds for mainstream papers.
The NAACP was subjected to a 2 year audit.
Charlie Rangel was audited.
The Bush administration put up an informercial as real news.
We had "embedded" reporting for the first time in history.
News organizations were barred from photographing dead US troops returning home.
The Bush administration put a stop to the military keeping a tally of the civilian war dead.
Lynne Stewart was imprisoned and disbarred for "passing' information while defending a terrorist.

It goes on and on..the abuses that occurred during this time.

You guys are really something else.

I do not view any of those "Bush" actions as license for Obama to use the IRS and other agencies against his political enemies.

 

[Sallow]

Gee, can someone post all the abuses that took place under Bush.
Oh yeah, there werent any. I was a supporter of the act until I saw that it can be abused in this way. Without safeguards that work this is going to happen. The act needs to be repealed. Obama needs to be impeached.

And that's the shooting match.

The real agenda.

and like it wasn't for Bush?

we have cheese

After the second term?

Nope.

Once he got away with the Iraq war..the left basically just wanted him to clean up the messes.

Guess what?

He didn't.

 

[Sallow]

Obama is using government agencies across the spectrum to assail his political enemies (as he said he would do).

That is evidence enough to cast concern.

Which is bullshit.

And you guys didn't care one whit when BOTH government agencies and private businesses were squelching dissent.

Bill Maher lost his show.
The Dixie Chicks were banned from the airwaves.
The Bush administration had political commentators secretly on his payroll writing OpEds for mainstream papers.
The NAACP was subjected to a 2 year audit.
Charlie Rangel was audited.
The Bush administration put up an informercial as real news.
We had "embedded" reporting for the first time in history.
News organizations were barred from photographing dead US troops returning home.
The Bush administration put a stop to the military keeping a tally of the civilian war dead.
Lynne Stewart was imprisoned and disbarred for "passing' information while defending a terrorist.

It goes on and on..the abuses that occurred during this time.

You guys are really something else.

I do not view any of those "Bush" actions as license for Obama to use the IRS and other agencies against his political enemies.

The IRS didn't "go after" anyone..not in anyway that was meaningful.

No Tea Party group was blocked from engaging in political activity. Which, by the way, was ILLEGAL given their 501c status.

And there's zero proof that the Obama administration directed that in any case.

And actually..it would make more sense that they did that at the behest of Republicans.

Given that it was a Bush appointee that was commissioner at the time.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Which is bullshit.

And you guys didn't care one whit when BOTH government agencies and private businesses were squelching dissent.

Bill Maher lost his show.
The Dixie Chicks were banned from the airwaves.
The Bush administration had political commentators secretly on his payroll writing OpEds for mainstream papers.
The NAACP was subjected to a 2 year audit.
Charlie Rangel was audited.
The Bush administration put up an informercial as real news.
We had "embedded" reporting for the first time in history.
News organizations were barred from photographing dead US troops returning home.
The Bush administration put a stop to the military keeping a tally of the civilian war dead.
Lynne Stewart was imprisoned and disbarred for "passing' information while defending a terrorist.

It goes on and on..the abuses that occurred during this time.

You guys are really something else.

I do not view any of those "Bush" actions as license for Obama to use the IRS and other agencies against his political enemies.

The IRS didn't "go after" anyone..not in anyway that was meaningful.

No Tea Party group was blocked from engaging in political activity. Which, by the way, was ILLEGAL given their 501c status.

And there's zero proof that the Obama administration directed that in any case.

And actually..it would make more sense that they did that at the behest of Republicans.

Given that it was a Bush appointee that was commissioner at the time.

Obama's OFA group has the same 501c status...come on now.

 

[Dot Com]

And that's the shooting match.

The real agenda.

and like it wasn't for Bush?

we have cheese

After the second term?

Nope.

Once he got away with the Iraq war..the left basically just wanted him to clean up the messes.

Guess what?

He didn't.

Pretty screwed up how when Repubs get in, they screw everything over then the Democrat has to spend his term cleaning up the mess. Repub voters have no prob w/ this however.

 

[dblack]

The data gathering being done by Obama's administration is beyond that which is allowed by the patriot act.

BTW, wytchey, this is not a partisan issue.

No it's not.

And the Bush administration was involved in the very same practice.

