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How was the cross hurting anyone? The constitution protects religious freedom.
Past court cases have long recognized that religious symbols serving as memorials on government property are unconstitutional.
Roadside Cross in Lake Elsinore, CA, Must Be Removed, Says Humanist Group
That said, there are many sites along the roads I travel where every year flowers and little crosses always appear. Doesn't bother me a bit. But that's not a little cross, is it?
It was meant to be temporary. It was in a freaking bucket.
Let the poor woman mourn her son for a time. It's the decent thong to do.
I have yet to have any fellow atheists give me a plausible reason why they are offended by a symbol of a religion that worships a god they do not believe exists.
The 1st amendment prohibits the government from endorsing any religion. A Christian symbol on government land is an endorsement of religion. To leave it there is a violation of the Constitution. Perhaps you can explain why you are not offended by violations of the Constitution.
Incorrect. Denying others the ability to do so would be an endorsement. Plain and simple.
Keep your Christian symbols off the public property unless you want everyone else to add theirs. What she should have posted, with permission, was a sign that said My Son Died Here, Please Drive Safely.
No one has said they can't. A Jew, or a Muslim, or even a Atheist is absolutely free to place whatever remembrance they wish at the site of the death of a loved one. This attack on this woman is simply bullying a grieving mom. Anyone who supports this is a jackass of the first order.
The separation clause is there to prevent a STATE RELIGION, not prevent remembrances like this.
What a bunch of uncaring assholes.
Edge, you are filled by hate and rage. Thought that, it is your head, too wooly.
Atheists have every right to believe as you do.
Remember the Constitution.
Stupid ****.
Where have I ever said that Atheists don't have the right to believe as they wish?
Where?
Stupid little bitch.
All I have EVER said is that they don't have the right to force their beliefs on the rest of us.
And that's what they're doing.
By forcing the grieving Mother of a Dead Boy to remove a cross that she put up out of the despair of emptiness left by the loss of a Child, they show their true colors....
Scum
Just like you.... Scum.
suck on a Glock, bitch.
I have yet to have any fellow atheists give me a plausible reason why they are offended by a symbol of a religion that worships a god they do not believe exists.
The 1st amendment prohibits the government from endorsing any religion. A Christian symbol on government land is an endorsement of religion. To leave it there is a violation of the Constitution. Perhaps you can explain why you are not offended by violations of the Constitution.
we have those all over the place where i live. not one single person has ever complained about any of them. sad.
Atheists are the religious radicals of the political left. Just that simple. Anybody that doesn't realize that is too stupid to live.
When is the Supreme Court going to realize that Atheism is just another religion?
Favoring them is no different than abiding Christians over Muslims or favoring Muslims over Hindus.
It's simply religious repression from the left.
Atheist Group Forces Grieving Mom To Take Down Cross From Site Where Her Son Was Killed
Just when you think militant atheists cant be any more repulsive.
Via Fox News:
A grieving California mom who, under pressure from an atheist group, went to the site where her son was killed to remove a memorial cross was met at the scene by a throng of supporters who planted crosses of their own.
They said they have to take that one down, Doug Johnson, a Riverside resident who traveled to the site with his daughter and six home-made crosses, told The Riverside Press-Enterprise. But they didnt say anything about putting another one up.
AnnMarie Devaney agreed to remove a 5-foot cross she put up on the side of a road in Lake Elsinore to honor her 19-year-old son Anthony, who was struck by a car and killed two years ago, the paper reported. The American Humanist Association in Washington, D.C., caught wind of the cross and sent her a demand letter dated March 4 calling for her to remove it. The association said that its placement on city property violates the constitutional separation of church and state.
Its so petty and sad that they have to complain over removing a cross, she said. Its his personal preference that he was Christian. Whats wrong with having a cross up?
Devaney was emotional when she was at the site and said she was moved by her supporters. She was joined by her family and other families that brought their own cross. A woman in attendance told the paper that she is the stepmother of the driver struck Devaneys son as he crossed Lake Street near an exit ramp, the paper reported.
I have yet to have any fellow atheists give me a plausible reason why they are offended by a symbol of a religion that worships a god they do not believe exists.
The 1st amendment prohibits the government from endorsing any religion. A Christian symbol on government land is an endorsement of religion. To leave it there is a violation of the Constitution. Perhaps you can explain why you are not offended by violations of the Constitution.
If a private citizen puts up a temporary memorial for her dead kid I do not see that as government endorsement.
I see that as a woman grieving the loss of her son and don't see the harm in showing a little compassion.
Stop going out of your way to be offended.
we have those all over the place where i live. not one single person has ever complained about any of them. sad.
