A Former Classmate Of Barack Obama Speaks Out

[The T]

This is the kind of answer you get from someone who has no idea what Cloward-Piven is, so they pop out the stock answer "Bush Did It" without regard as to how silly it is.

From the American Thinker on the Cloward-Piven Strategy:

Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis

[Snip]



The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis

In an earlier post, I noted the liberal record of unmitigated legislative disasters, the latest of which is now being played out in the financial markets before our eyes. Before the 1994 Republican takeover, Democrats had sixty years of virtually unbroken power in Congress - with substantial majorities most of the time. Can a group of smart people, studying issue after issue for years on end, with virtually unlimited resources at their command, not come up with a single policy that works? Why are they chronically incapable?


Why?


One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.


I submit to you they understand the consequences. For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent - the failure is deliberate. Don't laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.


The Strategy was first elucidated in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation magazine by a pair of radical socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. David Horowitz summarizes it as:

The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
​

[/SNIP]

Overwhelming the system to facilitate the takeover of it.

Top down-Bottom up.

Damn fine post. Damn fine reply.

Well worth getting more up-to-speed on.

Am I wrong to believe that there is a pretty solid, relatively easy-to-handle response to the Cloward-Piven plot?

Here is a little more reading to get up to 'speed'...(An op-ed), but makes you reflect one what's been happening...

As to a response? Easy. Inform others. Help to make them aware of the manipulation, get people involved. Vote those responsible or those perpetuating the scam out of office. Take back thier liberty.

In any case? Here is the Op-Ed:

CHANDLER: The Cloward-Piven strategy <Washingtom Times

In an example? New Yorkers that were alive at the time will remember this scenario...(I was very young but do rememkber the 'bail out' talked about in the news, albiet I didn't understand it nor could care less at the time):

A 1969 “Housing and Property” seminar, hosted by the Institute for Policy Studies, for example, treated Capitol Hill denizens to mind-stretching leftism. Bringing together speakers from big-city tenants councils, neighborhood legal services, FHA insurance, savings-and-loans entities, and the Shannon and Luchs Realty Company, the Institute for Policy Studies “plinked” the first domino that led to the current crisis.

At about the same time that the Institute for Policy Studies was holding the 1969 “Housing and Property” seminars, it was also conducting “Experimental Education” seminars in January-April 1969, for federal legislators and their aides that included Bill Ayers, an Obama confidant and Weatherman terrorist, as a guest speaker. According to the Senate Subcommittee on Investigation, 4,330 bombings occurred in the United States, about nine a day, from January 1969 to April 1970.

The socialist test case for using society’s poor and disadvantaged people as sacrificial “shock troops,” in accordance with the Cloward-Piven strategy, was demonstrated in 1975, when new prospective welfare recipients flooded New York City with payment demands, bankrupting the government. As a consequence, New York state also teetered on the edge of financial collapse when the federal government stepped in with a bailout rescue.

There are more perspectives in the Op-Ed as it relates to Obama and the current housing crisis we find ourselves in and where it stemmed with Government intrusion into the banking system, and toxic mortages.

I think you'll find it interesting based upon what we know at this point.

 

[Liability]

Allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll riiiight. I dono why I did it but I took a look at the 6 evil ways Obama was going to destroy America and oddly my point was proven correct.


1) Obama - Universal health care Bush = Medicare part D

So you agree that we should rescind that shit? How about the incumbent? Is he supportive of rescinding it?

2) Cap and trade - Is this law? NOPE!

But it IS a douche bag wish list thing for the President, is it not?

3) Make Puerto Rico a state - Is this law? NOPE!

What is the incumbent's "position" on it?

4) Obama wats to Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants, So did Bush, in fact he coined "there are jobs Americans won't do" while pushing Amnesty

Feel obliged to link and support your claim. But you are evading and dodging anyway. President Bush did not want to legalize illegals EXCEPT via the proper channels. And prove also that PResident Bush wanted to legalize illegals through "Amnesty." Here's a quote from President Bush in 2004:

"I oppose amnesty -- placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship," he said. "Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws and perpetuates illegal immigration. America's a welcoming country. But citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America."

Bush calls for changes on illegal workers - CNN

Your turn, hotshot. Back up your shit.

5) Obama did Stimulus and bailouts - Bush did 2x Stimulus and started the Bailouts (TARP).