You folks were completely okay with it.

exactly This is from 4 years ago when the t-partiers were doing their "shout downs" (town halls)

Heh.. .right. So, here we are giving government the power to force us to buy the shit served up by their corporate sponsors. "It's ok, you say. Our leaders will never abuse this power."

Will you be on here, four years from now, whining about it when the Republican turn this power to something you don't like?

 

[Stephanie]

Which is bullshit.

And you guys didn't care one whit when BOTH government agencies and private businesses were squelching dissent.

Bill Maher lost his show.
The Dixie Chicks were banned from the airwaves.
The Bush administration had political commentators secretly on his payroll writing OpEds for mainstream papers.
The NAACP was subjected to a 2 year audit.
Charlie Rangel was audited.
The Bush administration put up an informercial as real news.
We had "embedded" reporting for the first time in history.
News organizations were barred from photographing dead US troops returning home.
The Bush administration put a stop to the military keeping a tally of the civilian war dead.
Lynne Stewart was imprisoned and disbarred for "passing' information while defending a terrorist.

It goes on and on..the abuses that occurred during this time.

You guys are really something else.

I do not view any of those "Bush" actions as license for Obama to use the IRS and other agencies against his political enemies.

The IRS didn't "go after" anyone..not in anyway that was meaningful.

No Tea Party group was blocked from engaging in political activity. Which, by the way, was ILLEGAL given their 501c status.

And there's zero proof that the Obama administration directed that in any case.

And actually..it would make more sense that they did that at the behest of Republicans.

Given that it was a Bush appointee that was commissioner at the time.

nice to know you think others aren't meaningful..
zero proof, did he appoint these people or not?
what does it take for Obama to have any fault in ANYTHING..
but he sure gets credit for killing bin Laden, what proof he went there and did that? sheesh

 

[Sallow]

I do not view any of those "Bush" actions as license for Obama to use the IRS and other agencies against his political enemies.

The IRS didn't "go after" anyone..not in anyway that was meaningful.

No Tea Party group was blocked from engaging in political activity. Which, by the way, was ILLEGAL given their 501c status.

And there's zero proof that the Obama administration directed that in any case.

And actually..it would make more sense that they did that at the behest of Republicans.

Given that it was a Bush appointee that was commissioner at the time.

Obama's OFA group has the same 501c status...come on now.

That's illegal as well.

 

[Sallow]

I do not view any of those "Bush" actions as license for Obama to use the IRS and other agencies against his political enemies.

The IRS didn't "go after" anyone..not in anyway that was meaningful.

No Tea Party group was blocked from engaging in political activity. Which, by the way, was ILLEGAL given their 501c status.

And there's zero proof that the Obama administration directed that in any case.

And actually..it would make more sense that they did that at the behest of Republicans.

Given that it was a Bush appointee that was commissioner at the time.

nice to know you think others aren't meaningful..
zero proof, did he appoint these people or not?what does it take for Obama to have any fault in ANYTHING..
but he sure gets credit for killing bin Laden, what proof he went there and did that? sheesh

Appoint what people?

Shulman was appointed by George W. Bush.

 

[Trajan]

Civil libertarians and liberals have been railing against the Patriot Act since its inception. You were told that you like it under a Republican but would hate it under a Democrat, but you didn't listen.

One Senator told you back then EXACTLY what would happen under these new laws...

Watch The One Senator Who Voted Against The Patriot Act Warn What Would Happen

One provision that troubles me a great deal is a provision that permits the government under FISA to compel the production of records from any business regarding any person, if that information is sought in connection with an investigation of terrorism or espionage.

Now we're not talking here about travel records pertaining to a terrorist suspect, which we all can see can be highly relevant to an investigation of a terrorist plot. FISA already gives the FBI the power to get airline, train, hotel, car rental and other records of a suspect.

But under this bill, the government can compel the disclosure of the personal records of anyone -- perhaps someone who worked with, or lived next door to, or went to school with, or sat on an airplane with, or has been seen in the company of, or whose phone number was called by -- the target of the investigation.

And under this new provisions all business records can be compelled, including those containing sensitive personal information like medical records from hospitals or doctors, or educational records, or records of what books someone has taken out of the library. This is an enormous expansion of authority, under a law that provides only minimal judicial supervision.​

You were warned...

