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Another fudge chart cut pasted and parroted proves nothing, retard.
NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses
The data proves you are a parrot of fudge and falsehood...
When will the ice sheet melt?
so again, are you including the Greenland ice in that statement? If so, when would you expect that the land ice will melt by? I already asked back a few months or so how long would it take for land ice to completely melt? Or are you saying that the sheet will just slide off the continent at once? You're confused to what can occur. Dude, I don't believe that the land ice slides into the sea off of Greenland. I supposed if Greenland split it could. What are those odds? I think we're safe on that one in our lifetime. What you're tracking on the chart is sea ice, and I couldn't care less if it melted or not. It's already volume in the sea. it will not cause a rise. So you're still at nadda.When will the ice sheet melt?
Obviously, with as much variation as these data display, counting on that exponential trend is a bit of a bet. But it is certainly headed for zero at some point within the next couple of decades at the latest. Now these are summer minimums. This graph will hit zero when the Arctic is first ice free at it's minimum. It is not marking the point where the Arctic will be ice free year-round.[
'for sure' wow dude you like to act like you're a fkng fortune teller with all the future at your hands. holy crap, you're a pretty magical guy, so do you go gambling? What are the next lottery numbers? What you got in that crystal ball of yours? BTW, ice levels went up after 2012, so you don't even have history on your side for that cockamamie statement.Now you are confusing La Dexter. He sees everything in black and white, so if the Arctic is iceless for a day, it must be iceless year around. Hard to communicate with minds like that.
The present level of Arctic Ice is just about where it was in 2012 at this time of year. Will it go lower? Depends on the weather. But, for sure, within the next two decades it will go much lower.
But even if it's all sea ice, melting all sea ice would not increase sea levels. So they would still be batting .000.It is 100% cherry picking to have a topic about Arctic Sea Ice. Your fudge side is arguing that there is a GLOBAL WARMING ongoing. The topic should be SEA ICE, all of it, not just cherry picking one side. The fact that your side HAS TO CHERRY PICK is a red flag in and of itself as to just how little credibility your side has, given...
1. LOSING in the British Court in 2007 on Antarctic ice growth and CO2/temp correlation, and your side WAS TOO CHICKEN TO APPEAL
2. Documented Antarctic ice and sea ice growth, given that Antarctica is 90% of Earth ice
3. without a real sea level rise, your side has engaged in FRAUD with the islands on the lip of the Pacific Ring of Fire
If your side had REAL GLOBAL WARMING instead of FRAUD and FUDGE, it would have
1. all sea ice melting
2. no losses in courtrooms
3. no reason to cherry pick certain islands over others, because ALL should be sinking, not just those on the lip of the Pacific Ring of Fire
Hence, the claim we must "stick" here to just Arctic Sea Ice is, in and of itself, strong evidence that something is SERIOUSLY WRONG with the theory...
It is 100% cherry picking to have a topic about Arctic Sea Ice.
When will the ice sheet melt?
Obviously, with as much variation as these data display, counting on that exponential trend is a bit of a bet. But it is certainly headed for zero at some point within the next couple of decades at the latest. Now these are summer minimums. This graph will hit zero when the Arctic is first ice free at it's minimum. It is not marking the point where the Arctic will be ice free year-round.[
so again, are you including the Greenland ice in that statement?
If so, when would you expect that the land ice will melt by? I already asked back a few months or so how long would it take for land ice to completely melt? Or are you saying that the sheet will just slide off the continent at once?
no the significant one is has any melting caused a rise in sea level. And you can't show it did. So there is nothing to fear if what you say is so. If Greenland is melting land ice and there is no sea level rise, then accelerating it will still do nothing. Post some evidence of greenland melt. Are you referring to calving? that happens every friggn year bubba.When will the ice sheet melt?
Obviously, with as much variation as these data display, counting on that exponential trend is a bit of a bet. But it is certainly headed for zero at some point within the next couple of decades at the latest. Now these are summer minimums. This graph will hit zero when the Arctic is first ice free at it's minimum. It is not marking the point where the Arctic will be ice free year-round.[so again, are you including the Greenland ice in that statement?