Why is your mindless mantra always that President bush did something, too? Even if your claims were accurate (and they often aren't) that wouldn't excuse what President Obama is doing nor would it undercut the contention that he is subversively trying to do the Cloward/Piven thing.

6) Raise taxes on small business owners - Obama nor Bush raised any taxes, there are projected taxes to be raised to pay for the massive spending they both did but never paid for.

That's an outright lie. OF COURSE President Obama raised taxes (massively) via his signature ObamaCare bill. It was first, last and primarily a tax bill. Who the fuck do you think you're kidding?

Lets ReCap for all the tin foil hate sheeple out there. Out of 6 horrible things that Obama is DOING!!!!

(4) Are not law...

(1) Bush pushed for like a motherfucker (Amnesty)

(2) Bush did or had a hand in himself...

Should we go back in time and look at all the crazy asss shit Presidents "wanted to do" and hold that against them? The point of me talking about Bush was to show that where we are today through actual destructive policy was done by both parties. Hell, even Mitt supported Obama on Obamacare and the stimulus/Bailouts and I HIGHLY doubt Mitt wants to deprot all illegals.

Let's do an honest recap: you are an unpersuasive dishonest apologist and Obama propagandist and a complete fail.

 

[Avorysuds]

Here, because the partisanship is mindblowing in this useless thread I'll try and stick it more up to date.

At the end (couldn't find shorter one) Mitt supports Romneycare (Obamacare) on a Natinal level. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyp2QIGejq4]Mitt Romney Flip Flops | Mitt Romney abortion | Mitt Romney global warming | Mitt Romney Obamacare - YouTube[/ame]

Mitt supports the Bush/McCain Amnesty [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU72izvZVRA&feature=related]Romney stammers when asked his views on immigration - YouTube[/ame]

Mitt supports TARP, Bailouts [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QDxcrcpY98]Romney - Believe in Bailouts - YouTube[/ame]

Mitt supports Obama Stimulus [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fThdWagJ4]PROOF: Mitt Romney Is As Liberal As OBAMA!!! - YouTube[/ame] 3 min 22 seconds in.

Now you super hard core American loving "conservatives," Get out there and vote for the downfall of America by voting for Mitt!!!!!

 

[imbalance]

LBJ applied a similar strategy in the 60s in order to drive the US off the gold standard and restructure the Bretton Woods system. The table was set for LBJ by Hoover during the Great Depression.

Historical man-made economic events are always made by men for reasons the mass public isn't privy to.

 

[Avorysuds]

Allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll riiiight. I dono why I did it but I took a look at the 6 evil ways Obama was going to destroy America and oddly my point was proven correct.


1) Obama - Universal health care Bush = Medicare part D

So you agree that we should rescind that shit? How about the incumbent? Is he supportive of rescinding it?

2) Cap and trade - Is this law? NOPE!

But it IS a douche bag wish list thing for the President, is it not?



What is the incumbent's "position" on it?



Feel obliged to link and support your claim. But you are evading and dodging anyway. President Bush did not want to legalize illegals EXCEPT via the proper channels. And prove also that PResident Bush wanted to legalize illegals through "Amnesty." Here's a quote from President Bush in 2004: Bush calls for changes on illegal workers - CNN

Your turn, hotshot. Back up your shit.




Why is your mindless mantra always that President bush did something, too? Even if your claims were accurate (and they often aren't) that wouldn't excuse what President Obama is doing nor would it undercut the contention that he is subversively trying to do the Cloward/Piven thing.

6) Raise taxes on small business owners - Obama nor Bush raised any taxes, there are projected taxes to be raised to pay for the massive spending they both did but never paid for.

That's an outright lie. OF COURSE President Obama raised taxes (massively) via his signature ObamaCare bill. It was first, last and primarily a tax bill. Who the fuck do you think you're kidding?

Lets ReCap for all the tin foil hate sheeple out there. Out of 6 horrible things that Obama is DOING!!!!

(4) Are not law...

(1) Bush pushed for like a motherfucker (Amnesty)

(2) Bush did or had a hand in himself...

Should we go back in time and look at all the crazy asss shit Presidents "wanted to do" and hold that against them? The point of me talking about Bush was to show that where we are today through actual destructive policy was done by both parties. Hell, even Mitt supported Obama on Obamacare and the stimulus/Bailouts and I HIGHLY doubt Mitt wants to deprot all illegals.

Let's do an honest recap: you are an unpersuasive dishonest apologist and Obama propagandist and a complete fail.

