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thats what you libs don't get, its not either welfare or prison----how about a government whose primary goal was to set up an economic system that would create enough new jobs every year to provide employment for every citizen who is able to work?
Instead what we have today is a govt that wants to punish job creators because they have enough money to create jobs---its stupidity.
MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT LIKE THE FOUNDING GENERATION. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. A recent study shows that those making less than $100,000 have zero impact on policy....they should pay 0 taxes.
Maybe we should...................but here in reality land, what chance do you give that what you propose will happen? No taxes without representation?
But what about the houses and the gas taxes and such? All gas and all houses and all income are the same according to Skull and we should all pay the same. Of course we could all pay the same of the richer people. Skull never mentions what level the "same" will be.
It is unlikely without a massive revolt. But it does help justify 'progressive' taxation.
Social Security taxes, which are paid in a higher percentage by the less wealthy, now fund a large chunk of federal government.
I think I like the idea of a progressive land tax actually, and elimination of the mortgage deduction. Unrealistic to have varying taxes on gas, but waste of federal highway spending needs to be reigned in.
Maybe we should...................but here in reality land, what chance do you give that what you propose will happen? No taxes without representation?
But what about the houses and the gas taxes and such? All gas and all houses and all income are the same according to Skull and we should all pay the same. Of course we could all pay the same of the richer people. Skull never mentions what level the "same" will be.
It is unlikely without a massive revolt. But it does help justify 'progressive' taxation.
Social Security taxes, which are paid in a higher percentage by the less wealthy, now fund a large chunk of federal government.
I think I like the idea of a progressive land tax actually, and elimination of the mortgage deduction. Unrealistic to have varying taxes on gas, but waste of federal highway spending needs to be reigned in.
Social Security taxes, which are paid in a higher percentage by the less wealthy, now fund a large chunk of federal government.
Not really. In our wondrous Obameconomy, Social Security, since 2010, has been paying out more benefits than was paid in from payroll taxes.
Fax free municipal bonds don't just fund idiotic local projects. They are the major funding source for almost all local projects. Making municipal bonds taxable means they will be less attractive to investors. The result? Instead of money going to public projects – repairing bridges, fixing dams, funding schools – it will go to Apple, Netflix, or Citibank. Is that what we want? There are already plenty of incentives to invest in the private sector; we shouldn't erase incentives to encourage private investment in the public sector.Well - the 16% is an "effective" rate. The book rate on the higher income levels is quite a bit higher. But since almost everyone lowers their effective rate with deductions and tax credits, the effective rate for the most wealthy (and the effective rate for everyone) turns out to be a lot lower than the "book rate."
Instead of jacking up the rates, why not eliminate some of the deductions and credits?
Why do either?
I think 16% of $20 Million is far better than 32% of $1 Million. At the high end the basis for the tax rate should be one that maximizes funding, not one that makes for a good political talking point.
one thing both right and left could agree on I think is the elimination of the tax-exemption for municipal bonds.....the right could agree because these bonds fund some of the most idiotic of local projects....unneeded and unused"convention centers" and sports stadiums for the super-rich. ...the left could agree because these bonds go for corporate Welfare and because they are a tax loophole really only useful for the wealthy .
Because it is unconstitutional to pay federal income taxes on the "dollar earned", we can only be taxed on our GAIN on our labor wages just as businesses are only taxed on their GAIN, not their total revenues.No, what Libs find unfair is flatening the progressive income tax without flatening all the other regressive taxes and not counting all income the same.So, if everybody paid an equal tax percentage, most liberals would find that unfair. And the result ends up being what they call "fair share", which is both unequal and unfair
Get it?
All income should be counted as the same and it should all be taxed at one rate with no exceptions.
You all pay the same tax on a gallon of gas regardless of the marginal utility of that gallon even though surely you can agree that the gallon of gas used to drive to work has more value than the gallon used to drive to a strip club.
Tell me why a dollar earned should be treated any differently?
