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You push the whole "blame game" thing and then sit there and scratch your head because black teens respond to your message by doing less and expecting more. You're not doing these kids any favors. In fact you're dooming them to a life of underachievement and complacency. That's what concentrating on "root cause" gets you.
If you really cared about these kids you'd tell them that Life isn't fair...that they got dealt a bad hand and in order to overcome that they are going to have to work harder than most people. It's a message that wasn't given to many of their parents nor their grandparents and it's had a crippling effect on large portions of the black community.
Who is doing the "blame game"? A lot of times people that participate in risky anti-social behaviors , do so because they DON'T expect more and don't see or think about future and the consequences of their actions. The "root cause" of many problems for many types of individuals IS passed down from generation to generation, it's helping break that cycle that will achieve positive results.
Good points in your second paragraph, some of these people were given the message that "Life isn't fair", unfortunately for some people that's where the message stopped, thus that's where malaise and complacency as well as anti-social behaviors take over. For a large majority of the other people, like myself; the message continued that I was "going to have to work harder than most people." and that was the predominate message for most of the Black people I am related to and know as well as knew.
The "message" that has been given to several generations of urban blacks is that they are victims and should be compensated by society because they are victims. That's the message that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton preach repeatedly. The strength of America has always been the self reliance of our people. What we're witnessing now in this country is part of the population that's bought into the notion that bettering yourself through education and hard work is for suckers and chumps. If you're REALLY smart you can hang out and get paid for doing nothing.
You push the whole "blame game" thing and then sit there and scratch your head because black teens respond to your message by doing less and expecting more. You're not doing these kids any favors. In fact you're dooming them to a life of underachievement and complacency. That's what concentrating on "root cause" gets you.
If you really cared about these kids you'd tell them that Life isn't fair...that they got dealt a bad hand and in order to overcome that they are going to have to work harder than most people. It's a message that wasn't given to many of their parents nor their grandparents and it's had a crippling effect on large portions of the black community.
Who is doing the "blame game"? A lot of times people that participate in risky anti-social behaviors , do so because they DON'T expect more and don't see or think about future and the consequences of their actions. The "root cause" of many problems for many types of individuals IS passed down from generation to generation, it's helping break that cycle that will achieve positive results.
Good points in your second paragraph, some of these people were given the message that "Life isn't fair", unfortunately for some people that's where the message stopped, thus that's where malaise and complacency as well as anti-social behaviors take over. For a large majority of the other people, like myself; the message continued that I was "going to have to work harder than most people." and that was the predominate message for most of the Black people I am related to and know as well as knew.
The "message" that has been given to several generations of urban blacks is that they are victims and should be compensated by society because they are victims. That's the message that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton preach repeatedly. The strength of America has always been the self reliance of our people. What we're witnessing now in this country is part of the population that's bought into the notion that bettering yourself through education and hard work is for suckers and chumps. If you're REALLY smart you can hang out and get paid for doing nothing.
Who is doing the "blame game"? A lot of times people that participate in risky anti-social behaviors , do so because they DON'T expect more and don't see or think about future and the consequences of their actions. The "root cause" of many problems for many types of individuals IS passed down from generation to generation, it's helping break that cycle that will achieve positive results.
Good points in your second paragraph, some of these people were given the message that "Life isn't fair", unfortunately for some people that's where the message stopped, thus that's where malaise and complacency as well as anti-social behaviors take over. For a large majority of the other people, like myself; the message continued that I was "going to have to work harder than most people." and that was the predominate message for most of the Black people I am related to and know as well as knew.
The "message" that has been given to several generations of urban blacks is that they are victims and should be compensated by society because they are victims. That's the message that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton preach repeatedly. The strength of America has always been the self reliance of our people. What we're witnessing now in this country is part of the population that's bought into the notion that bettering yourself through education and hard work is for suckers and chumps. If you're REALLY smart you can hang out and get paid for doing nothing.
