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Progressives always believe there are degrees of humanity, and they always will.
People who are deserving of life, and people who aren't. People who have value, and people who don't.
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Progressives always believe there are degrees of humanity, and they always will.
People who are deserving of life, and people who aren't. People who have value, and people who don't.
and you are saying conservatives don't?
When they cut school lunches, medicare, fight Obamacare tooth and nail to preserve tax cuts for rich douchebags, they aren't saying they think rich people have more value than poor ones.
We have more abortions than any other industrialized country because of conservative policies.
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Progressives always believe there are degrees of humanity, and they always will.
People who are deserving of life, and people who aren't. People who have value, and people who don't.
and you are saying conservatives don't?
When they cut school lunches, medicare, fight Obamacare tooth and nail to preserve tax cuts for rich douchebags, they aren't saying they think rich people have more value than poor ones.
We have more abortions than any other industrialized country because of conservative policies.
Thing is, they aren't all rich douchebags. Those tax cuts pertain to the middle class too. Or did you not read that part?
We have more idiots per capita than any other industrialized country no thanks to liberal policies. Abortion is like saying a flower seed will not grow into a flower just because it is a seed. We all know what it will become. Same for a child. You and Noomi have your heads buried too far up your backsides to understand that. Just what happens if your mother had the same attitude you do about abortion? I doubt you would even be here. Might just be theoretical, but its ironic to me that those who favor abortion are those who have already been born.
The 50-year-old grandmother has lost count of the number of pregnancies she has terminated in this largely Roman Catholic country where abortion is illegal and strictly taboo, but where about half a million women end their pregnancies every year...
"I felt guilty but I thought it was better than having another child that will only suffer because we have no food," she said in an interview in a slum on the outskirts of Manila.
Remy bled for a week after her session with the hilot, passing out with the pain. She refused to let her husband take her to the hospital because of the shame of what she had done and because they couldn't afford the medical bills...
Although abortion is rarely discussed publicly in the Philippines, nearly 80,000 women are treated in hospitals every year for complications from induced abortion, according to health reports.
Many are treated roughly by nurses and doctors who abhor what they have done. Painkillers are sometimes withheld. At least 800 women are estimated to die every year from complications.
and you are saying conservatives don't?
When they cut school lunches, medicare, fight Obamacare tooth and nail to preserve tax cuts for rich douchebags, they aren't saying they think rich people have more value than poor ones.
We have more abortions than any other industrialized country because of conservative policies.
Thing is, they aren't all rich douchebags. Those tax cuts pertain to the middle class too. Or did you not read that part?
We have more idiots per capita than any other industrialized country no thanks to liberal policies. Abortion is like saying a flower seed will not grow into a flower just because it is a seed. We all know what it will become. Same for a child. You and Noomi have your heads buried too far up your backsides to understand that. Just what happens if your mother had the same attitude you do about abortion? I doubt you would even be here. Might just be theoretical, but its ironic to me that those who favor abortion are those who have already been born.
If my mother didn't want to have a third child, she would have had a good reason, and frankly, you are running very close to breaking forum rules by throwing in family members.
While I was born in 1962 when that sort of thing was still illegal, the problem was, women were having abortions before Roe.
Women are going to have abortions, NO MATTER WHAT THE LAW IS. So we have to points on the compass of how we deal with this problem.
The conservative view is that we just ban all the abortions and force these poor women to have the abortions. They actually do that in the Philippines. How is that working out?
Abortion in the Philippines: a national secret | Reuters
The 50-year-old grandmother has lost count of the number of pregnancies she has terminated in this largely Roman Catholic country where abortion is illegal and strictly taboo, but where about half a million women end their pregnancies every year...
"I felt guilty but I thought it was better than having another child that will only suffer because we have no food," she said in an interview in a slum on the outskirts of Manila.
Remy bled for a week after her session with the hilot, passing out with the pain. She refused to let her husband take her to the hospital because of the shame of what she had done and because they couldn't afford the medical bills...
Although abortion is rarely discussed publicly in the Philippines, nearly 80,000 women are treated in hospitals every year for complications from induced abortion, according to health reports.
Many are treated roughly by nurses and doctors who abhor what they have done. Painkillers are sometimes withheld. At least 800 women are estimated to die every year from complications.
That's what a country would look like if people like you and Kosherghoul had your way. No thanks. You might think these women "deserve it" for being poor and slutty, I don't.
Conversely, let's look at liberal France. Abortion is legal, the church is thankfully ignored on the subject. The government pays for them. But the government also pays contraception, health care, provides paid family leave, and even has social workers who help new mothers cope in the first months after birth. The kind of social welfare that would drive the right craizer than a box full of ObamaPhones!
How's that working out.
Abortions statistics - countries compared - NationMaster
Abortions in the US- # 2 United States: 1,210,880
# 5 France: 161,129
What? They only have a TENTH the number of abortions we have? Really?
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No, its a harsh reality that you refuse to come to grips with. Unless I name them explicitly, threaten them or otherwise slander them, then I haven't broken any rules. It isn't my problem you can't handle the truth.