It's tax deductible for them to create jobs....they won't pay more in federal income taxes if they hire people for their company?In the real world, nobody gets $50K in welfare. And when you destroy welfare, it will cost you ten times as much to keep them in prison. That's as smart as a vegetable.
thats what you libs don't get, its not either welfare or prison----how about a government whose primary goal was to set up an economic system that would create enough new jobs every year to provide employment for every citizen who is able to work?
Instead what we have today is a govt that wants to punish job creators because they have enough money to create jobs---its stupidity.
I think we all agree that we should have a government that promotes the general welfare of ALL citizens and having a government that sets up an economic system that would promote job creation for every citizen....
Where Cons and libs differ is we believe our government has failed because they have favored the corporations OVER the individual with their regulations and tax deductions and tax credits and protections that give them monopolies like the Pharma industry and deregulation and bailouts that only end up hurting the every day citizen in the USA, and have made it very easy and lucrative for our American companies to just ship their factories and corporate headquarters some times too, overseas...leaving the nation with a jobless recovery while they vote down Obamacare for the thousandth time or have another Benghazi or IRS dog and pony show....while we pay them.....
Corporations HAVE ENOUGH money to hire people, record profits for them....yet they don't..they spend their time figuring out how to go overseas and get cheap labor or cheap goods....
they could be rehauling the corporate tax structure that would not only benefit corps but benefit the American people with getting rid of certain loopholes and keeping jobs here....
As far as the top 10% paying for 72% of the federal income taxes....the Supreme court says we can only be income taxed on our GAIN...if 47% of the families in this nation filing federal income tax owe no tax, it is because they have not made a GAIN, to be taxed....THIS IS NOT their fault that those in the top 10% did make huge GAINS and are taxed on it.
Simple as that....
Most Americans are losing ground with cost of living going up and fuel prices, EXCEPT the top 10%...they still had a GAIN to be taxed.....it is a sad state of affairs for 47% of the tax payers to not be getting ahead....THAT'S what those figures say imo.
Care
It is unlikely without a massive revolt. But it does help justify 'progressive' taxation.
Social Security taxes, which are paid in a higher percentage by the less wealthy, now fund a large chunk of federal government.
I think I like the idea of a progressive land tax actually, and elimination of the mortgage deduction. Unrealistic to have varying taxes on gas, but waste of federal highway spending needs to be reigned in.
Social Security taxes, which are paid in a higher percentage by the less wealthy, now fund a large chunk of federal government.
Not really. In our wondrous Obameconomy, Social Security, since 2010, has been paying out more benefits than was paid in from payroll taxes.
THE SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUSES.....that we all have paid in to social security is suppose to take care of its budget to pay out retirements, and we have a couple of decades of SS surplus monies....NOTHING is being taken from the income tax payer for social security payments, other than the income tax payer, PAYING what he BORROWED from the social security payers in earlier years.....
SS still needs tweaking, but it is the Congress's fault for borrowing SS monies to pay for what income taxes should have been paying for all along....don't punish the SS wage earners for this....
If there is no change in revenue coming into the fund or benefits paid out, the fund will be exhausted in 2033 and benefits would reduce by about 20% and by 2087 benefits would reduce by 25%. However, we know there will be changes.Maybe we should...................but here in reality land, what chance do you give that what you propose will happen? No taxes without representation?
But what about the houses and the gas taxes and such? All gas and all houses and all income are the same according to Skull and we should all pay the same. Of course we could all pay the same of the richer people. Skull never mentions what level the "same" will be.
It is unlikely without a massive revolt. But it does help justify 'progressive' taxation.
Social Security taxes, which are paid in a higher percentage by the less wealthy, now fund a large chunk of federal government.
I think I like the idea of a progressive land tax actually, and elimination of the mortgage deduction. Unrealistic to have varying taxes on gas, but waste of federal highway spending needs to be reigned in.
Social Security taxes, which are paid in a higher percentage by the less wealthy, now fund a large chunk of federal government.