I agree that some black people whether urban, suburban, and rural, have been given that message in one way or another. Martin Luther King Jr. said the same things, if one has a more than superficial knowledge of his works. As far as Jackson and Sharpton; I'm not either one of those guys, they have a right to preach whatever they preach. With some exceptions, they pretty much are advocating what MLK advocated.
I'm glad that it's only part of the population, a MINORITY of the population should define the MAJORITY of the population. I think that people who define the MAJORITY by the MINORITY, have a negative ulterior motive for doing so, it stinks. The people who fall into that trap are a minority of all people. I think that people who assume that "the Blacks" aren't trying to do anything to uplift themselves as INDIVIDUALS and people, are either ignorant or have some bias.
100 Black Men of America, Inc.
The MENTOR Program - National Forum for Black Public Administrators
Mentorship Is Earned, Not Owed - Black Enterprise
E-mentoring program aims to reduce dropout rate among Black males | Philadelphia Public School Notebook
There are plenty more of POSITIVE people and organizations, doing PLENTY of positive things.
You push the whole "blame game" thing and then sit there and scratch your head because black teens respond to your message by doing less and expecting more. You're not doing these kids any favors. In fact you're dooming them to a life of underachievement and complacency. That's what concentrating on "root cause" gets you.
If you really cared about these kids you'd tell them that Life isn't fair...that they got dealt a bad hand and in order to overcome that they are going to have to work harder than most people. It's a message that wasn't given to many of their parents nor their grandparents and it's had a crippling effect on large portions of the black community.
Who is doing the "blame game"? A lot of times people that participate in risky anti-social behaviors , do so because they DON'T expect more and don't see or think about future and the consequences of their actions. The "root cause" of many problems for many types of individuals IS passed down from generation to generation, it's helping break that cycle that will achieve positive results.
Good points in your second paragraph, some of these people were given the message that "Life isn't fair", unfortunately for some people that's where the message stopped, thus that's where malaise and complacency as well as anti-social behaviors take over. For a large majority of the other people, like myself; the message continued that I was "going to have to work harder than most people." and that was the predominate message for most of the Black people I am related to and know as well as knew.
The "message" that has been given to several generations of urban blacks is that they are victims and should be compensated by society because they are victims. That's the message that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton preach repeatedly. The strength of America has always been the self reliance of our people. What we're witnessing now in this country is part of the population that's bought into the notion that bettering yourself through education and hard work is for suckers and chumps. If you're REALLY smart you can hang out and get paid for doing nothing.
Its ok with me if you go ahead and laugh. Doesnt change the fact that you are wrong. It seems like we cant get past the first hurdle which is whites being comfortable with the fact the root of the problem is with slavery and racism. You dont have to do much other than say "ok that seems possible". I do have outrage over the welfare system but its really not relevant to discuss it if you cant even consider that I speak the truth regarding past slavery and racism today.
So when whites accept their "guilt" all this will change? Gee, since my great grandfather was an officer in the Massachusetts 54th infantry does that mean I get a pass on the slavery guilt thing or is my ancestor still guilty of "overt" racism even though he risked his life to end slavery?
When whites can face the facts and consider the thoughts of the very people they proclaim to want to help a discussion can go from there. Thats why we cant seem to talk because whites are too busy denying and back pedaling.
So when whites accept their "guilt" all this will change? Gee, since my great grandfather was an officer in the Massachusetts 54th infantry does that mean I get a pass on the slavery guilt thing or is my ancestor still guilty of "overt" racism even though he risked his life to end slavery?
When whites can face the facts and consider the thoughts of the very people they proclaim to want to help a discussion can go from there. Thats why we cant seem to talk because whites are too busy denying and back pedaling.
Denying what? That slavery once existed and a war was fought to end it? A war in which over 600,000 Americans died...most of which were white...not black? The person that's guilty of "denying" is you! You steadfastly refuse to admit that the welfare state has destroyed the fabric of black urban America FAR more than some "overt" racism stemming from our slave past. You've bought into the culture of victimization and are oblivious to the harm that culture has engendered.
