6 New Gun Control Laws Pass in California

[Wry Catcher]

That is not a reasonable explanation.

Yet it does open the question, why were some people not eligible to join the Militia? And why would the States be given the authority the appointment of officers and the training of the Militia - can't we infer that as part of the training some individuals would be unfit, and rejected from service. Such a rejection might have been due to mental illness, drunkenness or loyalty to the British Crown? So, I ask again, why would any sane, sober and responsible community / State / nation allow such persons to own or possess a gun, be it a single action revolver or a Glock 19 with a large capacity magazine?

why were some people not eligible to join the Militia?

age/sex.

In most areas, militia was able bodied men between the ages of 16-45, others, 16-57.

Females were not allowed to join a militia, no matter their age.

Once again, not all men are mentally or physically allowed to be in the Militia. COTUS gives the power to train the Militia under the rules set by the Congress. Has the Congress established such rules? If the State has the authority to appoint officers to train the Militia, which States have done so?

All the pretend constitutional experts abound on 2nd A. threads, so any number of them ought to have the answers to these questions on speed dial.
I await an answer which does not begin, end or include because gun right cannot be infringed. They are, get over it.

The second was put in place so people could form militias independent of the government
The government already had the power to raise an army

BULLSHIT! Why do you make stuff up?

Yes, the government could fund an army (Art. I, sec 8, clause 12), no such restriction to State Militias.

Not making anything up

the second was meant to allow the people to form militias not the government.

The bill or rights enumerates the rights of the people and restricts the power of the government

Have you not read Art. I, sec 8, clause 16? Maybe you should with an unbiased eye.

 

[Wry Catcher]

People who like their rights should move out of California. It's turning into Cubafornia.

Great idea. If you want to carry a gun to the mall or supermarket please do move to a Red State. You won't be missed in California. We already have over 10% of the nation's population so allowing a few ammosexuals free travel to points east is well worth the expense. And those not living here, don't bother coming, while jobs are plentiful they require higher education degrees and real 21st Century skills; post WW II homes built in urban areas here are 1,100 sq. ft. and cost in the million dollar range, and remember road kill is hard to find on our restaurant menus.

You like being pussy whipped?

Never have been. If you have it would be a cruel act indeed, and years ago a crime. Once upon a time the CA Penal Code listed "cruelty to idiots" as a misdemeanor.

 

[2aguy]

Asswipe......he had the full monty of background checks....asshole....and he still murdered 49 people......they did every single thing you morons want done and he still passed your background check......3 background checks in fact.....and they didn't put him on the no fly list even with that.....but Mrs. Smith...who takes a photo on the airplane will get put on the no fly list because the Air Marshals have to meet a monthly quota of names on that list...

you guys are fucking morons....

The background checks as they stand today are no good, obviously. That flies right over the pin on the top of your head, I understand.

Why?

Why are they no good? Have you ever filled one out? Do you think anyone is going to answer "Yes" to these questions? And that these questions asked can be confirmed in just three fucking days when it takes six weeks to get a tax refund?

Hey twit......here in Chicago you have to get a background check, submit fingerprints and undergo 16 hours of training before you can get a concealed carry permit..........

Do you think the guys racking up the body count in Chicago are going through any of that before they kill the rival gang members?

You guys are so fucking stupid.....

And yet guns are seemingly ubiquitous in Chicago. How do you explain that?

Because criminals don't obey the law moron......I know that concept is hard for you left wing nuts to understand, but when you add crappy laws on top of crappy laws, targeted at law abiding people, the crime rate doesn't go down because criminals ignore the law.......

 

[Wry Catcher]

The background checks as they stand today are no good, obviously. That flies right over the pin on the top of your head, I understand.

Why?

Why are they no good? Have you ever filled one out? Do you think anyone is going to answer "Yes" to these questions? And that these questions asked can be confirmed in just three fucking days when it takes six weeks to get a tax refund?

Hey twit......here in Chicago you have to get a background check, submit fingerprints and undergo 16 hours of training before you can get a concealed carry permit..........

Do you think the guys racking up the body count in Chicago are going through any of that before they kill the rival gang members?

You guys are so fucking stupid.....

And yet guns are seemingly ubiquitous in Chicago. How do you explain that?

