Act of War

[Claudette]

And if it turns out to be French nationals who self-radicalized? What, civil war?

Time is up, we know who the enemy is. If they only 'influenced' others to take this action that is enough. They must be dealt with. Evil men will do evil until they are stopped.

Inaction by the West only instills confidence and a great recruiting atmosphere for these groups. "Look! The US and its allies are too afraid to come fight us".

At some point Nato has to put an end to this shit and moment has arrived.

Of course lets endeavor to out barbarian the barbarians, that's always worked so well in the past. I guess it hasn't occurred to you that a massive new military commitment in the Middle East is exactly what the radical Islamic elements want. Such action lends credence to their claims that the Western Nations are nothing more the modern day crusaders, apparently ISIS has learned some lessons from history, the question is, can we?

"An eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind" -- Mohandas K. Gandhi

I agree.

Hope we don't send our troops there. Let the Arabs deal with ISIS.

If they don't then those assholes can have the whole ME.

As for the Paris raids?? What do the French expect when they have been allowing Muslims into their country for decades?? They didn't think that some of those home grown terrorists would act??

Hate to say it but they brought it on themselves. If they have a brain in their heads they will deport every Muslim in France before another Paris happens.

We should be doing the same in America. If it happened in France it can sure as hell happen here.

 

[SwimExpert]

The US MADE these people terrorists.

No, these people made themselves terrorists. That was a personal decision each individual made.

 

[CowboyTed]

Nato should convene, tell the member states we need a quarter million troops and all will participate and land troops in Iraq and Syria FOR STARTERS. And it should make clear to the rest of the world get the fuck out of the way.....

How about invading Saudi Arabia instead, would be much more productive?

Instead? Maybe in addition. The dictatorial suppression of the masses in the middle east is what has turned these people into banshees. Saudi Arabia is a prominent example.

But that isn't where the fight is right now. The real threat has to be dealt with.

Did you ever think why is ISIS doing this? Could it be because they want to drag the west into a no win war in the west?

Maybe they are looking for guy just a dumb a Bush to go head long into a stupid war...

Before you open your mouth... Tell us your exit strategy?

 

[SwimExpert]

As for the Paris raids?? What do the French expect when they have been allowing Muslims into their country for decades?? They didn't think that some of those home grown terrorists would act??

What a ridiculous thing to say.

What do the French expect when they have been allowing [insert demographic here] into their country for decades??

Can you name a single demographic for which some kind of hate/terrorist organization or activity cannot be identified? There are Christian terrorists, white terrorists, so on and so forth. Statistically speaking, any time you happen to encounter a random Muslim there is a better chance that you're having an affair on your spouse than there is that that Muslim is a terrorist.

 

[CowboyTed]

French President Calls Attacks an 'Act of War'


The French president calls attacks in Paris an 'Act of War'.

That is what it is. Nato needs to mobilize immediately and neutralize this threat with all due hostility. We aren't at terrorism, we are at war. The ENEMY has made it clear.

Nato should convene, tell the member states we need a quarter million troops and all will participate and land troops in Iraq and Syria FOR STARTERS. And it should make clear to the rest of the world get the fuck out of the way.

The real world is harsh and sometimes deadly force is required and right now is one of those times. And be clear, Nato will have forces in that region for decades to come.

The Nato charter states 'any attack on one member nation is an attack on all'. The time for half measures and yammering is now over, for good. Brutal force is now required, not by our choice but by what has been forced on us.

Socialism isn't working out so well.

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Hey f*ck for brains...

This has nothing to do with socialism... Look at the reason why France has a large muslim population you ignorant ape but hey don't let any opportunity go without having a go.

 

[Claudette]

As for the Paris raids?? What do the French expect when they have been allowing Muslims into their country for decades?? They didn't think that some of those home grown terrorists would act??

What a ridiculous thing to say.

What do the French expect when they have been allowing [insert demographic here] into their country for decades??