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Uhh we aren't forcing anyone to have an abortion.. you can't force someone to have an abortion by banning abortions. I swear it's like the fucking Twilight Zone in here.
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Current US population: 313,914,040
Current France population: 65,436,552
That's why they have a tenth of the abortions we do.
Oh, and if you think America is bad? Since China has instituted it's one child policy in 1971, there have been nearly 330,000,000 abortions performed there. That's 8,460,000 abortions a year since it's implementation.
Current Chinese population: 1,344,130,000
Don't. Even. Go. There.
Oh, and Joe, in that list of yours, Russia was #1, they had double the amount of abortions per year that we do. However, that list is not an accurate portrayal, since China routinely classifies its abortion statistics. Gee I wonder why.
My bold.
No, its a harsh reality that you refuse to come to grips with. Unless I name them explicitly, threaten them or otherwise slander them, then I haven't broken any rules. It isn't my problem you can't handle the truth.
Bring up my late mother again, and we'll see. I did give you one warning. That's all you get.
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Uhh we aren't forcing anyone to have an abortion.. you can't force someone to have an abortion by banning abortions. I swear it's like the fucking Twilight Zone in here.
Uh, yeah, we are. When you make the abortion the path of least resistance, the path that doesn't totally screw up your life, you are causing abortions. It's why we have more of them than any other advanced country.
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Current US population: 313,914,040
Current France population: 65,436,552
That's why they have a tenth of the abortions we do.
So you are bad at math? If France has a tenth of our abortions AND a quarter of our population, they are still doing it better.
Here, we'll do the math for you.
US- 1,210,880 abortions divided by 313,914,040 people. 1 abortion for every 259 people.
France - 161,129 abortions for 65,436,552. 1 abortion for every 406 people. France has LESS abortions per capita.
Hey, just for shits and grins, let's throw the Philippines in there. 500,000 estimated abortions for 90 million people. 1 abortion for every 180 people.
Banning abortions DOESN'T WORK. It just makes matters worse.
In China's case, China was facing an overpopulation problem. They have 1.3 billion people on terrirtory that is about the same size as the US, but most of it crowded onto the eastern coast. They didn't have the technology to feed them all. They'd be a lot worse with another 330 million people in the mix.
I did get to spend time with a visitor from China. Besides the fact that the one-child rule isn't an absolute (you can pay a fine and have a second child), the reality is, living in China is actually kind of dismal. You know what amazed her about Chicago. It was a big city, and the air was not filled with smog. The water was clean.
Oh, and Joe, in that list of yours, Russia was #1, they had double the amount of abortions per year that we do. However, that list is not an accurate portrayal, since China routinely classifies its abortion statistics. Gee I wonder why.
True. Russia does have a higher rate. Russia isn't an advanced industrial democracy, which is why I didn't include it.
The Philippines aren't listed, either. Mostly because they don't like to admit that they have 500K abortions.
However, comparing COMPARABLE advanced countries, like the US, Germany, Italy, France, Canada, we kind of suck.
No, that's not the question, because the huge majority of abortions have nothing to do with the health of the mother. There is no "it's me or the baby" scenario, and you're lying when you present it as a truth.
Who is more important? Woman or fetus?
And just as important: who decides?
The individual or the state?
The hypocrisy of the right is indeed telling, where government is bad and incompetent in everything save deciding whether a woman may give birth or not.
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Progressives always believe there are degrees of humanity, and they always will.
People who are deserving of life, and people who aren't. People who have value, and people who don't.
and you are saying conservatives don't?
When they cut school lunches, medicare, fight Obamacare tooth and nail to preserve tax cuts for rich douchebags, they aren't saying they think rich people have more value than poor ones.
We have more abortions than any other industrialized country because of conservative policies.
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So, you resort to redacting the facts now? First you threaten me, now you are dishonest with me. If Russia isn't an "advanced industrialized democracy" why are they in the G8?
We don't spin the facts, Joe. Just remember that.
So sad...and a perfect example of the age of ignorance we are all suffering under...
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So, how is asking a rhetorical question a violation of the rules? Sensitive much? What is there to get offended about? But can you really sit there and threaten me when I have done nothing wrong? If you don't like the questions, don't take up questionable positions.
And then you said the US was #2 in the world in Abortions, as if we were still the worst no matter who won the top spot. Secondly you said we were forcing abortions? Okay now you have me confused. I thought you were pro-choice? Um... okay...
So which one are you, pro choice or anti both ways? Your positions are extremely confusing.
I don't even think you know what you believe in at the moment.
So sad...and a perfect example of the age of ignorance we are all suffering under...
We aren't going to run out of human fetuses. We are going to run out of those other things.
The problem in the world tody is, too many fetuses actually turn into people, and the world can't support them all.
So sad...and a perfect example of the age of ignorance we are all suffering under...
We aren't going to run out of human fetuses. We are going to run out of those other things.
The problem in the world tody is, too many fetuses actually turn into people, and the world can't support them all.
