100,000 people shot in the US per year! Good guy saving lives?

[Pop23]

Better check your numbers, unless you rely on Facebook for your news.

The first is data for deaths by guns, which is included in an annual report about deaths of all types during calendar year 2009. The numbers for gun deaths is broken down into several categories:

Suicide: 18,735 deaths
Homicide: 11,493 deaths
Unintentional: 554 deaths
Legal interventions: 333 deaths
Undetermined: 232 deaths

Total: 31,347 deaths

The second data set tracks non-fatal injuries by guns. According to the CDC, there were 73,505 non-fatal firearm injuries in 2010. (We will ignore an additional 13,851 non-fatal injuries from BB or pellet guns.)

How accurate is the Facebook post?

If you add together the gun deaths and the non-fatal gun injuries, you get 104,852 people shot in a year. That’s very close to the 1000,000 the Facebook post said.

------------------------------------------------------------ so 18 thousand suiciders , they don't count as they'll just kill themselves in a different fashion . Legal interventions are also cool and don't count and non fatal doesn't count either . All in ALL thats pretty good for a country of 330 million of all sorts in the USA . How many die yearly traveling Americas highways and byways Kiss .

Non fatal doesn't count? Imagine the medical bills. How many cripples created?

------------------------------------------------ such is life , pay the bill if you shoot yourself or your kid or other in a gun accident Brian .

Delete gun, insert car.

Point?

 

[pismoe]

And his type are one of the reasons i oppose importation of foreign peoples . They get to the USA and then work against America and Americans . See his words and thinking on the USA Constitution . H e might be a taxpayer paid teacher teaching American kids in USA History class .

 

[rightwinger]

Do 100,000 people get shot every year in U.S.? Facebook post says yes

Americans use their legal guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack.....rapes, robberies and murder...
Which number is bigger?

The benefits of an normal people owning and carrying guns for self defense far outweigh the criminal acts done by criminals that democrats keep letting out of jail....if democrats really cared about lowering gun crime, you would think they would keep gun criminals in jail.....


And here we see lives saved, and lives not destroyed......because normal people in this country can own and carry guns...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



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-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Fantasy bullshit the first time you posted it
Fantasy bullshit now

Exactly how is that fantasy? It is the truth about the increase in gun numbers both owning and carrying...we have states that keep track of gun permits......which gives us the 17 million number and it is over that because many states have "Constitutional" Carry, which means you don't need a permit to carry a gun....so they aren't even counted in that number...

then, you have PEW...tell us how PEW is a right wing polling place......right?

A gun owner claiming he scared off the bad guys and prevented a murder is fantasy

Dumb shit...here just a few of the stories.....

Attacker with knife flees after woman reveals her concealed carry gun, police say

A woman in Illinois was reportedly able to protect herself with her concealed carry firearm after a stranger with a knife jumped into her car.

Police said a woman who was parked near a shopping mall in Moline on Sunday was attacked by a man who fought his way into her car, according to WQAD 8.

During the fight, the man reportedly slashed the woman’s arm with a knife. He then ordered the woman to drive to Rock Island County, a rural area, according to police.

DC GUN-FREE ZONES CAUSE CONFUSION OVER LEGALITY OF GUN CARRY EVEN WITH A PERMIT

Once the woman stopped the car, she was able to reach her gun, which she had a concealed carry firearm permit for, WQAD 8 reported.

After the attacker saw the weapon, he reportedly ran off and she was able to drive herself to the hospital.

Police subsequently opened an investigation and arrested Floyd R. May, 61.

May was charged with aggravated kidnapping, aggravated battery with a weapon, unlawful use of a weapon by a felon and aggravated assault.


'I had to take care of things': Gun-wielding Texas mother scares off intruder
The family does not want to be identified, but wanted to share the story in hope that awareness can help in similar situations.

The mother was at home with the family's 3-month-old daughter Thursday night. Her husband was out of town working, but was coming home Friday to celebrate the first Christmas with their daughter.

After tossing and turning in bed for a while, the mother was not able to fall asleep and went to the living room around 11:30 p.m.

About an hour later, she heard the home alarm beep and her back door open.

Her instinct kicked in.

"I froze for a second and then I realized I needed to spring into action, I mean, I had my baby in the house. I was alone. My husband was away on business, so I had to take care of things," she said.

She grabbed a gun and went towards the back door, where she found a man standing in her kitchen.

