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So, republicans are double-talking, double-dealing dirtballs. What else is new?
What have progressive democrats done for me, that I ever wanted in the first place, since Grover Cleveland?
i'm not a progressive. i am a liberal.
but that has nothing to do with you ignoring the facts in the o/p.
i have no issue with republicans. i can't abide people who abhor fact-based reality.
you're welcome.
And wtf...the religious right *started*? I didn't even know it was a group. What they mean is they started LABELING Christians as *religious right* as a way to marginalize them in order to scare them away from progressive darlings like baby killing, old people killing, genetic engineering and state run religion. It became a by-word about 15-20 years.
But it never "started". That in and of itself makes the entire OP laughable.
Though the NRA whine is pretty funny too.
This belongs in the badlands, what a stupid thread.
Also I disagree with the non-fact that the NRA changed it's views over the last 50 years specifically to protect gun companies. I'm sure you have a contract or some sort of statement that they have made that confirms their partnership, and a shift in politics immediately upon the formation of the partnership.
I'll wait.
1 major fact that Progressives choose to ignore:
Obama is a lying bastard who's destroying America.
So, republicans are double-talking, double-dealing dirtballs. What else is new?
What have progressive democrats done for me, that I ever wanted in the first place, since Grover Cleveland?
i'm not a progressive. i am a liberal.
but that has nothing to do with you ignoring the facts in the o/p.
i have no issue with republicans. i can't abide people who abhor fact-based reality.
you're welcome.
4 inconvenient facts conservatives conveniently ignore
1. The religious right started because of segregation, not abortion.
As Randall Balmer, a Darthmouth professor writing in Politico, explained in a recent article, the organized religious right started as a movement to protect white-only schools from federally mandated desegregation. As Balmer explains, there were many other attempts to rally evangelical Christians to become a conservative movement to support Republicanspornography, prayer in schools, the proposed Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution, even abortionbut none took. Under the guidance of Jerry Falwell, however, it was discovered that evangelical leaders would rally to keep black students out of private schools set up specifically so white kids didnt have to go to desegregated public schools. Even though it was actually the Nixon administration that kickstarted the process of the IRS stripping tax-exempt status from whites only school, Falwell and his buddies blamed Jimmy Carter and used the issue to start rallying support for Ronald Reagans challenge. It was only after the evangelical right was organized that they started expanding into other issues, like abortion.
2. NRA used to support gun control.
The NRA is a gun industry lobby that likes to present itself as a rights group. With that level of deceit, no wonder many people, especially on the right, assume that the group has always existed to lobby against any restriction on access to firearms, or that gun control is a relatively new phenomenon only invented by pansy liberals in the past few decades. In reality, the government has been controlling access to guns for a long, long time. While there have been limits on gun ownership throughout the countrys historyoften for sexist and racist reasons, such as bans on black people owning gunsthe first modern federal gun control law passed in 1934, to stop the proliferation of automatic sub-machine guns that were popular with organized criminals. Prior to that, many states passed laws regulating guns, laws conservatives would reject today, such as waiting periods and requiring gun sellers to share information with police. The NRA actually helped write these laws.
And why not? The NRA was started as a marksman and sporting club, so there was no real reason to oppose gun control laws, until recent decades when it morphed into a lobby to protect the profits of gun manufacturers. Even as late as 1963, the NRA supported gun control laws. It was only as the culture wars began to build and the conservative movement developed that the NRA turned into the organization it is now, feeding paranoia and faux-patriotism to gullible conservatives in order to convince them to buy more guns.
3. Conservatives have always been the voting bloc to stop civil rights.
A lot of pundits and other charlatans like to deflect discussion of modern racism by claiming that Democrats were the ones who tried to stop the Civil Rights Act and Republicans were the ones who tried to pass it. Considering that it was a liberal DemocratLyndon B. Johnsonwho signed the CRA, its clear that it was much more complicated than that. Yes, its true that some Democrats opposed the CRA and plenty of Republicans supported it. But the party lines were not drawn the same back then. Back then, both parties had a mix of liberals and conservatives, and since then, the parties have realigned, with all the conservativeswho voted against the CRAstampeding to the Republican party and all the liberalswho voted for the CRArunning to the Democrats.
