You Were Warned...Pat. Act

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They loved it when bush said it was a good thing. Now for 'some' reason, they hate it. It's that simple really.

they're for Norquistian small gov't until they're in a tight spot then they give us optional wars, DHS's, & Patriot Acts. Ginormously, Big gov't brought to you by the Repub party

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What conservatives clearly fail to understand is that it’s far too late for them to now come to the ‘outrage’ party with regard to surveillance programs.

Perhaps if they’d joined liberals and civil libertarians during the Bush years, when these programs were being implemented or expanded, there’d be a better chance the laws might not have been enacted.

But no.

The right elected to give their blind allegiance to a republican president and Congress, to not commit the heresy of being critical of a republican administration, regardless how wrong that administration might be.

And when there’s another republican president, likely come 2017, is there any conservative so naïve as to believe that the next republican president won’t continue to use the same intelligence gathering apparatus as Bush and Obama?

 

[hunarcy]

What conservatives clearly fail to understand is that it’s far too late for them to now come to the ‘outrage’ party with regard to surveillance programs.

Perhaps if they’d joined liberals and civil libertarians during the Bush years, when these programs were being implemented or expanded, there’d be a better chance the laws might not have been enacted.

But no.

The right elected to give their blind allegiance to a republican president and Congress, to not commit the heresy of being critical of a republican administration, regardless how wrong that administration might be.

And when there’s another republican president, likely come 2017, is there any conservative so naïve as to believe that the next republican president won’t continue to use the same intelligence gathering apparatus as Bush and Obama?

Your partisanship is showing.

Tea Party joins House liberals to block Patriot Act - National post-partisan | Examiner.com

 

[Stephanie]

What conservatives clearly fail to understand is that it’s far too late for them to now come to the ‘outrage’ party with regard to surveillance programs.

Perhaps if they’d joined liberals and civil libertarians during the Bush years, when these programs were being implemented or expanded, there’d be a better chance the laws might not have been enacted.

But no.

The right elected to give their blind allegiance to a republican president and Congress, to not commit the heresy of being critical of a republican administration, regardless how wrong that administration might be.

And when there’s another republican president, likely come 2017, is there any conservative so naïve as to believe that the next republican president won’t continue to use the same intelligence gathering apparatus as Bush and Obama?

more BS and you even got a atta boy for it..
you really are just a partisan HACK

 

[Plasmaball]

that might fly if bush was still president and if Obama hadn't been president for the last 5 years and if Obama hadn't reapproved the patriot act. but given those facts your argument now sounds as ridiculous as you.

government overreach is government overreach no matter who is in charge. You were warned about it when Bush was president, but you didn't care. So why do you care now?

Bush wasn't targeting his political opponents.

yeah well you have zero proof of this beyond your own speculation. So we can ignore it as not a valid reason and just a partisan excuse.

 

[Plasmaball]

We've got our panties in a wad because now we have a regime that is acting criminally against us citizens. And you're gloating over it. Which is exactly what WE said would happen.

no you didnt.

 

[Plasmaball]

Sure we do. The WH is conducting a coup, and you assholes support it.

A coup? hahahahahahahhaa no please continue this, but more loudly.
A coup...lol

 

[Dot Com]

allie is on a rw roll

 

[Plasmaball]

What conservatives clearly fail to understand is that it’s far too late for them to now come to the ‘outrage’ party with regard to surveillance programs.

Perhaps if they’d joined liberals and civil libertarians during the Bush years, when these programs were being implemented or expanded, there’d be a better chance the laws might not have been enacted.

But no.

The right elected to give their blind allegiance to a republican president and Congress, to not commit the heresy of being critical of a republican administration, regardless how wrong that administration might be.

And when there’s another republican president, likely come 2017, is there any conservative so naïve as to believe that the next republican president won’t continue to use the same intelligence gathering apparatus as Bush and Obama?

more BS and you even got a atta boy for it..
you really are just a partisan HACK

wow you have massive balls to even type this out on the open board. Massive.

you carry water for the GOP even if they killed a hooker.

 

[Sallow]

The data gathering being done by Obama's administration is beyond that which is allowed by the patriot act.

BTW, wytchey, this is not a partisan issue.

No it's not.

And the Bush administration was involved in the very same practice.

You folks were completely okay with it.

 

[Sallow]

What conservatives clearly fail to understand is that it’s far too late for them to now come to the ‘outrage’ party with regard to surveillance programs.

