Accepting the results of the election...

[easyt65]

Did you actually look at your own links?

Yup. Again had you looked at them you could have avoided that long, embarrassing post.

 

[easyt65]

God, do we have to rehash Gore v Bush again?!

Only because, as late as last week, Hillary was doing her impersonation of a BOBBLE-HEAD in agreement to the ignorant Liberal crowd's fantasy that Bush stole the 2000 election, the election Liberals STILL can't get over, as evident by last week.

 

[mudwhistle]

One of the fundamental pillars of our democratic system accepting the results of an election, and the peaceful transition of power.

This is the first election where both could be fundamentally threatened by pre-election rhetoric and inflammatory statements.

Folks are now bringing up Al Gore, in his election against Bush as if it were somehow equivalent. But is it?

The Florida vote was extremely close - close enough to demand a recount which was within a candidates legal rights. When it was finally decided, by the courts - Gore graciously and completely accepted the outcome. There was no talk about "rigged" elections from Mr. Gore.

But the fundamental difference is this: all this occurred AFTER the election and Gore accepted the court's verdict.

There was no pre-election claims (whenever the polls dropped) about rigged elections, about his crooked opponent rigging things, etc. undermining the very electoral process in this country. This is a first from a presidential candidate, and it's dangerous because he flirts with it and encourages his supporters with it. They can't possibly lose - because it's "rigged".

I hated that Bush won - not once, but twice - felt like doomsday. But we survived as a country (and for those who hate Obama - we'll still survive as a country).

I'm horrified that supporters of Trump, encouraged BY Trump's rhetoric are saying these things...

Trump’s supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies - The Boston Globe

And if Trump doesn’t win, some are even openly talking about violent rebellion and assassination, as fantastical and unhinged as that may seem.


“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures.

Trump’s campaign has taken a sharp turn toward such dark warnings in recent days. He says he is a victim of conspiracies, portrays himself as a martyr to the cause of the right wing, and is stoking anger in advance of what may be a defeat on Nov. 8.

Trump has suggested that the Secret Service protecting Clinton should be disarmed and “see what happens to her,” and that “Second Amendment people” could take matters into their own hands if she wins and appoints judges who support gun control. But his campaign disavowed some of the remarks of his supporters on Saturday after this article was posted online.​

Trump Supporters Call For Violent Coup If He Loses, Vow To Racially Profile Minority Voters

Steve Webb, a 61-year-old carpenter, told the Globe he plans to heed Trump's call to "watch your precincts" on Election Day.


“I’ll look for . . . well, it’s called racial profiling. Mexicans. Syrians. People who can’t speak American,” he said. “I’m going to go right up behind them. I’ll do everything legally. I want to see if they are accountable. I’m not going to do anything illegal. I’m going to make them a little bit nervous.”​

And from: Trump’s supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies - The Boston Globe

Fergus Cullen, former chairman of the New Hampshire GOP, said it was an incredibly important moment in 2000 when Democrat Al Gore gave a speech saying he accepted the results of the Supreme Court decision to award the majority of electoral votes and presidential victory to George W. Bush.

“Had he not done that, or done so halfheartedly, or even suggested that he’d been robbed, or otherwise tried to delegitimize the results, it would have been a huge blow to our democratic process,” Cullen said.

Cullen expects Trump’s warnings about a rigged election to get even uglier in coming weeks, and he fears they will incite violence if Trump loses.

“That’s really scary,” Cullen said, recounting the violence at Trump rallies around the country leading up to the Republican National Convention. “In this country, we’ve always had recriminations after one side loses. But we haven’t had riots. We haven’t had mobs that act out with violence against supporters of the other side.’’

“There’s no telling what his supporters would be willing to do at the slightest encouragement from their candidate,” he said.​

Trump likes leaving his options open.

As good a moderator as Chris Wallace was....asking only Trump that question was a set up. It was to remove any legal standing he might have if irregularities are discovered. He didn’t ask Hillary that question for a reason. She knows this.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

How many Americans didn't accept the results of the LAST election?

 

[easyt65]

If Trump were to win by the slimmest of margins it would be 'Florida 2000' all over again for Democrats / Liberals. The calls for recounts, the accusations of voter fraud, the law suits, ect would come fast and furiously....