Can you name a single demographic for which some kind of hate/terrorist organization or activity cannot be identified? There are Christian terrorists, white terrorists, so on and so forth. Statistically speaking, any time you happen to encounter a random Muslim there is a better chance that you're having an affair on your spouse than there is that that Muslim is a terrorist.

Nothing ridiculous about it idiot.

They have no go zones in France where the Muslims live. Muslims don't assimilate in any country they live in. Their religion is all they care about.

Muslims are the only faction out there beheading people and killing anyone who gets in their way.

France should deport them all as should we.

 

[Kosh]

View attachment 54856

Notice to ISIS, you've put a lot of effort into trying to get US troops back in Iraq. The Republicans are your friends, they will play along with your game, they will help your recruitment drive, they will make people angry. You want a Republican president.

See how the far left thinks they will never send troops into Iraq, yet they will get this when they vote for Hilary in 2016..

 

[Kosh]

French President Calls Attacks an 'Act of War'


The French president calls attacks in Paris an 'Act of War'.

That is what it is. Nato needs to mobilize immediately and neutralize this threat with all due hostility. We aren't at terrorism, we are at war. The ENEMY has made it clear.

Nato should convene, tell the member states we need a quarter million troops and all will participate and land troops in Iraq and Syria FOR STARTERS. And it should make clear to the rest of the world get the fuck out of the way.

The real world is harsh and sometimes deadly force is required and right now is one of those times. And be clear, Nato will have forces in that region for decades to come.

The Nato charter states 'any attack on one member nation is an attack on all'. The time for half measures and yammering is now over, for good. Brutal force is now required, not by our choice but by what has been forced on us.

Socialism isn't working out so well.

.

Hey f*ck for brains...

This has nothing to do with socialism... Look at the reason why France has a large muslim population you ignorant ape but hey don't let any opportunity go without having a go.

Has everything to do with the far left religion and the horrid policies they make..

 

[IsaacNewton]

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Nato should convene, tell the member states we need a quarter million troops and all will participate and land troops in Iraq and Syria FOR STARTERS. And it should make clear to the rest of the world get the fuck out of the way.....

How about invading Saudi Arabia instead, would be much more productive?

Instead? Maybe in addition. The dictatorial suppression of the masses in the middle east is what has turned these people into banshees. Saudi Arabia is a prominent example.

But that isn't where the fight is right now. The real threat has to be dealt with.

Did you ever think why is ISIS doing this? Could it be because they want to drag the west into a no win war in the west?

Maybe they are looking for guy just a dumb a Bush to go head long into a stupid war...

Before you open your mouth... Tell us your exit strategy?

The United States has Vietnam syndrome. The idea that we can't send our troops, the military, into harms way. There has to be a black and white view of an enemy giving up completely 100% in a month, and a clear way for us to leave in a month.

The world doesn't work like that, that is why we are still in Korea and Germany. This is the same case with the middle east. Americans, and all people in the Western democracies really, have to accept the idea that this won't be won in a year, and we will have to have troops there for decades.

There is no alternative, these terms are being dictated by the enemy. The Western democracies have to get out of this we will stop you and we will have no pain. It won't happen.

Every enemy we have faced since Vietnam knows the skittishness the US population has at prolonged war now and they count on it.

Google the list of terrorist attacks since 9/11. Exactly what will be the best way, not to stop these entirely because again it will likely take decades for the current wave of 'jihad' to wear itself out, but to have the best outcome for the West with the number of attacks and consequent deaths minimized.

That is the best we can do. Its messy but there is nothing else. You kill as many of them as possible wherever they are every time you find them. If they have no base of operation, no territory where they are safe to train and operate from it makes it infinitely harder for them to carry out large coordinated attacks.

There is no clean solution to this. Every option is messy and costly.

They, and every bad player since Vietnam, are counting on the US and Western democracies not being able to stomach the cost.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Notice to ISIS, you've put a lot of effort into trying to get US troops back in Iraq. The Republicans are your friends, they will play along with your game, they will help your recruitment drive, they will make people angry. You want a Republican president.

