A question for all the Anti-Israelis on this board

[kvetch]

I looked for a state called "Palestine" in the world map. Couldn't find it.

You're so silly! You need to look for Palestines that do exist:

• Palestine, Arkansas
• Palestine, Connecticut
• Palestine, Illinois
• Palestine, Kosciusko County, Indiana
• Palestine, Franklin County, Indiana
• New Palestine, Indiana
• Palestine, Ohio
• East Palestine, Ohio
• Palestine, Texas
• Palestine, Greenbrier County, West Virginia
• Palestine, Wirt County, West Virginia
• Lake Palestine, a reservoir in eastern Texas

None are states. There's no such thing.

you are barking up all the wrong trees in the world in your desperate search for the Holy State of Palestine, Y-k

palestine iis like valentine

its a state of heart and mind

and palestine denial aint just a river in egypt either

stay there too long and the de-nile crocodiles will bite your priestly levite Kohen ass !!!

shalom and ha tikva, haver....hope you can take a joke...that is....jews are the best at that.........

jewish jokes are truly a lightening up unto all nations

 

[YKohen]

I looked for a state called "Palestine" in the world map. Couldn't find it.

You're so silly! You need to look for Palestines that do exist:

• Palestine, Arkansas
• Palestine, Connecticut
• Palestine, Illinois
• Palestine, Kosciusko County, Indiana
• Palestine, Franklin County, Indiana
• New Palestine, Indiana
• Palestine, Ohio
• East Palestine, Ohio
• Palestine, Texas
• Palestine, Greenbrier County, West Virginia
• Palestine, Wirt County, West Virginia
• Lake Palestine, a reservoir in eastern Texas

None are states. There's no such thing.

you are barking up all the wrong trees in the world in your desperate search for the Holy State of Palestine, Y-k

palestine iis like valentine

its a state of heart and mind

and palestine denial aint just a river in egypt either

stay there too long and the de-nile crocodiles will bite your priestly levite Kohen ass !!!

They have tried- and failed. Since they tried a decade ago, my community has doubled in size, and supply can't keep up with demand.

PS Enjoy this:

Articles by the Late Eugene W. Rostow

 

[kvetch]

can i ask what your community is, Y-K?

a settlement by any chance, or Amona, is it?

I bookmarked that Rostow piece to read when I am in the right space...too serious for me right now

Did you know that the unofficial English "people's national anthem" is a truly zionist hymn called Jerusalem?

This is how it goes:

Jerusalem Hymn
by William Blake, Artist, and visionary

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountain green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.

Do you know it or like it?

Does it qualify for the brand of "Zionist" in your priestly eyes??

Are the wicked english taking the name of Zion in vain?

Should we be paying Israel royalties, perhaps

 

[YKohen]

can i ask what your community is, Y-K?

I don't tell people; not because I'm afraid or because I'm embarrassed. I am neither. In fact, I am proud to live is such a wonderful place with such amazing people. I don't tell people because in my opinions, I'm so middle-of-the-road of my milieu that it makes me sick.

As such, I can generally give a balanced picture from our perspective, and that's where I like to leave it.

a settlement by any chance, or Amona, is it?

Like I said, a community in Judea and Samaria.

I bookmarked that Rostow piece to read when I am in the right space...too serious for me right now

Take your time. Make sure to understand the legal principles that he brings.

Did you know that the unofficial English "people's national anthem" is a truly zionist hymn called Jerusalem?

This is how it goes...

Do you know it or like it?

Never heard of it, and it doesn't really speak to me. Sorry.

Does it qualify for the brand of "Zionist" in your priestly eyes??

Zionism is the nation of Israel in the land of Israel. Anything else isn't. It doesn't really bother me if the English see their land as whatever.

