48%: The Democratic Party needs to face an ugly reality

Has nothing to do with left/right, dullard....Rohm and Strasser were seen as political liabilities.....That's how purges work.

Actually, it had EVERYTHING to do with right/left. The NSDAP started out as a radical socialist party, but it was "National Socialism" as opposed to other socialist movements that were internationalist. However, when the big German Corporations and the Military wanted to use Hitler as their tool, he had to get rid of the guys who took that socialism stuff seriously. So Strasser and Roehm got purged.
You have NFI what you're blabbering about.

Röhm was a homo, which went against everything the eugenics of the Master Race was about...Had to be eliminated.

Strasser was a direct political rival working with Kurt von Schliecher, trying to drag the NSDAP back from Hitler's leftist lunacy, and needed to be eliminated....That's how purges work.

JFC, even your understanding of history is one long string of fucking fairy tales.
 
The German war machine was still a centrally managed economy. It relied on the force of government guns to drive the economy.

Crony Capitalism is a form of SOCIALISM. It's still centrally managed.

The German people weren't going to the store and buying tanks instead of bread. Didn't happen

Okay, buddy, I realize you live in a world of Libertarian Unicorns... but centrally managed economies are a fact of life in the modern world.

Crony Capitalism is not "socialism". The fact that big corporations were all for fascism and were it's biggest supporters. It's why Hitler and Mussolini were given such a free hand prior to 1939... big Corporations loved them.

Ford built factories in Germany, and IBM helped develop the first data systems that the nazis used to organize the holocaust.


Funny thing, the Nazis are gone, but the Corporations are still with us. How fucked up is that?

Of course crony capitalism is socialism. Socialism is a centrally managed economy and crony capitalism is the government making choices. The crony capitalism part is just how government decides market place winners. Paint a pig pink and it's still a pig
 
OMG, they wanted Hitler to be their tool. Hitler? Have you ever seen a history book? They controlled Hitler? You're a fucking drooling mental ward patient loose in public. Turn yourself in

Wow, you miss a lot of stuff. Those big corporations and generals were all for what Hitler was doing when Germany was WINNING the war.... And at the end of the war, very few of them ended up on the gallows with the Nazis....

The myth of the Clean Wehrmacht....
 
Actually Hillary ONLY got the Popular Vote via TWO States California and New York, it was the votes from those TWO States why she got more Popular Votes than The Donald and this is the REASON why Leftists aka Communists WANT to get rid of the Electoral College.

Um, yeah, when the places where people ACTUALLY live can't have a say in the election, that's kind of a big deal.

The electoral College has NEVER been a good idea. Forget about the fact that it puts in disasters like Bush and Trump (and Rutherford B. Hayes, who was kind of a fuckup.)

It goes against the concept of one-person, one vote.
It prevents third parties from forming.
It disenfranchises all but six states...
And at some point, when Texas turns blue, it's going to make it impossible for a Republican to win, ever.

The electoral college has almost no bearing on third parties forming, or succeeding. The electoral college is a great idea, and I hope we can hang on to it. It encourages both parties to appeal to a broad demographic, rather than just focusing on the areas where they have the most support already. Democrats just have a hard time absorbing that fact.

Democrats crowed about the EC in 2012 when Obama won re-election. Then they melted down about it in 2016 when Trump won. Their indignation is totally driven by circumstance.

I don't want PV and would never want it regardless of how elections turned out. That would just be tyranny of the majority
 
OMG, they wanted Hitler to be their tool. Hitler? Have you ever seen a history book? They controlled Hitler? You're a fucking drooling mental ward patient loose in public. Turn yourself in

Wow, you miss a lot of stuff. Those big corporations and generals were all for what Hitler was doing when Germany was WINNING the war.... And at the end of the war, very few of them ended up on the gallows with the Nazis....

The myth of the Clean Wehrmacht....

It doesn't matter what the corporations wanted since Hitler called the shots.