She yelled at the man while pointing the gun at him, and her dog ran towards him, scaring him out of the back door.

She locked the door and called 911.

Good Guy with Gun Stops Sex Assault on Hiking Trail


According to The Blaze, Josh Williams, 39, nearly left his handgun at home when heading out to the hiking trail on a dark morning back in September, but he felt the nagging sensation that he should take it anyway. That turned out to be the right call because while on the trail at 5:30 a.m., Williams heard a woman scream loud enough to get past his music-blaring earbuds.

In the darkness, Williams shined his flashlight and discovered a woman being sexually assaulted and approached the perpetrator.

“I came up, pulled my gun and told him to get off of her,” Williams recalled. He then asked the man to get on his knees and asked to see his hands: “That way I knew he didn’t have a weapon. And at that point he was no threat, so I didn’t feel the need to shoot him.”

The perp ran away but thanks to a good description from both the victim and Williams, police were able to later apprehend 22-year-old Richard McEachern and charge him with sexual assault.

The victim was very glad Williams decided to carry that day and used a gun to save her from a dangerous situation. That was the first time Williams ever pointed his weapon at another person, but it confirmed for him the importance of the Second Amendment:

“It’s dark, and I don’t know what’s out there, so I have it to protect myself and other people. That’s what it’s all about anyway — to help other people with it, not just myself.

“I didn’t think I’d ever have to pull it. Did I want to? No, not at all. But just … right place, right time.”

Deputies: Mass Stabbing Suspect Stopped When Fourth Target Pulled a Gun - Breitbart

Deputies say a suspect who allegedly stabbed three people in Seminole, Florida, stopped when a fourth individual pulled a gun on him.
The incident occurred Sunday afternoon in broad daylight.
According to The Patch, the incident began when witnesses alleged they saw 49-year-old Bobby Martin Watson trying to rob a woman in a Publix parking lot. Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office deputies indicate that the woman–44-year-old Rosanna Lynn–struggled with Watson and he stabbed her.
Watson then ran and a witness–44-year-old Christopher McMann–approached, only to get stabbed as well.
Deputies said a second good Samaritan–31-year-old Travis Jones–then chased and tackled Watson, only to be “stabbed in the abdomen during the struggle that ensued.” Forty-year-old Donald Rush saw what was happening, grabbed his gun from his vehicle and ran at Watson. He was able to take away the knife “and held [Watson] at gunpoint until deputies arrived.”
Rush did not have to fire his gun. The sight of the brandished firearm was enough to stop the attack.
Watson was booked into the Pinellas County jail. He faces charges of “armed robbery and three counts of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon.”

17-Year-Old Spokane Girl Grabs Dad's Gun, Scares Off Home Intruder

On Monday morning, a 17-year-old Spokane girl gave a suspected car thief a rude reception when he invaded her house; brandishing her father’s gun in his face before he fled like a scared rabbit.

The entire sequence of events started at roughly 5:00 a.m. when deputies spotted a stolen car in the Wandermere area. Once they started pursuing the suspect, he fled on foot.

The police provided updates on the The Wake Up Show on KHQ. Meanwhile, 17-year-old Kimber Wood's boyfriend and parents saw the updates, before they left for work. Her boyfriend met some deputies on his way, then called Kimber to inform him of what was happening.

Kimber called her father to ask if she could grab one of his guns. He assented, whereupon she placed it under her pillow and went back to sleep.

She awakened and heard an intruder, prompting her to grab the gun. Hiding behind her makeup vanity, she suddenly came face to face with the car thief.

Brandishing her gun, she pointed it at the suspect and said, "Who are you?" and "Get the (expletive) out of my house!"

The thief beat a hasty retreat after stealing her boyfriend’s ATV; but Kimber wanted to make sure he got the message, firing one shot into the ground as he fled.

Four People, Dog Stabbed During Buffalo Grove Home Invasion

CHICAGO (CBS) — Four people and their family dog were stabbed early Wednesday, when two masked men broke into their home in north suburban Buffalo Grove.

Police said the homeowner grabbed a handgun during the home invasion, and opened fire, chasing off the suspects.

Just after midnight, police responded to a home invasion in the 400 block of St. Marys Parkway, and found several windows had been broken, and the front door had been forced open. Officers discovered a bloody scene inside.

Witnesses told police that two masked attackers had broken in, and a man armed with a large hunting knife repeatedly stabbed the 49-year-old homeowner. Three other people and the family’s German Shepherd also were stabbed.