Not really. In our wondrous Obameconomy, Social Security, since 2010, has been paying out more benefits than was paid in from payroll taxes.
Social Security taxes, which are paid in a higher percentage by the less wealthy, now fund a large chunk of federal government.
Not really. In our wondrous Obameconomy, Social Security, since 2010, has been paying out more benefits than was paid in from payroll taxes.
THE SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUSES.....that we all have paid in to social security is suppose to take care of its budget to pay out retirements, and we have a couple of decades of SS surplus monies....NOTHING is being taken from the income tax payer for social security payments, other than the income tax payer, PAYING what he BORROWED from the social security payers in earlier years.....
SS still needs tweaking, but it is the Congress's fault for borrowing SS monies to pay for what income taxes should have been paying for all along....don't punish the SS wage earners for this....
THE SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUSES were stolen for tax cuts for the 0.1% to stimulate outsourcing of jobs. They will never accept an across the board 19% flat tax with no deductions, or having to pay the same rate as employees or the middle class have to pay. Much less pay back what they stole.
It is unlikely without a massive revolt. But it does help justify 'progressive' taxation.
Social Security taxes, which are paid in a higher percentage by the less wealthy, now fund a large chunk of federal government.
I think I like the idea of a progressive land tax actually, and elimination of the mortgage deduction. Unrealistic to have varying taxes on gas, but waste of federal highway spending needs to be reigned in.
Social Security taxes, which are paid in a higher percentage by the less wealthy, now fund a large chunk of federal government.
Not really. In our wondrous Obameconomy, Social Security, since 2010, has been paying out more benefits than was paid in from payroll taxes.
THE SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUSES.....that we all have paid in to social security is suppose to take care of its budget to pay out retirements, and we have a couple of decades of SS surplus monies....NOTHING is being taken from the income tax payer for social security payments, other than the income tax payer, PAYING what he BORROWED from the social security payers in earlier years.....
SS still needs tweaking, but it is the Congress's fault for borrowing SS monies to pay for what income taxes should have been paying for all along....don't punish the SS wage earners for this....
It's tax deductible for them to create jobs....they won't pay more in federal income taxes if they hire people for their company?thats what you libs don't get, its not either welfare or prison----how about a government whose primary goal was to set up an economic system that would create enough new jobs every year to provide employment for every citizen who is able to work?
Instead what we have today is a govt that wants to punish job creators because they have enough money to create jobs---its stupidity.
I think we all agree that we should have a government that promotes the general welfare of ALL citizens and having a government that sets up an economic system that would promote job creation for every citizen....
Where Cons and libs differ is we believe our government has failed because they have favored the corporations OVER the individual with their regulations and tax deductions and tax credits and protections that give them monopolies like the Pharma industry and deregulation and bailouts that only end up hurting the every day citizen in the USA, and have made it very easy and lucrative for our American companies to just ship their factories and corporate headquarters some times too, overseas...leaving the nation with a jobless recovery while they vote down Obamacare for the thousandth time or have another Benghazi or IRS dog and pony show....while we pay them.....
Corporations HAVE ENOUGH money to hire people, record profits for them....yet they don't..they spend their time figuring out how to go overseas and get cheap labor or cheap goods....
they could be rehauling the corporate tax structure that would not only benefit corps but benefit the American people with getting rid of certain loopholes and keeping jobs here....
As far as the top 10% paying for 72% of the federal income taxes....the Supreme court says we can only be income taxed on our GAIN...if 47% of the families in this nation filing federal income tax owe no tax, it is because they have not made a GAIN, to be taxed....THIS IS NOT their fault that those in the top 10% did make huge GAINS and are taxed on it.
Simple as that....
Most Americans are losing ground with cost of living going up and fuel prices, EXCEPT the top 10%...they still had a GAIN to be taxed.....it is a sad state of affairs for 47% of the tax payers to not be getting ahead....THAT'S what those figures say imo.
Care
your jealousy of successful people is noted. Income taxes are not based on net annual profit, as you claimed, they are based on income minus legal deductions and exemptions.
