2011 9th Warmest Year in Satellite Record

[IanC]

wirebender is like that. he often holds two mutually exclusive ideas in his head at the same time. sometimes three

 

[Old Rocks]

If they stayed in his head, he would not look the fool he does when he pulls them out and demonstrates how to contradict your own arguement in two paragraphs.

 

[saveliberty]

The solar flares are going to roast us you fools!

Faithers make me smile.

 

[code1211]

You are being intentionally obtuse, aren't you.

Hot in the Sun light and very cold in the dark.

Of course not. The difference in the night time temperatures can be easily explained by water vapor in the atmosphere. Look at a coastal area and a desert along the same lattitude. Both will have roughly the same atmospheric CO2 content but the water vapor content will be quite different. The coastal area will be considerably cooler during the day than the desert because of the water vapor. At night, the desert will cool off much more quickly than the coastal area. Again, due to the presence of water vapor.

The fact is that the atmosphere keeps us cool during the day and the water vapor present in the atmosphere and its capacity to absorb and actually hold heat (unlike the rest of the so called greenhouse gasses) prevents a quick cool down of the night time side of the earth.

I grew up living on the shore of Lake Superior and nobody understand the effect of cooler water on land temperature than folks who grew up there.

Wind from the west? Warm. Blows right our of the Dakotas where it heats up like a hot breath.

Wind from the east? Cold. Blows right off the lake which cools it to the prevailing temperate which never strays far from freezing 20 feet down.

You are making the same mistake as the CO2 is everything crowd. No one cause is the prime mover of climate unless that cause is the Sun.

 

[Old Rocks]

In the long term, just two drivers of temperature on the surface of the Earth at present. The amount of energy we recieve from the sun, and the amount we retain.

The first is determined by the sun. The second, by the amount of GHGs in the atmosphere. We have added 40% more CO2, 150% CH4, and industrial chemicals which have no natural analogs, many of which are thousands of times as powerfull of a GHG as CO2.

To state that we are not having an affect on the temperature of the Earth, and thereby the climate, is to be deaf, blind, and dumb.

 

[wirebender]

So just to make sure we are on the same page.
You are saying that atmosphere cools down a planet, but more atmosphere heats it up.
And water vapor is the only GHG that keeps heat in, and also that all gases keep heat in.
Nope I don't see any contradictions between your two posts.

The ideal gas laws predict that the more dense an atmosphere is and therefore the more atmospheric pressure is present, the warmer said atmosphere will be. Venus is hot because its atmosphere is 90 times more dense than that of earth, not because it is composed of so called greenhouse gasses.

Look at planets like jupiter and saturn. The atmospheres are mostly hydrogen and helium and yet, deep down in those atmospheres they are warm. Not because of greenhouse gasses but because of pressure.

Again, look at the atmosphere of venus at an altitude at which the atmospheric pressure is equal to 1 bar of earth pressure. You will find that the temperature is almost the same as ours even though it is composed almost enetirely of so called greenhouse gasses.

And yes, water vapor is the only gas within our atmosphere that has the capacity to absorb, and hold heat. It has to do with the fact that water is the only substance known to science that can change to all its phases in the open atmosphere.

Any contradictions you believe that you see is due to a lack of knowledge on your part.

 

[wirebender]

wirebender is like that. he often holds two mutually exclusive ideas in his head at the same time. sometimes three

My but don't you become a pissy little girl and hold a grudge for a long time when you get schooled? Are you going to deny the ideal gas laws now as well and argue that a denser atmosphere won't be warmer than an atmosphere composed of the same gases that is less dense?

 

[wirebender]

You are making the same mistake as the CO2 is everything crowd. No one cause is the prime mover of climate unless that cause is the Sun.

Remove the water vapor from the air and the whole picture changes. Water vapor is demonstrably the only gas in the atmosphere that can cause a temperature change.

 

[wirebender]

In the long term, just two drivers of temperature on the surface of the Earth at present. The amount of energy we recieve from the sun, and the amount we retain.

The first is determined by the sun. The second, by the amount of GHGs in the atmosphere. We have added 40% more CO2, 150% CH4, and industrial chemicals which have no natural analogs, many of which are thousands of times as powerfull of a GHG as CO2.

To state that we are not having an affect on the temperature of the Earth, and thereby the climate, is to be deaf, blind, and dumb.

Show me one repeatble experiment that proves your greenhouse gas claim rocks.

 

[Big Fitz]

Uh oh. You'd think the warmest decade on record would have done SOMETHING about this!

The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows | Environment | The Guardian

Or this....

Earth's Polar Ice Melting Less Than Thought - US News and World Report

Ecofascist spin on how this is either not true, misunderstood or oil company shill lies in...

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[code1211]

In the long term, just two drivers of temperature on the surface of the Earth at present. The amount of energy we recieve from the sun, and the amount we retain.

The first is determined by the sun. The second, by the amount of GHGs in the atmosphere. We have added 40% more CO2, 150% CH4, and industrial chemicals which have no natural analogs, many of which are thousands of times as powerfull of a GHG as CO2.

To state that we are not having an affect on the temperature of the Earth, and thereby the climate, is to be deaf, blind, and dumb.

To state that CO2 is prime terrestrial driver of climate is to be deaf, blind and dumb.

But only as far as the evidence is concerned.

 

[code1211]

You are making the same mistake as the CO2 is everything crowd. No one cause is the prime mover of climate unless that cause is the Sun.

Remove the water vapor from the air and the whole picture changes. Water vapor is demonstrably the only gas in the atmosphere that can cause a temperature change.

That may be true and probably is, but the example you cited about the shoreline was not a logical conclusion given the data.

I have personally been on the shore of the big lake when the wind changed direction and experienced a drop in temperature of about 30 degrees in 30 minutes.

I live in Indianapolis and my brother lives in Long Beech. 50 degree in Long Beach feels cooler than 50 degrees in Indianapolis.

 

[wirebender]

That may be true and probably is, but the example you cited about the shoreline was not a logical conclusion given the data.

Of course it is as the only thing changing is the amount of water vapor in the air.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Uh oh. You'd think the warmest decade on record would have done SOMETHING about this!

The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows | Environment | The Guardian

Or this....

Earth's Polar Ice Melting Less Than Thought - US News and World Report

Ecofascist spin on how this is either not true, misunderstood or oil company shill lies in...

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4...
3...
2...
1...

...because of Global Warming

 

[edthecynic]

 

[Big Fitz]

Thanks for proving once again (through Dimwit Trudeau) that this is a religious argument, not scientific.

 

[saveliberty]

Sounds like the satellites are malfunctioning. Only the ninth warmest in satellite history?

 

[skookerasbil]

The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows

Meltwater from Asia's peaks is much less then previously estimated, but lead scientist says the loss of ice caps and glaciers around the world remains a serious concern

Damian Carrington
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 8 February 2012 13.10 EST


The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows | Environment | The Guardian

Hey Westwall............look who's back!!!! ^^^^

I told you........guy is making almost daily appearances these days!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

Poor Fritzy, not a single scientific fact to back his opinion with, just has to resort to mindless flapyap.

 

[Old Rocks]

The Himalayas and nearby peaks have lost no ice in past 10 years, study shows

Meltwater from Asia's peaks is much less then previously estimated, but lead scientist says the loss of ice caps and glaciers around the world remains a serious concern
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Damian Carrington

guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 8 February 2012 13.10 EST
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Yet a USGS photo study showed that there has been a loss. So we have to good studies showing opposite conclusions. The stuff good science is made of. In the resolution of the contradiction, we will learn more about this very important region.