2 gunmen w AR15s open fire in Houston; 2 citizens down; 4 cops; PD helicopter shot

[Brain357]

You are good at ignoring the facts. 212 shots fired. Nobody needs a weapon like that. Show me examples of defenses using 212 rounds.

Are you on drugs? He was not defending himself, he was murdering people and miscreants like you want to make everyone helpless in the face of that.

Right, nobody needs a gun like that for defense, only mass shooters need them.

How do you know, brain? You don't. You talk out of your ass out of fear. If someone has a AR or AK, I want at least that much to defend myself. You don't bring a revolver to a rifle fight.

Stop being so scared.

Stop trying to look smart. It ain't happening.

Stop being so paranoid and scared.

 

[Theowl32]

Wilbur is getting annihilated. Why isn't he used to it by now?

 

[2aguy]

Misdirection is not a dance, but you do know the steps.

You are good at ignoring the facts. 212 shots fired. Nobody needs a weapon like that. Show me examples of defenses using 212 rounds.

Are you on drugs? He was not defending himself, he was murdering people and miscreants like you want to make everyone helpless in the face of that.

Right, nobody needs a gun like that for defense, only mass shooters need them.

The AR-15 is a great gun for personal defense........does it hurt a lot when you talk out of your ass the way you do.....?

Yes....you have no clue what you are talking about...so you talk anyway.......

The AR For Home Defense: One Expert’s Opinion

AR: So, what is it about the AR that makes it so suitable, in your opinion, for a home-defense scenario?

KL: The AR is very easy to shoot. Head out to the range and test my theory. Ask anyone who wants to join in on the fun to try shooting a scored event, under pressure, with a pistol at home-defense ranges. After you see their performance, try the same with an AR, I will bet money you see much better control of the system. Men and women alike just shoot better with a carbine than with a pistol. As long as the carbine is light enough for the shooter to handle properly, the learning curve will be straight-up.

The AR is unbelievably versatile, from contact shooting distances out to 300 yds., the carbine will outperform the pistol. Most of us don’t think of 300-yd. shooting as a likely home-defense scenario, and, in many areas, it wouldn’t be. But if given an option of defensive tools, and considering our country’s independent heritage and past experiences, why wouldn’t you want extended-range capabilities?

AR: What about other choices, such as the shotgun, for home defense?

KL: For self-defense, a reliable semi-automatic is king. That is why I would not pick the shotgun. Rarely can you find a semi-automatic shotgun that is 100-percent reliable with assorted ammunition.

Add the fact that you may need to shoot without your shoulder to the buttstock and reliability with the scattergun drops even more.

Recoil-operated semi-automatic shotguns are light and handy but unreliable when not held tightly, and gas-operated guns are heavier than I prefer for a home-defense scenario. Once again, if you want to carry a shotgun for home defense, knock yourself out.

I choose not to do so. I am sure those who carry pump shotguns will chime in with the absolute final word on the proper pick for the home-defense shotgun—all I ask is that you head to the range and try to operate your pump gun with only one hand. Simulating a disabled arm will make you a believer in the semi-automatic carbine.

The shotgun is also extremely deficient in magazine capacity. Once again, the AR shines in this category. Even in 10-round-maximum states, in which long-gun rights have been destroyed, you have more firepower than with most shotguns.

AR: Considering its portability and maneuverability, wouldn’t the pistol be the best choice for home defense?

KL: If you are among those who say, “If I can’t fix the problem with my eight rounds of .45 ACP, it can’t be fixed,” I say please grab a big old mug of black coffee and wake up from your dream. No one knows who, what, when, where or why the fight will start—blowhard statements only degrade an intelligent conversation.

Once again, focusing on reality, 5.56×45 mm NATO ammunition just plain works. There are literally thousands upon thousands of terrorists who have met their ends because of it. Apparently, they did not have a chance to read the latest gun blog decrying the lack of stopping power from the 5.56.



Read more: The AR For Home Defense: One Expert’s Opinion

 

[Brain357]

Looks like loose gun laws attract gun murdering crazies, not gun free zones:
Family: Shooter came to Texas because of looser gun laws

Yeah, except, moron.....99% of all mass shootings happen in your gun free zones......and the mass shooters they actually have information from show they prefer gun free zones to do their killing you moron.

Was this a gun free zone? He went to TX for loose gun laws.

 

[Brain357]

[ QUOTE]

Shame the shooter had such easy access to a very dangerous weapon.

Liberals.

He fired 212 times. Not going to do that with a revolver. Conservatives support arming mass shooters with the best weapons I guess.

Killed one person...moron......and you can kill one person with a revolver very easily....moron.[/QUOTE]

He held off the police and injured several moron.