 

[YKohen]

Do you like this? I call it "Auschwitz to Israel":
Ezekiel Chapter 37

1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and the LORD carried me out in a spirit, and set me down in the midst of the valley, and it was full of bones; 2 and He caused me to pass by them round about, and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. 3 And He said unto me: 'Son of man, can these bones live?' And I answered: 'O Lord GOD, Thou knowest.' 4 Then He said unto me: 'Prophesy over these bones, and say unto them: O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD: 5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live. 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.' 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a commotion, and the bones came together, bone to its bone. 8 And I beheld, and, lo, there were sinews upon them, and flesh came up, and skin covered them above; but there was no breath in them. 9 Then said He unto me: 'Prophesy unto the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath: {S} Thus saith the Lord GOD: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.' 10 So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great host. 11 Then He said unto me: 'Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say: Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off. 12 Therefore prophesy, and say unto them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, O My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, and caused you to come up out of your graves, O My people. 14 And I will put My spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I will place you in your own land; and ye shall know that I the LORD have spoken, and performed it, saith the LORD.' {P}
15 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying: 16 'And thou, son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it: For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions; then take another stick, and write upon it: For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and of all the house of Israel his companions; 17 and join them for thee one to another into one stick, that they may become one in thy hand. 18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying: Wilt thou not tell us what thou meanest by these? 19 say into them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his companions; and I will put them unto him together with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in My hand. 20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thy hand before their eyes. 21 And say unto them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, whither they are gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king to them all; and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all; 23 neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will save them out of all their dwelling-places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them; so shall they be My people, and I will be their God. 24 And My servant David shall be king over them, and they all shall have one shepherd; they shall also walk in Mine ordinances, and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant, wherein your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, they, and their children, and their children's children, for ever; and David My servant shall be their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them--it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will establish them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for ever. 27 My dwelling-place also shall be over them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 And the nations shall know that I am the LORD that sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for ever.

 

[kvetch]

Do you like this? I call it "Auschwitz to Israel":
Ezekiel Chapter 37

1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and the LORD carried me out in a spirit, and set me down in the midst of the valley, and it was full of bones; 2 and He caused me to pass by them round about, and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. 3 And He said unto me: 'Son of man, can these bones live?' And I answered: 'O Lord GOD, Thou knowest.' 4 Then He said unto me: 'Prophesy over these bones, and say unto them: O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD: 5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live. 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.' 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a commotion, and the bones came together, bone to its bone. 8 And I beheld, and, lo, there were sinews upon them, and flesh came up, and skin covered them above; but there was no breath in them. 9 Then said He unto me: 'Prophesy unto the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath: {S} Thus saith the Lord GOD: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.' 10 So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great host. 11 Then He said unto me: 'Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say: Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off. 12 Therefore prophesy, and say unto them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, O My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, and caused you to come up out of your graves, O My people. 14 And I will put My spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I will place you in your own land; and ye shall know that I the LORD have spoken, and performed it, saith the LORD.' {P}
15 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying: 16 'And thou, son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it: For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions; then take another stick, and write upon it: For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and of all the house of Israel his companions; 17 and join them for thee one to another into one stick, that they may become one in thy hand. 18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying: Wilt thou not tell us what thou meanest by these? 19 say into them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his companions; and I will put them unto him together with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in My hand. 20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thy hand before their eyes. 21 And say unto them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, whither they are gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king to them all; and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all; 23 neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will save them out of all their dwelling-places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them; so shall they be My people, and I will be their God. 24 And My servant David shall be king over them, and they all shall have one shepherd; they shall also walk in Mine ordinances, and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant, wherein your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, they, and their children, and their children's children, for ever; and David My servant shall be their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them--it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will establish them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for ever. 27 My dwelling-place also shall be over them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 And the nations shall know that I am the LORD that sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for ever.

The Book of Ezekiel was likely written between 593 and 565 B.C.
during the Babylonian captivity of the Jews.

So historically, it should be called from babylon back to israel

or

When iran put Israel back on the map

that's the concrete historical element of the story isn't it?

of course there are deeper meanings and layers and i respect yours

how could i not??

are you priest, lawyer or what?