During the struggle, the homeowner retrieved a handgun, and opened fire, causing the attackers to run away.

“It’s pretty shocking,” neighbor Bob Meyer said. “This neighborhood is very, very quiet. We’ve lived here for 30-plus years, and this stuff just doesn’t happen here; just doesn’t happen.”

Man Armed With a Handgun Saves Cop Who Was Pinned to the Ground By Suspect - Inside Edition

Wheeler said he was being attacked by a homeless man who later acknowledged to officers that he was high on crystal meth. Knocked to the ground and fighting to subdue the “very irritated and out of sorts” attacker, Wheeler ended up on his back with the man straddling him.

“I’ve never been in that situation before,” the 14-year department veteran told InsideEdition.com Wednesday. “I’ve always been able to take control of a situation.”

Earlier this week, Wheeler was able to reward Dylan DeBoard, the man who saved him, with the city’s Citizen’s Award of Valor. Every day, he remembers that day last year when things could have turned out far, far worse.

He often stops by DeBoard’s home, Wheeler said, just to say thanks. “Every time I see him I let him know how much I appreciate what he did.”

On that day last year, Wheeler’s shoulder microphone had been ripped off in the tussle, so he couldn’t call for back-up. And then the man started going for Wheeler’s gun. And that’s when Wheeler began to think he was running out of options.

“I pulled him in close to me to try to restrict his range of motion,” Wheeler said. But the suspect just kept “trying to reach my belt.”

And right about then, the man sat back and put his hands up. Wheeler wondered ‘What the …?’

He lifted his head and looked in the direction the man was staring. There stood another man, with a gun.

“I didn’t know if he was pointing at me or him,” Wheeler said, meaning the man sitting on him. That’s when DeBoard announced he had a concealed weapon permit.

While the suspect was distracted, Wheeler managed to flip him over and handcuff him.


Rifle-Wielding North Carolina Teen Scares Off Home Invaders: Defensive Gun Use of the Day - The Truth About Guns


Kirk Puckett, a spokesperson for the Alamance County Sheriff’s Office, said two sisters, 12 and 13, were inside the home when they heard knocking on the front door.

Puckett said when they looked outside, they saw three unfamiliar men. He said the older sister grabbed her dad’s rifle.

The suspects then broke in through the back door. Puckett said the 13-year-old pointed the rifle at them, causing them to run away without taking anything.

Neighbors praise the teen for her quick thinking.

“I am in awe of that young lady,” Jackie Garrison said. “To have had that kind of thoughtfulness going on in a time of crisis in her head to where that’s what she did, instead of running and hiding. She probably stopped something major from going on.”

At the risk of losing my PC credentials, Ms. Garrison ain’t whistlin’ Dixie. Three men breaking into a home with two teenage girls is a recipe for unthinkable atrocity. Only it isthinkable — by anyone who understands the value of hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. Including teaching their children how to react in an emergency.

Armed Citizen Saves Security Officer from 'Tire Iron' Beating

An armed citizen intervened in a parking lot attack, saving a loss prevention officer from an impending “tire iron” assault at the hands of robbery suspects.

According to KVII, Amarillo police say that around 12:45 p.m. on April 3, 35-year-old Ricky Solis was in a Home Depot parking lot in Amarillo, Texas, when he “[took] power tools from the store and left without paying.”

A loss prevention officer reportedly cornered Solis in the parking lot, and a struggle ensued. Police say that during the struggle a second suspect began attacking the loss prevention officer and kicked him in the face.

The second suspect went to his vehicle, grabbed a “tire iron,” and returned, apparently planning to use the iron on the officer.

At that point, a citizen with a concealed carry permit intervened, stopping the attack and reportedly forcing Solis to comply long enough to allow the loss prevention officer to handcuff him and hold him until police arrived.

Solis was arrested for robbery, and the second suspect was able to flee the scene.
4/2/16

St. Paul Woman Stops Violent Attack on Husband by Drawing Her Gun

A St. Paul, Minnesota man was brutally assaulted by a gang of 15 to 30 young men who were gambling in his driveway as he returned from work.


32-year-old Bruce Chang says when he tried to clear the group to gain access to his driveway, they began to assault him, even throwing rocks and jabbing sticks at his face and torso.

“I didn’t know I was stabbed but I felt the pressure and fell to one knee,” he said. “I immediately pushed off, because you got to survive.”