And you are what a partisan fool looks like. You defended Bush because he is an R nothing more and you did so quite poorly.

Can you show us all where Obama wants to do 100% Amnesty????? OOOoooooOOOooh I didn't think so. It's always Amnesty with a twist, just like when Bush wanted to do it.

Then you hold things agaisnt Obama that NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED.

I'm not an Obama supporter, but I'm not a mindless partisan retard.

 

[Liability]

Here, because the partisanship is mindblowing in this useless thread I'll try and stick it more up to date.

At the end (couldn't find shorter one) Mitt supports Romneycare (Obamacare) on a Natinal level. Mitt Romney Flip Flops | Mitt Romney abortion | Mitt Romney global warming | Mitt Romney Obamacare - YouTube

Mitt supports the Bush/McCain Amnesty Romney stammers when asked his views on immigration - YouTube

Mitt supports TARP, Bailouts Romney - Believe in Bailouts - YouTube

Mitt supports Obama Stimulus PROOF: Mitt Romney Is As Liberal As OBAMA!!! - YouTube 3 min 22 seconds in.

Now you super hard core American loving "conservatives," Get out there and vote for the downfall of America by voting for Mitt!!!!!

Mitt, for all of his obvious warts and faults, is at least subject to the moderating influence of conservatives whom HE (unlike The ONE) does not view as "enemies."

So, does it make more sense to vote for a guy who will need to work with the GOP and the conservatives and might even be inclined to do so? OR, as per your fanciful thinking, does it make ANY sense to vote for the liberal Democrat who very much opposes the very folks who might put a stop to the kind of Cloward/Piven shit we also oppose?

Yeah.

That's right. It makes NOT ONE TINY BIT OF SENSE to vote to re-elect President Obama UNLESS you support the type of shit he favors.

So, you and your fellow asshats will vote to re-elect President Obama. I'll vote to oust that schmuck.

 

[mudwhistle]

Hmmm... did you go to school, cuz you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

This is the kind of answer you get from someone who has no idea what Cloward-Piven is, so they pop out the stock answer "Bush Did It" without regard as to how silly it is.

From the American Thinker on the Cloward-Piven Strategy:

Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis

[Snip]



The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis

In an earlier post, I noted the liberal record of unmitigated legislative disasters, the latest of which is now being played out in the financial markets before our eyes. Before the 1994 Republican takeover, Democrats had sixty years of virtually unbroken power in Congress - with substantial majorities most of the time. Can a group of smart people, studying issue after issue for years on end, with virtually unlimited resources at their command, not come up with a single policy that works? Why are they chronically incapable?


Why?


One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.


I submit to you they understand the consequences. For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent - the failure is deliberate. Don't laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.


The Strategy was first elucidated in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation magazine by a pair of radical socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. David Horowitz summarizes it as:

The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
​

[/SNIP]

Overwhelming the system to facilitate the takeover of it.

Top down-Bottom up.

Makes one feel that the economic collapse was manufactured to help get Obama or some other Democrat elected.

It is also being used by dumb-asses like Bill Cosby to help Obama stay in office.

"They wanted him to fail.....but look what he faced when he took office!!!!"


Well......if you're gonna use the possibility that you can do miracles to get elected you damned well better be able to perform miracles.

Yes We Can is now Why We Can't.

 

[Liability]

Allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll riiiight. I dono why I did it but I took a look at the 6 evil ways Obama was going to destroy America and oddly my point was proven correct.


1) Obama - Universal health care Bush = Medicare part D

So you agree that we should rescind that shit? How about the incumbent? Is he supportive of rescinding it?



But it IS a douche bag wish list thing for the President, is it not?



What is the incumbent's "position" on it?



Feel obliged to link and support your claim. But you are evading and dodging anyway. President Bush did not want to legalize illegals EXCEPT via the proper channels. And prove also that PResident Bush wanted to legalize illegals through "Amnesty." Here's a quote from President Bush in 2004: Bush calls for changes on illegal workers - CNN

Your turn, hotshot. Back up your shit.




Why is your mindless mantra always that President bush did something, too? Even if your claims were accurate (and they often aren't) that wouldn't excuse what President Obama is doing nor would it undercut the contention that he is subversively trying to do the Cloward/Piven thing.