 

[irosie91]

Kvetch----your analysis of the return of jews to Israel/judea and not only the reestablishment of the nation but its EXTENSIVE PHYSICAL AND PHILOSOPHICAL over haul as PERSIAN PROJECT is silly It was a project of jews-----notably people like EZRA-----which was simply not blocked by persia ------I am reminded of a family story. Jews have a history of LIONIZING Emperor Franz Josef of the Austrian Hapsburg Empire In fact even in MY CHILDHOOD-----I heard about this great emperor "friend of the jews" MY OWN GREAT GRANDFATHER had served in the army----and was wounded and ultimately died of his wounds THE GREAT AND WONDERFUL Franz Josef awarded the widow the tiny pension to which widoes of persons of the lowest rank were entitled so she could support her ten children (yeah right) Later on----I did learn a bit about Franz Josef and the jews------HIS WONDERFULNESS----consisted of not ordering pogroms and not joining up with the INQUISITION----- it was far more a kind of ---NOT then DO in his case-----the good man did not persecute jews-------same with the persian government at the time of Ezra-----he simply chose not to persecute jews as "some" other zoroastrian rulers had

 

[kvetch]

Kvetch----your analysis of the return of jews to Israel/judea and not only the reestablishment of the nation but its EXTENSIVE PHYSICAL AND PHILOSOPHICAL over haul as PERSIAN PROJECT is silly It was a project of jews-----notably people like EZRA-----which was simply not blocked by persia ------I am reminded of a family story. Jews have a history of LIONIZING Emperor Franz Josef of the Austrian Hapsburg Empire In fact even in MY CHILDHOOD-----I heard about this great emperor "friend of the jews" MY OWN GREAT GRANDFATHER had served in the army----and was wounded and ultimately died of his wounds THE GREAT AND WONDERFUL Franz Josef awarded the widow the tiny pension to which widoes of persons of the lowest rank were entitled so she could support her ten children (yeah right) Later on----I did learn a bit about Franz Josef and the jews------HIS WONDERFULNESS----consisted of not ordering pogroms and not joining up with the INQUISITION----- it was far more a kind of ---NOT then DO in his case-----the good man did not persecute jews-------same with the persian government at the time of Ezra-----he simply chose not to persecute jews as "some" other zoroastrian rulers had

didnt cyrus donate money from persian coffers to rebuild the temple?

what I am interested in right now is the evolution of jewish zionism during the period of 70 A.D until the modern 20th century when it became a mostly secular political nationalist entity

during the exile , as i understand it, zion was then used by jews worldwide as a metaphor for a zion that jews were encouraged to think of as building the best community they could wherever they were

return to the actual jerusalem was after the messiah had come

at the same time christians adopted the name and theme as a spiritual endeavour which could be built even in "england's green and pleasant lands" or wherever and as a spiritual home for believers

can you tell me more about this, please??

the jewish exile bit, I meaan....I know about the christian and english bits!!

 

[irosie91]

sure, Kvetch-----actually your impression is very flawed "zion" was never a metaphor for jews as being "build the best community you can here" ------in fact that was a metaphor for lots of sects of christianity that developed in the Americas -----interestingly---some even construed that the americas ---constitute the "NEW ZION" in fact jews never did. ZION for jews ----was Israel/judea aka palestine -----all the time. The concept of an "obligatory" waiting for the "messiah" is also incorrect------"RETURN TO ZION" has been an ideal for jews---thruout the entire 2000 years -----the problem being that it was blocked both by the "holy" Roman empire and the "caliphate" using NUREMBURG type laws and even a more specific oppression------it was DAMNED DANGEROUS---------then there was the issue of rampant sickness------cholera, leprosy, tuberculosis, shistosomiasis, impetigo, polio etc etc Thruout this time----there actually were ZIONIST PROJECTS several-----kinda pathetic attempts -------to reestablish communities by jews from far and wide