 

[Brain357]

Yes....tell that to the 1,500,000 million Americans who use guns to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives each

God Damn you are reduntantly stupid.

Why don't you find just 400 of the DGUs you claim happened yesterday? That would only be 10% of the DGUs you claim happened just yesterday.

Can you do that? Post 400 DGUs from yesterday and I will shut up about your claim of 1.5 million per year.

Just 400. Go back a day or two if it helps.

But if YOU can't post 400 DGUs, will you stfu about your bullshit claims?

How about you find the 8,124 gun murders that happened in 2014....

your god, bill 'the rapist" clinton said the number was 1,500,000 million defensive gun uses each year.....his anti gun researchers put the study together, they created it and implemented it through the Department of Justice...the results were just backed up by obama and his CDC in 2013...moron....any complaints about that take it up with your god.....

Link and quote where the DOJ and CDC arrived at those numbers. Your lies are tiring.

 

[Brain357]

Any one spewing out the lies you are needs mental help, that or you're just another shill.

You believe that bullshit about 1.5 million dgus per year?
Then you are a shill. Not real smart either. Seek mental help if you believe there were over 4 thousand dgus yesterday.

Of course, if you believe that you will believe about anything.

Hey moron....here is the actual research....I will highlight obama's and clinton's ....

40 years of actual research into defensive gun use says you are a moron who is talking out of his ass....does that hurt?

I just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

You mean a bunch of poorly done surveys. Many on your list say less than your 1.5 myth. Many aren't national. Some you can't prove exist. Some you are straight lying about the results.

 

[there4eyeM]

Home defense out to almost 300m? Not everyone lives on a ranch.
If somebody wants a hypervelocity firearm, they want it, that's all. Sanity and safety should rule, but don't often enough.

 

[Divine Wind]

Terror attack?????

Disappointed?

He may be white, but the trolls keep saying that I'm saying something different.

First you said "the media says...but the media is all smoke." Then you said "the trolls are picking on me - WAAAAHHHH!" Now you're saying "Where's his picture?" even though the smart people in this thread found it hours ago. When someone takes pity on you and holds your hand and shows you where to find it, you'll claim it isn't really him.

In the meantime, how many times do you plan to say "Where's his picture?"?

I guess it would be way too hard to post a link, right?

Easy. When will the Left care more about helping our veterans than about banning guns?

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet
The gunman who terrorized a quiet Houston neighborhood Sunday before a SWAT officer shot him dead was an Army veteran who served in Afghanistan and was suffering from depression, officials and family said Tuesday.

Dionisio Garza III, 25, had left San Bernardino County, California, for Texas last week to see friends in the area, Houston police said. But the trip turned into a shooting rampage in which Garza fired off 212 rounds and left another person dead and six others wounded, including two officers.

Garza "suffered from some depression," authorities told reporters. "His family indicated he wasn't feeling right and came here to hang out with his friend."

"It appears to be someone who was in a mental health crisis," officials added.

 

[Brain357]

Terror attack?????

Disappointed?

He may be white, but the trolls keep saying that I'm saying something different.

First you said "the media says...but the media is all smoke." Then you said "the trolls are picking on me - WAAAAHHHH!" Now you're saying "Where's his picture?" even though the smart people in this thread found it hours ago. When someone takes pity on you and holds your hand and shows you where to find it, you'll claim it isn't really him.

In the meantime, how many times do you plan to say "Where's his picture?"?

I guess it would be way too hard to post a link, right?

Easy. When will the Left care more about helping our veterans than about banning guns?

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet
The gunman who terrorized a quiet Houston neighborhood Sunday before a SWAT officer shot him dead was an Army veteran who served in Afghanistan and was suffering from depression, officials and family said Tuesday.

Dionisio Garza III, 25, had left San Bernardino County, California, for Texas last week to see friends in the area, Houston police said. But the trip turned into a shooting rampage in which Garza fired off 212 rounds and left another person dead and six others wounded, including two officers.

Garza "suffered from some depression," authorities told reporters. "His family indicated he wasn't feeling right and came here to hang out with his friend."

"It appears to be someone who was in a mental health crisis," officials added.

The right controls congress, what have they done for the vets? Don't forget repubs sent them to war in the first place.

 

[Divine Wind]

There is no such thing as a mass shooting gun. Rights do not come with a needs prerequisite.

Agreed. The LW anti-gun mob is quick to limit Second Amendment rights, but slow to limit rights they actually use.

 

[Divine Wind]

Terror attack?????

Disappointed?

He may be white, but the trolls keep saying that I'm saying something different.