That's an outright lie. OF COURSE President Obama raised taxes (massively) via his signature ObamaCare bill. It was first, last and primarily a tax bill. Who the fuck do you think you're kidding?

Lets ReCap for all the tin foil hate sheeple out there. Out of 6 horrible things that Obama is DOING!!!!

(4) Are not law...

(1) Bush pushed for like a motherfucker (Amnesty)

(2) Bush did or had a hand in himself...

Should we go back in time and look at all the crazy asss shit Presidents "wanted to do" and hold that against them? The point of me talking about Bush was to show that where we are today through actual destructive policy was done by both parties. Hell, even Mitt supported Obama on Obamacare and the stimulus/Bailouts and I HIGHLY doubt Mitt wants to deprot all illegals.

Let's do an honest recap: you are an unpersuasive dishonest apologist and Obama propagandist and a complete fail.

And you are what a partisan fool looks like. You defended Bush because he is an R nothing more and you did so quite poorly.

Can you show us all where Obama wants to do 100% Amnesty????? OOOoooooOOOooh I didn't think so. It's always Amnesty with a twist, just like when Bush wanted to do it.

Then you hold things agaisnt Obama that NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED.

I'm not an Obama supporter, but I'm not a mindless partisan retard.

You are (as always) not just a partisan hack, but a willfully dishonest one.

Ho hum.

You are boring.

I supported President Bush (and I did more supporting of him and his positions than detracting) because I generally agreed that his positions made more sense in the context of what was happening.

You ARE an Obama Supporter. Your dishonest denials do not amount to diddly dick. You are that transparent. In short, you are an established liar.

Did I ever CLAIM that President Obama wants to do a 100% Amnesty? Nope. So your PATHETIC effort to craft a strawman failed from the first step. That's what happens with dishonest hacks like you.

You are a mindless partisan moron. Yep. You really are.

 

[Mac1958]

 

[freedombecki]

Yes yes... Obama is out to destroy America...

Man you people sound stupid. Might wana take off em tin foil hats.

Obfuscate much?

 

[Avorysuds]

Here, because the partisanship is mindblowing in this useless thread I'll try and stick it more up to date.

At the end (couldn't find shorter one) Mitt supports Romneycare (Obamacare) on a Natinal level. Mitt Romney Flip Flops | Mitt Romney abortion | Mitt Romney global warming | Mitt Romney Obamacare - YouTube

Mitt supports the Bush/McCain Amnesty Romney stammers when asked his views on immigration - YouTube

Mitt supports TARP, Bailouts Romney - Believe in Bailouts - YouTube

Mitt supports Obama Stimulus PROOF: Mitt Romney Is As Liberal As OBAMA!!! - YouTube 3 min 22 seconds in.

Now you super hard core American loving "conservatives," Get out there and vote for the downfall of America by voting for Mitt!!!!!

Mitt, for all of his obvious warts and faults, is at least subject to the moderating influence of conservatives whom HE (unlike The ONE) does not view as "enemies."

So, does it make more sense to vote for a guy who will need to work with the GOP and the conservatives and might even be inclined to do so? OR, as per your fanciful thinking, does it make ANY sense to vote for the liberal Democrat who very much opposes the very folks who might put a stop to the kind of Cloward/Piven shit we also oppose?

Yeah.

That's right. It makes NOT ONE TINY BIT OF SENSE to vote to re-elect President Obama UNLESS you support the type of shit he favors.

So, you and your fellow asshats will vote to re-elect President Obama. I'll vote to oust that schmuck.

I'll be doing a write in while it seems you will be voting for 1 of the 2 liberals. One that passed Obamacare and the other that passed Romneycare and to this day uses hundreds of millions of federal dollars to stay afloat.

Keep pretending that you’re any different than Obama. You sit here with so many others claiming Obama was never properly vetted as to how we ended up with a crap President then you support the closest thing to Obama that the Republicans could have possibly scrounged up.

You’re not worth debating because you’re not even honest with yourself.


lol, I love it... So I'M voting for Obama now... holy fuck you loony tin foil hate freaks think you sound intelligent.

 

[Avorysuds]

So you agree that we should rescind that shit? How about the incumbent? Is he supportive of rescinding it?



But it IS a douche bag wish list thing for the President, is it not?



What is the incumbent's "position" on it?



Feel obliged to link and support your claim. But you are evading and dodging anyway. President Bush did not want to legalize illegals EXCEPT via the proper channels. And prove also that PResident Bush wanted to legalize illegals through "Amnesty." Here's a quote from President Bush in 2004: Bush calls for changes on illegal workers - CNN

Your turn, hotshot. Back up your shit.




