23 people were executed in the United States in 2017, the lowest number in 25 years

[martybegan]

The US is slowly moving away from capital punishment. It is long overdue. Most of the civilized world is appalled by it

The majority of our states have either banned it or no longer use it. With the exception of the Bible Belt who insist on "eye for an eye" justice, Capital Punishment is extinct

Until people get sick of the assholes getting 3 hots and a cot, or begging for parole when in their 80's.

For States with people that still expect it as part of justice, they may decide to take justice in their own hands.

Here is my trade for no capital punishment. replace the Death penalty with having to break up a rock, 8 hours a day. then when broken you have to put it back together with crazy glue. when done, you get a new rock.

No work on rock, no food.

50-80 years of that would satisfy me enough to get rid of the death penalty. 50-80 years of 3 hots and a cot for someone who probably doesn't mind it doesn't work for some crimes.

How many innocent people are you willing to kill to sate your bloodlust?

It's called justice. sorry, but if someone kills 10-20 people in a spree 3 hots and a cot isn't enough.

 

[rightwinger]

Hopefully the numbers will increase in 2018 .....

If one allows a killer to live, he infracts the image of God. This is the only law in all five books of the OT.

Again: how many innocent people are you willing to kill to sate your bloodlust?

What a stupid comment.

The correct imposition of the death penalty sames countless innocent lives.



Capital Punishment Works
By ROY D. ADLER and MICHAEL SUMMERS
November 2, 2007; Page A13

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB119397079767680173-lMyQjAxMDE3OTAzMjkwNzIwWj.html

Capital Punishment Works

"Recent high-profile events have reopened the debate about the value of capital punishment in a just society. This is an important discussion, because the taking of a human life is always a serious matter.

Most commentators who oppose capital punishment assert that an execution has no deterrent effect on future crimes. Recent evidence, however, suggests that the death penalty, when carried out, has an enormous deterrent effect on the number of murders. More precisely, our recent research shows that each execution carried out is correlated with about 74 fewer murders the following year.

For any society concerned about human life, that type of evidence is something that should be taken very seriously.

The study examined the relationship between the number of executions and the number of murders in the U.S. for the 26-year period from 1979 to 2004, using data from publicly available FBI sources. The chart nearby shows the number of executions and murders by year. There seems to be an obvious negative correlation in that when executions increase, murders decrease, and when executions decrease, murders increase.

In the early 1980s, the return of the death penalty was associated with a drop in the number of murders. In the mid-to-late 1980s, when the number of executions stabilized at about 20 per year, the number of murders increased. Throughout the 1990s, our society increased the number of executions, and the number of murders plummeted. Since 2001, there has been a decline in executions and an increase in murders.

It is possible that this correlated relationship could be mere coincidence, so we did a regression analysis on the 26-year relationship. The association was significant at the .00005 level, which meant the odds against the pattern being simply a random happening are about 18,000 to one. Further analysis revealed that each execution seems to be associated with 71 fewer murders in the year the execution took place.

While it is clear that the number of murders is inversely correlated to the number of executions, it is dangerous to infer causal relationships through correlative data. Causation can be a two-way street, but not in the case of capital punishment. It may be logical that more executions could lead to fewer murders, but it is not at all logical that fewer murders could cause more executions.

A second difficulty with strong correlative data is that of timing. Causes should come before effects, so we correlated each year's executions to the following year's murders and found the results to be even more dramatic. The association was significant at the .00003 level, which meant the odds against the random happening are longer than 34,000 to one. Each execution was associated with 74 fewer murders the following year.

Die-hard campaigners against capital punishment could argue that there might be yet a third variable, such as a stronger police presence or a population shift to urban areas, related to each of the other two variables. Such a variable might exist, but until it can be identified, Occam's razor suggests the simplest solution is probably the actual solution. We know that, for whatever reason, there is a simple but dramatic relationship between the number of executions carried out and a corresponding reduction in the number of murders.

The conclusion that each execution carried out is associated with the saving of dozens of innocent lives creates an extraordinarily difficult moral dilemma for those who campaign against the death penalty. Until now, those activists could look into the eyes of a convicted killer, hear his or her sad story, work tirelessly to set aside the execution and, with that goal accomplished, feel good about themselves for having "saved a life." These data suggest that the moral equation is not nearly that simplistic.