If you don't like what the rich and corporations are paying, blame the democrats--they have controlled congress for most of the last 75 years and they wrote much of the tax code.
are you really so partisan ignorant that you think only republicans get help from corporations ?
Nope, a far cry from the truth Redfish, I am not jealous in any way shape or form....just FACTS and the facts are that those at the very top are making a GAIN on their earnings or they wouldn't be paying taxes at all, just like the peon not making a GAIN.It's tax deductible for them to create jobs....they won't pay more in federal income taxes if they hire people for their company?thats what you libs don't get, its not either welfare or prison----how about a government whose primary goal was to set up an economic system that would create enough new jobs every year to provide employment for every citizen who is able to work?
Instead what we have today is a govt that wants to punish job creators because they have enough money to create jobs---its stupidity.
I think we all agree that we should have a government that promotes the general welfare of ALL citizens and having a government that sets up an economic system that would promote job creation for every citizen....
Where Cons and libs differ is we believe our government has failed because they have favored the corporations OVER the individual with their regulations and tax deductions and tax credits and protections that give them monopolies like the Pharma industry and deregulation and bailouts that only end up hurting the every day citizen in the USA, and have made it very easy and lucrative for our American companies to just ship their factories and corporate headquarters some times too, overseas...leaving the nation with a jobless recovery while they vote down Obamacare for the thousandth time or have another Benghazi or IRS dog and pony show....while we pay them.....
Corporations HAVE ENOUGH money to hire people, record profits for them....yet they don't..they spend their time figuring out how to go overseas and get cheap labor or cheap goods....
they could be rehauling the corporate tax structure that would not only benefit corps but benefit the American people with getting rid of certain loopholes and keeping jobs here....
As far as the top 10% paying for 72% of the federal income taxes....the Supreme court says we can only be income taxed on our GAIN...if 47% of the families in this nation filing federal income tax owe no tax, it is because they have not made a GAIN, to be taxed....THIS IS NOT their fault that those in the top 10% did make huge GAINS and are taxed on it.
Simple as that....
Most Americans are losing ground with cost of living going up and fuel prices, EXCEPT the top 10%...they still had a GAIN to be taxed.....it is a sad state of affairs for 47% of the tax payers to not be getting ahead....THAT'S what those figures say imo.
Care
your jealousy of successful people is noted. Income taxes are not based on net annual profit, as you claimed, they are based on income minus legal deductions and exemptions.
If you don't like what the rich and corporations are paying, blame the democrats--they have controlled congress for most of the last 75 years and they wrote much of the tax code.
are you really so partisan ignorant that you think only republicans get help from corporations ?
It's tax deductible for them to create jobs....they won't pay more in federal income taxes if they hire people for their company?
I think we all agree that we should have a government that promotes the general welfare of ALL citizens and having a government that sets up an economic system that would promote job creation for every citizen....
Where Cons and libs differ is we believe our government has failed because they have favored the corporations OVER the individual with their regulations and tax deductions and tax credits and protections that give them monopolies like the Pharma industry and deregulation and bailouts that only end up hurting the every day citizen in the USA, and have made it very easy and lucrative for our American companies to just ship their factories and corporate headquarters some times too, overseas...leaving the nation with a jobless recovery while they vote down Obamacare for the thousandth time or have another Benghazi or IRS dog and pony show....while we pay them.....
Corporations HAVE ENOUGH money to hire people, record profits for them....yet they don't..they spend their time figuring out how to go overseas and get cheap labor or cheap goods....
they could be rehauling the corporate tax structure that would not only benefit corps but benefit the American people with getting rid of certain loopholes and keeping jobs here....
As far as the top 10% paying for 72% of the federal income taxes....the Supreme court says we can only be income taxed on our GAIN...if 47% of the families in this nation filing federal income tax owe no tax, it is because they have not made a GAIN, to be taxed....THIS IS NOT their fault that those in the top 10% did make huge GAINS and are taxed on it.
Simple as that....