Why is your mindless mantra always that President bush did something, too? Even if your claims were accurate (and they often aren't) that wouldn't excuse what President Obama is doing nor would it undercut the contention that he is subversively trying to do the Cloward/Piven thing.



That's an outright lie. OF COURSE President Obama raised taxes (massively) via his signature ObamaCare bill. It was first, last and primarily a tax bill. Who the fuck do you think you're kidding?





Let's do an honest recap: you are an unpersuasive dishonest apologist and Obama propagandist and a complete fail.

And you are what a partisan fool looks like. You defended Bush because he is an R nothing more and you did so quite poorly.

Can you show us all where Obama wants to do 100% Amnesty????? OOOoooooOOOooh I didn't think so. It's always Amnesty with a twist, just like when Bush wanted to do it.

Then you hold things agaisnt Obama that NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED.

I'm not an Obama supporter, but I'm not a mindless partisan retard.

You are (as always) not just a partisan hack, but a willfully dishonest one.

Ho hum.

You are boring.

I supported President Bush (and I did more supporting of him and his positions than detracting) because I generally agreed that his positions made more sense in the context of what was happening.

You ARE an Obama Supporter. Your dishonest denials do not amount to diddly dick. You are that transparent. In short, you are an established liar.

Did I ever CLAIM that President Obama wants to do a 100% Amnesty? Nope. So your PATHETIC effort to craft a strawman failed from the first step. That's what happens with dishonest hacks like you.

You are a mindless partisan moron. Yep. You really are.

OOoooook, I.. Avorysuds the Ron Paul supporter am now a Partisan OBAMA supporter "AS ALWAYS."

Every person posting here knows you're full of shit. Good bye!

 

[Ava]

"Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama."

Posted: Jun. 6, 2010 | 12:00 a.m

Amazing how some things never change??? But who can argue the points Wayne Allyn Root, makes about the guy in office, who was never vetted. Can anyone here at USMB? ***Athena

SNIP:
"Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.Â

"Barack Obama is my college classmate (Columbia University, class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

Below is a link to the six methods Obama is pushing to accomplish his goals, in the mind of his classmate, Wayne Allyn Root, from Columbia University and it starts with Universal health care and why Obama really wants it.



Obama's agenda: Overwhelm the system - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com

For those who don't want to learn, I offer them up....

Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

-- Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."

-- Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government. [this is what O. wants but the ppl of Puerto Rico have voted against it, in the past. O. would probably push it thourgh?]

-- Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.

-- Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America. The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.

-- Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.

With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.

Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama.

Obama's agenda: Overwhelm the system - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com

 

[Liability]

Here, because the partisanship is mindblowing in this useless thread I'll try and stick it more up to date.

At the end (couldn't find shorter one) Mitt supports Romneycare (Obamacare) on a Natinal level. Mitt Romney Flip Flops | Mitt Romney abortion | Mitt Romney global warming | Mitt Romney Obamacare - YouTube

Mitt supports the Bush/McCain Amnesty Romney stammers when asked his views on immigration - YouTube

Mitt supports TARP, Bailouts Romney - Believe in Bailouts - YouTube

Mitt supports Obama Stimulus PROOF: Mitt Romney Is As Liberal As OBAMA!!! - YouTube 3 min 22 seconds in.

Now you super hard core American loving "conservatives," Get out there and vote for the downfall of America by voting for Mitt!!!!!

Mitt, for all of his obvious warts and faults, is at least subject to the moderating influence of conservatives whom HE (unlike The ONE) does not view as "enemies."

So, does it make more sense to vote for a guy who will need to work with the GOP and the conservatives and might even be inclined to do so? OR, as per your fanciful thinking, does it make ANY sense to vote for the liberal Democrat who very much opposes the very folks who might put a stop to the kind of Cloward/Piven shit we also oppose?

Yeah.

That's right. It makes NOT ONE TINY BIT OF SENSE to vote to re-elect President Obama UNLESS you support the type of shit he favors.

So, you and your fellow asshats will vote to re-elect President Obama. I'll vote to oust that schmuck.

I'll be doing a write in while it seems you will be voting for 1 of the 2 liberals. One that passed Obamacare and the other that passed Romneycare and to this day uses hundreds of millions of federal dollars to stay afloat.

