YOur kind of Christian; Family Research Council

[Sky Dancer]

Over nearly three decades, Cameron has published “research studies” (though almost never in peer-reviewed journals) that suggest that homosexuals are predatory and diseased perverts who victimize children. Among his more recent defamations was an FRI pamphlet asserting the primary activity of the gay rights movement is “seeking to legitimize child-adult homosexual sex.” In another, he claimed that with “the rise of the gay rights movement, homosexual rape of men appears to have increased.” In yet another, he wrote, “Homosexuals were three times more likely to admit to having made an obscene phone call” and “a third more apt to report a traffic ticket or traffic accident in the past 5 years.”

Cameron’s colleagues have condemned him repeatedly. In 1983, he was thrown out of the American Psychological Association for ethical violations. In 1984, the Nebraska Psychological Association disassociated itself from Cameron’s statements about sexuality. In 1985, the American Sociological Association adopted a resolution saying Cameron “has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality” and “repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men”; the following year, the same group formally condemned Cameron for that misrepresentation of research.

Cameron made news this summer when he failed to persuade lawyers for California’s anti-gay marriage Proposition 8 to lean more heavily on his research to defend the Proposition in court. Even attorneys in favor of the proposition accepted that Cameron’s “research” wouldn’t hold up, no matter how much play it might get on the pulpit or with Christian politicians.

Despite all this — and the fact that Cameron’s propaganda is widely known to be false or misleading — many groups have continued to use his claims, though often without citing their source. They include the American Family Association, Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, Concerned Women for America, Coral Ridge Ministries, the Family Research Council (see above for all five) and, until recently, the Illinois Family Institute.
Colorado Springs-based Family Research Institute tagged as hate group | Colorado Independent

SPLC lists FRC as a hate group due to it's propagation of known falsehoods like these.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Here It Is: The Text of Uganda’s Proposed Anti-Homosexuality Bill. We obtained a copy of the Anti-Homosexuality Bill and posted it online in its entirety. The proposed Act, if passed, would:

Expand the definitions for homosexual acts, making conviction easier. Current law requires evidence of penetration. The new law would expand the definition of homosexual activity to”touch(ing) another person with the intention of committing the act of homosexuality.”
Touching itself is defined as “touching—(a) with any part of the body; (b) with anything else; (c) through anything; and in particular includes touching amounting to penetration of any sexual organ. anus or mouth.”

Affirm Uganda’s lifetime imprisonment for those convicted of homosexuality.
Define a new crime of “aggravated homosexuality” for those who engage in sex with someone under the age of 18, who are HIV-positive, who is a “repeat offender” (so broadly defined as to include anyone who has had a relationship with more than one person, or who had sex with the same person more than once), or who had sex with a disabled person (consensual or not). The penalty for “aggravated homosexuality” is death by hanging.

Require anyone arrested on suspicion of homosexuality to undergo HIV testing to determine the individual’s qualification for prosecution of “aggravated homosexuality.”
Criminalize “attempted homosexuality” with imprisonment for seven years.
Criminalize “promoting” homosexuality with fines and imprisonment for between five and seven years. This overly-broad provision would criminalize all speech and peaceful assembly for those who advocate on behalf of LGBT citizens in Uganda . It would also criminalize any attempt to repeal or modify the law in the future, as those moves could also be seen as “promoting” homosexuality.

Criminalize “aiding and abetting homosexuality” with seven years imprisonment. This provision could be used against anyone extending counseling, medical care, or otherwise providing aide gay people.

Criminalize the act of obtaining a same-sex marriage abroad with lifetime imprisonment.
Add a clause which forces friends or family members to report LGBT persons to police within 24-hours of learning about that individual’s homosexuality or face fines or imprisonment for up to three years.

Penalize people who run “brothels” with five to seven years imprisonment for renting to LGBT people. However, it defines a brothel as “a house, room, set of rooms or place of any kind for the purposes of homosexuality” instead of the more normal definition of a place where commercial sex work takes place. Anyone’s bedroom would be a “brothel” under this definition, placing landlords and hotel owners in jeopardy for renting to LGBT people.

Add an extra-territorial and extradition provisions, allowing Uganda to prosecute LGBT Ugandans living abroad.

Void all international treaties, agreements and human rights obligations which conflict with this bill.
Box Turtle Bulletin » Here It Is: The Text of Uganda’s Proposed Anti-Homosexuality Bill

 

[Immanuel]

I take that you folks support FRC even though it is listed as a hate group. Thanks, I thought so.