Although Chang had obtained his firearms permit for personal protection years ago, he is not allowed to carry at his workplace and says that’s why he did not have his weapon on him when he returned home that day.

Fortunately for him, his wife also has a permit. She was able to run outside and draw her gun – scaring off the gang and ending her husband’s violent attack.

“With one of my older neighbors, who knows what would have happened,” Chang said.
3/13/16


Woman Scares off Assailant With Stick. Just Kidding, it was a gun.

Just before 7pm on Wednesday night, a 29 year-old woman had gathered up her dog and headed outside to… well, to let her dog do what dogs do.

Upon her first step outside her Minot, North Dakota home, she was hit solidly in the face with a blunt object, knocking her backward down the stairs and into her home.

Her assailant followed her into her home and started to approach her, but the woman had made it to a cabinet where she retrieved a handgun to protect herself and her home.

When confronted with the firearm, the violent intruder and would-be robber/rapist/murderer fled the scene.

The smart, independent, gun-owning woman did not require medical attention, most likely due to the fact that she was able to pull a weapon on her assailant to end the attack.

Police: Concealed Permit Holder Saves Officer Surrounded By Mob - Breitbart

On February 5, an armed citizen saved an Upper Darby police officer who was under assault and encircled by a mob of onlookers.
Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said “there is no doubt they would have attacked” the officer without the armed citizen’s intervention.

According to Philly.com, the officer was breaking up a fight between two Upper Darby High School students–after school had let out for the day–and one of the students jumped the officer. Superintendent Chitwood said, “As he breaks up the fight, he takes one kid and then the other jumps [on] him. Now he’s fighting two of them and he’s calling for an assist officer at the same time. There’s a crowd of 40 or 50 kids watching the fight, and they all move in towards the officer.”

An area resident with a concealed carry permit saw the officer struggling and the crowd closing in, so he grabbed his gun and ran to the officer’s defense. The resident ordered the kids to get away from the officer and kept them away until sufficient backup arrived. Chitwood said, “He had the gun in his hand, but he didn’t point it at the kids, he just told them to back off. If this guy didn’t come out and come to the aid of the officer, this officer would have had significant problems.”

The officer who was under attack suffered “significant hand injuries” and the first officer to respond to calls for backup “suffered a major injury to a leg when he was kicked by one of the teens in the fight.”

Employee Stabbed At GM Warren Tech Center, Suspect In Custody

The women got into some kind of verbal dispute, Fouts said, during which the visitor pulled out a steak knife and violently stabbed the employee several times in the neck, abdomen and back.

A nearby valet driver, who also has a concealed pistol license, saw what was happening and rushed to the employee’s aid.

“He pulled the weapon out and stopped the attack from taking place,” said Fouts. “By then, this woman had been stabbed multiple times.”

The driver held the attacker on the ground at gunpoint as other GM workers called 911. Police quickly arrived on the scene and took the suspect into custody as the employee was rushed to the hospital.

She underwent surgery and was last reported in stable condition.

Homeowner Stays Armed In The House — Finds Knife-Wielding Man Inside And It Turns Out Great!

WILLMAR, MINNESOTA — A Willmar homeowner returned home to find a man wielding a knife in the middle of his living room. Using his pistol, which he was licensed to carry, he held the suspect at gunpoint and called 911. During the encounter, he allowed the suspect to leave after putting his buck knife down. Police caught up to the suspect, 37-year-old by the name of Shane Fellers. He was found inside a vehicle being operated by an unknown woman. Both were taken into custody and, according to the West Central Tribune, Fellers was held on a $70,000 unconditional bail for first degree burglary and burglary with a dangerous weapon. He also allegedly supplied the police officer with an incorrect name when he was initially apprehended — tacking on an additional misdemeanor.**********************

This is one of my Favorites.....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."

tl;dr

 

[pismoe]

What is needed is "Good guys with guns" patrols to save the innocent in dangerous areas.

----------------------------------------------------- what do you suggest here , am i hearing , reading that you want armed Taxpayer Paid Patrols of Soldiers or Police or Special tax payer paid people patrolling Americas Streets '4eye' ??

 

[2aguy]

100,000 people are shot in the USA every year!

How many were shot by a good guy with a gun saving lives?

The only good guys / hero's are the the people saving more & more lives of gunshot victims thereby reducing the murder rate. Gee I wonder why medical cost keep rising?