Keep pretending that you&#8217;re any different than Obama. You sit here with so many others claiming Obama was never properly vetted as to how we ended up with a crap President then you support the closest thing to Obama that the Republicans could have possibly scrounged up.

You&#8217;re not worth debating because you&#8217;re not even honest with yourself.


lol, I love it... So I'M voting for Obama now... holy fuck you loony tin foil hate freaks think you sound intelligent.

You remain a transparent liar.

First off, you will be voting for the re-election of President Obama.

But there's no way I'd waste a vote in THIS election by voting for a 3P. That would WASTE an opportunity to cast a vote AGAINST the re-election of President Obama.

Damn. YOU are vying with rderp and FakeyJakey for last place in the credibility race here at USMB.

 

[The T]

This is the kind of answer you get from someone who has no idea what Cloward-Piven is, so they pop out the stock answer "Bush Did It" without regard as to how silly it is.

From the American Thinker on the Cloward-Piven Strategy:

Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis

[Snip]



The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis

In an earlier post, I noted the liberal record of unmitigated legislative disasters, the latest of which is now being played out in the financial markets before our eyes. Before the 1994 Republican takeover, Democrats had sixty years of virtually unbroken power in Congress - with substantial majorities most of the time. Can a group of smart people, studying issue after issue for years on end, with virtually unlimited resources at their command, not come up with a single policy that works? Why are they chronically incapable?


Why?


One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.


I submit to you they understand the consequences. For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent - the failure is deliberate. Don't laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.


The Strategy was first elucidated in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation magazine by a pair of radical socialist Columbia University professors, Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. David Horowitz summarizes it as:

The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.
​

[/SNIP]

Overwhelming the system to facilitate the takeover of it.

Top down-Bottom up.

Makes one feel that the economic collapse was manufactured to help get Obama or some other Democrat elected.

It is also being used by dumb-asses like Bill Cosby to help Obama stay in office.

"They wanted him to fail.....but look what he faced when he took office!!!!"


Well......if you're gonna use the possibility that you can do miracles to get elected you damned well better be able to perform miracles.

Yes We Can is now Why We Can't.

And it was going on LONG before Obama was ever known...he just happens to be a subscriber to it...and ran on it.

 

[The T]

"Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama."

Posted: Jun. 6, 2010 | 12:00 a.m

Amazing how some things never change??? But who can argue the points Wayne Allyn Root, makes about the guy in office, who was never vetted. Can anyone here at USMB? ***Athena

SNIP:
"Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.Â

"Barack Obama is my college classmate (Columbia University, class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

Below is a link to the six methods Obama is pushing to accomplish his goals, in the mind of his classmate, Wayne Allyn Root, from Columbia University and it starts with Universal health care and why Obama really wants it.



Obama's agenda: Overwhelm the system - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com

For those who don't want to learn, I offer them up....

Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

-- Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."

-- Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government. [this is what O. wants but the ppl of Puerto Rico have voted against it, in the past. O. would probably push it thourgh?]

-- Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.

-- Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America. The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.

-- Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.

With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.

Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama.

Obama's agenda: Overwhelm the system - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com

I've got it in my archives thanks to you.

Good find.

 

[Avorysuds]

Mitt, for all of his obvious warts and faults, is at least subject to the moderating influence of conservatives whom HE (unlike The ONE) does not view as "enemies."

So, does it make more sense to vote for a guy who will need to work with the GOP and the conservatives and might even be inclined to do so? OR, as per your fanciful thinking, does it make ANY sense to vote for the liberal Democrat who very much opposes the very folks who might put a stop to the kind of Cloward/Piven shit we also oppose?

Yeah.

That's right. It makes NOT ONE TINY BIT OF SENSE to vote to re-elect President Obama UNLESS you support the type of shit he favors.

So, you and your fellow asshats will vote to re-elect President Obama. I'll vote to oust that schmuck.

I'll be doing a write in while it seems you will be voting for 1 of the 2 liberals. One that passed Obamacare and the other that passed Romneycare and to this day uses hundreds of millions of federal dollars to stay afloat.

Keep pretending that you’re any different than Obama. You sit here with so many others claiming Obama was never properly vetted as to how we ended up with a crap President then you support the closest thing to Obama that the Republicans could have possibly scrounged up.

You’re not worth debating because you’re not even honest with yourself.


lol, I love it... So I'M voting for Obama now... holy fuck you loony tin foil hate freaks think you sound intelligent.

