Abortion clinic owner's payback to protesters

[Casjah]

Second trimester begins at 14 weeks and third trimester at 28 weeks depending on which textbook one reads.

 

[Noomi]

No more than with any other C-section.

Or abortion, as far as that goes.

When the head is the size of a basketball, the cut is deeper and wider in order to remove the fetus.

 

[Casjah]

Big difference between protest and harassment. Calling someone at home to intimidate them is beyond the pale, unless he's a Dr Tiller murdering scum.

Gotta say I'm surprised at this from you.

I also think going after his kids is unconscionable and gives weight to what we've seen with anti-freedom nutters. Once a fetus becomes a child, they have no further use for them and would cheerfully let them die.

I've noticed this. ^ People who do not support a woman's right to choose an abortion are the first to bellyache when a child needs WIC, foodstamps, or healthcare. Basically, they want to force a woman to remain pregnant, and abandon her and the child moments after birth. And I agree: when those people included this doctor's family in their so called "protest" all bets are off. What he did was nice compared to what I could have done to someone showing their ass at my kid's school.

Ironically, it's morons like these who remove credibility from the anti abortion movement. I know people (who I disagree with strongly) who are pro life, but actually manage to have respectful and intelligent opinions on the matter. It's not that difficult.

[MENTION=19374]Ernie[/MENTION]S:

"We do not want bad thinks [sic] for the child. We do want it's [sic] parents to accept responsibility for it."

If the child is born to a woman ill-equipped to care for the child, and unable to afford it, how do you suppose that bad things won't happen to the child? Of course they will. The child will be malnourished, abused, and at the very least (and just as tragic) unwanted. If you do not support abortion, fine, but the child needs to be cared for after it is born. Many times, children are aborted because the women are not capable of providing for that child.

 

[Vox]

No more than with any other C-section.

Or abortion, as far as that goes.

When the head is the size of a basketball, the cut is deeper and wider in order to remove the fetus.

so?

the cut is done under anesthesia and the procedure takes 20-40 minutes. Instead of procrastinating dangerous 3-days horrific butchery. Without anesthesia.

Or your main aim is only to murder the baby no matter what?

 

[Vox]

Second trimester begins at 14 weeks and third trimester at 28 weeks depending on which textbook one reads.

baloney. third trimester begins at 24-26 weeks - when the baby is officially viable.

 

[Vox]

It is never ecclampsia in the second trimester.
Some signs of the potential preeclampsia might be present at the end of second trimester and that is exactly when the baby starts being viable. Since preeclampsia never escalates immediately to ecclampsia, pregnancy is usually supported until 30-32 weeks( or as long as possible) and then if the symptoms do not subside - emergency c-section is being performed.

The complication is connected to the microcirculation in the placenta and is never occurring before 22-24 weeks.

Not to even mention the abortion is never even an option considered in a situation of preecclamptic patient.

I really do appreciate the cut and paste job, but eclampsia literally means "seizure" which can lead to the death of mom and fetus, and yes ... it can happen to women in the second trimester.

If the fetus is "delivered" or "born" (whatever other form of semantics people want to use to support their arguments), and it is dead the result is the same as with abortion. Fact is, there are legitimate instances when terminating a pregnancy is necessary.

Pre eclampsia isn't one of them. In EXTREMELY rare cases, if the mother shows sign of organ failure before the baby is viable, they induce labor, knowing the baby is not viable, because the mother's death is imminent otherwise.

But generally, women aren't diagnosed prior to 20 weeks, and it's extremely, extremely rare that they need to be delivered before viability.

It does not happen. There might be some signs of hypertension and proteinuria but organ failure does not happen in the second trimester for preeclampsia. There can be other causes for organ failure and the option is either c-section or induced labor.

 

[Vox]

Hydrocephaly causes excessive bleeding?

You're a fucking nut. Shut the hell up.

If a C section is performed, yes, it is possible.

much less than bleeding with that butchery called third trimester abortion - that one is exponentially higher risk for perinatal bleeding, DIC, amniotic fluid embolism, uterine and other hollow organ perforation, sepsis, peritonitis, shock, organ failure and death.

 

[Vox]

Not every woman can have a natural birth or even a C section. Sometimes there is something wrong with the fetus and it requires a late abortion.

are you an idiot?

so you are telling that a natural birth is what not every woman can have? but she can have a butchery procedure protracted for 3 days without proper medical care?

EVERY woman can have a c-section.
If there is something wrong with a baby the c-section is a way to go and it is how it is done everywhere in the world.

why do you insist on a butchery hanger method instead of a civilized XXI century one?
Third trimester abortion is not ever being performed anywhere else in the world except by 3 or 4 butchers in the US. the baby killer was eliminated by a GSW and the last one is Gosnell - also eliminated from the society.

