12 Dead in Mass Shooting at So.Cal Bar

[pismoe]

11:15 p.m. last night. Twelve dead, and they are still counting. Dead include the gunman, who went into a local Country-Western bar & grill having it's weekly College Night and began by shooting the security guard and cashier, then entered and began spraying bullets at college students with his rapid fire gun. Twelve dead include one of the first deputies on the scene.

Thousand Oaks is considered one of the safest communities in the country. Just like Parkland was.

People, it is time we stopped talking and started doing something about this. It is beyond ridiculous that we are no longer safe to go grocery shopping, pray in our church, go to yoga class, or to a bar to dance. Or to work. Or to school.

Something has to be done to stop this. Not just talk this time. It is time to actually do something. January approaches. Make sure your legislators know what you think will help make this country SAFE AGAIN.

I agree. When law enforcement comes across a person who is obviously in mental distress, that person should be involuntarily committed until he/she can be evaluated to not be a danger to themselves or others. Nothing else is going to work.

--------------------------------------- until someone breaks the LAW i think they can do as they like in America and right thinking Americans will think the same way Hunarcy .

NO, if someone is a danger to themself or others, that person should be forced to receive mental health care until the danger is passed. It's people like you that have created the situation where mass shootings have become common. MOST of the people (who are not terrorists) who do these things have already come to the attention of law enforcement and action could have been taken to help them if not for people like you...I'm not talking about putting people in jail. I'm talking about getting them into a mental health facility where they can be cared for.

-------------------------------- FORCED TO RECEIVE eh Hunarcy ::

 

[bodecea]

Some reports are saying that at least one person at the Thousand Oaks shooting survived the Las Vegas shooting. Is this a great country or what!?

----------------------------------------------------------------- LUCKY Duck eh Bode ?? I survived falling off a cliff one time when i was a kid and i survived a car accident that was caused by an illegal alien wrong way driver on the highway one time . [the illegal couldn't read English] . [also fell through the ice one time at breakup in spring] --------------------- YEAH , Life is full of pitfalls and unexpected events Bode .

Only in America can citizens be present at not one but TWO mass shootings within a year or two of each other. #MAGA!

 

[pismoe]

Okay. I broke the news that another dozen innocent civilians are dead due to a mass shooting. He was a veteran with mental health problems who had a mental health crisis less than a year ago and was allowed to keep his guns. So he went ahead and got smoke bombs and illegal extended cartridges for his glock and he created mayhem in a bar full of college kids dancing to country music. I don't actually call that PTSD. That's just plain messed up.

I made it clear at the beginning of this thread that I was interested in discussing ways to stop this madness OTHER than gun control. For the most part, that was ignored and I just got the usual screaming and screeching about taking away people's guns. Mental health services and changing the laws about committing people and taking away their firearms are great ideas. It is true that most mentally ill people are harmless. Those who aren't can be hard to predict. I think there are usually "clues," though, and if more research is needed to figure out what those are, we need to get busy. If someone is actually violent or threatening to harm people though, and they are mentally unstable, the guns should go.

Y'all know how I feel about guns. But every single one of you who said that more gun control won't solve the problem are right. That is only PART of the solution. So is teaching kids that taking a human life is the worse thing you can do. That it is a loser attitude to threaten violence. Getting the gratuitous violence off video games and entertainment generally would help. Most of you think that's foolish too. It is a factor, though. Very much so. It hardens us to violent behavior, whether we actually commit crimes ourselves. Look at how hardened most of the people are in this thread to the latest mass shooting, not even 24 hours ago. Meh. So what, you can't have my gun.

The thread is yours. I shepherded it as long as I could take it.

But yet most of your comments on this thread had to do with gun control and in even one post you said you wanted to abolish the Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms.

You are a confused lady, aren't you?

Don't feel alone. Most Liberals are confused about a great many things.

It's being reported that he had mental problems and the police and their eval team or whatever was called out to his house in April where they decided he was not a threat.

Hear that story a lot, don't we?

Mental illness is the problem, not gun control.

If the shooter is a white male, yes.

--------------------------------------------- might be a 'convert' doing 'jihad' as guessing and speculation Bode .

 

[miketx]

11:15 p.m. last night. Twelve dead, and they are still counting. Dead include the gunman, who went into a local Country-Western bar & grill having it's weekly College Night and began by shooting the security guard and cashier, then entered and began spraying bullets at college students with his rapid fire gun. Twelve dead include one of the first deputies on the scene.

