A preview of single payer? Yes.

[idb]

Yeah no one has ever died in a for profit healthcare.

Name one person in the last 50 years that has died outside a US hospital after being refused care for lack of ability to pay.

Nikki was a slim and athletic college graduate who had health insurance, had worked in health care and knew the system. But she had systemic lupus erythematosus, a chronic inflammatory disease that was diagnosed when she was 21 and gradually left her too sick to work. And once she lost her job, she lost her health insurance.

In any other rich country, Nikki probably would have been fine, notes T. R. Reid in his important and powerful new book, “The Healing of America.” Some 80 percent of lupus patients in the United States live a normal life span. Under a doctor’s care, lupus should be manageable. Indeed, if Nikki had been a felon, the problem could have been averted, because courts have ruled that prisoners are entitled to medical care.

As Mr. Reid recounts, Nikki tried everything to get medical care, but no insurance company would accept someone with her pre-existing condition. She spent months painfully writing letters to anyone she thought might be able to help. She fought tenaciously for her life.

Finally, Nikki collapsed at her home in Tennessee and was rushed to a hospital emergency room, which was then required to treat her without payment until her condition stabilized. Since money was no longer an issue, the hospital performed 25 emergency surgeries on Nikki, and she spent six months in critical care.

“When Nikki showed up at the emergency room, she received the best of care, and the hospital spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on her,” her step-father, Tony Deal, told me. “But that’s not when she needed the care.”

By then it was too late. In 2006, Nikki White died at age 32. “Nikki didn’t die from lupus,” her doctor, Amylyn Crawford, told Mr. Reid. “Nikki died from complications of the failing American health care system.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/o...sq=died due to pre existing condition&st=cse&

 

[idb]

It will create a single "insurer".

Good thing that monopolies are so well known for delivering superior products and services, isn't it?

So, again, there'll be no access to health insurance if you want it?

Obama and the congressmen will have their own healthcare. They will be exempt from single payer. Liberals are okay with that.

I think Bripat will tell you that health insurance will still be available to anyone that wants it.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

That's not a preview. It's not funded or supported correctly.

That's the excuse liberals always use for the failures. Whenever a government program doesn't produce the promised results, what do they say? We need to spend even more!

It's management, money, and morality in action, like most things.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Yeah no one has ever died in a for profit healthcare.

Not because they were kept waiting for treatment too long.

Wanna bet? Don't, you'd be wrong.

 

[bripat9643]

So, why do countries with single-payer health systems still have thriving health insurance companies.
And why do many of the residents of those countries buy health insurance?

Because the so-called "single payer" system sucks.

So, it won't mean the end of health insurance companies?
If you want to, and can afford to, you can get health insurance...just like today?
Is that what you're saying?

If you don't mind paying twice and you can afford it. Private insurance in countries like France and Canada is only for the rich.

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah no one has ever died in a for profit healthcare.

Not because they were kept waiting for treatment too long.

Wanna bet? Don't, you'd be wrong.

Yes, I do wanna bet. There may be a few freak occurrences, but in countries like the UK, they are a daily occurrence.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Yeah no one has ever died in a for profit healthcare.

Not because they were kept waiting for treatment too long.

I recall a Dallas Emergency Room finding a man in the waiting room dead after waiting room for something like 43 hours. He was came in for chest pains.

Totally fixable but to be expected. Humans make medical mistakes, among others.

 

[bripat9643]

That's not a preview. It's not funded or supported correctly.

That's the excuse liberals always use for the failures. Whenever a government program doesn't produce the promised results, what do they say? We need to spend even more!

It's management, money, and morality in action, like most things.

In the case of government healthcare, it's bad management, wasted money and lack of morality in action.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Because the so-called "single payer" system sucks.

So, it won't mean the end of health insurance companies?
If you want to, and can afford to, you can get health insurance...just like today?
Is that what you're saying?