The "message" that has been given to several generations of urban blacks is that they are victims and should be compensated by society because they are victims. That's the message that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton preach repeatedly. The strength of America has always been the self reliance of our people. What we're witnessing now in this country is part of the population that's bought into the notion that bettering yourself through education and hard work is for suckers and chumps. If you're REALLY smart you can hang out and get paid for doing nothing.
I agree that some black people whether urban, suburban, and rural, have been given that message in one way or another. Martin Luther King Jr. said the same things, if one has a more than superficial knowledge of his works. As far as Jackson and Sharpton; I'm not either one of those guys, they have a right to preach whatever they preach. With some exceptions, they pretty much are advocating what MLK advocated.
I'm glad that it's only part of the population, a MINORITY of the population should define the MAJORITY of the population. I think that people who define the MAJORITY by the MINORITY, have a negative ulterior motive for doing so, it stinks. The people who fall into that trap are a minority of all people. I think that people who assume that "the Blacks" aren't trying to do anything to uplift themselves as INDIVIDUALS and people, are either ignorant or have some bias.
100 Black Men of America, Inc.
The MENTOR Program - National Forum for Black Public Administrators
Mentorship Is Earned, Not Owed - Black Enterprise
E-mentoring program aims to reduce dropout rate among Black males | Philadelphia Public School Notebook
There are plenty more of POSITIVE people and organizations, doing PLENTY of positive things.
Its pretty evident by now that an honest discussion is not what some whites on this board want. They want to absolve their ancestors while at the same time validating themselves for having a racist stance on these issues. Whats funny is that they seem to be angry that Black people aren't eager to hear their solutions due to the way they approach the situation. Now because of your post they will either attack the validity or effectiveness of the organizations in your post or disappear from this thread for one trumped up reason or another.
They seem to have a great antagonistic resentment of "the Blacks". I noticed that many of "the Blacks" that meet their "approval list" tend to say stupid shit like this below:
I agree, the people in question just want to slam "the Blacks". LOL, one ASSHOLE did that on a thread in the "Race Relations" forum! He posted a bunch of "Black groups" and proclaimed them as racists.
"One of the things that I would do is take all black people back to the South and put them on the plantation so they would understand the ethic of working," (Jesse Lee) Peterson told The Huffington Post's Black Voices on Tuesday afternoon. "I'm going to put them all on the plantation. They need a good hard education on what it is to work." My response to him is to take HIS ass to a plantation and set the example FIRST.
This opinion piece sums it up quite well:
Allen West and the `plantation? card - The Plum Line - The Washington Post
Cain and West are intelligent guys, do you think that they think that they can bring "the Blacks" over to the republican party and conservatism, by making the SAME bigoted, inaccurate generalizations that their white counterparts make? All of this "The Blacks are on the democrat plantation" , "The Blacks are brainwashed", "The Blacks are all bad.", etc. Is just a "fancy" way of calling "The Blacks" outright *******. Plain and simple.
So you believe that separating black and white is the way to go??? At least the uncle toms want to better themselves and work with the rest of society.
I guess you want segregation.
The problem is the low IQ's of blacks, and you're proof of that.The question you should be asking is are whites willing to stop being so defensive about what the root cause is? Identifying the problem is half the battle. If that is not addressed there will continue to be an uneasy truce.
Its ok with me if you go ahead and laugh. Doesnt change the fact that you are wrong. It seems like we cant get past the first hurdle which is whites being comfortable with the fact the root of the problem is with slavery and racism. You dont have to do much other than say "ok that seems possible". I do have outrage over the welfare system but its really not relevant to discuss it if you cant even consider that I speak the truth regarding past slavery and racism today.
So when whites accept their "guilt" all this will change? Gee, since my great grandfather was an officer in the Massachusetts 54th infantry does that mean I get a pass on the slavery guilt thing or is my ancestor still guilty of "overt" racism even though he risked his life to end slavery?