Because criminals don't obey the law moron......I know that concept is hard for you left wing nuts to understand, but when you add crappy laws on top of crappy laws, targeted at law abiding people, the crime rate doesn't go down because criminals ignore the law.......

Yes, criminals don't obey the law (Duh). Yet guns are ubiquitous in Chitown, and nationally. How do they acquire them? How do they acquire the ammunition?

We don't know since guns are not registered.

 

[2aguy]

Why?

Why are they no good? Have you ever filled one out? Do you think anyone is going to answer "Yes" to these questions? And that these questions asked can be confirmed in just three fucking days when it takes six weeks to get a tax refund?

Hey twit......here in Chicago you have to get a background check, submit fingerprints and undergo 16 hours of training before you can get a concealed carry permit..........

Do you think the guys racking up the body count in Chicago are going through any of that before they kill the rival gang members?

You guys are so fucking stupid.....

And yet guns are seemingly ubiquitous in Chicago. How do you explain that?

Because criminals don't obey the law moron......I know that concept is hard for you left wing nuts to understand, but when you add crappy laws on top of crappy laws, targeted at law abiding people, the crime rate doesn't go down because criminals ignore the law.......

Yes, criminals don't obey the law (Duh). Yet guns are ubiquitous in Chitown, and nationally. How do they acquire them? How do they acquire the ammunition?

We don't know since guns are not registered.

Moron...you know how...you have been shown how they do it...

They use freinds and family or they pay people with clean records to buy their guns for them...or they steal them......this gets around current federal background checks...and will get them around any new universal background check you put in place.....

Normal, law abiding people are not the problem...they are not shooting people in chicago.....convicted felons, who cannot legally buy, own or carry guns are doing the shooting and they are getting their guns illegally...and the main reason it continues to happen is that prosecutors and judges are not sentencing gun criminals to long sentences...and they are not putting straw buyers in jail........

 

[rhodescholar]

What will the new laws do about situations like this?

Kathryn Steinle family files claims against San Francisco over her death by illegal immigrant

That this situation has not received the much greater attention it should have is rock solid proof that the media is liberal/leftwing-biased to an extreme.

The Remembrance Project

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why are they no good? Have you ever filled one out? Do you think anyone is going to answer "Yes" to these questions? And that these questions asked can be confirmed in just three fucking days when it takes six weeks to get a tax refund?

Hey twit......here in Chicago you have to get a background check, submit fingerprints and undergo 16 hours of training before you can get a concealed carry permit..........

Do you think the guys racking up the body count in Chicago are going through any of that before they kill the rival gang members?

You guys are so fucking stupid.....

And yet guns are seemingly ubiquitous in Chicago. How do you explain that?

Because criminals don't obey the law moron......I know that concept is hard for you left wing nuts to understand, but when you add crappy laws on top of crappy laws, targeted at law abiding people, the crime rate doesn't go down because criminals ignore the law.......

Yes, criminals don't obey the law (Duh). Yet guns are ubiquitous in Chitown, and nationally. How do they acquire them? How do they acquire the ammunition?

We don't know since guns are not registered.

Moron...you know how...you have been shown how they do it...

They use freinds and family or they pay people with clean records to buy their guns for them...or they steal them......this gets around current federal background checks...and will get them around any new universal background check you put in place.....

Normal, law abiding people are not the problem...they are not shooting people in chicago.....convicted felons, who cannot legally buy, own or carry guns are doing the shooting and they are getting their guns illegally...and the main reason it continues to happen is that prosecutors and judges are not sentencing gun criminals to long sentences...and they are not putting straw buyers in jail........

Yawn

 

[rhodescholar]

Yes, criminals don't obey the law (Duh). Yet guns are ubiquitous in Chitown, and nationally. How do they acquire them? How do they acquire the ammunition?

So then what is the purpose of the new laws? What exactly do you and the other liberals expect them to accomplish, besides making clueless non-gun savvy upper west side/berkeley liberals feel good about themselves, since we are both in agreement that they will not stop criminals from either obtaining or using them?

 

[2aguy]

Yes, criminals don't obey the law (Duh). Yet guns are ubiquitous in Chitown, and nationally. How do they acquire them? How do they acquire the ammunition?