Thousand Oaks is considered one of the safest communities in the country. Just like Parkland was.

People, it is time we stopped talking and started doing something about this. It is beyond ridiculous that we are no longer safe to go grocery shopping, pray in our church, go to yoga class, or to a bar to dance. Or to work. Or to school.

Something has to be done to stop this. Not just talk this time. It is time to actually do something. January approaches. Make sure your legislators know what you think will help make this country SAFE AGAIN.

I agree. When law enforcement comes across a person who is obviously in mental distress, that person should be involuntarily committed until he/she can be evaluated to not be a danger to themselves or others. Nothing else is going to work.

--------------------------------------- until someone breaks the LAW i think they can do as they like in America and right thinking Americans will think the same way Hunarcy .

NO, if someone is a danger to themself or others, that person should be forced to receive mental health care until the danger is passed. It's people like you that have created the situation where mass shootings have become common. MOST of the people (who are not terrorists) who do these things have already come to the attention of law enforcement and action could have been taken to help them if not for people like you...I'm not talking about putting people in jail. I'm talking about getting them into a mental health facility where they can be cared for.

Sieg Heil.

 

[pismoe]

Some reports are saying that at least one person at the Thousand Oaks shooting survived the Las Vegas shooting. Is this a great country or what!?

----------------------------------------------------------------- LUCKY Duck eh Bode ?? I survived falling off a cliff one time when i was a kid and i survived a car accident that was caused by an illegal alien wrong way driver on the highway one time . [the illegal couldn't read English] . [also fell through the ice one time at breakup in spring] --------------------- YEAH , Life is full of pitfalls and unexpected events Bode .

Only in America can citizens be present at not one but TWO mass shootings within a year or two of each other. #MAGA!

-------------------------------- yeah interesting eh , as i said , he is a Lucky Duck Bode .

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Vets that come back from overseas need to have consistent medical tests and their guns must be taken away until they are given a 100% bill of health. If they show ANY signs of PTSD they should immediately be placed under medical care, medications monitored and GUNS TAKEN AWAY!!!

How very liberal gun-grabber of you!

I am neither a liberal nor a gun grabber. Those who have a mental illness should not own guns. PTSD is a mental illness.

Well, when the president himself shows signs of mental illness....good luck...

Trump Undid Obama Rule That Added Mentally Ill People to Gun Check Register

Is he walking around with guns? What are you talking about? He is actually always surrounded by those who are well trained in using guns. Are you mentally ill too?

trump is just another pawn for the NRA...a mentally deranged pawn....

You just changed your narrative.

 

[MisterBeale]

Some reports are saying that at least one person at the Thousand Oaks shooting survived the Las Vegas shooting. Is this a great country or what!?

I have a friend that is involved in a FB group, moms for sensible Gun Control.

Once, we were discussing it, and this real douche-tard, someone she has never met in person, started in on me. . .

She was not there at the time, it was on her time-line, he basically then admitted he knew more about the issue b/c he had was at, involved in, and seen the victims at over four of these mass shootings. "Watched them take their last breaths" as it were. . .

Now think about that.

Think long and hard.



Yeah.

Let that sink in


The implications are there.

 

[hunarcy]

11:15 p.m. last night. Twelve dead, and they are still counting. Dead include the gunman, who went into a local Country-Western bar & grill having it's weekly College Night and began by shooting the security guard and cashier, then entered and began spraying bullets at college students with his rapid fire gun. Twelve dead include one of the first deputies on the scene.

Thousand Oaks is considered one of the safest communities in the country. Just like Parkland was.

People, it is time we stopped talking and started doing something about this. It is beyond ridiculous that we are no longer safe to go grocery shopping, pray in our church, go to yoga class, or to a bar to dance. Or to work. Or to school.

Something has to be done to stop this. Not just talk this time. It is time to actually do something. January approaches. Make sure your legislators know what you think will help make this country SAFE AGAIN.

I agree. When law enforcement comes across a person who is obviously in mental distress, that person should be involuntarily committed until he/she can be evaluated to not be a danger to themselves or others. Nothing else is going to work.

--------------------------------------- until someone breaks the LAW i think they can do as they like in America and right thinking Americans will think the same way Hunarcy .

NO, if someone is a danger to themself or others, that person should be forced to receive mental health care until the danger is passed. It's people like you that have created the situation where mass shootings have become common. MOST of the people (who are not terrorists) who do these things have already come to the attention of law enforcement and action could have been taken to help them if not for people like you...I'm not talking about putting people in jail. I'm talking about getting them into a mental health facility where they can be cared for.