SPLC has very specific criteria for calling them a hate group. It has nothing to do with biblical teachings but the way the group spreads falsehoods about gays and lesbians.

So the count is; mini14 and RD support them.

Yes, very specific criteria... if they declare you to be "radical right" then you are a hate group. That is the criteria. Then they throw your group in with a ton of KKK listings, Black Separatist groups regardless of what your real position is and declare you to be a hate group.

Bravo for the falsehoods of the SPLC!

For the second year in a row, the radical right in America expanded explosively in 2010, driven by resentment over the changing racial demographics of the country, frustration over the government’s handling of the economy, and the mainstreaming of conspiracy theories and other demonizing propaganda aimed at various minorities. For many on the radical right, anger is focusing on President Obama, who is seen as embodying everything that’s wrong with the country.

Hate groups topped 1,000 for the first time since the Southern Poverty Law Center began counting such groups in the 1980s. Anti-immigrant vigilante groups, despite having some of the political wind taken out of their sails by the adoption of hard-line anti-immigration laws around the country, continued to rise slowly. But by far the most dramatic growth came in the antigovernment “Patriot” movement — conspiracy-minded organizations that see the federal government as their primary enemy — which gained more than 300 new groups, a jump of over 60%.

Think I'll pass on accepting their word as to who is and who is not a hate group.

Immie

 

[Sky Dancer]

Here is another article that is exhaustively researched and covers timeline of the bill up till March 2010:
Box Turtle Bulletin » Slouching Towards Kampala: Uganda’s Deadly Embrace of Hate

 

[Sky Dancer]

March 16, 2011

Uganda's Ethics and Integrity Minister resigns (Burturo few months after his appointment as Ethics minister, Parliament in October 2006 ordered Dr Buturo to pay back Shs20 million he received from Mega FM, a local radio station in Gulu. The Public Accounts Committee (PAC) was told he had received the money while he was Information Minister. Dr Buturo, who put up a spirited defence against the allegations, eventually bowed to public pressure and paid the money in installments.) and takes parting shot at gays and calls for passage of 'kill gays' legislation;

"I urge Ugandans to reject roundly evils of corruption, homosexuality, pornography and witchcraft. They should remain steadfast in their rejection of these evils in the face of fierce opposition from the offers and apologists. … I urge you to put pressure on Parliament to debate, amend the Anti-Homosexuality Bill where necessary, and pass a law that will serve interests of Ugandans and not laws of our friends."

The bill may be brought to a vote when Parliament reconvenes for its lame duck session on March 22.

Box Turtle Bulletin

 

[Sky Dancer]

I take that you folks support FRC even though it is listed as a hate group. Thanks, I thought so.

SPLC has very specific criteria for calling them a hate group. It has nothing to do with biblical teachings but the way the group spreads falsehoods about gays and lesbians.

So the count is; mini14 and RD support them.

Bravo for the falsehoods of the SPLC!

Think I'll pass on accepting their word as to who is and who is not a hate group.
Immie

I'm sure you will Immie. I've provided much more proof of FRC's lies directly from their own pamphlets. Ignore all of that if you will.

SPLC is not lying. I proved it by showing FRC's own hateful and lying statements about gays and their junk science that supposedly backs it.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I take that you folks support FRC even though it is listed as a hate group. Thanks, I thought so.

SPLC has very specific criteria for calling them a hate group. It has nothing to do with biblical teachings but the way the group spreads falsehoods about gays and lesbians.

So the count is; mini14, Immie, Newby and RD support them.

Bravo for the falsehoods of the SPLC!
Think I'll pass on accepting their word as to who is and who is not a hate group.

Immie

Thanks for showing your true colors. Christian posters all closing ranks against the SPLC who shows the truth about FRC.

 

[Sky Dancer]

For anyone else NOT interested in calling me or the SPLC bigoted liars I have proof of FRC's anti-gay hate propaganda on these posts:

281, 275 and 273

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Why did I mention lobbying to keep NAMBLA out of gay pride parades? They aren't a gay group. They're a group of pedophiles.

Yet you had to lobby to keep them out of the parade.

Think about that for a minute.

I don't have to think about it, bud. They've tried to get in to gay pride parades because they support gay rights. Straight people march in gay pride parades too. They aren't gay and neither is NAMBLA.

They are NOT a gay group. They are a pedophile group. Too bad you don't know the difference. We're not child molestors. Many of us are parents ourselves.