about seven years ago----I ran into an elderly friend of my husband---a woman with a background in the same shariah shit hole that hubby was born. SHE told me that her GREAT GRANDPARENTS -----traveled to palestine with the WHOLE VILLAGE OF JEWS (don't get impressed----that may have been something like 100 people) in a ---by foot journey thru saudi arabia----in 1905. Historically there were lots of other "programs" ----over the entire 2000 years. Remember ---MAIMONIDES some 1000 years ago ------was carred (as a corpse) to "palestine" ---despite the danger of----and actual muslim interference ----for burial ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES ------well----the muslims prevented it----his tomb is in Tiberias Israel. Going back to ZION-----never went away either in theory or IN FACT amongst jews

 

[kvetch]

sure, Kvetch-----actually your impression is very flawed "zion" was never a metaphor for jews as being "build the best community you can here" ------in fact that was a metaphor for lots of sects of christianity that developed in the Americas -----interestingly---some even construed that the americas ---constitute the "NEW ZION" in fact jews never did. ZION for jews ----was Israel/judea aka palestine -----all the time. The concept of an "obligatory" waiting for the "messiah" is also incorrect------"RETURN TO ZION" has been an ideal for jews---thruout the entire 2000 years -----the problem being that it was blocked both by the "holy" Roman empire and the "caliphate" using NUREMBURG type laws and even a more specific oppression------it was DAMNED DANGEROUS---------then there was the issue of rampant sickness------cholera, leprosy, tuberculosis, shistosomiasis, impetigo, polio etc etc Thruout this time----there actually were ZIONIST PROJECTS several-----kinda pathetic attempts -------to reestablish communities by jews from far and wide

about seven years ago----I ran into an elderly friend of my husband---a woman with a background in the same shariah shit hole that hubby was born. SHE told me that her GREAT GRANDPARENTS -----traveled to palestine with the WHOLE VILLAGE OF JEWS (don't get impressed----that may have been something like 100 people) in a ---by foot journey thru saudi arabia----in 1905. Historically there were lots of other "programs" ----over the entire 2000 years. Remember ---MAIMONIDES some 1000 years ago ------was carred (as a corpse) to "palestine" ---despite the danger of----and actual muslim interference ----for burial ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES ------well----the muslims prevented it----his tomb is in Tiberias Israel. Going back to ZION-----never went away either in theory or IN FACT amongst jews

so was your favourite poet Ha'alevi according to wiki...never reached palestine, i think

thanks

so who DID say not to go to zion until the messiah arrives

i'm sure someone did...was it just some rabbis in western europe or where and when, do you know?

or was that spiritual comfort food or consolation just because it was so difficult and arduous and dangerous?

europe was little safer, if a bit richer, wasn't it and had plagues etc

sorry I'm tired...haven't been to bed yet since 2 days ago with your election.and all this "processing"...it's catching up on me fast, Motek

 

[YKohen]

Do you like this? I call it "Auschwitz to Israel":
Ezekiel Chapter 37

1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and the LORD carried me out in a spirit, and set me down in the midst of the valley, and it was full of bones; 2 and He caused me to pass by them round about, and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. 3 And He said unto me: 'Son of man, can these bones live?' And I answered: 'O Lord GOD, Thou knowest.' 4 Then He said unto me: 'Prophesy over these bones, and say unto them: O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD: 5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live. 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.' 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a commotion, and the bones came together, bone to its bone. 8 And I beheld, and, lo, there were sinews upon them, and flesh came up, and skin covered them above; but there was no breath in them. 9 Then said He unto me: 'Prophesy unto the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath: {S} Thus saith the Lord GOD: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.' 10 So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great host. 11 Then He said unto me: 'Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say: Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off. 12 Therefore prophesy, and say unto them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, O My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, and caused you to come up out of your graves, O My people. 14 And I will put My spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I will place you in your own land; and ye shall know that I the LORD have spoken, and performed it, saith the LORD.' {P}
15 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying: 16 'And thou, son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it: For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions; then take another stick, and write upon it: For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and of all the house of Israel his companions; 17 and join them for thee one to another into one stick, that they may become one in thy hand. 18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying: Wilt thou not tell us what thou meanest by these? 19 say into them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his companions; and I will put them unto him together with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in My hand. 20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thy hand before their eyes. 21 And say unto them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, whither they are gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king to them all; and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all; 23 neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will save them out of all their dwelling-places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them; so shall they be My people, and I will be their God. 24 And My servant David shall be king over them, and they all shall have one shepherd; they shall also walk in Mine ordinances, and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant, wherein your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, they, and their children, and their children's children, for ever; and David My servant shall be their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them--it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will establish them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for ever. 27 My dwelling-place also shall be over them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 And the nations shall know that I am the LORD that sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for ever.