So then what is the purpose of the new laws? What exactly do you and the other liberals expecting them to accomplish, besides making clueless non-gun savvy upper west side/berkeley liberals feel good about themselves, since we are both in agreement that they will not stop criminals from either obtaining or using them?

He knows......they want to punish normal people who want to own a gun. They have committed a mortal sin, and must be punished.

 

[Wry Catcher]

IF:

• A license were required to own, possess or have in one's custody and control a gun
• Every gun registered to a licensed owner
• Every gun insured
• The license could be suspended for cause*, guns surrendered and later returned upon expiration of suspension
• A suspended license could be revoked for cause**, and guns destroyed or sold to licensed gun dealer
• License valid in the state of issue only, unless interstate process established for hunters, LE and interstate commerce
• Each State to have the right to license, register, suspend and revoke, or not impose any or all of these restrictions

* A license suspended for cause (cause may be: civilly detained as a danger to oneself or others, an arrest and or a conviction for a crime specified in the state's penal code, i,e battery, domestic violence, criminal threats, child or animal abuse, on probation or parole with a no weapons term or condition, a second or subsequent conviction for DUI; said suspension sustained by a court of original jurisdiction with the right of appeal.

The initial application for a license to be determined by each state as to the eligibility of the applicant in a background check in a state based data base.

** A license revoked for life for a violent felony, i.e. Homicide in the first or second degree, rape, armed robbery, mayhem, kidnapping, illegal entry into the US. A license revoked will be recorded on the FBI Record of Arrests and available to each state doing a background check.

Any licensed person who sold, loaned are allowed an unlicensed person to obtain a gun would have his or her licensed suspended for not less than one year, if said gun was used to commit a crime at least 5 years, a not more than $5,000 fine; if used to cause death or great bodily harm a felony, and if the facts warrant,an arrest for accessory or conspiracy, a revocation of said license and in jeopardy of a jail or prison sentence.

 

[rhodescholar]

IF:

• A license were required to own, possess or have in one's custody and control a gun
• Every gun registered to a licensed owner
• Every gun insured
• The license could be suspended for cause*, guns surrendered and later returned upon expiration of suspension
• A suspended license could be revoked for cause**, and guns destroyed or sold to licensed gun dealer
• License valid in the state of issue only, unless interstate process established for hunters, LE and interstate commerce
• Each State to have the right to license, register, suspend and revoke, or not impose any or all of these restrictions

* A license suspended for cause (cause may be: civilly detained as a danger to oneself or others, an arrest and or a conviction for a crime specified in the state's penal code, i,e battery, domestic violence, criminal threats, child or animal abuse, on probation or parole with a no weapons term or condition, a second or subsequent conviction for DUI; said suspension sustained by a court of original jurisdiction with the right of appeal.

The initial application for a license to be determined by each state as to the eligibility of the applicant in a background check in a state based data base.

** A license revoked for life for a violent felony, i.e. Homicide in the first or second degree, rape, armed robbery, mayhem, kidnapping, illegal entry into the US. A license revoked will be recorded on the FBI Record of Arrests and available to each state doing a background check.

Any licensed person who sold, loaned are allowed an unlicensed person to obtain a bun would have his or her licensed suspended for not less than one year, if said gun was used to commit a crime at least 5 years, a not more than $5,000, and if used to cause death or great bodily harm a felony, and if the facts warrant,an arrest for accessory ir conspiracy, a revocation of said license and in jeopardy of a jail or prison sentence.

Putting aside that a lot of the ideas you write are not acceptable, how will passing such laws stop criminals from using guns?

 

[2aguy]

IF:

• A license were required to own, possess or have in one's custody and control a gun
• Every gun registered to a licensed owner
• Every gun insured
• The license could be suspended for cause*, guns surrendered and later returned upon expiration of suspension
• A suspended license could be revoked for cause**, and guns destroyed or sold to licensed gun dealer
• License valid in the state of issue only, unless interstate process established for hunters, LE and interstate commerce
• Each State to have the right to license, register, suspend and revoke, or not impose any or all of these restrictions

* A license suspended for cause (cause may be: civilly detained as a danger to oneself or others, an arrest and or a conviction for a crime specified in the state's penal code, i,e battery, domestic violence, criminal threats, child or animal abuse, on probation or parole with a no weapons term or condition, a second or subsequent conviction for DUI; said suspension sustained by a court of original jurisdiction with the right of appeal.

