$6.00 a gallon for gas in Florida

[Papageorgio]

The current hikes in gas are not the blame of speculators, it is a result of a bad energy plan and a bad fiscal policy. The demand for oil, world wide is up, and the government has shut down drilling and finding more sources for oil, the fact is until we find alternatives we are at the mercy of foreign countries and not drilling puts us further under their thumb. So this IS the President's fault and it is HIS problem to deal with.

The other issue is the willingness of this administration too allow the printing of more and more money which helps cover the debt but leads to higher prices because of the weakened dollar.

So even though the President is wanting to blame others and appear helpless, his administration, actions and policies are leading us down the road to higher oil prices.

 

[Mr. H.]

Geithner gave an interview this morning. Very rational and level headed.

 

[Papageorgio]

Geithner gave an interview this morning. Very rational and level headed.

Was he explaining how not to pay taxes?

 

[Mr. H.]

Geithner gave an interview this morning. Very rational and level headed.

Was he explaining how not to pay taxes?

LOL.
The video isn't up yet. Maybe you can find the text of it.

 

[Mr. H.]

Here ya go-

Treasury Secretary Geithner: Oil & Global Economy - CNBC

 

[amrchaos]

High gas prices are the key to energy independence!

Legalize price gouging of gasoline! Let the gas merchan charge as much as he wants for a gallon! Government and socialist are trying to protect the consumer with their heavy handed laws on prices!

Environmentalist and Capitalist unite for a better world! Eliminate regulation that suppress the price of gasoline! Allow the free market to operate! Allow the so called "PRICE GOUGING"!

Until gasoline can reach its true price potential, America will continue to be enslaved to the wonders of Saudi's gold!

 

[Syphon]

Yet you support obama. What bullshit.

what has he unilaterally done that isnt a power of the office of the president?

There's no need to use those big liberal talking point words "unilaterally"
What has he done?

he has done many things:
Repeal DADT
Auto Bailout
Bank Bailout
Health Care Reform
New START
New Free Trade Agreements
Payroll Tax Cut

you can disagree with his policies, but its silly to claim he has done nothing. so again i ask, what has Obama done unilaterally that is not a power of the office of the president?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

what has he unilaterally done that isnt a power of the office of the president?

There's no need to use those big liberal talking point words "unilaterally"
What has he done?

he has done many things:
Repeal DADT
Auto Bailout
Bank Bailout
Health Care Reform
New START
New Free Trade Agreements
Payroll Tax Cut
you can disagree with his policies, but its silly to claim he has done nothing. so again i ask, what has Obama done unilaterally that is not a power of the office of the president?

he has done many things:
Repeal DADT NOT IMPORTANT ISSUE
Auto Bailout GM BUILT A NEW PLANT IN MEXICO AFTER THEY WERE BAILED OUT
Bank Bailout CEO's WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP THEIR BOUNCINESS WITH THE HELP OF DODD
Health Care Reform OVER REACH OF FEDERAL AUTHORITY
New START WHAT DID WE LOSE
New Free Trade Agreements GIBSON GUITARS TOLD IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THEM IF THEY OUT SOURCED THEIR JOBS
Payroll Tax Cut ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BUSHES TAX CUTS?

So far you have nothing.

 

[Mr Natural]

Considereing what it has to got through to get to the gas pump, we should be thankful it doesn't cost a whole lot more than it does.

A gallon of milk costs more and it's a whole lot easier to get and it's a renewable resource.

So quit your bellyaching and suck it up.

 

[Synthaholic]

I thought the Iraq War was "all about the oil".

Why, then, did gas stay pretty much flat through the Bush term (except for the occasional spike or dip), but now doubles since we've left ????

We had $4 gas throughout the spring and summer of 2007. It was very high for a very long time. On the day Clinton left office gas was $1.09 in the Florida panhandle and $.99 over the border in Georgia, which had a lower State gas tax.

And the Iraq War was all about controlling the oil, not pumping it. Look at who has signed the 30 year leases with the new Iraqi government. All the same old names. And these are huge oilfields. If Exxon wanted to pump more, they certainly have the capacity to do so. What does it say then, that they do not pump the oil and get the price down?

I really hate to say it, because it calls for government intrusion on the free market, but there needs to be a way to get these yahoos to do SOMETHING....because what they're doing now just ain't working.