German companies had to follow German government policies and get all their major decisions approved by government. They were not free to operate on their own. You keep claim they "wanted" Hitler to pursue the war. So far evidence from you is zero
 
You have NFI what you're blabbering about.

Röhm was a homo, which went against everything the eugenics of the Master Race was about...Had to be eliminated.

Actually, Hitler had no problem with Roehm's homosexuality... Roehm was about the closest thing that Hitler had to a friend in the NSDAP... He was one of the few people who called him, "Adolf" instead of "Mein Fuhrer".

Strasser was a direct political rival working with Kurt von Schliecher, and needed to be eliminated....That's how purges work.

JFC, even your understanding of history is one ling string of fucking fairy tales.

Strasser was a member of the NSDAP, one of the founding members, in fact. The thing was, Schliecher was a left-winger hoping to split the Right and Left halves of NSDAP to weaken it... By the time he was murdered, Strasser was out of politics altogether... Hitler just purged him out of spite.

My understanding of history was good enough to get me a degree from UIC. What do you have?
 
The German war machine was still a centrally managed economy. It relied on the force of government guns to drive the economy.

Crony Capitalism is a form of SOCIALISM. It's still centrally managed.

The German people weren't going to the store and buying tanks instead of bread. Didn't happen

Okay, buddy, I realize you live in a world of Libertarian Unicorns... but centrally managed economies are a fact of life in the modern world.

Crony Capitalism is not "socialism". The fact that big corporations were all for fascism and were it's biggest supporters. It's why Hitler and Mussolini were given such a free hand prior to 1939... big Corporations loved them.

Ford built factories in Germany, and IBM helped develop the first data systems that the nazis used to organize the holocaust.


Funny thing, the Nazis are gone, but the Corporations are still with us. How fucked up is that?
Looks like you picked the wrong week to quit huffing paint.
 
Democrats crowed about the EC in 2012 when Obama won re-election. Then they melted down about it in 2016 when Trump won. Their indignation is totally driven by circumstance.

Why would they crow about it. Obama won the Popular vote handily....

I don't want PV and would never want it regardless of how elections turned out. That would just be tyranny of the majority

And so? As opposed to what, the tyranny of the minority?

I trust the people to get these things right, thank you... You clearly don't.
 
You are funny!



Trump's tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working ...
www.theguardian.com › business › oct › trump-tax-cuts-helped-billio...


Oct 9, 2019 - Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

I love that fake claim.

Maybe you ought to take back your claim that this is fake.



Watch CBSN Live


America's richest 400 families now pay a lower tax rate than the middle class
BY AIMEE PICCHI
UPDATED ON: OCTOBER 17, 2019 / 4:43 PM / MONEYWATCH
  • The 400 richest U.S. families now pay a lower overall tax rate than the middle-class, the first time that's happened in 100 years, according to economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman.
  • Factoring in federal, state and local taxes, those ultra-wealthy households pay a total rate of about 23% — that compares with just over 24% for the bottom half of households.
  • The U.S. now "looks like the tax system of a plutocracy," Saez and Zucman say.
Ahhhh....The old tax rate as opposed to total tax bill shell game.

Guess what, Francis, the wealthy pay lower rates because their "income" comes from mostly passive sources not associated with wages and salaries....The wealthy STILL pay the most taxes by far, as a matter of total tax bills.

But you already know this, and are just being a disingenuous partisan class warrior shitbag.

Q. Why are you such a shithead?
A. Desperate need for attention.




After years of kicking and screaming, corporate executives have finally released pay data on what their CEO makes versus their median worker.

Unsurprisingly, the gap is obscene. The average chief executive of an S&P 500 company earned 287 times more than their median employee last year, according to an analysis of the new federal data released Tuesday by the AFL-CIO labor federation. America’s CEOs earned a staggering $14.5 million in 2018, on average, compared to the average $39,888 that rank-and-file workers made. And CEOs got a $500,000 bump compared to the previous year, while the average US worker barely got more than $1,000.