Your prejudice is showing.

I am homophobic and prejudiced for pointing out you had to actually work to keep NAMBLA out of your parade?

Tell me something, do you consider this article to be homophibic because it points out the historical controversy that arose when the ILGA got consultant status with the UN even though it allowed NAMBLA, MARTIJN, and Project Truth to be part of its organization?

Be honest Sky, it makes you appear sane. It took years, and constant lobbying by many gay groups who opposed pedophilia, before NAMBLA was marginalized like it is now. Admitting to the mistakes of the past does not mean that you supported them, it just means you are aware of them.



North American Man/Boy Love Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sky Dancer]

Yet you had to lobby to keep them out of the parade.

Think about that for a minute.

I don't have to think about it, bud. They've tried to get in to gay pride parades because they support gay rights. Straight people march in gay pride parades too. They aren't gay and neither is NAMBLA.

They are NOT a gay group. They are a pedophile group. Too bad you don't know the difference. We're not child molestors. Many of us are parents ourselves.

Your prejudice is showing.

I am homophobic and prejudiced for pointing out you had to actually work to keep NAMBLA out of your parade?

Tell me something, do you consider this article to be homophibic because it points out the historical controversy that arose when the ILGA got consultant status with the UN even though it allowed NAMBLA, MARTIJN, and Project Truth to be part of its organization?

Be honest Sky, it makes you appear sane. It took years, and constant lobbying by many gay groups who opposed pedophilia, before NAMBLA was marginalized like it is now. Admitting to the mistakes of the past does not mean that you supported them, it just means you are aware of them.
North American Man/Boy Love Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From 1979 on, gay rights groups, (especially lesbians) have opposed NAMBLA. That's very nearly from the beginning.

I have NEVER supported NAMBLA. That is the truth. Don't you dare tell me I'm lying about something like that.

Yes, by emphasizing this point you are homophobic. You are propagating the myth that homosexuality and pedophilia are one and the same.

Why aren't you asking me why it was an issue for gays and lesbians from the very beginning?

Some people thought NAMBLA should be included in a gay pride parade because as an organization they agreed with the goals of gay civil rights. That has always been a stupid argument. I have no idea why they were ever included in any pride parade. I will see if I can find what the prevailing rationale was for their inclusion at the time.

I only marched in two pride parades in my whole life. Both were acts of courage. NAMBLA was not present.

NAMBLA once marched in Gay Pride parades. The Klu Klux clan once marched in parades, the Communist Party once marched in parades, admirers of Hitler and the Nazi party once marched in Parades.

Don't you dare tell me I ever supported them or they are a HUGE part of gay civil rights movement. That's a lie. Trying to tie all homosexuals to illegal child molestation is a well established propaganda technique whose premise is false and abhorrent. It's a lie propagated by FRC.

I would NEVER hurt a child for ANY reason. ANYONE gay or straight who molests a child should be thrown in jail and punished.

 

[Immanuel]

I take that you folks support FRC even though it is listed as a hate group. Thanks, I thought so.

SPLC has very specific criteria for calling them a hate group. It has nothing to do with biblical teachings but the way the group spreads falsehoods about gays and lesbians.

So the count is; mini14 and RD support them.

Bravo for the falsehoods of the SPLC!

Think I'll pass on accepting their word as to who is and who is not a hate group.
Immie

I'm sure you will Immie. I've provided much more proof of FRC's lies directly from their own pamphlets. Ignore all of that if you will.

SPLC is not lying. I proved it by showing FRC's own hateful and lying statements about gays and their junk science that supposedly backs it.

All that you have done my friend, as I read the first 15 pages of the thread, is prove that SPLC is exactly what they claim to oppose and that you blame all Christians (despite the fact that you will come back here and say you do not blame "all" Christians) for what a few do.

SPLC is no better than the other groups such as FRC in regards to slanting things for their own political purposes. That is exactly what both SPLC and FRC do. FRC is not a hate group. They do not promote the killing of homosexuals. From my understanding of the bill you have dubbed "the kill gays bill", it makes it a crime to enter into a sexual relationship if you have AIDS without informing your partner and quite frankly, I think it should be considered a crime, although, I do not think it should be a capital offense. AIDS is a deadly disease and until some researcher comes upon the cure for it, having sex when you are HIV Positive is nothing short of attempted murder. It should be punished regardless of whether or not the person who is HIV Positive is straight, gay or bi.