Guns don't kill people. Liberals and crazy people with guns kill people. Guns can do nothing by themselves. They cannot jump up and shoot someone by themselves.

So why arm crazy people with guns?

we don't. We have laws on the book that allow us to ban people who have been through the court system and found to be dangerously mentally ill from having guns.....they have this law in Florida, but the obama Promise Program, kept the police from using it against the shooter...

Why do you support democrats who keep letting violent gun criminals out of jail over and over again. These are criminals who have felonies, are caught with illegal guns, and then democrat policies put them back on the streets...if you want to stop more gun violence, stop voting for democrats who let violent gun criminals out of jail.

 

[2aguy]

What is needed is "Good guys with guns" patrols to save the innocent in dangerous areas.

We agree, now help us to end democrat gun free zones so normal people can carry their legally owned and carried guns into more public spaces.

 

[2aguy]

The whole entire world agrees that america has a gun problem. Till you meet the gun nuts in the US and their idiotic explanations:

"Guns don't kill people"....Yes they do, other countries don't have them...hence they have less murders per capita.
"We need them to fight tyrannical government"....You telling me that you have a chance vs Tanks, Tomahawks and F35s ? LOL
"Is in our constitution" that piece of paper that was written 300 years ago? wake up we live in the 21st century, and your forefathers ain't god or Jesus.

The dumbest people ever assembled in one country are the gun lovers.

Dip shit....Britain banned guns, confiscated guns and their gun crime rate keeps going up....

In the U.S. our gun crime rate keeps going down as more people own and carry guns.....

Gun crime across Europe is going up.....and they can't stop it because they don't understand that it is their welfare state creating single teenage mothers, and their immigration policies bringing in violent 3rd world males that are driving their gun crime rates...

Please...explain the following.....

Britain...banned guns....

Yorkshire sees highest number of crimes for any county in Britain according to figures

“In particular we’re shocked to see an increase of nearly 30 per cent in weapon possession offences between 2016 and 2017.”

Crimes covered violent and sexual offences, vehicle theft, public order offences, possession of weapons, shoplifting, personal theft, drug crimes, robbery, criminal damage, bicycle thefts and anti-social behaviour.


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Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .


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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.


The U.S., 600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense.......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[pismoe]

And his type are one of the reasons i oppose importation of foreign peoples . They get to the USA and then work against America and Americans . See his words and thinking on the USA Constitution . H e might be a taxpayer paid teacher teaching American kids in USA History class .

--------------------------------------------------------- thanks for noticing RWinger . But this particulat Anti Gun guy is an import from some 'berber land' and he had to come to the USA for opportunity , regular feeding and a civilized place to live because he and his blood , tribe could not build civilization in his homeland . I mean , hey , what great achievements by 'berbers' have you ever heard about RightWinger ??

 

[2aguy]

G.G.w.P.; "Good Guys with Guns Patrols". A public service in support of the Second Amendment, to illustrate what it's for, and that all the firearms serve some logical purpose. A positive action on the part of 'gun' enthusiasts, instead of simple intransigence and emotional bleating.

Then get rid of democrat gun free zones which make it illegal for good guys with guns to carry them in democrat gun free zones....

 

[2aguy]

Accidents and some shooting are the price Americans pay to have our Freedoms Brian .

Absolutely. Other people's school kids is quite an acceptable price to pay for easy access to handguns and military style semi-automatic rifles. After all, they're other people's.

There are no military style weapons...the AR-15 civilian rifle is not a military rifle, has never been used by the military and has never been used in war, it is no different from any other civilian rifle.....

Stop the lying.....you dumb shit.

 

[2aguy]

I simply responded to the nonsense that ARs can't be used to hunt.

Of course they can be used to hunt, but they aren't as safe or as useful as bolt actions in most circumstances. Shooting for control off a ute or out of a helicopter is where they may have an advantage.

Even so, the question remains, would you rather have other people's school kids alive or easy access to ARs and three extra coyote?

There are well over 8 million AR-15 civilian rifles in private hands......1 was used in Parkland....the other 8 million were used responsibly and lawfully even by the 18-20 year olds who own them...

You are an irrational human being.....you can watch cars kill 38,000 people a year, and ignore that, while one criminal, with one rifle, who should have been stopped by the police years before the attack gives you the emotional need to ban 8 million rifles...and more since asshats on your side now want to ban all semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns...