Gee, can someone post all the abuses that took place under Bush.
Oh yeah, there werent any. I was a supporter of the act until I saw that it can be abused in this way. Without safeguards that work this is going to happen. The act needs to be repealed. Obama needs to be impeached.

And that's the shooting match.

The real agenda.

so, is obama a hypocrite sallow?

 

[Londoner]

The data gathering being done by Obama's administration is beyond that which is allowed by the patriot act.

BTW, wytchey, this is not a partisan issue.

Actually, the Bush Fed used the Patriot Act to track the finances of domestic political enemies like Eliot Spitzer, who wrote a scathing critique of the Bush administration's role in the derivative meltdown.

This was right out of the old Soviet Union. First, you use national security to build a massive surveillance state. Then you use that new power to put a surveillance web over your domestic political enemies - and you wait. The minute Spitzer moved more than $10,000, they had him caught in the web. They also, famously, put an Alabama governor in jail along with building cases against over 50 democratic officials, but failed to levy one charge or open one case against anyone with a R by their name. And, the GOP is coming back to the White House in 2016 when the American people will be given the Patriot Act and the War on Terrorism on steroids. We will go back to a world of color coded terror alerts on every channel - FOX News will constantly shift to Breaking News where they will flash the words Terror, Terror, Terror across the screen to scary music.

No matter how small or irrelevant the supposed terror event, the Republican Party will put it on every channel - flashing red and orange - so that the American people are so scared that they allow the Republicans to build the kind of surveillance net which they achieved under Bush. Every second of every day we will be reminded of terrorism. This is what the Republican Party does. They want to achieve a state of constant fear much like the old Soviet Union. Fear makes the population more willing to give Washington huge sums of power and money to protect the scared sheeple. And if anybody so much as questions the vast sums of money and power the GOP is giving to Washington to fight the War on Terror, than Talk Radio will bully that person with accusations of not supporting the troops. Americans have a lower chance of dying in a terrorist attack than being killed by lightning, but the Republicans, when they achieve power, like to convince all Americans that Muslims are hiding under the bed and could strike at any moment. This is how the Republicans concentrate power and money in Washington, and no party does it better

Please recall, it was the Bush administration that built the department of Homeland Security. This department has more concentrated power, less oversight, and a bigger budget than anything ever dreamed by FDR or LBJ. Please click the following link and read about how Republicans like to concentrate money and power in Washington. Nobody does it better, and nobody has fooled more voters so thoroughly. We know the Democrats like to concentrate money and power in Washington – they admit it. However, few people realize that it's the Republicans who have always concentrated the most money and power in Washington. And they're coming back……

A hidden world, growing beyond control | washingtonpost.com

 

[Trajan]

The IRS didn't "go after" anyone..not in anyway that was meaningful.

No Tea Party group was blocked from engaging in political activity. Which, by the way, was ILLEGAL given their 501c status.

And there's zero proof that the Obama administration directed that in any case.

And actually..it would make more sense that they did that at the behest of Republicans.

Given that it was a Bush appointee that was commissioner at the time.

nice to know you think others aren't meaningful..
zero proof, did he appoint these people or not?what does it take for Obama to have any fault in ANYTHING..
but he sure gets credit for killing bin Laden, what proof he went there and did that? sheesh

Appoint what people?

Shulman was appointed by George W. Bush.

and George Tenet was appointed by Clinton, so wheres that bullshit leave you now?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

For the time being, let's put the "issue" of a prospective Presidential Impeachment off on some far distant back burner.

Let's focus a bit on the here and now.

Can we get Holder booted the fuck out of Office?

He is a disgrace and needs to go.

If Obama had any fidelity to the things he bleats about, he'd fire his pal, Holder, immediately.

 

[Trajan]

Which is bullshit.

And you guys didn't care one whit when BOTH government agencies and private businesses were squelching dissent.

Bill Maher lost his show.
The Dixie Chicks were banned from the airwaves.
The Bush administration had political commentators secretly on his payroll writing OpEds for mainstream papers.
The NAACP was subjected to a 2 year audit.
Charlie Rangel was audited.
The Bush administration put up an informercial as real news.
We had "embedded" reporting for the first time in history.
News organizations were barred from photographing dead US troops returning home.
The Bush administration put a stop to the military keeping a tally of the civilian war dead.
Lynne Stewart was imprisoned and disbarred for "passing' information while defending a terrorist.