The Book of Ezekiel was likely written between 593 and 565 B.C.
during the Babylonian captivity of the Jews.

So historically, it should be called from babylon back to israel

or

When iran put Israel back on the map

that's the concrete historical element of the story isn't it?

of course there are deeper meanings and layers and i respect yours

how could i not??

are you priest, lawyer or what?

It was written back then, but the prophesy was about the messianic era.

And guess what? Those prophesies about the nation of Israel returning home to the land of Israel are happening now.

Or is it all just a "coincidence"? I mean- there have been numerous other examples in history of a nation being exiled from their land for nearly 2000 years- to the 4 corners of the earth- and not only did they not disappear, not assimilate, but actually returned to their land as was promised in their holy books- right?

Name a few.
Can't? OK, then name one (besides the nation of Israel).

 

[YKohen]

return to the actual jerusalem was after the messiah had come

Really? So the Chassidim and the students of the Vilna Gaon, who, in their own messianic fervor, returned to Jerusalem- and Hebron and Tzfat and Tiberias 100 years before Herzl didn't know that?

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/The-Gaon-Vilna-Messianic-Vision/dp/9652295663]The Gaon of Vilna and His Messianic Vision: Arie Morgenstern: 9789652295668: Amazon.com: Books[/ame]

 

[kvetch]

Do you like this? I call it "Auschwitz to Israel":
Ezekiel Chapter 37

1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and the LORD carried me out in a spirit, and set me down in the midst of the valley, and it was full of bones; 2 and He caused me to pass by them round about, and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. 3 And He said unto me: 'Son of man, can these bones live?' And I answered: 'O Lord GOD, Thou knowest.' 4 Then He said unto me: 'Prophesy over these bones, and say unto them: O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD: 5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live. 6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.' 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded; and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a commotion, and the bones came together, bone to its bone. 8 And I beheld, and, lo, there were sinews upon them, and flesh came up, and skin covered them above; but there was no breath in them. 9 Then said He unto me: 'Prophesy unto the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath: {S} Thus saith the Lord GOD: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.' 10 So I prophesied as He commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great host. 11 Then He said unto me: 'Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel; behold, they say: Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost; we are clean cut off. 12 Therefore prophesy, and say unto them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, O My people; and I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, and caused you to come up out of your graves, O My people. 14 And I will put My spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I will place you in your own land; and ye shall know that I the LORD have spoken, and performed it, saith the LORD.' {P}
15 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying: 16 'And thou, son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it: For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions; then take another stick, and write upon it: For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and of all the house of Israel his companions; 17 and join them for thee one to another into one stick, that they may become one in thy hand. 18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying: Wilt thou not tell us what thou meanest by these? 19 say into them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his companions; and I will put them unto him together with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in My hand. 20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thy hand before their eyes. 21 And say unto them: Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, whither they are gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king to them all; and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all; 23 neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will save them out of all their dwelling-places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them; so shall they be My people, and I will be their God. 24 And My servant David shall be king over them, and they all shall have one shepherd; they shall also walk in Mine ordinances, and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant, wherein your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, they, and their children, and their children's children, for ever; and David My servant shall be their prince for ever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them--it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will establish them, and multiply them, and will set My sanctuary in the midst of them for ever. 27 My dwelling-place also shall be over them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 And the nations shall know that I am the LORD that sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for ever.