-------------------------------- FORCED TO RECEIVE eh Hunarcy ::

That is what Involuntary commitment means, pismoe.

 

[hunarcy]

11:15 p.m. last night. Twelve dead, and they are still counting. Dead include the gunman, who went into a local Country-Western bar & grill having it's weekly College Night and began by shooting the security guard and cashier, then entered and began spraying bullets at college students with his rapid fire gun. Twelve dead include one of the first deputies on the scene.

Thousand Oaks is considered one of the safest communities in the country. Just like Parkland was.

People, it is time we stopped talking and started doing something about this. It is beyond ridiculous that we are no longer safe to go grocery shopping, pray in our church, go to yoga class, or to a bar to dance. Or to work. Or to school.

Something has to be done to stop this. Not just talk this time. It is time to actually do something. January approaches. Make sure your legislators know what you think will help make this country SAFE AGAIN.

I agree. When law enforcement comes across a person who is obviously in mental distress, that person should be involuntarily committed until he/she can be evaluated to not be a danger to themselves or others. Nothing else is going to work.

--------------------------------------- until someone breaks the LAW i think they can do as they like in America and right thinking Americans will think the same way Hunarcy .

NO, if someone is a danger to themself or others, that person should be forced to receive mental health care until the danger is passed. It's people like you that have created the situation where mass shootings have become common. MOST of the people (who are not terrorists) who do these things have already come to the attention of law enforcement and action could have been taken to help them if not for people like you...I'm not talking about putting people in jail. I'm talking about getting them into a mental health facility where they can be cared for.

Sieg Heil.

If your neighbor had an active case of Ebola Fever, would you want them removed from society? Keep your ridiculous Nazi comparisons to yourself.

 

[pismoe]

and i think the 'soviets' did that to millions as millions were involuntarily sent to 'gulags' or death camps some because they were SUPPOSEDLY Mentally ill Hunarcy .

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

PTSD is real and sad. Our vets need help. Those poor victims. Should never have happened.

The frustrating thing is -- how do we improve it?

There was a whole lot of it after WWII as well. People just didn't know what to call it. The vets eventually coped with it (a lot by "burying it" I think--how many times have you heard of a WWII vet "he NEVER talked about it.") War and the general "brainwashing" required to be in the military makes it hard to reenter civilian life. I think the military is trying, though, to be more proactive. I know that a friend's daughter, who is on a military base with her husband, had a lot of support when her husband came back from a deployment with PTSD and was abusive to her, drinking heavily, etc. It wasn't like him at all. They helped a lot (although he was not real happy about it at first). Where they were on base and he was still active, they could control things. With vets it's a whole nother story.

No...being in the military doesn't make it harder to be in civilian life..... that is a lie the left wing has perpetrated because they hate the military...if you look at any statistics, especially from Vietnam....let alone World War 2, you will find that veterans outperformed their civilian counterparts in every way.....you really have to stop buying the left wing crap.

I'm not "buying" anything. I have met many Vietnam vets screwed up for their lifetimes because of PTSD in that damned war, and the V.A. is the one telling all of us that there are plenty of vets from more recent wars with PTSD. So stop trying to turn that into a "Democratic" issue. No one ever said that every soldier comes home and has such problems that they shoot someone or themselves, but don't you think it may be contributing to the high rate of suicide and homelessness among veterans right now? SOMETHING is to blame, and don't say Democrats.

So stop sending our kids over to fight in countries that are not worth saving!

Yes I am putting the blame on you for one reason and that is because those like you supported Obama nonsense while screaming about Bush!

So if you want PTSD to end then stop going to these countries and trying to save their souls with Democracy!

 

[pismoe]

11:15 p.m. last night. Twelve dead, and they are still counting. Dead include the gunman, who went into a local Country-Western bar & grill having it's weekly College Night and began by shooting the security guard and cashier, then entered and began spraying bullets at college students with his rapid fire gun. Twelve dead include one of the first deputies on the scene.

Thousand Oaks is considered one of the safest communities in the country. Just like Parkland was.

People, it is time we stopped talking and started doing something about this. It is beyond ridiculous that we are no longer safe to go grocery shopping, pray in our church, go to yoga class, or to a bar to dance. Or to work. Or to school.

Something has to be done to stop this. Not just talk this time. It is time to actually do something. January approaches. Make sure your legislators know what you think will help make this country SAFE AGAIN.