(am I a Democrat for saying that??)

We need to fix shit like this:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...ding-war-with-mexico-at-pump.html#post4863491

 

[Luddly Neddite]

if you understand supply and demand you understand that gas is directly tied to the price of oil. oil is also a commodity which is sold on the open markets and available for speculation. the GOP touts the free market system as the best system in the world. well this is a result of the free market system. if demand outpaces supply, prices increase. which is what is currently happening.

now you may say that its because Obama is limiting drilling on the north american shelf. this again is not true at all. Domestic drilling and oil production is at its highest level in history. the problem is that oil once again is a commodity and its price is set on the open market.

if the president were to unilaterally fix gas prices, then you could actually call him a socialist or a communist. since this is actually a part of the socialist / communist ideology. when the government control, fixes, or alters an industry unilaterally, it is in essence the definition of socialism / communism. if this is what the GOP/TP/Conservative want, its extremely hypocritical.

Oh Puh-leese ...

Facts and logic are not what the rw's want to hear. Keep that up and they'll have admit that President Obama has no control or influence over gas prices.

 

[Syphon]

There's no need to use those big liberal talking point words "unilaterally"
What has he done?

he has done many things:
Repeal DADT
Auto Bailout
Bank Bailout
Health Care Reform
New START
New Free Trade Agreements
Payroll Tax Cut
you can disagree with his policies, but its silly to claim he has done nothing. so again i ask, what has Obama done unilaterally that is not a power of the office of the president?

he has done many things:
Repeal DADT NOT IMPORTANT ISSUE
Auto Bailout GM BUILT A NEW PLANT IN MEXICO AFTER THEY WERE BAILED OUT
Bank Bailout CEO's WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP THEIR BOUNCINESS WITH THE HELP OF DODD
Health Care Reform OVER REACH OF FEDERAL AUTHORITY
New START WHAT DID WE LOSE
New Free Trade Agreements GIBSON GUITARS TOLD IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THEM IF THEY OUT SOURCED THEIR JOBS
Payroll Tax Cut ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BUSHES TAX CUTS?

So far you have nothing.

so you already proved my point and actually agreed with everything i said that he in fact has accomplished things during his presidency. you just dont agree with any of them. low and behold, he can be taught! it isnt a surprise that you disagree with everything he has done, your part of the GOP/TP.

- im pretty sure DADT was discrimination, glad to see you are in favor of legalized discrimination.
- and the bailout also saved between 1M and 1.4M american jobs.
- awesome, i didnt know bank ceo's had "bounciness", all those bounce houses must be epic!
- your opinion only, its been rule constitutional 3 times and unconstitutional 3 time. the patriot act would have been a better example of over reach. but im pretty sure you agree with the patriot act.
- START reduced the number nuclear weapons between us and Russia. because only have enough nukes to blow up the work 10 time over instead of 20 times, is a terrible thing. how much does it cost a year to house and service those nuke. wouldnt that money be better spend on infrastructure and education?
- so youre gonna base your entire argument that free trade agreements are based on Gibson guitars? GM, Ford and Chrysler can now sell cars overseas and be competitive. exports are projected in increase due to the new FTA.
- oh and btw the payroll tax extension he signed last week was part of his original stimulus package and was the extended for another 10 months. it was not Bush's

so far you go pwned.

 

[Syphon]

he has done many things:
Repeal DADT NOT IMPORTANT ISSUE
Auto Bailout GM BUILT A NEW PLANT IN MEXICO AFTER THEY WERE BAILED OUT
Bank Bailout CEO's WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP THEIR BOUNCINESS WITH THE HELP OF DODD
Health Care Reform OVER REACH OF FEDERAL AUTHORITY
New START WHAT DID WE LOSE
New Free Trade Agreements GIBSON GUITARS TOLD IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THEM IF THEY OUT SOURCED THEIR JOBS
Payroll Tax Cut ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BUSHES TAX CUTS?

So far you have nothing.

so you already proved my point and actually agreed with everything i said that he in fact has accomplished things during his presidency. you just dont agree with any of them. low and behold, he can be taught! it isnt a surprise that you disagree with everything he has done, your part of the GOP/TP.