Notice to ISIS

Democrats are your friends, they'll let you come to America. They don't care about the danger you represent.

They put a lot of effort into being inclusive, and are more than willing to fall into your trap. If you want more of your brothers to come to America, you had better pray to Allah that Hillary Clinton is elected president.

We could put a lot of effort into this. How about we just say that whoever represents us is going to be shit and not do it properly, and fuck up our security for their own political needs.

Then again without the Iraq War, most Muslims wouldn't have been a threat anyway, more are now, and therefore more attacks, simply because of the Iraq War.

Most Muslims aren't a threat whether we invade a country or not. It's got nothing to do with violent murderers doing what they do best.

 

[bendog]

t

Nato should convene, tell the member states we need a quarter million troops and all will participate and land troops in Iraq and Syria FOR STARTERS. And it should make clear to the rest of the world get the fuck out of the way.....

How about invading Saudi Arabia instead, would be much more productive?

Instead? Maybe in addition. The dictatorial suppression of the masses in the middle east is what has turned these people into banshees. Saudi Arabia is a prominent example.

But that isn't where the fight is right now. The real threat has to be dealt with.

Did you ever think why is ISIS doing this? Could it be because they want to drag the west into a no win war in the west?

Maybe they are looking for guy just a dumb a Bush to go head long into a stupid war...

Before you open your mouth... Tell us your exit strategy?

The United States has Vietnam syndrome. The idea that we can't send our troops, the military, into harms way. There has to be a black and white view of an enemy giving up completely 100% in a month, and a clear way for us to leave in a month.

The world doesn't work like that, that is why we are still in Korea and Germany. This is the same case with the middle east. Americans, and all people in the Western democracies really, have to accept the idea that this won't be won in a year, and we will have to have troops there for decades.

There is no alternative, these terms are being dictated by the enemy. The Western democracies have to get out of this we will stop you and we will have no pain. It won't happen.

Every enemy we have faced since Vietnam knows the skittishness the US population has at prolonged war now and they count on it.

Google the list of terrorist attacks since 9/11. Exactly what will be the best way, not to stop these entirely because again it will likely take decades for the current wave of 'jihad' to wear itself out, but to have the best outcome for the West with the number of attacks and consequent deaths minimized.

That is the best we can do. Its messy but there is nothing else. You kill as many of them as possible wherever they are every time you find them. If they have no base of operation, no territory where they are safe to train and operate from it makes it infinitely harder for them to carry out large coordinated attacks.

There is no clean solution to this. Every option is messy and costly.

They, and every bad player since Vietnam, are counting on the US and Western democracies not being able to stomach the cost.

We have a Vietnam syndrome because like Vietnam, a potus got us into a civil war for his own political reasons based upon justifications that at best were politically overblown, if not outright lies, and the war had no exit strategy in terms of what a "win" was.

Quite possibly, Afghanistan in not, and never was, winnable. You may recall we built a multi-million dollar campaign center, but then we blew the frigging thing up when Obama decided we were leaving ... only then he decided we wouldn't leave.

So, I don't think you can blame citizens for being leery about some new mission for our long suffering troops. I think in this instance it's going to have to be up to France, and countries in Nato that feel inclined, to define what the goal is to be, and what would constitute a military win. And, there has to be a political solution in the end that allows us to withdraw. And, it seems to me, that is a decades long commitment. And, yeah, the US has a responsibility to be a player because .... W focked this thing up beyond imagination.

 

[paulitician]

Boy, the French are on a pretty big losing streak as far as Wars go. So I wouldn't be too optimistic on this one. If it were just the French VS. ISIS/Al Qaeda, i might have to go with ISIS/Al Qaeda winning it. That would be the smart money.

 

[Flopper]

And if it turns out to be French nationals who self-radicalized? What, civil war?