It goes on and on..the abuses that occurred during this time.

You guys are really something else.

I do not view any of those "Bush" actions as license for Obama to use the IRS and other agencies against his political enemies.

The IRS didn't "go after" anyone..not in anyway that was meaningful.

No Tea Party group was blocked from engaging in political activity. Which, by the way, was ILLEGAL given their 501c status.

And there's zero proof that the Obama administration directed that in any case.

And actually..it would make more sense that they did that at the behest of Republicans.

Given that it was a Bush appointee that was commissioner at the time.

The IRS didn't "go after" anyone..not in anyway that was meaningful.

oh shit I have to bookmark this, this has got to be the most head up the ass stupidest, hypcrtical thing you've said, that I have seen since we've been here.....simply unreal.

 

[Dot Com]

The data gathering being done by Obama's administration is beyond that which is allowed by the patriot act.

BTW, wytchey, this is not a partisan issue.

Actually, the Bush Fed used the Patriot Act to track the finances of domestic political enemies like Eliot Spitzer, who wrote a scathing critique of the Bush administration's role in the derivative meltdown.

This was right out of the old Soviet Union. First, you use national security to build a massive surveillance state. Then you use that new power to put a surveillance web over your domestic political enemies - and you wait. The minute Spitzer moved more than $10,000, they had him caught in the web. They also, famously, put an Alabama governor in jail along with building cases against over 50 democratic officials, but failed to levy one charges or open one case against anyone with a R by their name. And, the GOP is coming back to the White House in 2016 when the American people will be given the Patriot Act and the War on Terrorism on steroids. We will go back to a world of color coded terror alerts on every channel - FOX News will constantly shift to Breaking News where they will flash the words Terror, Terror, Terror across the screen to scary music.

No matter how small or irrelevant the supposed terror event, the Republican Party will put it on every channel - flashing red and orange - so that the American people are so scared that they allow the Republicans to build the kind of surveillance net which they achieved under Bush. And if anybody so much as questions the vast sums of money and power the GOP is giving to Washington to fight the War on Terror, than Talk Radio will bully that person with accusations of not supporting the troops. Americans have a lower chance of dying in a terrorist attack than being killed by lightning, but the Republicans, when they achieve power, like to convince all Americans that Muslims are hiding under the bed and could strike at any moment. This is how the Republicans concentrate power and money in Washington, and no party does it better

Please recall, it was the Bush administration that built the department of Homeland Security. This department has more concentrated power, less oversight, and a bigger budget than anything ever dreamed by FDR or LBJ. Please click the following link and read about how Republicans like to concentrate money and power in Washington. Nobody does it better, and nobody has fooled more voters so thoroughly. We know the Democrats like to concentrate money and power in Washington – they admit it. However, few people realize that it's the Republicans who have always concentrated the most money and power in Washington. And they're coming back……

A hidden world, growing beyond control | washingtonpost.com

they're (Repubs that is) in bed w/ the military industrial complex (pentagon & its contractors like blackwater, bechtel, kbr, etc...) Been like that for decades. Thing is, its other people's lives they're playing w/ so they can fill up the coffers of their contractors, & by extension, their campaign coffers. I know, I served.

 

[Amelia]

"This is just plain wrong."

-- Obama in 2005 about Obama now

 

[Dot Com]

Which is bullshit.

And you guys didn't care one whit when BOTH government agencies and private businesses were squelching dissent.

Bill Maher lost his show.
The Dixie Chicks were banned from the airwaves.
The Bush administration had political commentators secretly on his payroll writing OpEds for mainstream papers.
The NAACP was subjected to a 2 year audit.
Charlie Rangel was audited.
The Bush administration put up an informercial as real news.
We had "embedded" reporting for the first time in history.
News organizations were barred from photographing dead US troops returning home.
The Bush administration put a stop to the military keeping a tally of the civilian war dead.
Lynne Stewart was imprisoned and disbarred for "passing' information while defending a terrorist.

It goes on and on..the abuses that occurred during this time.

You guys are really something else.