The initial application for a license to be determined by each state as to the eligibility of the applicant in a background check in a state based data base.

** A license revoked for life for a violent felony, i.e. Homicide in the first or second degree, rape, armed robbery, mayhem, kidnapping, illegal entry into the US. A license revoked will be recorded on the FBI Record of Arrests and available to each state doing a background check.

Any licensed person who sold, loaned are allowed an unlicensed person to obtain a bun would have his or her licensed suspended for not less than one year, if said gun was used to commit a crime at least 5 years, a not more than $5,000, and if used to cause death or great bodily harm a felony, and if the facts warrant,an arrest for accessory ir conspiracy, a revocation of said license and in jeopardy of a jail or prison sentence.

Yes...every single one of those aimed right at normal gun owners...increasing fees, and penalties for crimes they don't actually commit...

what does a license do except cost money?

You have been shown over and over that licensing gun owners will not do anything to criminals......felons cannot buy, own or carry guns already...so why license gun owners.....or register guns when felons are not legally required to register illegal guns...since it would violatet their right against self incrimination?

Because a normal, law abiding gun owner does not commit a crime with their guns......so they are out of reach of the anti gunners for punishment...so the anti gunners have to create a way to put normal gun owners in legal jeapordy......and licensing gives that to them........

Once the gun owner is licensed..if they fail to renew...bam...jail, fine and confiscation of guns...which would not be possible except for arbitrary and unecessary paperwork of the license itself...since again, felons cannot get a license already....they can't buy, own or carry guns....

Insurance.....another fee on owning a gun.....a Constitutional Right...

See...Wry Catcher was the guy...the democrat sheriff in the south who stood in the polling place when blacks went to vote....he would be the one telling them they had to pay a fee...a Poll Tax to vote....to make sure they were good citizens....and then he would tell them they had to pass a Literacy Test to vote...to make sure they were good citizens...

The assholes stay the same, the tactics stay the same.....just a different year......


And registering a gun to a gun owner....first, they need this so down the road they can confiscate guns...this is how Germany, Britain and Australia did it and the anti gunners here know this....

Second.....actual felons do not have to register illegal guns that they own...because of the Haynes v. United States Supreme Court case...so again, this only effects normal, law abiding gun owners who do not use their guns for crime....

If you ask law enforcment....registering guns does not help them solve crimes and it doesn't prevent crimes...in fact...the process of registering guns, as seen in Canada....eats up money, manpower and time...that could better be used to actually catch gun criminals.......

 

[2aguy]

IF:

• A license were required to own, possess or have in one's custody and control a gun
• Every gun registered to a licensed owner
• Every gun insured
• The license could be suspended for cause*, guns surrendered and later returned upon expiration of suspension
• A suspended license could be revoked for cause**, and guns destroyed or sold to licensed gun dealer
• License valid in the state of issue only, unless interstate process established for hunters, LE and interstate commerce
• Each State to have the right to license, register, suspend and revoke, or not impose any or all of these restrictions

* A license suspended for cause (cause may be: civilly detained as a danger to oneself or others, an arrest and or a conviction for a crime specified in the state's penal code, i,e battery, domestic violence, criminal threats, child or animal abuse, on probation or parole with a no weapons term or condition, a second or subsequent conviction for DUI; said suspension sustained by a court of original jurisdiction with the right of appeal.

The initial application for a license to be determined by each state as to the eligibility of the applicant in a background check in a state based data base.

** A license revoked for life for a violent felony, i.e. Homicide in the first or second degree, rape, armed robbery, mayhem, kidnapping, illegal entry into the US. A license revoked will be recorded on the FBI Record of Arrests and available to each state doing a background check.

Any licensed person who sold, loaned are allowed an unlicensed person to obtain a bun would have his or her licensed suspended for not less than one year, if said gun was used to commit a crime at least 5 years, a not more than $5,000, and if used to cause death or great bodily harm a felony, and if the facts warrant,an arrest for accessory ir conspiracy, a revocation of said license and in jeopardy of a jail or prison sentence.