Perhaps if they’d joined liberals and civil libertarians during the Bush years, when these programs were being implemented or expanded, there’d be a better chance the laws might not have been enacted.

But no.

The right elected to give their blind allegiance to a republican president and Congress, to not commit the heresy of being critical of a republican administration, regardless how wrong that administration might be.

And when there’s another republican president, likely come 2017, is there any conservative so naïve as to believe that the next republican president won’t continue to use the same intelligence gathering apparatus as Bush and Obama?

Your partisanship is showing.

Tea Party joins House liberals to block Patriot Act - National post-partisan | Examiner.com

Better late then never..eh?

 

[OODA_Loop]

'We're gonna punish our enemies, and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us' - President Barack Obama

 

[Plasmaball]

'We're gonna punish our enemies, and we're gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us' - President Barack Obama

weak...

 

[Dot Com]

The data gathering being done by Obama's administration is beyond that which is allowed by the patriot act.

BTW, wytchey, this is not a partisan issue.

No it's not.

And the Bush administration was involved in the very same practice.

You folks were completely okay with it.

exactly This is from 4 years ago when the t-partiers were doing their "shout downs" (town halls)

 

[Stephanie]

What conservatives clearly fail to understand is that it’s far too late for them to now come to the ‘outrage’ party with regard to surveillance programs.

Perhaps if they’d joined liberals and civil libertarians during the Bush years, when these programs were being implemented or expanded, there’d be a better chance the laws might not have been enacted.

But no.

The right elected to give their blind allegiance to a republican president and Congress, to not commit the heresy of being critical of a republican administration, regardless how wrong that administration might be.

And when there’s another republican president, likely come 2017, is there any conservative so naïve as to believe that the next republican president won’t continue to use the same intelligence gathering apparatus as Bush and Obama?

Your partisanship is showing.

Tea Party joins House liberals to block Patriot Act - National post-partisan | Examiner.com

Better late then never..eh?

really, the Tea party wasn't around for Bush...YOU LEFTIES were though
where are all the marchers, codepinkoes, people camping out on the Obama's lawn protesting Obama over this

 

[Trajan]

What conservatives clearly fail to understand is that it’s far too late for them to now come to the ‘outrage’ party with regard to surveillance programs.

Perhaps if they’d joined liberals and civil libertarians during the Bush years, when these programs were being implemented or expanded, there’d be a better chance the laws might not have been enacted.

But no.

The right elected to give their blind allegiance to a republican president and Congress, to not commit the heresy of being critical of a republican administration, regardless how wrong that administration might be.

And when there’s another republican president, likely come 2017, is there any conservative so naïve as to believe that the next republican president won’t continue to use the same intelligence gathering apparatus as Bush and Obama?

you need to name the cons, becasue unless you do, then the very healthy bi partisan margins makes your comment just the partisan blubbering it appears to be.

There is NO doubt some gopers now, crying voted for the pat act. then call them out, go ahead, goggle is your friend, have at it, and I bet you'll find dems how voted agianst it now defending it to.....funny that.....

yet at the end of the day you keep skipping past the FACT that, obama is on-board and he stayed on board even after denouncing it, repeatedly....so, get honest or keep demonstrating your lack of honesty and integrity.

so lets see some obama outrage for a change....

 

[The Rabbi]

Civil libertarians and liberals have been railing against the Patriot Act since its inception. You were told that you like it under a Republican but would hate it under a Democrat, but you didn't listen.

One Senator told you back then EXACTLY what would happen under these new laws...

Watch The One Senator Who Voted Against The Patriot Act Warn What Would Happen

One provision that troubles me a great deal is a provision that permits the government under FISA to compel the production of records from any business regarding any person, if that information is sought in connection with an investigation of terrorism or espionage.

Now we're not talking here about travel records pertaining to a terrorist suspect, which we all can see can be highly relevant to an investigation of a terrorist plot. FISA already gives the FBI the power to get airline, train, hotel, car rental and other records of a suspect.

But under this bill, the government can compel the disclosure of the personal records of anyone -- perhaps someone who worked with, or lived next door to, or went to school with, or sat on an airplane with, or has been seen in the company of, or whose phone number was called by -- the target of the investigation.