- im pretty sure DADT was discrimination, glad to see you are in favor of legalized discrimination.
- and the bailout also saved between 1M and 1.4M american jobs.
- awesome, i didnt know bank ceo's had "bounciness", all those bounce houses must be epic!
- your opinion only, its been rule constitutional 3 times and unconstitutional 3 time. the patriot act would have been a better example of over reach. but im pretty sure you agree with the patriot act.
- START reduced the number nuclear weapons between us and Russia. because only have enough nukes to blow up the work 10 time over instead of 20 times, is a terrible thing. how much does it cost a year to house and service those nuke. wouldnt that money be better spend on infrastructure and education?
- so youre gonna base your entire argument that free trade agreements are based on Gibson guitars? GM, Ford and Chrysler can now sell cars overseas and be competitive. exports are projected in increase due to the new FTA.
- oh and btw the payroll tax extension he signed last week was part of his original stimulus package and was the extended for another 10 months. it was not Bush's

so far you go pwned.

Your point was MOOT because what he did was nothing but failure. Do you have anything else to add to his failure list?

glad to see you have the ability to have a civil debate. you and the wing nuts believe he has been a failure. when the data and facts from economists show the opposite. glad to see you have less than a high school education.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

he has done many things:
Repeal DADT
Auto Bailout
Bank Bailout
Health Care Reform
New START
New Free Trade Agreements
Payroll Tax Cut
you can disagree with his policies, but its silly to claim he has done nothing. so again i ask, what has Obama done unilaterally that is not a power of the office of the president?

he has done many things:
Repeal DADT NOT IMPORTANT ISSUE
Auto Bailout GM BUILT A NEW PLANT IN MEXICO AFTER THEY WERE BAILED OUT
Bank Bailout CEO's WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP THEIR BOUNCINESS WITH THE HELP OF DODD
Health Care Reform OVER REACH OF FEDERAL AUTHORITY
New START WHAT DID WE LOSE
New Free Trade Agreements GIBSON GUITARS TOLD IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THEM IF THEY OUT SOURCED THEIR JOBS
Payroll Tax Cut ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BUSHES TAX CUTS?

So far you have nothing.

so you already proved my point and actually agreed with everything i said that he in fact has accomplished things during his presidency. you just dont agree with any of them. low and behold, he can be taught! it isnt a surprise that you disagree with everything he has done, your part of the GOP/TP.

- im pretty sure DADT was discrimination, glad to see you are in favor of legalized discrimination.
- and the bailout also saved between 1M and 1.4M american jobs.
- awesome, i didnt know bank ceo's had "bounciness", all those bounce houses must be epic!
- your opinion only, its been rule constitutional 3 times and unconstitutional 3 time. the patriot act would have been a better example of over reach. but im pretty sure you agree with the patriot act.
- START reduced the number nuclear weapons between us and Russia. because only have enough nukes to blow up the work 10 time over instead of 20 times, is a terrible thing. how much does it cost a year to house and service those nuke. wouldnt that money be better spend on infrastructure and education?
- so youre gonna base your entire argument that free trade agreements are based on Gibson guitars? GM, Ford and Chrysler can now sell cars overseas and be competitive. exports are projected in increase due to the new FTA.
- oh and btw the payroll tax extension he signed last week was part of his original stimulus package and was the extended for another 10 months. it was not Bush's

so far you go pwned.

Your point was MOOT because what he did was nothing but failure. Do you have anything else to add to his failure list?

and the bailout also saved between 1M and 1.4M american jobs.

It saved a lot of union contracts, plus you never did say anything about GM building a new plant in Mexico?

so youre gonna base your entire argument that free trade agreements are based on Gibson guitars? GM, Ford and Chrysler can now sell cars overseas and be competitive. exports are projected in increase due to the new FTA.

Still can't get by the part about the new GM plant that was built in Mexico. As for cars being built here Michigan has a very high unemployment rate. The only people making money are board members and share holders.

your opinion only, its been rule constitutional 3 times and unconstitutional 3 time. the patriot act would have been a better example of over reach. but im pretty sure you agree with the patriot act.

Communism is not Constitutional. The government cannot force you to buy a product., If they can where do they stop?