Putting aside that a lot of the ideas you write are not acceptable, how will passing such laws stop criminals from using guns?

They don't.

That isn't even remotely the point. Licensing gun owners, and making them register their guns puts gun owners in legal jeopardy...should they fail to register due to forgetfullness, or a mistake or clerical error.....Wry Catcher owns them......and he can ruin their lives for owning guns...take their money, put them in jail, and keep them from getting jobs.......all because they didn't follow arbitrary and punitive paperwork actual felons don't even have to obey....

They need to license gun owners so they can get at them.....since gun owners don't commit actual crimes, there is no way to touch them....until they screw up the licensing process...

and guns destroyed or sold to licensed gun dealer

 

[Wry Catcher]

Yes, criminals don't obey the law (Duh). Yet guns are ubiquitous in Chitown, and nationally. How do they acquire them? How do they acquire the ammunition?

So then what is the purpose of the new laws? What exactly do you and the other liberals expecting them to accomplish, besides making clueless non-gun savvy upper west side/berkeley liberals feel good about themselves, since we are both in agreement that they will not stop criminals from either obtaining or using them?

He knows......they want to punish normal people who want to own a gun. They have committed a mortal sin, and must be punished.

You are a LIAR. Normal people still commit crimes. It's why we have laws and are a nation of laws. We require a surgeon to be licensed, is that punishing him or her?

 

[2aguy]

Yes, criminals don't obey the law (Duh). Yet guns are ubiquitous in Chitown, and nationally. How do they acquire them? How do they acquire the ammunition?

So then what is the purpose of the new laws? What exactly do you and the other liberals expecting them to accomplish, besides making clueless non-gun savvy upper west side/berkeley liberals feel good about themselves, since we are both in agreement that they will not stop criminals from either obtaining or using them?

He knows......they want to punish normal people who want to own a gun. They have committed a mortal sin, and must be punished.

You are a LIAR. Normal people still commit crimes. It's why we have laws and are a nation of laws. We require a surgeon to be licensed, is that punishing him or her?

Wrong.....of the 8,124 gun murders in the United States in 2014.......out of 357,000,000 privately owned guns....

90% of the shooters were convicted felons..with multiple felony convictions and long histories of crime and violence...that means that they already were banned from buying, owning or carrying guns....the rest...like the Abortion shooter....who raped a woman but the woman refused to testify...also had long histories of violence and failed to get caught for their crimes...

So for less than 10% of gun criminals who might be normal people who break the law....you will punish the owners of 357,000,000 privately owned guns.........

And that seems rational to you...considering we already have laws that say if you commit a crime with a gun, you can be arrested...if you are a felon caught with a gun, you can be arrested....

And you don't have to register guns, license gun owners or do background checks when you loan your gun to your brother to do this.....we can already do it under existing law....

But you want normal gun owners punished.....that is what you want...

 

[Rustic]

IF:

• A license were required to own, possess or have in one's custody and control a gun
• Every gun registered to a licensed owner
• Every gun insured
• The license could be suspended for cause*, guns surrendered and later returned upon expiration of suspension
• A suspended license could be revoked for cause**, and guns destroyed or sold to licensed gun dealer
• License valid in the state of issue only, unless interstate process established for hunters, LE and interstate commerce
• Each State to have the right to license, register, suspend and revoke, or not impose any or all of these restrictions

* A license suspended for cause (cause may be: civilly detained as a danger to oneself or others, an arrest and or a conviction for a crime specified in the state's penal code, i,e battery, domestic violence, criminal threats, child or animal abuse, on probation or parole with a no weapons term or condition, a second or subsequent conviction for DUI; said suspension sustained by a court of original jurisdiction with the right of appeal.

The initial application for a license to be determined by each state as to the eligibility of the applicant in a background check in a state based data base.

** A license revoked for life for a violent felony, i.e. Homicide in the first or second degree, rape, armed robbery, mayhem, kidnapping, illegal entry into the US. A license revoked will be recorded on the FBI Record of Arrests and available to each state doing a background check.