If the fetus has a severe case of hydrocephaly, a C Section may carry a risk of excessive bleeding, and potentially damage the uterus so that a future pregnancy is very high risk.

Figures that a MAN wouldn't know jack shit about a woman's body.

baloney. it does not carry any more risk than a usual c-section.

but it reduces risk of almost 100% death because of amniotic fluid embolism exponentially.

Only an uneducated idiot like you would think that back alley dangerous procedure which takes 3 days is without deadly risks.
And only a brainwashed idiot would risk her life to undergo it vs a safe, quick and sterile procedure in the HOSPITAL vs obscure "clinic".

 

[Ernie S.]

Big difference between protest and harassment. Calling someone at home to intimidate them is beyond the pale, unless he's a Dr Tiller murdering scum.

Gotta say I'm surprised at this from you.

I also think going after his kids is unconscionable and gives weight to what we've seen with anti-freedom nutters. Once a fetus becomes a child, they have no further use for them and would cheerfully let them die.

We keep hearing this, but tell me: How many families have you supported out of the goodness of your own heart lately?

You confuse charity with forced redistribution.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Payback Is a Bitch for Abortion Clinic Protestors, Thanks to a Brilliant Landlord

It's common practice for anti-abortion protesters to disseminate doctors' personal information and urge people to harass them—and it can clearly go far beyond that, as with the 2009 murder of Dr. George Tiller in Kansas. LeRoy Carhart, who's now in Stave's clinic, had his Nebraska farm burned to the ground back in 1991. But protesters in Maryland figured out they could start targeting Stave for owning the clinic's property. He was largely unfazed by this campaign, until last fall when they took it too far. On his daughter's first day in middle school, a large group of people protested outside her school, and then they showed up again for back-to-school night. They were naturally carrying signs with his name and contact info and those nasty pictures of fetuses.

Stave was furious, and then it got even worse. Dozens of the protestors began calling him at home, around the clock. His friends wanted to help him fight back; that's when Stave had the brilliant idea of turning the tables on his tormentors. He began recording the names and numbers of the assholes who called, and then he gave the list of info to his friends and asked them to call these people back on his behalf. Shazam! And the really smart part was that when someone from Team Stave called, they always took the high road. He explains,

In a very calm, very respectful voice, they said that the Stave family thanks you for your prayers. They cannot terminate the lease, and they do not want to. They support women's rights.

There's more. Read the link for the rest.

Payback's a bitch.

Good for him, I hope they made sure to call at 4 AM.

 

[Noomi]

No more than with any other C-section.

Or abortion, as far as that goes.

When the head is the size of a basketball, the cut is deeper and wider in order to remove the fetus.

so?

the cut is done under anesthesia and the procedure takes 20-40 minutes. Instead of procrastinating dangerous 3-days horrific butchery. Without anesthesia.

Or your main aim is only to murder the baby no matter what?

Tell me how massive an incision would have to be to remove something like this from a woman:

You cannot give birth, it will kill you. And a C Section also carries risk, as the head of this child is about five times the size as it should be. The head alone could fit two newborn infants inside it.

A woman has the right to choose a late abortion to remove a child like this from her womb, to prevent a possible risk of death or infection from surgery.

 

[Plasmaball]

hey, bodecea, are you proud of your support of the murder of an innocent baby at the stage when she can be safely delivered and be alive just to satisfy your lust of killing babies in utero?

And you support the harassment of children and calling a private citizen in order to get your way. You are nothing more than a terrorist.

 

[Vox]

When the head is the size of a basketball, the cut is deeper and wider in order to remove the fetus.

so?

the cut is done under anesthesia and the procedure takes 20-40 minutes. Instead of procrastinating dangerous 3-days horrific butchery. Without anesthesia.

Or your main aim is only to murder the baby no matter what?

Tell me how massive an incision would have to be to remove something like this from a woman:


You cannot give birth, it will kill you. And a C Section also carries risk, as the head of this child is about five times the size as it should be. The head alone could fit two newborn infants inside it.

A woman has the right to choose a late abortion to remove a child like this from her womb, to prevent a possible risk of death or infection from surgery.

No, it would not. Gosh you are stupid. the child on the picture is not a newborn and not a preemie newborn. and it obviously did not kill the mother. not to even mention that the hydrocephalus might be postnatal, not prenatal in this particular case.

and a death risk from infection and sepsis during a 3 day procedure outside the hospital is ten times higher than a usual c-section - no wonder only 4 or 5 butchers in the WORLD do that - a sane physician does not risk his/her career over the greedy stupidity of the ignorant women like noomi.
this procedure is not available in your country. at all.

did you ever got interested - why?
it is not possible anywhere in Europe.
It is legally performed only by 4 or 5 clinics in the whole North America. It does not exist anywhere else in the world.