I'm no fan of FRC. Their agenda is too far right for me, but under no circumstances do I believe they are a hate group regardless of what SPLC says about them simply because the two groups have a difference of opinion.

Immie

 

[Immanuel]

I take that you folks support FRC even though it is listed as a hate group. Thanks, I thought so.

SPLC has very specific criteria for calling them a hate group. It has nothing to do with biblical teachings but the way the group spreads falsehoods about gays and lesbians.

So the count is; mini14, Immie, Newby and RD support them.

Bravo for the falsehoods of the SPLC!
Think I'll pass on accepting their word as to who is and who is not a hate group.

Immie

Thanks for showing your true colors. Christian posters all closing ranks against the SPLC who shows the truth about FRC.

That's right the Buddhist's way, "If you do not kiss my ass and agree with me, you are my enemy." Bravo!!

Immie

 

[Sky Dancer]

Bravo for the falsehoods of the SPLC!
Think I'll pass on accepting their word as to who is and who is not a hate group.

Immie

Thanks for showing your true colors. Christian posters all closing ranks against the SPLC who shows the truth about FRC.

That's right the Buddhist's way, "If you do not kiss my ass and agree with me, you are my enemy." Bravo!!

Immie

I have shown the truth about FRC and why SPLC rightly calls them a hate group. You don't believe me, the facts printed in FRC publications, or the SPLC. That's your choice.

Some friend you are. FRC says we're all child molestors. You believe that, Immie? Bravo

They say we have an agenda to recruit children and harm them. You believe that Immie? Bravo.

They say 85% of us ingest feces. Do you believe that too, Immie? Bravo

You say you believe the FRC over the SPLC. Bravo.

Did you know the SPLC helps close down racist hate groups like the White Aryan Resistance who murdered Ethiopian Mulageta Seraw. You want to discredit them? Bravo


FRC says homosexuals are three times more likely to admit to having made an obscene phone call and a third more apt to report a traffic ticket or traffic accident in the past 5 years. Believe that BS, Immie? Bravo.

Go ahead and take a pot shot at me for being upset over the FRC and a Buddhist. Bravo. Bad Sky. Bad Buddhist. Bravo

God forbid Sky should be a human being with feelings. Wake up call. Sentient beings have feelings. I never said I was a buddha.

Is it the Christian way to demand that I respect all Christians the same, even when they do evil in their God's name? Read the Pink Swastika. If ever there was an evil book, it's that one. Did you know gays caused the Holocaust?

Bravo.

I still call you friend, even though it hurts that you believe the FRC over the SPLC. FRC lies. SPLC does not.

sky dancer

 

[Immanuel]

Thanks for showing your true colors. Christian posters all closing ranks against the SPLC who shows the truth about FRC.

That's right the Buddhist's way, "If you do not kiss my ass and agree with me, you are my enemy." Bravo!!

Immie

I have shown the truth about FRC and why SPLC rightly calls them a hate group. You don't believe me, the facts printed in FRC publications or the SPLC.

Some friend you are. FRC says we're all child molestors. You believe that, Immie? They say we have an agenda to recruit children and harm them. You believe that Immie.

They say 85% of us ingest feces. Do you believe that too, Immie?

Oh please! My Lord, do you ever read the hateful shit you post? Get over yourself!

You spread 20 times the religious hatred compared to all Christians combined on this board yet you have the nerve to accuse others of hating you?

According to a link provided by someone else earlier in the thread, the FRC made it perfectly clear they do not believe all or even most homosexuals are child molesters, yet you will take the lies of SPLC because they fit your agenda of hate.

I've read nothing from pages of the FRC that states that all homosexuals attempt to recruit children... yet you spread this BS about them as if it were true because you read it from the SPLC and because they fit your agenda of hate?

I've read none of that crap about eating feces either? I have heard that there is a fetish where people do that disgusting act, but I have never read that it was prominent in the homosexual lifestyle or any more so than it is in the straight lifestyle. It is rather disgusting.

You believe your precious SPLC because they coincide with your agenda of hatred of Christians. All that makes you is another hater which is very sad.

Immie

 

[Mini 14]

if NAMBLA isn't a gay organization, they might want to consider changing their name?

 

[JohnA]

Yeah.

You will.

No, I won't. Typical Christian shoving your beliefs down my throat. Instead of wishing me happiness you want me to go to hell.

LOL!!!!

Struck a nerve, have I?

Remind me again the purpose of this thread?

You wouldn't be shoving your beliefs down our throats now, would you?

Ahhhh sweet, sweet Sky.