When whites can face the facts and consider the thoughts of the very people they proclaim to want to help a discussion can go from there. Thats why we cant seem to talk because whites are too busy denying and back pedaling.
The problem is the low IQ's of blacks, and you're proof of that.The question you should be asking is are whites willing to stop being so defensive about what the root cause is? Identifying the problem is half the battle. If that is not addressed there will continue to be an uneasy truce.
So when whites accept their "guilt" all this will change? Gee, since my great grandfather was an officer in the Massachusetts 54th infantry does that mean I get a pass on the slavery guilt thing or is my ancestor still guilty of "overt" racism even though he risked his life to end slavery?
When whites can face the facts and consider the thoughts of the very people they proclaim to want to help a discussion can go from there. Thats why we cant seem to talk because whites are too busy denying and back pedaling.
frankly, I'm not interested in helping black people.
go fuck yourselves at this point
So you believe that separating black and white is the way to go??? At least the uncle toms want to better themselves and work with the rest of society.
I guess you want segregation.
That time has come and gone. I have white family members and friends. Thats not the answer. The question you should be asking is are whites willing to stop being so defensive about what the root cause is? Identifying the problem is half the battle. If that is not addressed there will continue to be an uneasy truce.
Uncle Toms are not honorable people. They dont want to work with society. They want to hitch a ride. If aliens flew into DC today promising a great life an Uncle tom would be the first to put down the human race attempting to curry favor.
So you believe that separating black and white is the way to go??? At least the uncle toms want to better themselves and work with the rest of society.
I guess you want segregation.
So you believe that separating black and white is the way to go??? At least the uncle toms want to better themselves and work with the rest of society.
I guess you want segregation.
That time has come and gone. I have white family members and friends. Thats not the answer. The question you should be asking is are whites willing to stop being so defensive about what the root cause is? Identifying the problem is half the battle. If that is not addressed there will continue to be an uneasy truce.
Uncle Toms are not honorable people. They dont want to work with society. They want to hitch a ride. If aliens flew into DC today promising a great life an Uncle tom would be the first to put down the human race attempting to curry favor.
You are such a racist idiot. The problem is people who think and talk and act like you do. If we could rid society of racists such as yourself the rest of us could ignore skin color.
You are an ignorant imbecile.
The problem is the low IQ's of blacks, and you're proof of that.The question you should be asking is are whites willing to stop being so defensive about what the root cause is? Identifying the problem is half the battle. If that is not addressed there will continue to be an uneasy truce.
That time has come and gone. I have white family members and friends. Thats not the answer. The question you should be asking is are whites willing to stop being so defensive about what the root cause is? Identifying the problem is half the battle. If that is not addressed there will continue to be an uneasy truce.
Uncle Toms are not honorable people. They dont want to work with society. They want to hitch a ride. If aliens flew into DC today promising a great life an Uncle tom would be the first to put down the human race attempting to curry favor.
You are such a racist idiot. The problem is people who think and talk and act like you do. If we could rid society of racists such as yourself the rest of us could ignore skin color.
You are an ignorant imbecile.
Now you are being dishonest. You know I'm not a racist. I wouldnt have a biracial daughter if that were true. You just dont like my point of view. I wonder if you can accurately summarize what I am saying and find anything wrong with it?
That time has come and gone. I have white family members and friends. Thats not the answer. The question you should be asking is are whites willing to stop being so defensive about what the root cause is? Identifying the problem is half the battle. If that is not addressed there will continue to be an uneasy truce.
Uncle Toms are not honorable people. They dont want to work with society. They want to hitch a ride. If aliens flew into DC today promising a great life an Uncle tom would be the first to put down the human race attempting to curry favor.
You are such a racist idiot. The problem is people who think and talk and act like you do. If we could rid society of racists such as yourself the rest of us could ignore skin color.
You are an ignorant imbecile.
Now you are being dishonest. You know I'm not a racist. I wouldnt have a biracial daughter if that were true. You just dont like my point of view. I wonder if you can accurately summarize what I am saying and find anything wrong with it?