It now seems that the proper question to ask goes far beyond the obvious one of "do we save the life of this convicted criminal?" The more proper question seems to be "do we save this particular life, at a cost of the lives of dozens of future murder victims?" That is a much more difficult moral dilemma, which deserves wide discussion in a free society.

Mr. Adler is a professor of marketing and Mr. Summers is a professor of quantitative methods at Pepperdine University.

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Only barbarians use capital punishment

It is a sign of a primitive culture

 

[Sunni Man]

The death penalty is a social contract between the public and criminals.

If you murder someone, you forfeit your life.

Why do liberals find this concept soo hard to understand? ......

 

[Jarlaxle]

How many innocent people are you willing to kill to sate your bloodlust?

To ensure we get the guilty ones I'm willing to kill ALL the innocent ones.

But you're a kookburger, so what you say doesn't matter except to provide humor.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The death penalty is a social contract between the public and criminals.

If you murder someone, you forfeit your life.

Why do liberals find this concept soo hard to understand? ......

Do you claim, then, that the court system is absolutely 100% infallible?

 

[rightwinger]

A society killing someone is bringing themselves down to their level

 

[Anathema]

But you're a kookburger, so what you say doesn't matter except to provide humor.

My method WORKS. The current system doesn't. Are you interested in efficiency or not.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The US is slowly moving away from capital punishment. It is long overdue. Most of the civilized world is appalled by it

The majority of our states have either banned it or no longer use it. With the exception of the Bible Belt who insist on "eye for an eye" justice, Capital Punishment is extinct

Lol you are an extremist on killing babies, but killing monsters who don’t deserve to love you are against. Liberalism is a mental disorder.


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I'll tell you who has a mental disorder. It's the dumb fucks and death cult junkies who think, or pretend to think, that killing people makes us a safer, more just and rational society. Crime and murder rates do not decline where the death penalty is in force. Killers often don't care about their own lives any more then they care about their victims. Some, in fact are so self loathing that they want to be ritualistically killed by the government. Violence begets violence. Others do not believe that they will be caught and punished. In other case , it's a crime of passion where there is no rational thought involved at all.

In addition, prosecuting a death penalty case is far more time consuming and expensive than going for life without parole. It is also more painful for the victims family because it is that much longer before they will have closure.

Support and opposition to the death penalty is not a "liberal vs conservative think as much as it is a "rational vs moronic and sadistic " thing.

 

[Anathema]

I'll tell you who has a mental disorder. It's the dumb fucks and death cult junkies who think, or pretend to think, that killing people makes us a safer, more just and rational society. Crime and murder rates do not decline where the death penalty is in force. Killers often don't care about their own lives any more then they care about their victims. Some, in fact are so self loathing that they want to be ritualistically killed by the government. Violence begets violence. Others do not believe that they will be caught and punished. In other case , it's a crime of passion where there is no rational thought involved at all.

In addition, prosecuting a death penalty case is far more time consuming and expensive than going for life without parole. It is also more painful for the victims family because it is that much longer before they will have closure.

Please show me a single case in human history where an executed individual has EVER committed crime AFTER they were executed.

If or when you can show me an executed person who has ever committed another crime AFTER their execution, I'll consider changing my view. Until then, it's the most efficient system I've ever seen for ensuring a 0% recidivism rate

 

[Likkmee]

Life in prison with no chance of parole is far worse punishment than execution.

Really, you dunce?

Then why do they all fight the impending sentence.

Jew lawyers need money too

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I'll tell you who has a mental disorder. It's the dumb fucks and death cult junkies who think, or pretend to think, that killing people makes us a safer, more just and rational society. Crime and murder rates do not decline where the death penalty is in force. Killers often don't care about their own lives any more then they care about their victims. Some, in fact are so self loathing that they want to be ritualistically killed by the government. Violence begets violence. Others do not believe that they will be caught and punished. In other case , it's a crime of passion where there is no rational thought involved at all.

In addition, prosecuting a death penalty case is far more time consuming and expensive than going for life without parole. It is also more painful for the victims family because it is that much longer before they will have closure.

Please show me a single case in human history where an executed individual has EVER committed crime AFTER they were executed.

If or when you can show me an executed person who has ever committed another crime AFTER their execution, I'll consider changing my view. Until then, it's the most efficient system I've ever seen for ensuring a 0% recidivism rate

That is as stupid as stupid gets but EXACTLY what I would expect of you. It in no way addresses the issues that I raised. Fucking moron!!