Blinded by anger and hate.

I'm going to pray for you again right now.

But it would mean more to Him if you did it yourself.

praying is a early sign of madness
talking to yourself if you pray enough you might get yourself to answer

 

[R.D.]

if NAMBLA isn't a gay organization, they might want to consider changing their name?

I can never wrap my brain around the logic that most homosexual abuse on children is not done be homosexuals.

 

[jillian]

if NAMBLA isn't a gay organization, they might want to consider changing their name?

I can never wrap my brain around the logic that most homosexual abuse on children is not done be homosexuals.

except that isn't the issue now, is it?

the real issue is that most PEDOPHILES are heterosexual....maybe that's why your intentionally misleading comment is confusing to you.

 

[R.D.]

if NAMBLA isn't a gay organization, they might want to consider changing their name?

I can never wrap my brain around the logic that most homosexual abuse on children is not done be homosexuals.

except that isn't the issue now, is it?

the real issue is that most PEDOPHILES are heterosexual....maybe that's why your intentionally misleading comment is confusing to you.

Changing the subject doesn't change that facts.

It has been stated numerous times that most homosexual molestation is not done by homosexuals.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I don't have to think about it, bud. They've tried to get in to gay pride parades because they support gay rights. Straight people march in gay pride parades too. They aren't gay and neither is NAMBLA.

They are NOT a gay group. They are a pedophile group. Too bad you don't know the difference. We're not child molestors. Many of us are parents ourselves.

Your prejudice is showing.

I am homophobic and prejudiced for pointing out you had to actually work to keep NAMBLA out of your parade?

Tell me something, do you consider this article to be homophibic because it points out the historical controversy that arose when the ILGA got consultant status with the UN even though it allowed NAMBLA, MARTIJN, and Project Truth to be part of its organization?

Be honest Sky, it makes you appear sane. It took years, and constant lobbying by many gay groups who opposed pedophilia, before NAMBLA was marginalized like it is now. Admitting to the mistakes of the past does not mean that you supported them, it just means you are aware of them.
North American Man/Boy Love Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From 1979 on, gay rights groups, (especially lesbians) have opposed NAMBLA. That's very nearly from the beginning.

I have NEVER supported NAMBLA. That is the truth. Don't you dare tell me I'm lying about something like that.

Yes, by emphasizing this point you are homophobic. You are propagating the myth that homosexuality and pedophilia are one and the same.

Why aren't you asking me why it was an issue for gays and lesbians from the very beginning?

Some people thought NAMBLA should be included in a gay pride parade because as an organization they agreed with the goals of gay civil rights. That has always been a stupid argument. I have no idea why they were ever included in any pride parade. I will see if I can find what the prevailing rationale was for their inclusion at the time.

I only marched in two pride parades in my whole life. Both were acts of courage. NAMBLA was not present.

NAMBLA once marched in Gay Pride parades. The Klu Klux clan once marched in parades, the Communist Party once marched in parades, admirers of Hitler and the Nazi party once marched in Parades.

Don't you dare tell me I ever supported them or they are a HUGE part of gay civil rights movement. That's a lie. Trying to tie all homosexuals to illegal child molestation is a well established propaganda technique whose premise is false and abhorrent. It's a lie propagated by FRC.

I would NEVER hurt a child for ANY reason. ANYONE gay or straight who molests a child should be thrown in jail and punished.

Where did I say you personally supported, or even tolerated, NAMBLA?

My point it that gay rights groups sometimes ignored what people were about as long as they gave lip service to supporting their beliefs. What I am doing is contrasting your insistence that, because the SPLC says something is a hate group, that does not make them a hate group. NAMBLA called itself a gay rights group, and, when their agenda was pointed out, some gay rights activists defended them. Some even went so far as to accuse anyone who objected to NAMBLA of being homophobic.

(Do you see a pattern here?)

This is history, and me pointing it out no more makes me homophobic than you pointing out that the KKK marched in parades makes you a racist. If I wanted to argue that a correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia I would do so. I have no trouble stating my opinions, and never will.

If you want to know what really perpetuates the myth between pedophilia and homosexuality I can tell you what it is. It is the vehement denial of the history between gay rights activism and groups like NAMBLA. This is what gave Jesse Helms the moral high ground in 1993, allowing him to force Clinton to back down on his promise to allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military. If the ILGA had marginalized the pedophiles before that time you might not be sitting here arguing about gay marriage, you might already have nationwide acceptance of it.

Just something to think about.