The Book of Ezekiel was likely written between 593 and 565 B.C.
during the Babylonian captivity of the Jews.

So historically, it should be called from babylon back to israel

or

When iran put Israel back on the map

that's the concrete historical element of the story isn't it?

of course there are deeper meanings and layers and i respect yours

how could i not??

are you priest, lawyer or what?

It was written back then, but the prophesy was about the messianic era.

And guess what? Those prophesies about the nation of Israel returning home to the land of Israel are happening now.

Or is it all just a "coincidence"? I mean- there have been numerous other examples in history of a nation being exiled from their land for nearly 2000 years- to the 4 corners of the earth- and not only did they not disappear, not assimilate, but actually returned to their land as was promised in their holy books- right?

Name a few.
Can't? OK, then name one (besides the nation of Israel).

well history goes round in circles and cycles, does it not?

jews allegedly entered the land of israel 3 times if you count moses which may or may not be historical.

I will write about this tomorrow.

I REALLY MUST RELAX AND SLEEP AS I HAVE NOT SLEPT ALL LAST NIGHT

WATCHING THE OBAMA SHOW!

What I would write now in this state would not begin to do justice to our people's history.

you know vastly more than I do and about jewish history and I really am more interested in learning from you and Rosie and anyone else here who knows jewish zionist history in the exile period than I am in arguing.

OK???

 

[Billo_Really]

All Anti-Israelis come up with solutions which basically can be sumed up with three words- "into the sea"

You hold onto that thought like its a security blanket. Even in spite of the mountain of evidence that says otherwise, you have to convince yourself that is still the truth. Because you're scared shitless of what might happen if you didn't.

Is dealing with the bad things Israel does to the Pals on a daily basis that painful?

Or do you really believe this "chosen" crap and think you're really are a higher class of people?

 

[irosie91]

loin agains says nothing
Do you really believe that chosen crap

Do you really believe that virgin birth crap

Do you really believe that prophet shit?

Do you really believe that karma garbage?

sandbox stupidity

 

[kvetch]

Y-Kohen

you asked me about zionist christians view of jewish prophecy

just imagine for a second you are a christian who believes christ was the messiah

if that were true, all the old jewish prophecies would already have been fulfilled 2,000 years ago would they not?

!) the jews return from exile in babylon where all the return prophecies except hezekiah were actually written
2) Christ arrives in israel

job done....for them, but not for you

yet they have been duped by neten yahoo and others who dont even believe in god or the bible that israel's existence is a fulfilment of the old jewish prophecies

for you....and jews......it could be

but not for ignorant gullible christians who dont know the first thing about the jewish prophecies in the bible!!

get it?? it really aint difficult.

the only reference in the bible to a 2nd in-gathering of jews is in revelation as i said

and that is total genocide for all non christ believers including you

if christ arrives again....get the hell out of israel

or get him locked up in your jerusalem syndrome lunatic asylum pretty damn quick!!

the last people who would recognise the real jesus are such "christians", anyway

 

[pbel]

Y-Kohen

you asked me about zionist christians view of jewish prophecy

just imagine for a second you are a christian who believes christ was the messiah

if that were true, all the old jewish prophecies would already have been fulfilled 2,000 years ago would they not?

!) the jews return from exile in babylon where all the return prophecies except hezekiah were actually written
2) Christ arrives in israel

job done....for them, but not for you

yet they have been duped by neten yahoo and others who dont even believe in god or the bible that israel's existence is a fulfilment of the old jewish prophecies

for you....and jews......it could be

but not for ignorant gullible christians who dont know the first thing about the jewish prophecies in the bible!!

get it?? it really aint difficult.

the only reference in the bible to a 2nd in-gathering of jews is in revelation as i said

and that is total genocide for all non christ believers including you

if christ arrives again....get the hell out of israel

or get him locked up in your jerusalem syndrome lunatic asylum pretty damn quick!!

the last people who would recognise the real jesus are such "christians", anyway

Thanks Kvetch! We agree: all religious Zionists are convoluted in their logic...religion makes the illogical a matter of faith...The Zionism the UN established is Secular.