 

[Coyote]

If Trump wins, few on the Left will accept it. In fact, some think the Left will take extreme measures to invalidate a Trump win.

You must remember this age old truism. Whatever the Left accuses their opponents of, they are guilty of.

If Trump wins, always possible - I would accept it. I would be utterly disgusted at the electorate, I would truly fear for our country's future and pray that Congress can keep him in check (since Trump doesn't seem to realize that the POTUS is not synominous with CEO) and I would count down the years, months and days to the next election.

I would NOT say it was rigged. I would NOT encourage violence. What's more - I haven't seen Clinton encouraging violence if she doesn't win.

You do know that the Clinton campaign encouraged violence at Trump rallies, right? It's on tape:

O'Keefe produces fake videos

They are not "stings", they are highly edited hit pieces that leave all contrary evidence on the cutting room floor

Sure, because Planned Parenthood said so.
(rolling eyes)

Then of course there is Podesta about the emails. "They were altered".
Sure John, we'll take your word for it

We obviousy differ on that. However the issue is not WHO wins - it's accepting the results of an election - not undermining the very process itself and calling for violence.

Why would ANY Candidate from EITHER side throw out a blanket statement prior to the election?
They wouldn't, your blatant defense of Gore's actions are VERY telling.

What....?

Trump has repeatedly thrown out blanket statements prior to the election.

Gore didn't.

Who's defending what here?

Stick to the topic, it ain't my first rodeo.

This is the topic dude. Try to come up with something more original.

It would be stupid for ANYONE to say that no matter what happens I'll accept the results of said election.
If you think Hitlery will not throw a fit and sue if she loses a close election you are in serious need of some help.
Gore tried EVERYTHING he could think of to overturn that election, you folks STILL have not accepted the results of that election.

At this point - even when Hillary's polls were down, she was not claiming the system was rigged. Trump was, and does so every time his poll numbers drop.

"GOP grab the White House from Democrat Al Gore.

"Our democracy is still evolving. You know we had some problems in some of our presidential elections," she said. "As you may remember, in 2000 our presidential election came down to one state where the brother of one of the men running for president was governor of the state. So we have our problems too." …
Hillary Clinton

And I know that’s been a problems here in Ohio. And I hope that everybody in Ohio, you watch this election like a hawk. Don’t let them pull anything over your eyes again. I mean, I find it amazing that one of the people running for high office is actually running the elections. That should not be permitted, that is a conflict of interest.
Hillary Clinton

So let's just put this crap to bed now, Hillary herself whines about elections being stolen.

And? All this occurred AFTER the election and the court decision.

Too funny.

GOP grab the White House from Democrat Al Gore.

"Our democracy is still evolving. You know we had some problems in some of our presidential elections," she said. "As you may remember, in 2000 our presidential election came down to one state where the brother of one of the men running for president was governor of the state. So we have our problems too." …
Hillary Clinton

And I know that’s been a problems here in Ohio. And I hope that everybody in Ohio, you watch this election like a hawk. Don’t let them pull anything over your eyes again. I mean, I find it amazing that one of the people running for high office is actually running the elections. That should not be permitted, that is a conflict of interest.
Hillary Clinton

So let's just put this crap to bed now, Hillary herself whines about elections being stolen. With all due respect how do you know Trump won't accept the election results?
That's simply you engaging in "conjecture", see how that works?

You are right, I don't know what he will actually do. However, it's his rhetoric I have an issue with - rhetoric that calls into question the entire process AHEAD of the results and with little basis in reality.

It's THAT which is essentially so damaging and unprecedented and it's not just leftists (like myself) that is disturbed about it - it's a good many conservatives.

There is a legal process for disputing results and that is what Gore followed - whether or not you agreed with it. What Trump is doing - is calling into question the entire electoral process ahead of the election is problematic. Encouraging his supporters with this rhetoric is even worse.

 

[Coyote]

If Trump were to win by the slimmest of margins it would be 'Florida 2000' all over again for Democrats / Liberals. The calls for recounts, the accusations of voter fraud, the law suits, ect would come fast and furiously....

If it's that close that could well happen given the current climate. But there is a process for that. AFTER the election.

 

[Coyote]

Did you actually look at your own links?

Yup. Again had you looked at them you could have avoided that long, embarrassing post.