That is irrational and insane...

 

[2aguy]

The idea that one particular gun is inherently evil is ridiculous. The AR is not some weapon of mass slaughter. There are just under 10k murders a year (on average) where a firearm is used. All rifles combined total around 300. Handguns account for exponentially more murders.

This is true, but they are scary looking, so that's what makes the snowflakes melt over this issue.

Actually, that isn't the issue...

The thing the anti gunners know, and have recently revealed where before they hid it......they know that if they can focus on banning the AR-15 civilian rifle, it is very likely they can get it banned.....

Once they get the AR-15 civilian rifle banned.....they have now been given the power to ban all semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns since they all fire the exact same way....and they have told us this is exactly what they plan to do....they screamed it at the CNN TownHall, they marched to it in D.C. and their anti gun Justice wrote an op-ed about it.......

They want the AR-15 because that gives them all the other guns too...

 

[jon_berzerk]

coyotes are pack animals just sayin

Yeah? I've shot up quite a few mobs of goats at ranges of 10 to 20 metres in the bush. They're a herd animal. A bolt action was enough, I don't think I ever had targets left by the time I'd emptied the magazine plus the one in the chamber. And yes, that means six dead goats in case you were wondering.

so fucking what

 

[jon_berzerk]

coyotes are pack animals just sayin

Yeah? I've shot up quite a few mobs of goats at ranges of 10 to 20 metres in the bush. They're a herd animal. A bolt action was enough, I don't think I ever had targets left by the time I'd emptied the magazine plus the one in the chamber. And yes, that means six dead goats in case you were wondering.

10 to 20 meters? The closest coyote I ever got was more like 100 yards. I worked to get that dog in that close.

a hundred yards or more

 

[there4eyeM]

"Gun free zones" is a pretty ridiculous concept. It sounds like an attempt to regulate unregulated firearms.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The idea that one particular gun is inherently evil is ridiculous. The AR is not some weapon of mass slaughter. There are just under 10k murders a year (on average) where a firearm is used. All rifles combined total around 300. Handguns account for exponentially more murders.

This is true, but they are scary looking, so that's what makes the snowflakes melt over this issue.

Actually, that isn't the issue...

The thing the anti gunners know, and have recently revealed where before they hid it......they know that if they can focus on banning the AR-15 civilian rifle, it is very likely they can get it banned.....

Once they get the AR-15 civilian rifle banned.....they have now been given the power to ban all semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns since they all fire the exact same way....and they have told us this is exactly what they plan to do....they screamed it at the CNN TownHall, they marched to it in D.C. and their anti gun Justice wrote an op-ed about it.......

They want the AR-15 because that gives them all the other guns too...

I think that the AR is the starting point. Next mass shooting that doesn't use an AR, they will move to ban whatever weapon was used in that shooting next.

Before that it was high capacity magazines that would save the country from mass shootings. But Oh! The Fla school shooter didn't use any high capacity magazines. So forget about that, and let's attack the AR.

Banning guns does not stop a killer. Banning guns just stops the killer from using guns. Just ask anybody who lives in London.

 

[WinterBorn]

coyotes are pack animals just sayin

Yeah? I've shot up quite a few mobs of goats at ranges of 10 to 20 metres in the bush. They're a herd animal. A bolt action was enough, I don't think I ever had targets left by the time I'd emptied the magazine plus the one in the chamber. And yes, that means six dead goats in case you were wondering.

10 to 20 meters? The closest coyote I ever got was more like 100 yards. I worked to get that dog in that close.

a hundred yards or more

Yeah, usually a lot more. The 100 yard one came in from an area I was not expecting and I didn't have a good shot until he was close. I did some good calling that evening.

 

[2aguy]

The idea that one particular gun is inherently evil is ridiculous. The AR is not some weapon of mass slaughter. There are just under 10k murders a year (on average) where a firearm is used. All rifles combined total around 300. Handguns account for exponentially more murders.

This is true, but they are scary looking, so that's what makes the snowflakes melt over this issue.

Actually, that isn't the issue...

The thing the anti gunners know, and have recently revealed where before they hid it......they know that if they can focus on banning the AR-15 civilian rifle, it is very likely they can get it banned.....

Once they get the AR-15 civilian rifle banned.....they have now been given the power to ban all semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns since they all fire the exact same way....and they have told us this is exactly what they plan to do....they screamed it at the CNN TownHall, they marched to it in D.C. and their anti gun Justice wrote an op-ed about it.......