You remain a transparent liar.

First off, you will be voting for the re-election of President Obama.

But there's no way I'd waste a vote in THIS election by voting for a 3P. That would WASTE an opportunity to cast a vote AGAINST the re-election of President Obama.

Damn. YOU are vying with rderp and FakeyJakey for last place in the credibility race here at USMB.

Guess what, if Obama wins and you voted for Mitt then you helped Obama get elected... You know why? Because you could have voted for someone better that stood a chance. Do you see how stupid you sound at all?

Anyways, you supported the big Government big spender Bush... What more needs to be said. Enjoy the shrinking Republican party and all the growth was due to DUN DUN DUN.... Ron Paul... I know, it stings lol.

 

[Avorysuds]

"Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama."

Posted: Jun. 6, 2010 | 12:00 a.m

Amazing how some things never change??? But who can argue the points Wayne Allyn Root, makes about the guy in office, who was never vetted. Can anyone here at USMB? ***Athena

SNIP:
"Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent. To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing. He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure, economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and our country from within.Â

"Barack Obama is my college classmate (Columbia University, class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.

Below is a link to the six methods Obama is pushing to accomplish his goals, in the mind of his classmate, Wayne Allyn Root, from Columbia University and it starts with Universal health care and why Obama really wants it.



Obama's agenda: Overwhelm the system - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com

For those who don't want to learn, I offer them up....

Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?

-- Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors. Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants. They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power. The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars, bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."

-- Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state? Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Obama's plan all along. His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government. [this is what O. wants but the ppl of Puerto Rico have voted against it, in the past. O. would probably push it thourgh?]

-- Legalize 12 million illegal immigrants. Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government. Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children, food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and eventually Social Security.

-- Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go? It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country. It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could keep paying union dues. It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions). A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues). All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America. The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful. The ends justify the means.

-- Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama). Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition.

With the acts outlined above, Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the system.

Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by my Columbia University college classmate Barack Obama.

Obama's agenda: Overwhelm the system - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com

I've got it in my archives thanks to you.

Good find.

Put in all the vids I posted of Mitt supporting many of these horrible Obama policies that were passed... That's a good find too, I didn't even look hard.

 

[Inthemiddle]

But who can argue the points Wayne Allyn Root, makes about the guy in office, who was never vetted. Can anyone here at USMB?

Sure, I can argue with it:

He's a fucking moron. Next?

All these bullshit ideas that Obama is engaged in some kind of systematic, intentional, destruction of the country are absurd. I mean, seriously? You want people to actually believe that Obama is a Marxist John Galt? With all the perfectly rational reasons to argue against re-electing the man, this is supposed to attract swing votes?

This is the reason our country is in so much trouble. Democrats are idiots, Republicans are idiots. Maybe I should write in Jesse Ventura.

 

[Liability]

I'll be doing a write in while it seems you will be voting for 1 of the 2 liberals. One that passed Obamacare and the other that passed Romneycare and to this day uses hundreds of millions of federal dollars to stay afloat.

Keep pretending that you’re any different than Obama. You sit here with so many others claiming Obama was never properly vetted as to how we ended up with a crap President then you support the closest thing to Obama that the Republicans could have possibly scrounged up.

You’re not worth debating because you’re not even honest with yourself.


lol, I love it... So I'M voting for Obama now... holy fuck you loony tin foil hate freaks think you sound intelligent.

You remain a transparent liar.

First off, you will be voting for the re-election of President Obama.

But there's no way I'd waste a vote in THIS election by voting for a 3P. That would WASTE an opportunity to cast a vote AGAINST the re-election of President Obama.

Damn. YOU are vying with rderp and FakeyJakey for last place in the credibility race here at USMB.

Guess what, if Obama wins and you voted for Mitt then you helped Obama get elected... You know why? Because you could have voted for someone better that stood a chance. Do you see how stupid you sound at all?

Anyways, you supported the big Government big spender Bush... What more needs to be said. Enjoy the shrinking Republican party and all the growth was due to DUN DUN DUN.... Ron Paul... I know, it stings lol.

This post of yours stands as testament to just how fucking stupid you are:

Your abysmal idiocy contends that:

A vote for Mitt (against Obama) is, in your imbecile view, a vote FOR Obama since it isn't a vote FOR a 3P who has no chance on Earth of winning.

Seriously.

Your mind is fried.

You are literally too stupid for words.