 

[Syphon]

he has done many things:
Repeal DADT NOT IMPORTANT ISSUE
Auto Bailout GM BUILT A NEW PLANT IN MEXICO AFTER THEY WERE BAILED OUT
Bank Bailout CEO's WERE ALLOWED TO KEEP THEIR BOUNCINESS WITH THE HELP OF DODD
Health Care Reform OVER REACH OF FEDERAL AUTHORITY
New START WHAT DID WE LOSE
New Free Trade Agreements GIBSON GUITARS TOLD IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THEM IF THEY OUT SOURCED THEIR JOBS
Payroll Tax Cut ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BUSHES TAX CUTS?

So far you have nothing.

so you already proved my point and actually agreed with everything i said that he in fact has accomplished things during his presidency. you just dont agree with any of them. low and behold, he can be taught! it isnt a surprise that you disagree with everything he has done, your part of the GOP/TP.

- im pretty sure DADT was discrimination, glad to see you are in favor of legalized discrimination.
- and the bailout also saved between 1M and 1.4M american jobs.
- awesome, i didnt know bank ceo's had "bounciness", all those bounce houses must be epic!
- your opinion only, its been rule constitutional 3 times and unconstitutional 3 time. the patriot act would have been a better example of over reach. but im pretty sure you agree with the patriot act.
- START reduced the number nuclear weapons between us and Russia. because only have enough nukes to blow up the work 10 time over instead of 20 times, is a terrible thing. how much does it cost a year to house and service those nuke. wouldnt that money be better spend on infrastructure and education?
- so youre gonna base your entire argument that free trade agreements are based on Gibson guitars? GM, Ford and Chrysler can now sell cars overseas and be competitive. exports are projected in increase due to the new FTA.
- oh and btw the payroll tax extension he signed last week was part of his original stimulus package and was the extended for another 10 months. it was not Bush's

so far you go pwned.

Your point was MOOT because what he did was nothing but failure. Do you have anything else to add to his failure list?


It saved a lot of union contracts, plus you never did say anything about GM building a new plant in Mexico?

so youre gonna base your entire argument that free trade agreements are based on Gibson guitars? GM, Ford and Chrysler can now sell cars overseas and be competitive. exports are projected in increase due to the new FTA.

Still can't get by the part about the new GM plant that was built in Mexico. As for cars being built here Michigan has a very high unemployment rate. The only people making money are board members and share holders.

your opinion only, its been rule constitutional 3 times and unconstitutional 3 time. the patriot act would have been a better example of over reach. but im pretty sure you agree with the patriot act.

Communism is not Constitutional. The government cannot force you to buy a product., If they can where do they stop?

so a plant was built in mexico, what of it? GM also has plants in the US. GM overall is profitable again, are you really that short sighted that you cant see that?

the health care law is not communism. look up the definition of communism. the simple fact that you are going to be required to use private insurers and not a government programs alone make it not communism.

and i would honsetly be fine without the individual mandate, pending that hospitals are allowed to refuse any and all services for lack of an ability to pay. you break your leg, no insurance, no upfront payment, no services. you have a heart attack, no insurance, no upfront payment, no services. you have a brain tumor, no insurance, no upfront payment, no services.

you would just simply need the supreme court to reverse its ruling that hospitals provide services regardless of a patients ability to pay.

heres why the HC law was deemed legal.

"That a direct requirement for most Americans to purchase any product or service seems an intrusive exercise of legislative power surely explains why Congress has not used this authority before – but that seems to us a political judgment rather than a recognition of constitutional limitations," Judge Laurence Silberman, an appointee of President Ronald Reagan wrote in the court's opinion. Silberman was joined by Judge Harry Edwards, a Carter appointee. But, they added, "The right to be free from federal regulation is not absolute and yields to the imperative that Congress be free to forge national solutions to national problems."
"People who make a decision to forego health insurance do not opt out of the health care market,"

Obama Health Care Reform Ruling: Appeals Court Upholds Law

 

[bigrebnc1775]

so you already proved my point and actually agreed with everything i said that he in fact has accomplished things during his presidency. you just dont agree with any of them. low and behold, he can be taught! it isnt a surprise that you disagree with everything he has done, your part of the GOP/TP.