Did it ever occur in your ignorant brain that there are very specific reasons why it does not?

 

[koshergrl]

That is not a newborn, I don't believe....and I think it is photoshopped as well.

 

[koshergrl]

Yeah, noomi's full of shit.

That picture is of a one year old child:

"Doctors on Friday discharged a one-year-old Indian baby who underwent multiple surgery to correct a rare disorder that caused her head to nearly double in size, a neurosurgeon told AFP.
Roona Begum endured several surgical procedures which saw doctors at a hospital near New Delhi drain fluid from her head in a life-saving operation and dramatically reduce the size of her skull.
"Roona's health has improved significantly.... We have discharged the baby this morning and she is fit to travel," neurosurgeon Sandeep Vaishya said."

Indian doctors discharge baby with swollen head | Fox News

In India.

Where they do not have prenatal treatment options...and where butcher shop abortion clinics would kill as many women as they "save", thanks to the crap conditions, the filthy environs, and the inability of the women to get treatment in the almost certain event of infection or hemorrhage.

Indian doctors discharge baby with swollen head | Fox News

 

[koshergrl]

"
Her head shrank to 58 centimetres after procedures conducted between April and July at the hospital run by the private Fortis Healthcare group."

Noomi just thinks that all ugly children should be killed. That's the long and short of it. She views sick kids as monsters...which is why she called that one year old little girl an "it".

 

[koshergrl]

I think I know who the monster in this case is.

And it's not the now 2-year old girl, who is doing well:

"After reviewing the baby's response to treatment, the neurosurgery team plans to "go ahead with the next round of procedures to further remodel her skull," the medical research institute which is treating her said in a statement."

More surgery for Indian girl with severely swollen head | Fox News

 

[Vox]

Yeah, noomi's full of shit.

That picture is of a one year old child:

"Doctors on Friday discharged a one-year-old Indian baby who underwent multiple surgery to correct a rare disorder that caused her head to nearly double in size, a neurosurgeon told AFP.
Roona Begum endured several surgical procedures which saw doctors at a hospital near New Delhi drain fluid from her head in a life-saving operation and dramatically reduce the size of her skull.
"Roona's health has improved significantly.... We have discharged the baby this morning and she is fit to travel," neurosurgeon Sandeep Vaishya said."

Indian doctors discharge baby with swollen head | Fox News

In India.

Where they do not have prenatal treatment options...and where butcher shop abortion clinics would kill as many women as they "save", thanks to the crap conditions, the filthy environs, and the inability of the women to get treatment in the almost certain event of infection or hemorrhage.

Indian doctors discharge baby with swollen head | Fox News

well, the kid is doing well, but the abortion maniac Noomi would murder the baby obviously, to satisfy her bloody lust.

 

[Vox]

"
Her head shrank to 58 centimetres after procedures conducted between April and July at the hospital run by the private Fortis Healthcare group."

Noomi just thinks that all ugly children should be killed. That's the long and short of it. She views sick kids as monsters...which is why she called that one year old little girl an "it".

the repair of myelomeningocele is one of the procedures of fetal surgery - probably, not done in India, but certainly available in the civilized world - and that is usually the reason for congenital hydrocephalus.

noomi views ALL kids as monsters, even healthy ones. You should have read her hysteria about never ever even imagining to stop her carate ( or whatever) exercises when she gets pregnant - no child will ever interfere with her ego
I think the idiots like her should have mandatory tubal ligation for the benefit of the humankind

and the ultimate IT is Noomi, not the little girl.

 

[bodecea]

Yeah, noomi's full of shit.

That picture is of a one year old child:

"Doctors on Friday discharged a one-year-old Indian baby who underwent multiple surgery to correct a rare disorder that caused her head to nearly double in size, a neurosurgeon told AFP.
Roona Begum endured several surgical procedures which saw doctors at a hospital near New Delhi drain fluid from her head in a life-saving operation and dramatically reduce the size of her skull.
"Roona's health has improved significantly.... We have discharged the baby this morning and she is fit to travel," neurosurgeon Sandeep Vaishya said."

Indian doctors discharge baby with swollen head | Fox News

In India.

Where they do not have prenatal treatment options...and where butcher shop abortion clinics would kill as many women as they "save", thanks to the crap conditions, the filthy environs, and the inability of the women to get treatment in the almost certain event of infection or hemorrhage.

Indian doctors discharge baby with swollen head | Fox News

well, the kid is doing well, but the abortion maniac Noomi would murder the baby obviously, to satisfy her bloody lust.

You can only "win" arguments against your own strawmen...how sad.