I have seen small ones and the occasional "official sign" for a state trooper or a police officer. This one was huge and obviously they were trying to make a statement. The issue here is no different to placing a manger on government land at Christmas time in my opinion. That makes a statement too and unless they had obtained prior permission to put up that memorial it was a violation.
The 1st amendment prohibits the government from endorsing any religion. A Christian symbol on government land is an endorsement of religion. To leave it there is a violation of the Constitution. Perhaps you can explain why you are not offended by violations of the Constitution.
If a private citizen puts up a temporary memorial for her dead kid I do not see that as government endorsement.
I see that as a woman grieving the loss of her son and don't see the harm in showing a little compassion.
Stop going out of your way to be offended.
So you would have no problem whatsoever if they installed a 75' cross on the front steps of your local courthouse as a memorial to someone who had died?
we have those all over the place where i live. not one single person has ever complained about any of them. sad.
I have seen small ones and the occasional "official sign" for a state trooper or a police officer. This one was huge and obviously they were trying to make a statement. The issue here is no different to placing a manger on government land at Christmas time in my opinion. That makes a statement too and unless they had obtained prior permission to put up that memorial it was a violation.
yes this one was quite large. im not sure what her point was in it being so big but i googled his name....there were quite a few other fatalities in about the same location. maybe thats why?
the ones we have down here are all sizes. from big to small. of course this is a big state. LOL.
Keep your Christian symbols off the public property unless you want everyone else to add theirs. What she should have posted, with permission, was a sign that said My Son Died Here, Please Drive Safely.
The difference between you and that kid is that nobody will be to put a cross over your grave much less give a shit when you and your type are swept from this earth. Please Die Safely.
Another fan of Jesus I see...
I have seen small ones and the occasional "official sign" for a state trooper or a police officer. This one was huge and obviously they were trying to make a statement. The issue here is no different to placing a manger on government land at Christmas time in my opinion. That makes a statement too and unless they had obtained prior permission to put up that memorial it was a violation.
yes this one was quite large. im not sure what her point was in it being so big but i googled his name....there were quite a few other fatalities in about the same location. maybe thats why?
the ones we have down here are all sizes. from big to small. of course this is a big state. LOL.
Only one name on that cross in the picture. If there have been so many fatalities in the same location then that should be raised with the city government and they could do something to make it safer.
Devaney was emotional when she was at the site and said she was moved by her supporters. She was joined by her family and other families that brought their own cross.
yes this one was quite large. im not sure what her point was in it being so big but i googled his name....there were quite a few other fatalities in about the same location. maybe thats why?
the ones we have down here are all sizes. from big to small. of course this is a big state. LOL.
Only one name on that cross in the picture. If there have been so many fatalities in the same location then that should be raised with the city government and they could do something to make it safer.
google his name and read the first article. then look at the bottom of the page.
Only one name on that cross in the picture. If there have been so many fatalities in the same location then that should be raised with the city government and they could do something to make it safer.
google his name and read the first article. then look at the bottom of the page.
I am googling "anthony devant" and there are no articles, just facebook, linkedin and myspace links.
EDIT:
OK, it is Devaney, not Devant.
These are the links below;
Jason Lee Didominic Dead after Fatal Accident in Lake Elsinore
Wilbert Clark Dead after Fatal Accident on 74 in Lake Elsinore
Joshua Eugene Epling Dead after Fatal Accident on 15 in Lake Elsinore
Sheila Bloesel Dead after Fatal Crash on 15 in Lake Elsinore
Zachary Butcher Dead after Fatal Rollover Crash in Lake Elsinore
Sounds like a reason for the City to deal with a dangerous location rather than allowing it continue.
I have yet to have any fellow atheists give me a plausible reason why they are offended by a symbol of a religion that worships a god they do not believe exists.
The 1st amendment prohibits the government from endorsing any religion. A Christian symbol on government land is an endorsement of religion. To leave it there is a violation of the Constitution. Perhaps you can explain why you are not offended by violations of the Constitution.
If a private citizen puts up a temporary memorial for her dead kid I do not see that as government endorsement.
I see that as a woman grieving the loss of her son and don't see the harm in showing a little compassion.
Stop going out of your way to be offended.
The 1st amendment prohibits the government from endorsing any religion. A Christian symbol on government land is an endorsement of religion. To leave it there is a violation of the Constitution. Perhaps you can explain why you are not offended by violations of the Constitution.
If a private citizen puts up a temporary memorial for her dead kid I do not see that as government endorsement.
I see that as a woman grieving the loss of her son and don't see the harm in showing a little compassion.
Stop going out of your way to be offended.
So you would have no problem whatsoever if they installed a 75' cross on the front steps of your local courthouse as a memorial to someone who had died?