Greenland is melting at an accelerating rate, and contributing to sea level rise.
If so, when would you expect that the land ice will melt by? I already asked back a few months or so how long would it take for land ice to completely melt? Or are you saying that the sheet will just slide off the continent at once?
No one knows when the ice sheet will completely melt. So what? Your question is not the significant one. How fast is the ice sheet melting? Is the melt rate increasing? Those are the significant questions. But you are probably much too retarded to understand why.
In the real world....
State of the Cryosphere
The National Snow and Ice Data Center
(excerpts)
Between April 2002 and April 2006, GRACE data uncovered ice mass loss in Greenland of 248 ± 36 cubic kilometers per year. The ice mass loss rate increased by 250 percent between April 2002 to April 2004 and May 2004 to April 2006. The increase was due almost completely to increased ice loss rates in southern Greenland (Velicogna and Wahr 2006a). Between 2003 and 2005, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost 101 ± 16 gigatons per year, with a gain of 54 gigatons per year above 2,000, meters and a loss of 155 gigatons per year at lower elevations. The lower elevations showed a large seasonal cycle: mass losses during summer melting, and mass gains from autumn through spring. The ice mass loss observed in this research was a change from the trend of losing 113 ± 17 gigatons per year during the 1990s, but was smaller than some other recent estimates (Luthcke et al. 2006).
In 2010, a study using GRACE and Global Positioning System (GPS) measurements from three long-term sites on bedrock near the ice sheet found that the ice loss already documented over southern Greenland was spreading along the northwestern coast. The acceleration of loss likely started in late 2005. GRACE data gave a direct measure of mass loss averaged over scales of a few hundred kilometers, and the GPS data observed crustal uplift resulting from ice mass loss. Uplift observed by both sources showed rapid ice acceleration in southeast Greenland in late 2003, and a modest deceleration in 2006 (Khan et al. 2010).
As for the sea ice....
Arctic Death Spiral
When will the ice sheet melt?
Obviously, with as much variation as these data display, counting on that exponential trend is a bit of a bet. But it is certainly headed for zero at some point within the next couple of decades at the latest. Now these are summer minimums. This graph will hit zero when the Arctic is first ice free at it's minimum. It is not marking the point where the Arctic will be ice free year-round.[
so again, are you including the Greenland ice in that statement?
Greenland is melting at an accelerating rate, and contributing to sea level rise.
If so, when would you expect that the land ice will melt by? I already asked back a few months or so how long would it take for land ice to completely melt? Or are you saying that the sheet will just slide off the continent at once?
No one knows when the ice sheet will completely melt. So what? Your question is not the significant one. How fast is the ice sheet melting? Is the melt rate increasing? Those are the significant questions. But you are probably much too retarded to understand why.
In the real world....
State of the Cryosphere
The National Snow and Ice Data Center
(excerpts)
Between April 2002 and April 2006, GRACE data uncovered ice mass loss in Greenland of 248 ± 36 cubic kilometers per year. The ice mass loss rate increased by 250 percent between April 2002 to April 2004 and May 2004 to April 2006. The increase was due almost completely to increased ice loss rates in southern Greenland (Velicogna and Wahr 2006a). Between 2003 and 2005, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost 101 ± 16 gigatons per year, with a gain of 54 gigatons per year above 2,000, meters and a loss of 155 gigatons per year at lower elevations. The lower elevations showed a large seasonal cycle: mass losses during summer melting, and mass gains from autumn through spring. The ice mass loss observed in this research was a change from the trend of losing 113 ± 17 gigatons per year during the 1990s, but was smaller than some other recent estimates (Luthcke et al. 2006).