Time is up, we know who the enemy is. If they only 'influenced' others to take this action that is enough. They must be dealt with. Evil men will do evil until they are stopped.

Inaction by the West only instills confidence and a great recruiting atmosphere for these groups. "Look! The US and its allies are too afraid to come fight us".

At some point Nato has to put an end to this shit and moment has arrived.

Of course lets endeavor to out barbarian the barbarians, that's always worked so well in the past. I guess it hasn't occurred to you that a massive new military commitment in the Middle East is exactly what the radical Islamic elements want. Such action lends credence to their claims that the Western Nations are nothing more the modern day crusaders, apparently ISIS has learned some lessons from history, the question is, can we?

"An eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind" -- Mohandas K. Gandhi

I agree.

Hope we don't send our troops there. Let the Arabs deal with ISIS.

If they don't then those assholes can have the whole ME.

As for the Paris raids?? What do the French expect when they have been allowing Muslims into their country for decades?? They didn't think that some of those home grown terrorists would act??

Hate to say it but they brought it on themselves. If they have a brain in their heads they will deport every Muslim in France before another Paris happens.

We should be doing the same in America. If it happened in France it can sure as hell happen here.

If we send a 100,000 troops over there, they will defeat ISIS militarily but they will still exist in the shadows, creating havoc and creating a need for a permanent occupying force. The best course of action is to do what we are doing now. Train, advise, equip, and support them so they can protect themselves. The US can't send troops wherever ISIS or other terrorist groups pop up. The people have to stand up for themselves against terror and Islamic radicalism.

 

[bendog]

And if it turns out to be French nationals who self-radicalized? What, civil war?

Time is up, we know who the enemy is. If they only 'influenced' others to take this action that is enough. They must be dealt with. Evil men will do evil until they are stopped.

Inaction by the West only instills confidence and a great recruiting atmosphere for these groups. "Look! The US and its allies are too afraid to come fight us".

At some point Nato has to put an end to this shit and moment has arrived.

Of course lets endeavor to out barbarian the barbarians, that's always worked so well in the past. I guess it hasn't occurred to you that a massive new military commitment in the Middle East is exactly what the radical Islamic elements want. Such action lends credence to their claims that the Western Nations are nothing more the modern day crusaders, apparently ISIS has learned some lessons from history, the question is, can we?

"An eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind" -- Mohandas K. Gandhi

I agree.

Hope we don't send our troops there. Let the Arabs deal with ISIS.

If they don't then those assholes can have the whole ME.

As for the Paris raids?? What do the French expect when they have been allowing Muslims into their country for decades?? They didn't think that some of those home grown terrorists would act??

Hate to say it but they brought it on themselves. If they have a brain in their heads they will deport every Muslim in France before another Paris happens.

We should be doing the same in America. If it happened in France it can sure as hell happen here.

If we send a 100,000 troops over there, they will defeat ISIS militarily but they will still exist in the shadows, creating havoc and creating a need for a permanent occupying force. The best course of action is to do what we are doing now. Train, advise, equip, and support them so they can protect themselves. The US can't send troops wherever ISIS or other terrorist groups pop up. The people have to stand up for themselves against terror and Islamic radicalism.

Assad's killed 250K, and ISIS exists because the Iraqi Army we trained AND EQUIPPED was a demoralized militia, and a million or so refugees (and untold numbers of terrorists) are sneaking into Europe.

the plan ain't working.

 

[paulitician]

And if it turns out to be French nationals who self-radicalized? What, civil war?

Time is up, we know who the enemy is. If they only 'influenced' others to take this action that is enough. They must be dealt with. Evil men will do evil until they are stopped.

Inaction by the West only instills confidence and a great recruiting atmosphere for these groups. "Look! The US and its allies are too afraid to come fight us".

At some point Nato has to put an end to this shit and moment has arrived.