 

[SAYIT]

All Anti-Israelis come up with solutions which basically can be sumed up with three words- "into the sea"

You hold onto that thought like its a security blanket. Even in spite of the mountain of evidence that says otherwise, you have to convince yourself that is still the truth. Because you're scared shitless of what might happen if you didn't.

Is dealing with the bad things Israel does to the Pals on a daily basis that painful?

Or do you really believe this "chosen" crap and think you're really are a higher class of people?

How does focusing solely on "the bad things Israel does" serve you or those hapless "Palestinians, and how does posting like a Nazi slug serve anyone?"

 

[Billo_Really]

How does focusing solely on "the bad things Israel does" serve you or those hapless "Palestinians,

First off, your statement is factually incorrect, but I think you already knew that. I've started about a half-dozen threads on the good things Israel does, but no one's interested in them. But it does prove I don't focus soley on bad things.

The biggest reason I bring up the "bad things", is because people like you, never bring them up at all. In fact, you act like they don't exist. And I'm going to keep bringing it up, until you start dealing with this shit. The more you try to look the other way, the more I'm gonna throw it in your face.

and how does posting like a Nazi slug serve anyone?"

What's nazi about my post?

 

[YKohen]

Y-Kohen

you asked me about zionist christians view of jewish prophecy

just imagine for a second you are a christian who believes christ was the messiah

if that were true, all the old jewish prophecies would already have been fulfilled 2,000 years ago would they not?

!) the jews return from exile in babylon where all the return prophecies except hezekiah were actually written
2) Christ arrives in israel

job done....for them, but not for you

yet they have been duped by neten yahoo and others who dont even believe in god or the bible that israel's existence is a fulfilment of the old jewish prophecies

for you....and jews......it could be

but not for ignorant gullible christians who dont know the first thing about the jewish prophecies in the bible!!

get it?? it really aint difficult.

the only reference in the bible to a 2nd in-gathering of jews is in revelation as i said

and that is total genocide for all non christ believers including you

if christ arrives again....get the hell out of israel

or get him locked up in your jerusalem syndrome lunatic asylum pretty damn quick!!

the last people who would recognise the real jesus are such "christians", anyway

Of course I get it.

Christianity has a real theological problem with the return of the nation of Israel to its land. Some denominations have ignored it theologically- although it's a huge issue; the elephant in the room.

Others have had to come up with a new theory to try and understand how it could be that everything is unfolding according to Jewish tradition and theology and not according to their own.

But as I mentioned previously, in Judaism, what really counts is actions, and therefore I welcome their support- even while realizing what they believe. Why? Let's see what the Rambam; Maimonides, wrote more than 900 years ago:

Ultimately, all the deeds of Jesus of Nazareth and that Ishmaelite who arose after him will only serve to prepare the way for Mashiach's coming and the improvement of the entire world, motivating the nations to serve God together as Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him with one purpose.'

How will this come about? The entire world has already become filled with the mention of Mashiach, Torah, and mitzvot. These matters have been spread to the furthermost islands to many stubborn-hearted nations. They discuss these matters and the mitzvot of the Torah, saying: 'These mitzvot were true, but were already negated in the present age and are not applicable for all time.'

Others say: 'Implied in the mitzvot are hidden concepts that can not be understood simply. The Mashiach has already come and revealed those hidden truths.'

When the true Messianic king will arise and prove successful, his position becoming exalted and uplifted, they will all return and realize that their ancestors endowed them with a false heritage and their prophets and ancestors caused them to err.
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I already see changes happening- even among non-Evangelicals.

So again, I welcome their acts of support, because we know that ultimately: "... the L-RD shall be King over all the earth; in that day shall the L-RD be One, and His name one." (Zechariah 14:9)