In 2010, a study using GRACE and Global Positioning System (GPS) measurements from three long-term sites on bedrock near the ice sheet found that the ice loss already documented over southern Greenland was spreading along the northwestern coast. The acceleration of loss likely started in late 2005. GRACE data gave a direct measure of mass loss averaged over scales of a few hundred kilometers, and the GPS data observed crustal uplift resulting from ice mass loss. Uplift observed by both sources showed rapid ice acceleration in southeast Greenland in late 2003, and a modest deceleration in 2006 (Khan et al. 2010).
As for the sea ice....
Arctic Death Spiral
no the significant one is has any melting caused a rise in sea level.
well how much evaporation is happening with the seas? Come on man, don't try and pull sht like this. Again, where do you think the calving comes from?When will the ice sheet melt?
Obviously, with as much variation as these data display, counting on that exponential trend is a bit of a bet. But it is certainly headed for zero at some point within the next couple of decades at the latest. Now these are summer minimums. This graph will hit zero when the Arctic is first ice free at it's minimum. It is not marking the point where the Arctic will be ice free year-round.[so again, are you including the Greenland ice in that statement?
Greenland is melting at an accelerating rate, and contributing to sea level rise.
If so, when would you expect that the land ice will melt by? I already asked back a few months or so how long would it take for land ice to completely melt? Or are you saying that the sheet will just slide off the continent at once?
No one knows when the ice sheet will completely melt. So what? Your question is not the significant one. How fast is the ice sheet melting? Is the melt rate increasing? Those are the significant questions. But you are probably much too retarded to understand why.
In the real world....
State of the Cryosphere
The National Snow and Ice Data Center
(excerpts)
Between April 2002 and April 2006, GRACE data uncovered ice mass loss in Greenland of 248 ± 36 cubic kilometers per year. The ice mass loss rate increased by 250 percent between April 2002 to April 2004 and May 2004 to April 2006. The increase was due almost completely to increased ice loss rates in southern Greenland (Velicogna and Wahr 2006a). Between 2003 and 2005, the Greenland Ice Sheet lost 101 ± 16 gigatons per year, with a gain of 54 gigatons per year above 2,000, meters and a loss of 155 gigatons per year at lower elevations. The lower elevations showed a large seasonal cycle: mass losses during summer melting, and mass gains from autumn through spring. The ice mass loss observed in this research was a change from the trend of losing 113 ± 17 gigatons per year during the 1990s, but was smaller than some other recent estimates (Luthcke et al. 2006).
In 2010, a study using GRACE and Global Positioning System (GPS) measurements from three long-term sites on bedrock near the ice sheet found that the ice loss already documented over southern Greenland was spreading along the northwestern coast. The acceleration of loss likely started in late 2005. GRACE data gave a direct measure of mass loss averaged over scales of a few hundred kilometers, and the GPS data observed crustal uplift resulting from ice mass loss. Uplift observed by both sources showed rapid ice acceleration in southeast Greenland in late 2003, and a modest deceleration in 2006 (Khan et al. 2010).
As for the sea ice....
Arctic Death Spiral
no the significant one is has any melting caused a rise in sea level.
Yes, it is, in fact, causing a rise in sea levels, moron. When ice that is on top of land melts, and the ice loss is greater than any ice gain from snowfall, sea levels rise. Only retards are unable to comprehend that fact.
you and crick need to get your graphs to be the same.Meanwhile, the melt is tracking close to 2012 levels now. Cult bleaters like Ladexter will keep trying to deflect the topic away from that by fudging, faking and fabricating even more insane nonsense. Parrots gotta squawk, so LaDexter squawks, and the normal people just tune it out.
Arctic sea ice extent was way below 2012 levels while the Beaufort Gyre was in place, a high pressure system above Alaska, which created a wind pattern that compacted the sea ice in the Arctic ocean. About two week ago, it shifted to the opposite pattern, and now the low pressure system there is spreading the Arctic sea ice, which slows down ice extent loss.
How the final minimum extent turns out is anyone's guess. Spreading the ice exposes more ice surface to warm air and water, but it also decreases the sunlight absorbed.