Most Americans are losing ground with cost of living going up and fuel prices, EXCEPT the top 10%...they still had a GAIN to be taxed.....it is a sad state of affairs for 47% of the tax payers to not be getting ahead....THAT'S what those figures say imo.
Care
your jealousy of successful people is noted. Income taxes are not based on net annual profit, as you claimed, they are based on income minus legal deductions and exemptions.
If you don't like what the rich and corporations are paying, blame the democrats--they have controlled congress for most of the last 75 years and they wrote much of the tax code.
are you really so partisan ignorant that you think only republicans get help from corporations ?
She acts like the government is there to help equalize outcome.. uber government control... thru the unequal treatment of those citizens they are jealous of and wish to vilify...
Take more from them.. because.. well.. we want it.. and we FEEL they can afford more.. and we feel it is good.. and we feel it is fair.. and we feel it is, uhhhhh well WE JUST WANT IT...
That is the liberal mindset to use tyranny to take what they want, when they want it, because they feel their cause can better use it than the person who actually earned it
In a word.. they are assholes
How so? The 1935 Social Security Act required that Social Security funds be invested in government securities.Horseshit---SS funds were merged with the general fund by LBJ.
ahhhhh, talk to the hand DDIt's tax deductible for them to create jobs....they won't pay more in federal income taxes if they hire people for their company?
I think we all agree that we should have a government that promotes the general welfare of ALL citizens and having a government that sets up an economic system that would promote job creation for every citizen....
Where Cons and libs differ is we believe our government has failed because they have favored the corporations OVER the individual with their regulations and tax deductions and tax credits and protections that give them monopolies like the Pharma industry and deregulation and bailouts that only end up hurting the every day citizen in the USA, and have made it very easy and lucrative for our American companies to just ship their factories and corporate headquarters some times too, overseas...leaving the nation with a jobless recovery while they vote down Obamacare for the thousandth time or have another Benghazi or IRS dog and pony show....while we pay them.....
Corporations HAVE ENOUGH money to hire people, record profits for them....yet they don't..they spend their time figuring out how to go overseas and get cheap labor or cheap goods....
they could be rehauling the corporate tax structure that would not only benefit corps but benefit the American people with getting rid of certain loopholes and keeping jobs here....
As far as the top 10% paying for 72% of the federal income taxes....the Supreme court says we can only be income taxed on our GAIN...if 47% of the families in this nation filing federal income tax owe no tax, it is because they have not made a GAIN, to be taxed....THIS IS NOT their fault that those in the top 10% did make huge GAINS and are taxed on it.
Simple as that....
Most Americans are losing ground with cost of living going up and fuel prices, EXCEPT the top 10%...they still had a GAIN to be taxed.....it is a sad state of affairs for 47% of the tax payers to not be getting ahead....THAT'S what those figures say imo.
Care
your jealousy of successful people is noted. Income taxes are not based on net annual profit, as you claimed, they are based on income minus legal deductions and exemptions.
If you don't like what the rich and corporations are paying, blame the democrats--they have controlled congress for most of the last 75 years and they wrote much of the tax code.
are you really so partisan ignorant that you think only republicans get help from corporations ?
She acts like the government is there to help equalize outcome.. uber government control... thru the unequal treatment of those citizens they are jealous of and wish to vilify...
Take more from them.. because.. well.. we want it.. and we FEEL they can afford more.. and we feel it is good.. and we feel it is fair.. and we feel it is, uhhhhh well WE JUST WANT IT...
That is the liberal mindset to use tyranny to take what they want, when they want it, because they feel their cause can better use it than the person who actually earned it
In a word.. they are assholes
....
How so? The 1935 Social Security Act required that Social Security funds be invested in government securities.Horseshit---SS funds were merged with the general fund by LBJ.
ahhhhh, talk to the hand DDyour jealousy of successful people is noted. Income taxes are not based on net annual profit, as you claimed, they are based on income minus legal deductions and exemptions.