I agree. When law enforcement comes across a person who is obviously in mental distress, that person should be involuntarily committed until he/she can be evaluated to not be a danger to themselves or others. Nothing else is going to work.

--------------------------------------- until someone breaks the LAW i think they can do as they like in America and right thinking Americans will think the same way Hunarcy .

NO, if someone is a danger to themself or others, that person should be forced to receive mental health care until the danger is passed. It's people like you that have created the situation where mass shootings have become common. MOST of the people (who are not terrorists) who do these things have already come to the attention of law enforcement and action could have been taken to help them if not for people like you...I'm not talking about putting people in jail. I'm talking about getting them into a mental health facility where they can be cared for.

Sieg Heil.

If your neighbor had an active case of Ebola Fever, would you want them removed from society? Keep your ridiculous Nazi comparisons to yourself.

---------------------------- ebola can be proven , mental illness can not be proven . Some people on this board could be accused of mental illness because of their political point of view i suppose Hunarcy .

 

[hunarcy]

I agree. When law enforcement comes across a person who is obviously in mental distress, that person should be involuntarily committed until he/she can be evaluated to not be a danger to themselves or others. Nothing else is going to work.

--------------------------------------- until someone breaks the LAW i think they can do as they like in America and right thinking Americans will think the same way Hunarcy .

NO, if someone is a danger to themself or others, that person should be forced to receive mental health care until the danger is passed. It's people like you that have created the situation where mass shootings have become common. MOST of the people (who are not terrorists) who do these things have already come to the attention of law enforcement and action could have been taken to help them if not for people like you...I'm not talking about putting people in jail. I'm talking about getting them into a mental health facility where they can be cared for.

Sieg Heil.

If your neighbor had an active case of Ebola Fever, would you want them removed from society? Keep your ridiculous Nazi comparisons to yourself.

---------------------------- ebola can be proven , mental illness can not be proven . Some people on this board could be accused of mental illness because of their political point of view i suppose Hunarcy .

And mental illness can be proven by the irrational ravings of the mentally ill. And, of course, by the dead bodies left in their wake. Honestly, I would rather err on the side of caution than mop up the aftermath of a shooting like happened in California.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

No "right" exists without responsibility on the part of the holder. The irresponsible do not have rights. The responsible have the obligation of aiding the irresponsible, as well as the 'right' to protect themselves form irresponsible acts.

Show me the actual legislation and the votes for it. I can show you where Dem judges prefer to release the mentally ill, rather than get them in hospital help.

The problem is not just funding, I know. Back to the specific case, as a vet he hopefully had help available if he chose to use it. If less than a year ago he was in a crisis and his guns were not temporarily taken, there is something wrong. Guns and mental health crises do not go together.

Stupid Liberals don't think that guns and Liberty go together, do they? Our Founding Fathers did but modern day idiot Liberals don't think so.

Flash, I have a right to want safety, too. Don't I? It isn't idiotic to want to end mass shootings where innocent unarmed people minding their own business are gunned down with increasing frequency. If it isn't the guns at fault, what is? Just calling liberals "stupid" for being concerned is not going to solve the problem. Next time, it could be in your town, or one of your kids. No one wants it to happen again, but the longer we keep ignoring the problem, the more it is going to happen. Which we have already seen.

You are really confused about this, aren't you? Are you confused or simply naive?

It is idiotic to think that giving up Liberty will get you what you perceive is security. It is idiotic because as the Founding Fathers understood the "security of a free state" is best secured by the American people having the right to keep and bear arms.

No gun law passed by stupid Moon Bats will ever make you secure. It ain't gonna happen. For instance, using today's shooting as an example. The idiots in Commie Kalifornia passed a stupid law against high capacity magazines and millions of Californians gave their magazines up. However, that didn't do a damn thing to stop this nutcase from using a high capacity magazine in a crime, did it?

Chicago has the the nation's strictest gun control laws and the the nation's worst gun control crime. Gun control does absolutely nothing to stop crime.

I could give you many more examples of how gun control doesn't stop gun crime. It is simply ineffective. All it does it take away the Liberty of law abiding citizens and that is wrong. Very wrong.

You live in a nation of 330 million people. Gun crime will happen no matter what laws are passed. There are a lot of nutcases and bad people out there. However, the great majority of that crime is restricted to the drug and gang thugs of the inner city shitholes.