As Harry Enten, writing for the Guardian, notes, party was a poor predictor of a politicians vote for the CRA in 1964. A far better predictor was state of origin. In the House, 90 percent of politicians from former Union states voted for it and only 8 percent of politicians from the South did. In the Senate, 92 percent of lawmakers from the Union states voted for the CRA, but only 5 percent1 out of 22of Southern senators did so. In other words, the votes against it came primarily from what we now consider the immovable red statesa permanent bloc of Republicans. And it was anger over the CRA that switched those previously Democratic states to Republican voters. The only states that voted for Barry Goldwater in 1964, besides Arizona,were Southern states.
Indeed, the best way to understand what happened in 1964 is that the CRA kicked off a process where the Republicans started to gather up all the conservative voters and Democrats expelled the racist vote but picked up all the liberals. Focusing on race instead of ideological leaning is a fundamentally dishonest tactic, when any honest assessment of the situation shows that the real divide was between conservatives and liberals, which remains the divide that governs our country today, even as the parties have rebranded themselves.
4. They were for Common Core before they were against it.
The most recent and possibly silliest about-face of the modern conservative movement has to be the turnaround on Common Core, a program initiated by the National Governors Association to standardize and elevate educational standards across the country. Originally, conservatives were indifferent to outright supportive of the programmany Republican governors considered themselves fansand pretty much all the criticism came from people on the left, who were concerned that it would be used as cover for attacks on teachers unions and would favor teach the test-style memorization over actual education.
Then President Obama endorsed it in 2012. Immediately, the right decided that Common Core was a sinister conspiracy to shove liberal ideology down childrens throats (never mind that many educational experts on the left are against it). Liberals make measured criticisms of Common Core, saying it might squelch imagination and writing skills. Conservatives, on the other hand, have taken to accusing the Obama administration of using Common Core to steal children away and teach them to have sex and get divorced so theyll vote for Democrats. A calm, rational discussion of the program is basically impossible, because the entire debate has been taken over by right-wing nuts who have forgotten that, a mere two years ago, they were cool with a program they now compare to Nazi indoctrination.
4 inconvenient facts conservatives conveniently ignore - Salon.com
Still no objective evidence discounting the premise of the OP, just subjective, irrelevant opinion and deflection.
Still no objective evidence discounting the premise of the OP, just subjective, irrelevant opinion and deflection.
Still no links to support ANY OF THE CLAIMS MADE IN AN OPINION PIECE.
[MENTION=20424]Misty[/MENTION]. That Republican Party hasn't existed since the passage of the civil rights laws when all of our southern racist theocratic bigoted types became the GOP southern racist theocratic types.
The northeastern wing of the GOP was able to keep that stuff in check until Ronnie became president. Then baby bush let the wackos full in.
Now, so-called "conservatives" have always been at the forefront of denying people rights, whether by supporting segregation, opposing voting rights and on down the list. Have always opposed science because, well, if you believe in science, you must not trust G-d.
Thanks. But today's GOP is NOT Lincoln's GOP
That is a liberal lie.
There are just as many nut jobs in the democrat party as there are in the republican party.
Those which are the extreme, either to the left or the right.
But history proves that the republican party did more throughout history for civil rights. Whether you believe it or not.
[MENTION=20424]Misty[/MENTION]. That Republican Party hasn't existed since the passage of the civil rights laws when all of our southern racist theocratic bigoted types became the GOP southern racist theocratic types.
The northeastern wing of the GOP was able to keep that stuff in check until Ronnie became president. Then baby bush let the wackos full in.
Now, so-called "conservatives" have always been at the forefront of denying people rights, whether by supporting segregation, opposing voting rights and on down the list. Have always opposed science because, well, if you believe in science, you must not trust G-d.
Thanks. But today's GOP is NOT Lincoln's GOP
Jillian posting more crap. Where are the links for these?