Of course lets endeavor to out barbarian the barbarians, that's always worked so well in the past. I guess it hasn't occurred to you that a massive new military commitment in the Middle East is exactly what the radical Islamic elements want. Such action lends credence to their claims that the Western Nations are nothing more the modern day crusaders, apparently ISIS has learned some lessons from history, the question is, can we?

"An eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind" -- Mohandas K. Gandhi

I agree.

Hope we don't send our troops there. Let the Arabs deal with ISIS.

If they don't then those assholes can have the whole ME.

As for the Paris raids?? What do the French expect when they have been allowing Muslims into their country for decades?? They didn't think that some of those home grown terrorists would act??

Hate to say it but they brought it on themselves. If they have a brain in their heads they will deport every Muslim in France before another Paris happens.

We should be doing the same in America. If it happened in France it can sure as hell happen here.

If we send a 100,000 troops over there, they will defeat ISIS militarily but they will still exist in the shadows, creating havoc and creating a need for a permanent occupying force. The best course of action is to do what we are doing now. Train, advise, equip, and support them so they can protect themselves. The US can't send troops wherever ISIS or other terrorist groups pop up. The people have to stand up for themselves against terror and Islamic radicalism.

I would rather see us end our endless War policy. We have to stop thinking we have the right to meddle in every nations' internal affairs. We have to start doing unto others as we would have others do unto us. We wouldn't tolerate other nations meddling in our internal affairs. It's time to move away from Permanant War.

 

[paulitician]

And if it turns out to be French nationals who self-radicalized? What, civil war?

Time is up, we know who the enemy is. If they only 'influenced' others to take this action that is enough. They must be dealt with. Evil men will do evil until they are stopped.

Inaction by the West only instills confidence and a great recruiting atmosphere for these groups. "Look! The US and its allies are too afraid to come fight us".

At some point Nato has to put an end to this shit and moment has arrived.

Of course lets endeavor to out barbarian the barbarians, that's always worked so well in the past. I guess it hasn't occurred to you that a massive new military commitment in the Middle East is exactly what the radical Islamic elements want. Such action lends credence to their claims that the Western Nations are nothing more the modern day crusaders, apparently ISIS has learned some lessons from history, the question is, can we?

"An eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind" -- Mohandas K. Gandhi

I agree.

Hope we don't send our troops there. Let the Arabs deal with ISIS.

If they don't then those assholes can have the whole ME.

As for the Paris raids?? What do the French expect when they have been allowing Muslims into their country for decades?? They didn't think that some of those home grown terrorists would act??

Hate to say it but they brought it on themselves. If they have a brain in their heads they will deport every Muslim in France before another Paris happens.

We should be doing the same in America. If it happened in France it can sure as hell happen here.

If we send a 100,000 troops over there, they will defeat ISIS militarily but they will still exist in the shadows, creating havoc and creating a need for a permanent occupying force. The best course of action is to do what we are doing now. Train, advise, equip, and support them so they can protect themselves. The US can't send troops wherever ISIS or other terrorist groups pop up. The people have to stand up for themselves against terror and Islamic radicalism.

Assad's killed 250K, and ISIS exists because the Iraqi Army we trained AND EQUIPPED was a demoralized militia, and a million or so refugees (and untold numbers of terrorists) are sneaking into Europe.

the plan ain't working.

Yeah, we truly blew it in Iraq. What a disastrous bloody blunder.

 

[IsaacNewton]

And if it turns out to be French nationals who self-radicalized? What, civil war?

Time is up, we know who the enemy is. If they only 'influenced' others to take this action that is enough. They must be dealt with. Evil men will do evil until they are stopped.

Inaction by the West only instills confidence and a great recruiting atmosphere for these groups. "Look! The US and its allies are too afraid to come fight us".

At some point Nato has to put an end to this shit and moment has arrived.

Of course lets endeavor to out barbarian the barbarians, that's always worked so well in the past. I guess it hasn't occurred to you that a massive new military commitment in the Middle East is exactly what the radical Islamic elements want. Such action lends credence to their claims that the Western Nations are nothing more the modern day crusaders, apparently ISIS has learned some lessons from history, the question is, can we?