Occasionally gun crime happens elsewhere and innocent people get hurt. It is no different than the many other ways that innocent people get hurt every day. In my county a child died two days ago drowning in a swimming pool. Very tragic. Unfortunately shit happens. Learn to live with it. There are no guarantees in life.

You are sadly blind to the facts. Look at any other developed nation in the world that doesn't have a goddamned 2nd Amendment and you will find far lower gun deaths AND the fact that citizens are not living under tyranny. Everyone using this "guard against tyranny" argument is on hallucinogens, I guess, because have you taken a look at what our government has for fire power lately? If they wanted us under their thumb, we would be under their thumb, and all the AR 15's in the world wouldn't stop that. It's purely laughable.
Fuck the Second. I'm going to cross stitch it on a pillow.
I have no issue with responsible, carefully screened and trained people owning guns. But this "right" for every loon and his uncle to go into Cabelas and buy an AR or a glock is absolutely ridiculous, considering how many Americans die thanks to giving them that right based on a pipe dream. Every year tens of thousands die at the wrong end of a gun.

Ten of thousands die yearly on the U.S. interstate system, and yet you refuse to ban automobiles.

Also not everyone is legal to drive and it is against the law to do so without proper id, and yet criminals ignore the damn law daily.

As you say fuck the second amendment where was your outrage when children get slaughter daily in Chicago?

As you write about other Nations only two have a population greater than ours ( China and India ) so my guess you prefer China system and if so I will agree with you just so you can be arrested when you call one of our politicians a Nazi.

See you enjoy your freedom of speech by telling everyone how you hate this or that but hate my right to bear arms.

I do not need a AR-15 for my house and my single shot and pump action shotgun does the trick and yes the slugs I use will rip someone apart.

Your ignorance on this subject is showing and you telling everyone fuck the Constitution shows the type of person you are because you will bring tyranny onto yourself because fools like yourself vote in dictators just for the promise of protection which never happens...

 

[hunarcy]

and i think the 'soviets' did that to millions as millions were involuntarily sent to 'gulags' or death camps some because they were SUPPOSEDLY Mentally ill Hunarcy .

And we all know that was wrong of them to do, pismoe. Are you saying that in our free society, we can't trust mental health professionals to truly focus on the mentally ill and completely refuse to engage in misdeeds as were done in the Soviet Union?

 

[OldLady]

Some reports are saying that at least one person at the Thousand Oaks shooting survived the Las Vegas shooting. Is this a great country or what!?

Getting greater by the day! You don't like it feel free to leave.

Maybe Bodecea and I would rather stay and work to make it a safer place to live and raise our families, like you say all those Hondurans should.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Stupid Liberals don't think that guns and Liberty go together, do they? Our Founding Fathers did but modern day idiot Liberals don't think so.

Flash, I have a right to want safety, too. Don't I? It isn't idiotic to want to end mass shootings where innocent unarmed people minding their own business are gunned down with increasing frequency. If it isn't the guns at fault, what is? Just calling liberals "stupid" for being concerned is not going to solve the problem. Next time, it could be in your town, or one of your kids. No one wants it to happen again, but the longer we keep ignoring the problem, the more it is going to happen. Which we have already seen.

You are really confused about this, aren't you? Are you confused or simply naive?

It is idiotic to think that giving up Liberty will get you what you perceive is security. It is idiotic because as the Founding Fathers understood the "security of a free state" is best secured by the American people having the right to keep and bear arms.

No gun law passed by stupid Moon Bats will ever make you secure. It ain't gonna happen. For instance, using today's shooting as an example. The idiots in Commie Kalifornia passed a stupid law against high capacity magazines and millions of Californians gave their magazines up. However, that didn't do a damn thing to stop this nutcase from using a high capacity magazine in a crime, did it?

Chicago has the the nation's strictest gun control laws and the the nation's worst gun control crime. Gun control does absolutely nothing to stop crime.

I could give you many more examples of how gun control doesn't stop gun crime. It is simply ineffective. All it does it take away the Liberty of law abiding citizens and that is wrong. Very wrong.

You live in a nation of 330 million people. Gun crime will happen no matter what laws are passed. There are a lot of nutcases and bad people out there. However, the great majority of that crime is restricted to the drug and gang thugs of the inner city shitholes.

Occasionally gun crime happens elsewhere and innocent people get hurt. It is no different than the many other ways that innocent people get hurt every day. In my county a child died two days ago drowning in a swimming pool. Very tragic. Unfortunately shit happens. Learn to live with it. There are no guarantees in life.