Any licensed person who sold, loaned are allowed an unlicensed person to obtain a gun would have his or her licensed suspended for not less than one year, if said gun was used to commit a crime at least 5 years, a not more than $5,000 fine; if used to cause death or great bodily harm a felony, and if the facts warrant,an arrest for accessory or conspiracy, a revocation of said license and in jeopardy of a jail or prison sentence.

License, no-go
Registration, fuck no
Any mandated insurance is legalized extortion, asshole
Fuck your candy ass ideas, they make no sense you fucking moron. LOL

 

[2aguy]

Yes, criminals don't obey the law (Duh). Yet guns are ubiquitous in Chitown, and nationally. How do they acquire them? How do they acquire the ammunition?

So then what is the purpose of the new laws? What exactly do you and the other liberals expecting them to accomplish, besides making clueless non-gun savvy upper west side/berkeley liberals feel good about themselves, since we are both in agreement that they will not stop criminals from either obtaining or using them?

He knows......they want to punish normal people who want to own a gun. They have committed a mortal sin, and must be punished.

You are a LIAR. Normal people still commit crimes. It's why we have laws and are a nation of laws. We require a surgeon to be licensed, is that punishing him or her?

A surgeon is not covered by the Bill of Rights.....and you can already punish a gun owner if they break the law with their gun.......registering a gun, and licensing a gun owner...creates legal jeopardy where there was none before.......simply over paperwork...since the gun will not have been used by the owner to commit a crime...but if he forgets to renew his license...whamo....you've got him...he is now a felon.......

 

[Rustic]

Yes, criminals don't obey the law (Duh). Yet guns are ubiquitous in Chitown, and nationally. How do they acquire them? How do they acquire the ammunition?

So then what is the purpose of the new laws? What exactly do you and the other liberals expecting them to accomplish, besides making clueless non-gun savvy upper west side/berkeley liberals feel good about themselves, since we are both in agreement that they will not stop criminals from either obtaining or using them?

He knows......they want to punish normal people who want to own a gun. They have committed a mortal sin, and must be punished.

You are a LIAR. Normal people still commit crimes. It's why we have laws and are a nation of laws. We require a surgeon to be licensed, is that punishing him or her?

No one has the "right" to perform surgery you fucking moron...

 

[2aguy]

IF:

• A license were required to own, possess or have in one's custody and control a gun
• Every gun registered to a licensed owner
• Every gun insured
• The license could be suspended for cause*, guns surrendered and later returned upon expiration of suspension
• A suspended license could be revoked for cause**, and guns destroyed or sold to licensed gun dealer
• License valid in the state of issue only, unless interstate process established for hunters, LE and interstate commerce
• Each State to have the right to license, register, suspend and revoke, or not impose any or all of these restrictions

* A license suspended for cause (cause may be: civilly detained as a danger to oneself or others, an arrest and or a conviction for a crime specified in the state's penal code, i,e battery, domestic violence, criminal threats, child or animal abuse, on probation or parole with a no weapons term or condition, a second or subsequent conviction for DUI; said suspension sustained by a court of original jurisdiction with the right of appeal.

The initial application for a license to be determined by each state as to the eligibility of the applicant in a background check in a state based data base.

** A license revoked for life for a violent felony, i.e. Homicide in the first or second degree, rape, armed robbery, mayhem, kidnapping, illegal entry into the US. A license revoked will be recorded on the FBI Record of Arrests and available to each state doing a background check.

Any licensed person who sold, loaned are allowed an unlicensed person to obtain a bun would have his or her licensed suspended for not less than one year, if said gun was used to commit a crime at least 5 years, a not more than $5,000, and if used to cause death or great bodily harm a felony, and if the facts warrant,an arrest for accessory ir conspiracy, a revocation of said license and in jeopardy of a jail or prison sentence.

Putting aside that a lot of the ideas you write are not acceptable, how will passing such laws stop criminals from using guns?

this is what Wry Catcher is trying to lie about....he wants to use paperwork to attack gun owners who have not used their guns to commit crimes.....

Glenn Reynolds: How gun laws put the innocent on trial

Cottrol noted that crimes like carrying or owning a pistol without a license are what the law has traditionally termed malum prohibitum — that is, things that are wrong only because they are prohibited. (The contrast is with the other traditional category, malum in se, those things, like rape, robbery, and murder, that are wrong in themselves.)