First you said "the media says...but the media is all smoke." Then you said "the trolls are picking on me - WAAAAHHHH!" Now you're saying "Where's his picture?" even though the smart people in this thread found it hours ago. When someone takes pity on you and holds your hand and shows you where to find it, you'll claim it isn't really him.

In the meantime, how many times do you plan to say "Where's his picture?"?

I guess it would be way too hard to post a link, right?

Easy. When will the Left care more about helping our veterans than about banning guns?

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet
The gunman who terrorized a quiet Houston neighborhood Sunday before a SWAT officer shot him dead was an Army veteran who served in Afghanistan and was suffering from depression, officials and family said Tuesday.

Dionisio Garza III, 25, had left San Bernardino County, California, for Texas last week to see friends in the area, Houston police said. But the trip turned into a shooting rampage in which Garza fired off 212 rounds and left another person dead and six others wounded, including two officers.

Garza "suffered from some depression," authorities told reporters. "His family indicated he wasn't feeling right and came here to hang out with his friend."

"It appears to be someone who was in a mental health crisis," officials added.

The right controls congress, what have they done for the vets? Don't forget repubs sent them to war in the first place.

Hillary is a "repubs"?

 

[Brain357]

Terror attack?????

Disappointed?

He may be white, but the trolls keep saying that I'm saying something different.

First you said "the media says...but the media is all smoke." Then you said "the trolls are picking on me - WAAAAHHHH!" Now you're saying "Where's his picture?" even though the smart people in this thread found it hours ago. When someone takes pity on you and holds your hand and shows you where to find it, you'll claim it isn't really him.

In the meantime, how many times do you plan to say "Where's his picture?"?

I guess it would be way too hard to post a link, right?

Easy. When will the Left care more about helping our veterans than about banning guns?

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet
The gunman who terrorized a quiet Houston neighborhood Sunday before a SWAT officer shot him dead was an Army veteran who served in Afghanistan and was suffering from depression, officials and family said Tuesday.

Dionisio Garza III, 25, had left San Bernardino County, California, for Texas last week to see friends in the area, Houston police said. But the trip turned into a shooting rampage in which Garza fired off 212 rounds and left another person dead and six others wounded, including two officers.

Garza "suffered from some depression," authorities told reporters. "His family indicated he wasn't feeling right and came here to hang out with his friend."

"It appears to be someone who was in a mental health crisis," officials added.

The right controls congress, what have they done for the vets? Don't forget repubs sent them to war in the first place.

Hillary is a "repubs"?

You ignore my question about congress?

It was bushes war and was pushed by the repubs.

 

[Divine Wind]

Disappointed?

First you said "the media says...but the media is all smoke." Then you said "the trolls are picking on me - WAAAAHHHH!" Now you're saying "Where's his picture?" even though the smart people in this thread found it hours ago. When someone takes pity on you and holds your hand and shows you where to find it, you'll claim it isn't really him.

In the meantime, how many times do you plan to say "Where's his picture?"?

I guess it would be way too hard to post a link, right?

Easy. When will the Left care more about helping our veterans than about banning guns?

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet
The gunman who terrorized a quiet Houston neighborhood Sunday before a SWAT officer shot him dead was an Army veteran who served in Afghanistan and was suffering from depression, officials and family said Tuesday.

Dionisio Garza III, 25, had left San Bernardino County, California, for Texas last week to see friends in the area, Houston police said. But the trip turned into a shooting rampage in which Garza fired off 212 rounds and left another person dead and six others wounded, including two officers.

Garza "suffered from some depression," authorities told reporters. "His family indicated he wasn't feeling right and came here to hang out with his friend."

"It appears to be someone who was in a mental health crisis," officials added.

The right controls congress, what have they done for the vets? Don't forget repubs sent them to war in the first place.

Hillary is a "repubs"?

You ignore my question about congress?

It was bushes war and was pushed by the repubs.

Obviously Congress passes legislation and controls the budget. What's funny is you think that when it's a Democrat President, it's Congress's fault, but when it's a Republican President, it's the President's fault.

 

[Brain357]

I guess it would be way too hard to post a link, right?

Easy. When will the Left care more about helping our veterans than about banning guns?

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet
The gunman who terrorized a quiet Houston neighborhood Sunday before a SWAT officer shot him dead was an Army veteran who served in Afghanistan and was suffering from depression, officials and family said Tuesday.

Dionisio Garza III, 25, had left San Bernardino County, California, for Texas last week to see friends in the area, Houston police said. But the trip turned into a shooting rampage in which Garza fired off 212 rounds and left another person dead and six others wounded, including two officers.

Garza "suffered from some depression," authorities told reporters. "His family indicated he wasn't feeling right and came here to hang out with his friend."