- im pretty sure DADT was discrimination, glad to see you are in favor of legalized discrimination.
- and the bailout also saved between 1M and 1.4M american jobs.
- awesome, i didnt know bank ceo's had "bounciness", all those bounce houses must be epic!
- your opinion only, its been rule constitutional 3 times and unconstitutional 3 time. the patriot act would have been a better example of over reach. but im pretty sure you agree with the patriot act.
- START reduced the number nuclear weapons between us and Russia. because only have enough nukes to blow up the work 10 time over instead of 20 times, is a terrible thing. how much does it cost a year to house and service those nuke. wouldnt that money be better spend on infrastructure and education?
- so youre gonna base your entire argument that free trade agreements are based on Gibson guitars? GM, Ford and Chrysler can now sell cars overseas and be competitive. exports are projected in increase due to the new FTA.
- oh and btw the payroll tax extension he signed last week was part of his original stimulus package and was the extended for another 10 months. it was not Bush's

so far you go pwned.

Your point was MOOT because what he did was nothing but failure. Do you have anything else to add to his failure list?


It saved a lot of union contracts, plus you never did say anything about GM building a new plant in Mexico?



Still can't get by the part about the new GM plant that was built in Mexico. As for cars being built here Michigan has a very high unemployment rate. The only people making money are board members and share holders.

your opinion only, its been rule constitutional 3 times and unconstitutional 3 time. the patriot act would have been a better example of over reach. but im pretty sure you agree with the patriot act.

Communism is not Constitutional. The government cannot force you to buy a product., If they can where do they stop?

so a plant was built in mexico, what of it? GM also has plants in the US. GM overall is profitable again, are you really that short sighted that you cant see that?

the health care law is not communism. look up the definition of communism. the simple fact that you are going to be required to use private insurers and not a government programs alone make it not communism.

and i would honsetly be fine without the individual mandate, pending that hospitals are allowed to refuse any and all services for lack of an ability to pay. you break your leg, no insurance, no upfront payment, no services. you have a heart attack, no insurance, no upfront payment, no services. you have a brain tumor, no insurance, no upfront payment, no services.

you would just simply need the supreme court to reverse its ruling that hospitals provide services regardless of a patients ability to pay.

heres why the HC law was deemed legal.

"That a direct requirement for most Americans to purchase any product or service seems an intrusive exercise of legislative power surely explains why Congress has not used this authority before – but that seems to us a political judgment rather than a recognition of constitutional limitations," Judge Laurence Silberman, an appointee of President Ronald Reagan wrote in the court's opinion. Silberman was joined by Judge Harry Edwards, a Carter appointee. But, they added, "The right to be free from federal regulation is not absolute and yields to the imperative that Congress be free to forge national solutions to national problems."
"People who make a decision to forego health insurance do not opt out of the health care market,"

Obama Health Care Reform Ruling: Appeals Court Upholds Law

so a plant was built in mexico, what of it? GM also has plants in the US. GM overall is profitable again, are you really that short sighted that you cant see that?

Well there you go a plant was built in Mexico after GM was bailed out with tax payers money, they will hire non American citizens in another country, when Americans need work. And all you can say is what of it and act like this is some great obama victory? You are fucking unreal.

heres why the HC law was deemed legal.

NO to hell No.

 

[Syphon]

once again, you have shown your impeccable debating skills. that education system in NC musts be fantastic.

if you dont want to get HC, then just provide the government with a waiver, but also recognize that if you show up to the hospital and can not pay, then they should be able to refuse you services.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

once again, you have shown your impeccable debating skills. that education system in NC musts be fantastic.

if you dont want to get HC, then just provide the government with a waiver, but also recognize that if you show up to the hospital and can not pay, then they should be able to refuse you services.

I will not provide them with nothing, nor money.

 

[Syphon]

once again, you have shown your impeccable debating skills. that education system in NC musts be fantastic.

if you dont want to get HC, then just provide the government with a waiver, but also recognize that if you show up to the hospital and can not pay, then they should be able to refuse you services.

I will not provide them with nothing, nor money.

so youve put it in writing, if you agree not to purchase health care, and you have a heart attack you wont call 911 and go to the hospital unless you pre pay them for that services? or if you fall and break your leg you wont get services? or if you have a stroke, no services either?

AWESOME!!!! i wont have to subsidize your health insurance anymore.

 

[hortysir]

Here ya go-

Treasury Secretary Geithner: Oil & Global Economy - CNBC

Damn....who knew Timmy was so moderate???