If you don't like what the rich and corporations are paying, blame the democrats--they have controlled congress for most of the last 75 years and they wrote much of the tax code.
are you really so partisan ignorant that you think only republicans get help from corporations ?
She acts like the government is there to help equalize outcome.. uber government control... thru the unequal treatment of those citizens they are jealous of and wish to vilify...
Take more from them.. because.. well.. we want it.. and we FEEL they can afford more.. and we feel it is good.. and we feel it is fair.. and we feel it is, uhhhhh well WE JUST WANT IT...
That is the liberal mindset to use tyranny to take what they want, when they want it, because they feel their cause can better use it than the person who actually earned it
In a word.. they are assholes
I am not talking about taking from anyone, just laying down the FACTS, an the facts are....we can NOT be taxed on our gross wage income, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, we can ONLY be taxed on our Gain from our income, just as corps and businesses can only be income taxed on their GAIN, not their total revenues.....so if the top 10% are paying income taxes, it is because they have personally had a GAIN....and the 47% not owing taxes is because they have not had a GAIN.....
And are you implying that there has been no favoritism shown towards corporations regarding income taxation? That they receive no subsidies or deductions or financial incentives to ship jobs overseas by Congress? Tell K street that....
I didn't think you were naive enough to believe something like that.....
Yes, it is something similar to that Todd....ahhhhh, talk to the hand DDShe acts like the government is there to help equalize outcome.. uber government control... thru the unequal treatment of those citizens they are jealous of and wish to vilify...
Take more from them.. because.. well.. we want it.. and we FEEL they can afford more.. and we feel it is good.. and we feel it is fair.. and we feel it is, uhhhhh well WE JUST WANT IT...
That is the liberal mindset to use tyranny to take what they want, when they want it, because they feel their cause can better use it than the person who actually earned it
In a word.. they are assholes
I am not talking about taking from anyone, just laying down the FACTS, an the facts are....we can NOT be taxed on our gross wage income, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, we can ONLY be taxed on our Gain from our income, just as corps and businesses can only be income taxed on their GAIN, not their total revenues.....so if the top 10% are paying income taxes, it is because they have personally had a GAIN....and the 47% not owing taxes is because they have not had a GAIN.....
And are you implying that there has been no favoritism shown towards corporations regarding income taxation? That they receive no subsidies or deductions or financial incentives to ship jobs overseas by Congress? Tell K street that....
I didn't think you were naive enough to believe something like that.....
we can NOT be taxed on our gross wage income, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, we can ONLY be taxed on our Gain from our income,
What is "our Gain from our income"?
Is it like capital gain, the difference between purchase price and sale price?
No, what Libs find unfair is flatening the progressive income tax without flatening all the other regressive taxes and not counting all income the same.
Get it?
All income should be counted as the same and it should all be taxed at one rate with no exceptions.
You all pay the same tax on a gallon of gas regardless of the marginal utility of that gallon even though surely you can agree that the gallon of gas used to drive to work has more value than the gallon used to drive to a strip club.
Tell me why a dollar earned should be treated any differently?
You really think that gas analogy is a winning one don't cha?
How about housing. All taxes on houses should be the same. Right? The guy living in the 10 million dollar house should pay the same as the guy living in the 50k house. Right?
I mean they both are putting a roof over someones head.
So the guy with the 10 million dollar house should pay the exact same amount as the 50 thousand dollar house guy.
Or should it be the other way around? You know, the 50k guy paying the same as the 10 million dollar guy?
A house is a house just like a gallon of gas is a gallon of gas. Some people get 45 mpg and some get 10, so all use of gas is not equal. Like houses.
Who pays what in taxes though? Poor pays the rich amount or the other way around?
BULLSHIT!How so? The 1935 Social Security Act required that Social Security funds be invested in government securities.Horseshit---SS funds were merged with the general fund by LBJ.
and kept separate from the general fund until LBJ. He merged the two in order to make ends meet rather than show a deficit.
Investing in govt securities is quite different from using the SS fund to pay the bills.