Reread what I wrote after each of your claims. And note the absence of any links in your most widesweeping claims before you open your mouth and embarrass yourself further.

 

[tinydancer]

With all due respect Coyote, it's bullshit that Gore or any D accepted the results of that election.

Gore may have conceded after he and the D's put us thru the hell of hanging chads and fat chads and dimpled chads and of all things freaking pregnant chads BUT don't tell me that any Democrat accepted the results of that election.

To this day and even on this board many liberals still believe that the Gore vs Bush election was stolen. And that Bush's whole Presidency was illegitimate.

 

[12icer]

Even if Trump wins by a landslide they will say it was Fraud, and voter "disenfranchisement" that caused the murderous queen to lose because Russia's hackers fixed the election for their buddy Trump. Why do you think there is such a wild accusation that Russia is trying to intervene in the election, and a call to let a lying cheating socialist democrat and his department to have control over the process. Vladimir Putin is up to the task of shitting in dabeeches face he has done it many times.

 

[Coyote]

How many people here agree/commit to important things before the key facts are in?

How many people claim it's "rigged" ahead of the results?

 

[easyt65]

If it's that close that could well happen given the current climate. But there is a process for that. AFTER the election.

I completely agree - AFTER the election there is a legal. pre-planned process for contesting / confirming the election...so why would anyone demand someone else PRIOR to the election declare they will accept the outcome of the election...when there is already a process in place for NOT doing so?

 

[mudwhistle]

With all due respect Coyote, it's bullshit that Gore or any D accepted the results of that election.

Gore may have conceded after he and the D's put us thru the hell of hanging chads and fat chads and dimpled chads and of all things freaking pregnant chads BUT don't tell me that any Democrat accepted the results of that election.

To this day and even on this board many liberals still believe that the Gore vs Bush election was stolen. And that Bush's whole Presidency was illegitimate.

 

[Coyote]

If it's that close that could well happen given the current climate. But there is a process for that. AFTER the election.

I completely agree - AFTER the election there is a legal. pre-planned process for contesting / confirming the election...so why would anyone demand someone else PRIOR to the election declare they will accept the outcome of the election...when there is already a process in place for NOT doing so?

And why would anyone go on about elections being rigged when poll numbers drop ahead of the outcome? Is that not seriously irresponsible of a presidential candidate?

 

[easyt65]

And why would anyone go on about elections being rigged when poll numbers drop ahead of the outcome?

The democrats have ALREADY BEEN EXPOSED as having rigged their primary elections...they've already done it once....so it isn't that far-fetched to think they would do it AGAIN.

 

[Coyote]

And why would anyone go on about elections being rigged when poll numbers drop ahead of the outcome?

The democrats have ALREADY BEEN EXPOSED as having rigged their primary elections...they've already done it once....so it isn't that far-fetched to think they would do it AGAIN.

Umh...no, they haven't been. I'm assuming you're talking about Sanders? Parties can choose who to throw their support behind and there can be a contested convention. The primary process is completely different than the general election. Hell - the parties can flat out choose a candidate in defiance of popular opinion. None of that is "rigging" an election.

 

[Tilly]

Trump was asked a question. His answer was a perfectly reasonable 'we'll see' - reasonable particularly since anything could happen in the next 18 days or so. Who knows what else will be found out?
And all this faux outrage is not a result of him saying he WOULD NOT accept the outcome, but because he said he would not commit, in advance of the election, to stating he will accept the outcome.
Only a person 100% convinced the whole electoral process is beyond reproach should say anything other than that, particularly in view of the democrat antics thus far.
Seriously silly stuff to get in such a state about.

 

[Tilly]

If it's that close that could well happen given the current climate. But there is a process for that. AFTER the election.

I completely agree - AFTER the election there is a legal. pre-planned process for contesting / confirming the election...so why would anyone demand someone else PRIOR to the election declare they will accept the outcome of the election...when there is already a process in place for NOT doing so?

And what kind of idiot would agree?

 

[easyt65]

Umh...no, they haven't been.

WikiLeaks Emails Show DNC Favored Hillary Clinton Over Bernie Sanders During The Democratic Primary | Huffington Post

 

[Tilly]

What kind of person categorically accuses Russia of rigging the US election (by exposing how the democrats are rigging the election)? Lol.