You are sadly blind to the facts. Look at any other developed nation in the world that doesn't have a goddamned 2nd Amendment and you will find far lower gun deaths AND the fact that citizens are not living under tyranny. Everyone using this "guard against tyranny" argument is on hallucinogens, I guess, because have you taken a look at what our government has for fire power lately? If they wanted us under their thumb, we would be under their thumb, and all the AR 15's in the world wouldn't stop that. It's purely laughable.
Fuck the Second. I'm going to cross stitch it on a pillow.
I have no issue with responsible, carefully screened and trained people owning guns. But this "right" for every loon and his uncle to go into Cabelas and buy an AR or a glock is absolutely ridiculous, considering how many Americans die thanks to giving them that right based on a pipe dream. Every year tens of thousands die at the wrong end of a gun.

----------------------------------------------------- thats why Americans should only take the American point of view regarding FREEDOMS unique to America . Feck foreign countries and the way they do things OldLady .

I'm just pointing out that your silly "freedom" dream of holding back a tyrannical government with your pop gun is not what keeps a bad government from taking over; it is intelligent vigilant people. NOT GUNS.

Your smarts can be blown out of your head by a dictator... Ask Trotsky how well his smarts worked against Stalin...

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Some reports are saying that at least one person at the Thousand Oaks shooting survived the Las Vegas shooting. Is this a great country or what!?

Getting greater by the day! You don't like it feel free to leave.

Maybe Bodecea and I would rather stay and work to make it a safer place to live and raise our families, like you say all those Hondurans should.

Why not ask your state to pass laws like California and stop telling others how they should live?

 

[mudwhistle]

His glock has an extended magazine- so instead of holding ten bullets it probably held twenty or something like that. Lean mean human killing machine. Unless you’re dropping out of a helicopter getting ready to ice Osama Bin Laden put a ban on that fucking garbage right there. For fucks sake so many families ripped apart. So sad

----------------------------------------------------------------------- PROBABLY huh , so you don't know details but expect to be taken seriously . Cop says EXTENDED but what does that mean . Cop would say extended if the Glock had had a magazine for 13 as the Glock 21 was designed for . Might be an accersory mag but you don't know as you say probably CWise . --- G21 Gen4 - GLOCK 21 Gen4 - G21 Gen4 .45 Auto --- and it just takes a second or less to switch mags and its easy to fill your pockets with loaded 10 round magazines . Remember , this bonehead murderer was an Experienced 'marine' [' VETERAN'] that planned these murders CWise .

He was a Marine with PTSD.

Most Marines are a bit nuts anyway.

Maybe the answer is throwing all Marines in padded cells.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Okay. I broke the news that another dozen innocent civilians are dead due to a mass shooting. He was a veteran with mental health problems who had a mental health crisis less than a year ago and was allowed to keep his guns. So he went ahead and got smoke bombs and illegal extended cartridges for his glock and he created mayhem in a bar full of college kids dancing to country music. I don't actually call that PTSD. That's just plain messed up.

I made it clear at the beginning of this thread that I was interested in discussing ways to stop this madness OTHER than gun control. For the most part, that was ignored and I just got the usual screaming and screeching about taking away people's guns. Mental health services and changing the laws about committing people and taking away their firearms are great ideas. It is true that most mentally ill people are harmless. Those who aren't can be hard to predict. I think there are usually "clues," though, and if more research is needed to figure out what those are, we need to get busy. If someone is actually violent or threatening to harm people though, and they are mentally unstable, the guns should go.

Y'all know how I feel about guns. But every single one of you who said that more gun control won't solve the problem are right. That is only PART of the solution. So is teaching kids that taking a human life is the worse thing you can do. That it is a loser attitude to threaten violence. Getting the gratuitous violence off video games and entertainment generally would help. Most of you think that's foolish too. It is a factor, though. Very much so. It hardens us to violent behavior, whether we actually commit crimes ourselves. Look at how hardened most of the people are in this thread to the latest mass shooting, not even 24 hours ago. Meh. So what, you can't have my gun.

The thread is yours. I shepherded it as long as I could take it.

No, you never offered anything until you were told the reality.

You hate the idea of anyone disagreeing with you and believe your way is the only way.

As you pointed out the mentally ill person did not obey the law and yet you want more laws, so who do you blame?

The legal gun owner and never the failure of law enforcement and the government.

So start enforcing the laws you have, wait that might prevent another mass shooting so your side will hate that idea...