I do not view any of those "Bush" actions as license for Obama to use the IRS and other agencies against his political enemies.

The IRS didn't "go after" anyone..not in anyway that was meaningful.

No Tea Party group was blocked from engaging in political activity. Which, by the way, was ILLEGAL given their 501c status.

And there's zero proof that the Obama administration directed that in any case.

And actually..it would make more sense that they did that at the behest of Republicans.

Given that it was a Bush appointee that was commissioner at the time.

Trajan's head is going to explode

 

[Trajan]

The data gathering being done by Obama's administration is beyond that which is allowed by the patriot act.

BTW, wytchey, this is not a partisan issue.

Actually, the Bush Fed used the Patriot Act to track the finances of domestic political enemies like Eliot Spitzer, who wrote a scathing critique of the Bush administration's role in the derivative meltdown.

This was right out of the old Soviet Union. First, you use national security to build a massive surveillance state. Then you use that new power to put a surveillance web over your domestic political enemies - and you wait. The minute Spitzer moved more than $10,000, they had him caught in the web. They also, famously, put an Alabama governor in jail along with building cases against over 50 democratic officials, but failed to levy one charges or open one case against anyone with a R by their name. And, the GOP is coming back to the White House in 2016 when the American people will be given the Patriot Act and the War on Terrorism on steroids. We will go back to a world of color coded terror alerts on every channel - FOX News will constantly shift to Breaking News where they will flash the words Terror, Terror, Terror across the screen to scary music.

No matter how small or irrelevant the supposed terror event, the Republican Party will put it on every channel - flashing red and orange - so that the American people are so scared that they allow the Republicans to build the kind of surveillance net which they achieved under Bush. And if anybody so much as questions the vast sums of money and power the GOP is giving to Washington to fight the War on Terror, than Talk Radio will bully that person with accusations of not supporting the troops. Americans have a lower chance of dying in a terrorist attack than being killed by lightning, but the Republicans, when they achieve power, like to convince all Americans that Muslims are hiding under the bed and could strike at any moment. This is how the Republicans concentrate power and money in Washington, and no party does it better

Please recall, it was the Bush administration that built the department of Homeland Security. This department has more concentrated power, less oversight, and a bigger budget than anything ever dreamed by FDR or LBJ. Please click the following link and read about how Republicans like to concentrate money and power in Washington. Nobody does it better, and nobody has fooled more voters so thoroughly. We know the Democrats like to concentrate money and power in Washington – they admit it. However, few people realize that it's the Republicans who have always concentrated the most money and power in Washington. And they're coming back……

A hidden world, growing beyond control | washingtonpost.com

they're (Repubs that is) in bed w/ the military industrial complex (pentagon & its contractors like blackwater, bechtel, kbr, etc...) Been like that for decades. Thing is, its other people's lives they're playing w/ so they can fill up the coffers of their contractors, & by extension, their campaign coffers. I know, I served.

and obama is in bed with big pharma and the sin c's....whats your point?

 

[Sallow]

nice to know you think others aren't meaningful..
zero proof, did he appoint these people or not?what does it take for Obama to have any fault in ANYTHING..
but he sure gets credit for killing bin Laden, what proof he went there and did that? sheesh

Appoint what people?

Shulman was appointed by George W. Bush.

and George Tenet was appointed by Clinton, so wheres that bullshit leave you now?

Seriously.

You want to throw in non-sequiturs, you should do a better job.

Tenet had zero to do with the administrations behavior.

Bush had enough intelligence and plenty of warnings to discern something big was coming down the pike before 9/11.

After? Bush had an agenda..and used the intelligence to buttress it.

 

[Trajan]

I do not view any of those "Bush" actions as license for Obama to use the IRS and other agencies against his political enemies.

The IRS didn't "go after" anyone..not in anyway that was meaningful.

No Tea Party group was blocked from engaging in political activity. Which, by the way, was ILLEGAL given their 501c status.

And there's zero proof that the Obama administration directed that in any case.

And actually..it would make more sense that they did that at the behest of Republicans.

Given that it was a Bush appointee that was commissioner at the time.

Trajan's head is going to explode

no, I just like to remind folks when they change up, ( you know how that goes, now don't you) and all of sudden what was bad is now good and what obama says he will do and doesn't do is ignored.....