Of course the Tax Fraud written by Ryan and signed by Trump has increased this discrepancy for CEO's and other high earning tax payers, by eliminating the two highest tax brackets; while they limited the deduction for Real Estate and State income taxes.

The carrot to the Middle Classes and working poor, the doubling of the standard deduction will sunset in 2027, and of course during the 10 years it is in effect state and local taxes and fees will rise each year.

This simple explanation of the truth may perplex some, the biddable fools who believe Trump and people like Odd Dude.
 
You have NFI what you're blabbering about.

Röhm was a homo, which went against everything the eugenics of the Master Race was about...Had to be eliminated.

Actually, Hitler had no problem with Roehm's homosexuality... Roehm was about the closest thing that Hitler had to a friend in the NSDAP... He was one of the few people who called him, "Adolf" instead of "Mein Fuhrer".

Strasser was a direct political rival working with Kurt von Schliecher, and needed to be eliminated....That's how purges work.

JFC, even your understanding of history is one ling string of fucking fairy tales.

Strasser was a member of the NSDAP, one of the founding members, in fact. The thing was, Schliecher was a left-winger hoping to split the Right and Left halves of NSDAP to weaken it... By the time he was murdered, Strasser was out of politics altogether... Hitler just purged him out of spite.

My understanding of history was good enough to get me a degree from UIC. What do you have?



You got a degree for puking back the pablum that your professors crammed down your throat....Big fat hairy deal....And apparently, that didn't even stick.

Beside being homo (which was bad enough on it's own), Röhm was feuding with Himmler and Heydrich, to whom Hitler had stronger loyalty....Guess who lost?

Strasser left the party and went back into private life...He worked with von Schliecher, who was opposing Hitler....They both got purged for it.

This is all at Wikipedia, ferchrissakes.....You can't even get your alleged college degree fairy tales close to that dubious source.
 
Democrats crowed about the EC in 2012 when Obama won re-election. Then they melted down about it in 2016 when Trump won. Their indignation is totally driven by circumstance.

Why would they crow about it. Obama won the Popular vote handily....

I don't want PV and would never want it regardless of how elections turned out. That would just be tyranny of the majority

And so? As opposed to what, the tyranny of the minority?

I trust the people to get these things right, thank you... You clearly don't.

No, you just prefer urban warfare and poverty as opposed to rural farmlands and peace. We don't begrudge you for your likes, stay in the ant farms, but don't try to force that lifestyle on those of us who choose NOT to live in that environment. We all deserve representation, not just the ant farms. Our founding fathers were much smarter than you or any of your hippie friends who push this nonsense.
 
Democrats crowed about the EC in 2012 when Obama won re-election. Then they melted down about it in 2016 when Trump won. Their indignation is totally driven by circumstance.

Why would they crow about it. Obama won the Popular vote handily....

I don't want PV and would never want it regardless of how elections turned out. That would just be tyranny of the majority

And so? As opposed to what, the tyranny of the minority?

I trust the people to get these things right, thank you... You clearly don't.
People like you should not have their votes equal to people like me. We need to change that.
 
You are funny!



Trump's tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working ...
www.theguardian.com › business › oct › trump-tax-cuts-helped-billio...


Oct 9, 2019 - Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

I love that fake claim.

Maybe you ought to take back your claim that this is fake.



Watch CBSN Live


America's richest 400 families now pay a lower tax rate than the middle class
BY AIMEE PICCHI
UPDATED ON: OCTOBER 17, 2019 / 4:43 PM / MONEYWATCH
  • The 400 richest U.S. families now pay a lower overall tax rate than the middle-class, the first time that's happened in 100 years, according to economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman.
  • Factoring in federal, state and local taxes, those ultra-wealthy households pay a total rate of about 23% — that compares with just over 24% for the bottom half of households.
  • The U.S. now "looks like the tax system of a plutocracy," Saez and Zucman say.
Ahhhh....The old tax rate as opposed to total tax bill shell game.