If you don't mind paying twice and you can afford it. Private insurance in countries like France and Canada is only for the rich.

The rich usually get their way. Hope this isn't news to you.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

That's the excuse liberals always use for the failures. Whenever a government program doesn't produce the promised results, what do they say? We need to spend even more!

It's management, money, and morality in action, like most things.

In the case of government healthcare, it's bad management, wasted money and lack of morality in action.

So you believe but that's hardly a shock.

 

[bripat9643]

So, again, there'll be no access to health insurance if you want it?

Obama and the congressmen will have their own healthcare. They will be exempt from single payer. Liberals are okay with that.

I think Bripat will tell you that health insurance will still be available to anyone that wants it.

It will be available to the 1 % like Obama, the Clintons and George Soros. The plebes will just have to die waiting in line for treatment.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Will single-payer mean the end of health insurance?

Not sure what you mean by that. Insurance as you know it? Yes it's gone. You no longer get to purchase insurance for yourself or your family you will be assigned the government catch all version

So, why do countries with single-payer health systems still have thriving health insurance companies.
And why do many of the residents of those countries buy health insurance?

Thriving? The people on waiting lists aren't thriving. They are simply trying to survive their illness. The providers are thriving on tax dollars and delaying the actual cost's of giving care in order to thrive. Those that can afford supplemental insurance are doing so at their own expense and getting marginally better care.

 

[bripat9643]

It's management, money, and morality in action, like most things.

In the case of government healthcare, it's bad management, wasted money and lack of morality in action.

So you believe but that's hardly a shock.

The only shocking thing is why anyone would prefer such a system.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So, it won't mean the end of health insurance companies?
If you want to, and can afford to, you can get health insurance...just like today?
Is that what you're saying?

If you don't mind paying twice and you can afford it. Private insurance in countries like France and Canada is only for the rich.

The rich usually get their way. Hope this isn't news to you.

So now you're all for the rich and in return will fuck the average person into sub-par healthcare because...

Why exactly?

 

[bripat9643]

So, it won't mean the end of health insurance companies?
If you want to, and can afford to, you can get health insurance...just like today?
Is that what you're saying?

If you don't mind paying twice and you can afford it. Private insurance in countries like France and Canada is only for the rich.

The rich usually get their way. Hope this isn't news to you.

I thought the whole point of government healthcare was to provide everyone with the same quality of care that the rich receive. You have just admitted that it isn't.

 

[Truthseeker420]

We have yet another citizen left to die in a waiting room in the United States. Witnesses say that a man was left for 16 hours to sit in the emergency room in the University Hospital in San Antonio until other patients informed the nurse that he had stopped breathing.

Man Reportedly Dies After Being Left 16 Hours in Texas Emergency Room Without Care | JONATHAN TURLEY

Not in Dallas but in Texas.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Not because they were kept waiting for treatment too long.

Wanna bet? Don't, you'd be wrong.

Yes, I do wanna bet. There may be a few freak occurrences, but in countries like the UK, they are a daily occurrence.

Avoid Vegas. You don't understand odds, or reality.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If you don't mind paying twice and you can afford it. Private insurance in countries like France and Canada is only for the rich.

The rich usually get their way. Hope this isn't news to you.

I thought the whole point of government healthcare was to provide everyone with the same quality of care that the rich receive. You have just admitted that it isn't.

What you "think" is nonsense, as usual.

 

[Listening]

Well, since the single payer, universal health care systems are doing better on costs and results than ours has, I think that we will eventually get rid of the dinosaurs and go to a similiar system.

More fecal matter from the left.

Doing better than ours. Using what metrics....oh, I know....the WHO.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If you don't mind paying twice and you can afford it. Private insurance in countries like France and Canada is only for the rich.

The rich usually get their way. Hope this isn't news to you.

So now you're all for the rich and in return will fuck the average person into sub-par healthcare because...

Why exactly?

I'm for what I said. And basic healthcare isn't sub-par, just basic.