1)the religious right was for segregation? WTF???? Where do you people come up with this shit?
2)Again a link? There was the 1934 law banning automatic weapons....but that's it...
3)so was Al Gore Sr a conservative, Woodrow Wilson? ? The republican party defended civil rights until this day, but lets use your liberal souther strategy in the late 60s. Before that time, name the last democrat more conservative than the republican?
I've said this a million times but I'll say it again. The republican party was started to end slavery it was the republicans that wrote the first civil rights act in the which the democrats would not consider.
"The Party was formally organized in July 1854 by thousands of anti-slavery activists at a convention in Jackson, Michigan. And it was no accident that two years later, in 1856, the first Republican National Convention took place in Philadelphia, where the Constitution was written."
Our History - GOP
"13th Amendment Freeing all the slaves, was passed by a Republican Congress, with unanimous opposition of the Democrats.
14th Amendment granting citizenship for former slaves and granting equal protection under by a Republican Congress, with unanimous opposition of the Democrats
15th Amendment, giving former slaves voting rights was passed by a Republican Congress, with near with unanimous opposition of the Democrats.
The First Hispanic Governor was a Republican--- Romualdo Pacheco (elected 1875)
Republicans Established Howard University for African Americans
The First African-American Senator was a Republican--- Hiram Revels
Republicans Outlawed the Ku Klux Klan The 1871 Civil Rights Act passed by a Republican Congress, was aimed at the KKK. It crushed them and they did not rise again until the Democrat Administration of Woodrow Wilson.
Republicans Passed the 1875 Civil Rights Act--- Massachusetts Republican Senator Charles Sumner the original sponsor of the bill rallied support from his deathbed. Again a Republican Congress passed this law that banned discrimination in all public facilities. The Law was eventually struck down by SCOTUS. *And it was not until 1964 that Congress was able to pass these protections again.
A Former Slave Chaired the 1884 Republican National Convention--- former congressman, John Lynch
A Republican Wrote the 19th AmendmentThis Amendment granted women the right to vote. Republican Senator Aaron Sargent authored it in 1878. For 4 decades the strongest opposition came from Democrats. And it was not until 1919, when a Republican Congress finally able to pass it.
First Women Mayors in the United States--- in 1887, Republican Susanna Salter was elected mayor of Argonia Kansas. *Republican Bertha Landes was elected the first woman mayor of a major U.S. City (Seattle) in * 1926.
First Woman elected to Congress --- Republican Jeanette Rankin Of Montana was the first woman elected to the House of Representatives in 1917."
https://sites.google.com/site/tomiolsonma/a-proud-legacy-of-inclusion
Yes, but what have you done lately?
That republicans have to go back to 1868 to find civil rights advocacy to their credit is the problem; indeed, reprehensible now that conservatives for the most part seek to deny Americans their civil liberties today.
yep
pro- voter disenfranchisement, Repubs always seem to CONVENIENTLY FORGET that they scrapped their demands for equal protection right around..... oh say...... 1964. Wonder if she, and others like her, know what occurred then[MENTION=20424]Misty[/MENTION]
1 major fact that Progressives choose to ignore:
Obama is a lying bastard who's destroying America.
1 major fact that Progressives choose to ignore:
Obama is a lying bastard who's destroying America.
because its retarded
1 major fact that Progressives choose to ignore:
Obama is a lying bastard who's destroying America.
Only to rightwingnut wackos. Seriously. He won twice. You offered nothing. Most of the country disapproves of the obstructionist loons.
Find a new tune to sing. Yours is played out
It's Salon. What did you expect?Jillian posting more crap. Where are the links for these?
1)the religious right was for segregation? WTF???? Where do you people come up with this shit?
2)Again a link? There was the 1934 law banning automatic weapons....but that's it...
3)so was Al Gore Sr a conservative? The republican party defended civil rights until this day, but lets use your liberal souther strategy in the late 60s. Before that time, name the last democrat more conservative than the republican?
So, republicans are double-talking, double-dealing dirtballs. What else is new?