Guess what, Francis, the wealthy pay lower rates because their "income" comes from mostly passive sources not associated with wages and salaries....The wealthy STILL pay the most taxes by far, as a matter of total tax bills.

But you already know this, and are just being a disingenuous partisan class warrior shitbag.

Q. Why are you such a shithead?
A. Desperate need for attention.




After years of kicking and screaming, corporate executives have finally released pay data on what their CEO makes versus their median worker.

Unsurprisingly, the gap is obscene. The average chief executive of an S&P 500 company earned 287 times more than their median employee last year, according to an analysis of the new federal data released Tuesday by the AFL-CIO labor federation. America’s CEOs earned a staggering $14.5 million in 2018, on average, compared to the average $39,888 that rank-and-file workers made. And CEOs got a $500,000 bump compared to the previous year, while the average US worker barely got more than $1,000.


Of course the Tax Fraud written by Ryan and signed by Trump has increased this discrepancy for CEO's and other high earning tax payers, by eliminating the two highest tax brackets; while they limited the deduction for Real Estate and State income taxes.

The carrot to the Middle Classes and working poor, the doubling of the standard deduction will sunset in 2027, and of course during the 10 years it is in effect state and local taxes and fees will rise each year.

This simple explanation of the truth may perplex some, the biddable fools who believe Trump and people like Odd Dude.
The topic was taxes on passive income, versus those of wages and salaries...It was not CEO pay, you psychotic shitbag.

But bobody thought for a moment that the goalposts were going to move themselves.
 
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Yeah I don't get it either. Maybe America in the recesses of our collective soul is as fascistic and authoritarian as any banana republic. Democracy is no longer reliably producing rich, white plutocratic politicians so it must be time to destroy it.

BLM is trying to destroy it. You approve.
In your own retarded way you got to the heart of the matter. You fear the changing demographics of the nation and you fear that "those people" might be looking for some payback for the crappy way they have been treated. It's an irrational fear but it's enough to get you supporting fascism.
Do you believe in anything that does not involve physical appearance?
 
This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

The Democrats certainly have a gift for snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory!
 
This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

The Democrats certainly have a gift for snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory!
Yeah. But this is unforgivable. Not against this creature.
 
This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often a
llowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

The Democrats need to retake control of their party, they need to tell the Neo-Marxists to GTFO because NO Western nation and ESPECIALLY America wants Marxism and wants to collapse Capitalism and replace it with Anarchy and a Communist System.
And the ugly reality the democrats need to face up to is this......the democrat party doesn't exist any longer.

Seriously?

The democrats are consistent with their party's history since FDR.

Do you think that the Republicans have anything in common with Reagan's Republican party?

Seriously?
 
You have NFI what you're blabbering about.

Röhm was a homo, which went against everything the eugenics of the Master Race was about...Had to be eliminated.

Actually, Hitler had no problem with Roehm's homosexuality... Roehm was about the closest thing that Hitler had to a friend in the NSDAP... He was one of the few people who called him, "Adolf" instead of "Mein Fuhrer".

Strasser was a direct political rival working with Kurt von Schliecher, and needed to be eliminated....That's how purges work.

JFC, even your understanding of history is one ling string of fucking fairy tales.

Strasser was a member of the NSDAP, one of the founding members, in fact. The thing was, Schliecher was a left-winger hoping to split the Right and Left halves of NSDAP to weaken it... By the time he was murdered, Strasser was out of politics altogether... Hitler just purged him out of spite.

My understanding of history was good enough to get me a degree from UIC. What do you have?

Argument from authority fallacy. Do you know what you're talking about or not? Your degree is not relevant
 
This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.


If elections are about contrasts, then think about the contrast between Biden and Trump.

Trump won't have a chance...a turnip would look good compared with Trump.
 
This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.


If elections are about contrasts, then think about the contrast between Biden and Trump.

Trump won't have a chance...a turnip would look good compared with Trump.
Well, here's hoping.
 

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