And under this new provisions all business records can be compelled, including those containing sensitive personal information like medical records from hospitals or doctors, or educational records, or records of what books someone has taken out of the library. This is an enormous expansion of authority, under a law that provides only minimal judicial supervision.​

You were warned...

Gee, can someone post all the abuses that took place under Bush.
Oh yeah, there werent any. I was a supporter of the act until I saw that it can be abused in this way. Without safeguards that work this is going to happen. The act needs to be repealed. Obama needs to be impeached.

 

[Sallow]

what is being done today is beyond the scope and intent of the patriot act. The obama administration is violating the law.

even you should realize that.

Provide evidence of that.

Obama is using government agencies across the spectrum to assail his political enemies (as he said he would do).

That is evidence enough to cast concern.

Which is bullshit.

And you guys didn't care one whit when BOTH government agencies and private businesses were squelching dissent.

Bill Maher lost his show.
The Dixie Chicks were banned from the airwaves.
The Bush administration had political commentators secretly on his payroll writing OpEds for mainstream papers.
The NAACP was subjected to a 2 year audit.
Charlie Rangel was audited.
The Bush administration put up an informercial as real news.
We had "embedded" reporting for the first time in history.
News organizations were barred from photographing dead US troops returning home.
The Bush administration put a stop to the military keeping a tally of the civilian war dead.
Lynne Stewart was imprisoned and disbarred for "passing' information while defending a terrorist.

It goes on and on..the abuses that occurred during this time.

You guys are really something else.

 

[Sallow]

Civil libertarians and liberals have been railing against the Patriot Act since its inception. You were told that you like it under a Republican but would hate it under a Democrat, but you didn't listen.

One Senator told you back then EXACTLY what would happen under these new laws...

Watch The One Senator Who Voted Against The Patriot Act Warn What Would Happen

One provision that troubles me a great deal is a provision that permits the government under FISA to compel the production of records from any business regarding any person, if that information is sought in connection with an investigation of terrorism or espionage.

Now we're not talking here about travel records pertaining to a terrorist suspect, which we all can see can be highly relevant to an investigation of a terrorist plot. FISA already gives the FBI the power to get airline, train, hotel, car rental and other records of a suspect.

But under this bill, the government can compel the disclosure of the personal records of anyone -- perhaps someone who worked with, or lived next door to, or went to school with, or sat on an airplane with, or has been seen in the company of, or whose phone number was called by -- the target of the investigation.

And under this new provisions all business records can be compelled, including those containing sensitive personal information like medical records from hospitals or doctors, or educational records, or records of what books someone has taken out of the library. This is an enormous expansion of authority, under a law that provides only minimal judicial supervision.​

You were warned...

Gee, can someone post all the abuses that took place under Bush.
Oh yeah, there werent any. I was a supporter of the act until I saw that it can be abused in this way. Without safeguards that work this is going to happen. The act needs to be repealed. Obama needs to be impeached.

And that's the shooting match.

The real agenda.

 

[Stephanie]

Civil libertarians and liberals have been railing against the Patriot Act since its inception. You were told that you like it under a Republican but would hate it under a Democrat, but you didn't listen.

One Senator told you back then EXACTLY what would happen under these new laws...

Watch The One Senator Who Voted Against The Patriot Act Warn What Would Happen

One provision that troubles me a great deal is a provision that permits the government under FISA to compel the production of records from any business regarding any person, if that information is sought in connection with an investigation of terrorism or espionage.

Now we're not talking here about travel records pertaining to a terrorist suspect, which we all can see can be highly relevant to an investigation of a terrorist plot. FISA already gives the FBI the power to get airline, train, hotel, car rental and other records of a suspect.

But under this bill, the government can compel the disclosure of the personal records of anyone -- perhaps someone who worked with, or lived next door to, or went to school with, or sat on an airplane with, or has been seen in the company of, or whose phone number was called by -- the target of the investigation.

And under this new provisions all business records can be compelled, including those containing sensitive personal information like medical records from hospitals or doctors, or educational records, or records of what books someone has taken out of the library. This is an enormous expansion of authority, under a law that provides only minimal judicial supervision.​

You were warned...

Gee, can someone post all the abuses that took place under Bush.
Oh yeah, there werent any. I was a supporter of the act until I saw that it can be abused in this way. Without safeguards that work this is going to happen. The act needs to be repealed. Obama needs to be impeached.

And that's the shooting match.

The real agenda.

and like it wasn't for Bush?

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