Traditionally, penalties for malum prohibitum acts were generally light, since the conduct that the laws governed wasn’t wrong in itself. But modern American law often treats even obscure and technical violations of gun laws as felonies and —Cottrol noted — prosecutors often go out of their way to prosecute these crimes more vigorously even than traditional crimes like rape or murder.


If it were up to me, I’d find it a violation of the due process clause to treat violation of regulatory statutes as a felony. Historically, only the most serious crimes — typically carrying the death penalty — were felonies. Nowadays, though, we designate all sorts of trivial crimes, such as possessing an eagle feather, as felonies. This has the effect of empowering police and prosecutors at the expense of citizens, since it’s easy to find a felony if you look hard enough, and few citizens have the courage of a veteran like Cort, who went to trial anyway. Most will plead to something.

Meanwhile, on the gun front, I think we need federal civil rights legislation to protect citizens who make innocent mistakes. Federal law already defines who is allowed to possess firearms.

Under Congress’s civil rights powers (gun ownership and carrying, after all, are protected under the Second Amendment),

I think we need federal legislation limiting the maximum penalty a state can assess for possessing or carrying a firearm on the part of someone allowed to own a gun under federal law to a $500 fine.

That would let states regulate reasonably, without permitting this sort of injustice.

 

[Wry Catcher]

IF:

• A license were required to own, possess or have in one's custody and control a gun
• Every gun registered to a licensed owner
• Every gun insured
• The license could be suspended for cause*, guns surrendered and later returned upon expiration of suspension
• A suspended license could be revoked for cause**, and guns destroyed or sold to licensed gun dealer
• License valid in the state of issue only, unless interstate process established for hunters, LE and interstate commerce
• Each State to have the right to license, register, suspend and revoke, or not impose any or all of these restrictions

* A license suspended for cause (cause may be: civilly detained as a danger to oneself or others, an arrest and or a conviction for a crime specified in the state's penal code, i,e battery, domestic violence, criminal threats, child or animal abuse, on probation or parole with a no weapons term or condition, a second or subsequent conviction for DUI; said suspension sustained by a court of original jurisdiction with the right of appeal.

The initial application for a license to be determined by each state as to the eligibility of the applicant in a background check in a state based data base.

** A license revoked for life for a violent felony, i.e. Homicide in the first or second degree, rape, armed robbery, mayhem, kidnapping, illegal entry into the US. A license revoked will be recorded on the FBI Record of Arrests and available to each state doing a background check.

Any licensed person who sold, loaned are allowed an unlicensed person to obtain a bun would have his or her licensed suspended for not less than one year, if said gun was used to commit a crime at least 5 years, a not more than $5,000, and if used to cause death or great bodily harm a felony, and if the facts warrant,an arrest for accessory ir conspiracy, a revocation of said license and in jeopardy of a jail or prison sentence.

Putting aside that a lot of the ideas you write are not acceptable, how will passing such laws stop criminals from using guns?

They don't.

That isn't even remotely the point. Licensing gun owners puts gun owners in legal jeapordy...should they fail to register due to forgetfullness, or a mistake or clerical error.....Wry Catcher owns them......

They need to license gun owners so they can get at them.....since gun owners don't commit actual crimes, there is no way to touch them....until they screw up the licensing process...

and guns destroyed or sold to licensed gun dealer

You give no credit to the intelligence or responsibility of gun owners.

Another Duh moment posted by 2aguy: Hey everyone, criminals commit crimes! (2aguy said so)

1. A license is required worldwide to drive a car, which can be a deadly device; guns are a deadly device.
2. Driving without a license is an infraction, and not recorded on a record of arrest.
3. Crimes are punished, only someone who commits a crime will lose their privilege to be licensed
4. Due process protects those who want to own, possess or have a gun in their custody and control
5. The bullet points above will not prevent gun violence, it may reduce the proliferation of guns in the hands of those who should not have one
6. If some states employ the bullet points, and some do not, we will answer the question if gun controls work.
7. We know the NRA, Congressional Republicans and 2aguy(s) don't want studies on guns and violence in America
8. There is little hope any bullet points will be employed, at least until we get the money out of our political process.