They want the AR-15 because that gives them all the other guns too...

I think that the AR is the starting point. Next mass shooting that doesn't use an AR, they will move to ban whatever weapon was used in that shooting next.

Before that it was high capacity magazines that would save the country from mass shootings. But Oh! The Fla school shooter didn't use any high capacity magazines. So forget about that, and let's attack the AR.

Banning guns does not stop a killer. Banning guns just stops the killer from using guns. Just ask anybody who lives in London.

If you look at these local towns passing new gun laws...they aren't saying "Assault weapons" anymore, they are banning all Semi automatic weapons....and pretending they don't know it bans shotguns and pistols too....

This Illinois Town Might Not Have Intended to Ban My Family's 'Peashooter,' But They Still Did

In a Friday article "My Family's Peashooter Is Now an Illegal 'Assault Weapon' in This Illinois Town," I wrote that a new "assault weapon" ban in Deerfield, Illinois, was written so broadly that it outlawed an old .22 semi-automatic rifle kept by my decidedly non-firearm-obsessed family.

Since publishing that article, I have received a number of emails and comments from readers claiming that my family's rifle would not actually be prohibited because of a specific exemption contained in the Deerfield ordinance.

I understand why people would come to this conclusion. But that's not what the law says.

Deerfield ordinance makes it unlawful to store or keep assault weapons, promising fines for people who do not comply. The ordinance also gives several definitions for what counts as an unlawful assault weapon. The first is "a semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a large capacity magazine detachable or otherwise"—with "large capacity magazine" defined as a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds—and which comes with one of several features, including a pistol grip or adjustable stock. The second definition reads "a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition."

As many commenters have pointed out, the definition of "large capacity magazine" includes a specific exemption for "a 22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device"—the same device on my family's rifle. That would certainly exempt my family's rifle from the first definition. But it would not exempt it from the second definition. The .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device is still a "fixed magazine," even if it is exempted from being a "large capacity magazine." Thus from a plain interpretation of the text, is still prohibited.

Why would the bill include both a carveout for tube magazines and a catch-all prohibition on semi-automatic rifles with magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds? I can only assume sloppy drafting by the bill's authors.

Interestingly, the federal assault weapons ban being floated by Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) makes sure to specifically exempt .22 tube feeding magazines from its definition of semi-automatic assault weapons. Feinstein's definition reads "a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition."
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Why would the bill include both a carveout for tube magazines and a catch-all prohibition on semi-automatic rifles with magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds? I can only assume sloppy drafting by the bill's authors.

It isn't "sloppy drafting" I call it the gun control Bait and Switch....

 

[2aguy]

coyotes are pack animals just sayin

Yeah? I've shot up quite a few mobs of goats at ranges of 10 to 20 metres in the bush. They're a herd animal. A bolt action was enough, I don't think I ever had targets left by the time I'd emptied the magazine plus the one in the chamber. And yes, that means six dead goats in case you were wondering.

10 to 20 meters? The closest coyote I ever got was more like 100 yards. I worked to get that dog in that close.

a hundred yards or more

Yeah, usually a lot more. The 100 yard one came in from an area I was not expecting and I didn't have a good shot until he was close. I did some good calling that evening.

What do you mean by "Calling" for those of us who don't hunt, or cull coyotes? I am interested in what that entails...

 

[WinterBorn]

coyotes are pack animals just sayin

Yeah? I've shot up quite a few mobs of goats at ranges of 10 to 20 metres in the bush. They're a herd animal. A bolt action was enough, I don't think I ever had targets left by the time I'd emptied the magazine plus the one in the chamber. And yes, that means six dead goats in case you were wondering.

10 to 20 meters? The closest coyote I ever got was more like 100 yards. I worked to get that dog in that close.

a hundred yards or more

Yeah, usually a lot more. The 100 yard one came in from an area I was not expecting and I didn't have a good shot until he was close. I did some good calling that evening.

What do you mean by "Calling" for those of us who don't hunt, or cull coyotes? I am interested in what that entails...

At the time I was using a remote controlled electronic call and a mouth call. I would make the sound of coyote pups or wounded animals to lure in a coyote. Coyote are cagey animals. They have the eyesight of a turkey and the sense of smell of a whitetail deer. Overdo the calling and they will disappear. Especially the older ones.