 

[Anathema]

That is as stupid as stupid gets but EXACTLY what I would expect of you. It in no way addresses the issues that I raised. Fucking moron!!

The only salient points are punishing EVERY criminal and doing everything possible to keep people from committing crimes in the future.

The fact that you idiots make it more difficult and expensive to properly punish criminals is YOUR problems. Cops would be Judge and Executioner rolled into one, if I had my way.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I'll tell you who has a mental disorder. It's the dumb fucks and death cult junkies who think, or pretend to think, that killing people makes us a safer, more just and rational society. Crime and murder rates do not decline where the death penalty is in force. Killers often don't care about their own lives any more then they care about their victims. Some, in fact are so self loathing that they want to be ritualistically killed by the government. Violence begets violence. Others do not believe that they will be caught and punished. In other case , it's a crime of passion where there is no rational thought involved at all.

In addition, prosecuting a death penalty case is far more time consuming and expensive than going for life without parole. It is also more painful for the victims family because it is that much longer before they will have closure.

Please show me a single case in human history where an executed individual has EVER committed crime AFTER they were executed.

If or when you can show me an executed person who has ever committed another crime AFTER their execution, I'll consider changing my view. Until then, it's the most efficient system I've ever seen for ensuring a 0% recidivism rate

That is as stupid as stupid gets but EXACTLY what I would expect of you. It in no way addresses the issues that I raised. Fucking moron!!

Not stupid. Psychotic.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

That is as stupid as stupid gets but EXACTLY what I would expect of you. It in no way addresses the issues that I raised. Fucking moron!!

The only salient points are punishing EVERY criminal and doing everything possible to keep people from committing crimes in the future.

The fact that you idiots make it more difficult and expensive to properly punish criminals is YOUR problems. Cops would be Judge and Executioner rolled into one, if I had my way.

Thank you for admitting that you are a police state Fascist who hates everything the America stands for

 

[Anathema]

]Thank you for admitting that you are a police state Fascist who hates everything the America stands for

LOL. I am more thsn willing to admit to being an Authoritarian. I'm proud to admit that.

The Founders were utterly naive.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

But you're a kookburger, so what you say doesn't matter except to provide humor.

My method WORKS. The current system doesn't. Are you interested in efficiency or not.

No it does not!!
Study: 88% of criminologists do not believe the death penalty is an effective deterrent | Death Penalty Information Center

 

[Anathema]

]No it does not!!

You are looking at the wrong stTistic again.

Whether or not the death penalty stops others from committing crimes is irrelevant.

As I asked you yesterday - how many executed criminals become repeat offenders?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The US is slowly moving away from capital punishment. It is long overdue. Most of the civilized world is appalled by it

The majority of our states have either banned it or no longer use it. With the exception of the Bible Belt who insist on "eye for an eye" justice, Capital Punishment is extinct

Until people get sick of the assholes getting 3 hots and a cot, or begging for parole when in their 80's.

For States with people that still expect it as part of justice, they may decide to take justice in their own hands.

Here is my trade for no capital punishment. replace the Death penalty with having to break up a rock, 8 hours a day. then when broken you have to put it back together with crazy glue. when done, you get a new rock.

No work on rock, no food.

50-80 years of that would satisfy me enough to get rid of the death penalty. 50-80 years of 3 hots and a cot for someone who probably doesn't mind it doesn't work for some crimes.

How many innocent people are you willing to kill to sate your bloodlust?

It's called justice. sorry, but if someone kills 10-20 people in a spree 3 hots and a cot isn't enough.

It is called revenge. A primitive and mindless response. Justice is not served by adding to the sum total of violence in society

 

[Vandalshandle]

Long stretches in prison are a lot worse than most people realize. If one is young, they usually have a choice of being regularly raped, or become part of a gang, in which case the daily threat of death or violence is normal. The monotony is broken only by the moments of fear and violence.Punishment means solitary. Anyone suspected of snitching is a marked dead man. Abuse by other inmates and guards is common and expected. Almost everything is dangerous. I can't imagine anyone in for a long stretch finding any reason whatsoever for even a moment's happiness. While, I, too, become emotional about child killers, etc., the truth is that the death penalty serves no practical purpose, and is barbaric.

 

[Anathema]

., the truth is that the death penalty serves no practical purpose, and is barbaric.

It serves the same purpose as putting down a rabid dog. ALL Felons should be executed.