"It appears to be someone who was in a mental health crisis," officials added.

The right controls congress, what have they done for the vets? Don't forget repubs sent them to war in the first place.

Hillary is a "repubs"?

You ignore my question about congress?

It was bushes war and was pushed by the repubs.

Obviously Congress passes legislation and controls the budget. What's funny is you think that when it's a Democrat President, it's Congress's fault, but when it's a Republican President, it's the President's fault.

How has republican congress helped the vets?

 

[Divine Wind]

Easy. When will the Left care more about helping our veterans than about banning guns?

Gunman Slain in Houston Shooting Rampage Was Army Vet
The gunman who terrorized a quiet Houston neighborhood Sunday before a SWAT officer shot him dead was an Army veteran who served in Afghanistan and was suffering from depression, officials and family said Tuesday.

Dionisio Garza III, 25, had left San Bernardino County, California, for Texas last week to see friends in the area, Houston police said. But the trip turned into a shooting rampage in which Garza fired off 212 rounds and left another person dead and six others wounded, including two officers.

Garza "suffered from some depression," authorities told reporters. "His family indicated he wasn't feeling right and came here to hang out with his friend."

"It appears to be someone who was in a mental health crisis," officials added.

The right controls congress, what have they done for the vets? Don't forget repubs sent them to war in the first place.

Hillary is a "repubs"?

You ignore my question about congress?

It was bushes war and was pushed by the repubs.

Obviously Congress passes legislation and controls the budget. What's funny is you think that when it's a Democrat President, it's Congress's fault, but when it's a Republican President, it's the President's fault.

How has republican congress helped the vets?

I don't know. Please tell me how President Obama and the Republican majority Congress have helped vets.

 

[Brain357]

The right controls congress, what have they done for the vets? Don't forget repubs sent them to war in the first place.

Hillary is a "repubs"?

You ignore my question about congress?

It was bushes war and was pushed by the repubs.

Obviously Congress passes legislation and controls the budget. What's funny is you think that when it's a Democrat President, it's Congress's fault, but when it's a Republican President, it's the President's fault.

How has republican congress helped the vets?

I don't know. Please tell me how President Obama and the Republican majority Congress have helped vets.

I guess the right doesn't care.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....tell that to the 1,500,000 million Americans who use guns to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives each

God Damn you are reduntantly stupid.

Why don't you find just 400 of the DGUs you claim happened yesterday? That would only be 10% of the DGUs you claim happened just yesterday.

Can you do that? Post 400 DGUs from yesterday and I will shut up about your claim of 1.5 million per year.

Just 400. Go back a day or two if it helps.

But if YOU can't post 400 DGUs, will you stfu about your bullshit claims?

How about you find the 8,124 gun murders that happened in 2014....

your god, bill 'the rapist" clinton said the number was 1,500,000 million defensive gun uses each year.....his anti gun researchers put the study together, they created it and implemented it through the Department of Justice...the results were just backed up by obama and his CDC in 2013...moron....any complaints about that take it up with your god.....

Link and quote where the DOJ and CDC arrived at those numbers. Your lies are tiring.

Already linked to both, numerous times all over U.S. message board.....

Troll.

 

[Divine Wind]

Hillary is a "repubs"?

You ignore my question about congress?

It was bushes war and was pushed by the repubs.

Obviously Congress passes legislation and controls the budget. What's funny is you think that when it's a Democrat President, it's Congress's fault, but when it's a Republican President, it's the President's fault.

How has republican congress helped the vets?

I don't know. Please tell me how President Obama and the Republican majority Congress have helped vets.

I guess the right doesn't care.

Which makes them just like the Left.

 

[Brain357]

Yes....tell that to the 1,500,000 million Americans who use guns to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives each

God Damn you are reduntantly stupid.

Why don't you find just 400 of the DGUs you claim happened yesterday? That would only be 10% of the DGUs you claim happened just yesterday.

Can you do that? Post 400 DGUs from yesterday and I will shut up about your claim of 1.5 million per year.

Just 400. Go back a day or two if it helps.

But if YOU can't post 400 DGUs, will you stfu about your bullshit claims?

How about you find the 8,124 gun murders that happened in 2014....

your god, bill 'the rapist" clinton said the number was 1,500,000 million defensive gun uses each year.....his anti gun researchers put the study together, they created it and implemented it through the Department of Justice...the results were just backed up by obama and his CDC in 2013...moron....any complaints about that take it up with your god.....

Link and quote where the DOJ and CDC arrived at those numbers. Your lies are tiring.

Already linked to both, numerous times all over U.S. message board.....

Troll.

You dodge every time actually. Now link and quote them.