"An eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind" -- Mohandas K. Gandhi

I agree.

Hope we don't send our troops there. Let the Arabs deal with ISIS.

If they don't then those assholes can have the whole ME.

As for the Paris raids?? What do the French expect when they have been allowing Muslims into their country for decades?? They didn't think that some of those home grown terrorists would act??

Hate to say it but they brought it on themselves. If they have a brain in their heads they will deport every Muslim in France before another Paris happens.

We should be doing the same in America. If it happened in France it can sure as hell happen here.

If we send a 100,000 troops over there, they will defeat ISIS militarily but they will still exist in the shadows, creating havoc and creating a need for a permanent occupying force. The best course of action is to do what we are doing now. Train, advise, equip, and support them so they can protect themselves. The US can't send troops wherever ISIS or other terrorist groups pop up. The people have to stand up for themselves against terror and Islamic radicalism.

"The people have to stand up for themselves against terror and Islamic radicalism."

They can't, Isis it too strong, that is more than obvious. During World War 2 the allies dropped hundreds of thousands of leaflets telling the German PEOPLE, "we are coming, bombing by day and by night, choose to go down with the Nazi regime or get rid of them on your own, its your choice".

A nice sentiment but the people did not have the power to defeat their own military, it took the combined militaries of Britain, America, and Russia 6 years to defeat them. There were uprisings in the Soviet block to kick out the Russians, they were brutally destroyed.

The civilians in that region cannot defeate Isis. The Kurds who are organized and have some access to modern weapons (though the West should have equipped them to the teeth by now with tanks and unlimited ammo and haven't) are able to fight Isis but even they have only limited success, even with allied bombing raids and utter control of the sky.

No matter how hard it is to stomach the West has to land an army there again and this time not leave.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

We need round the clock bombardment of every bus stop and city ISIS claims they're in. A few weeks of that followed up by a massive invasion of ground forces spearheaded by the US and followed up by an occupying arab force to hold the positions. We bomb, soldiers mop up, local forces hold and occupy.

That's my idea Mr. President. Now it's up to you to explain why that wouldn't work.

 

[g5000]

Nato should convene, tell the member states we need a quarter million troops and all will participate and land troops in Iraq and Syria FOR STARTERS.

For starters?

It wouldn't even take a fifth of that many troops to defeat ISISBOOMBAH, pants shitter.

 

[ChrisL]

And if it turns out to be French nationals who self-radicalized? What, civil war?

Time is up, we know who the enemy is. If they only 'influenced' others to take this action that is enough. They must be dealt with. Evil men will do evil until they are stopped.

Inaction by the West only instills confidence and a great recruiting atmosphere for these groups. "Look! The US and its allies are too afraid to come fight us".

At some point Nato has to put an end to this shit and moment has arrived.

Of course lets endeavor to out barbarian the barbarians, that's always worked so well in the past. I guess it hasn't occurred to you that a massive new military commitment in the Middle East is exactly what the radical Islamic elements want. Such action lends credence to their claims that the Western Nations are nothing more the modern day crusaders, apparently ISIS has learned some lessons from history, the question is, can we?

"An eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind" -- Mohandas K. Gandhi

I agree.

Hope we don't send our troops there. Let the Arabs deal with ISIS.

If they don't then those assholes can have the whole ME.

As for the Paris raids?? What do the French expect when they have been allowing Muslims into their country for decades?? They didn't think that some of those home grown terrorists would act??

Hate to say it but they brought it on themselves. If they have a brain in their heads they will deport every Muslim in France before another Paris happens.

We should be doing the same in America. If it happened in France it can sure as hell happen here.

If we send a 100,000 troops over there, they will defeat ISIS militarily but they will still exist in the shadows, creating havoc and creating a need for a permanent occupying force. The best course of action is to do what we are doing now. Train, advise, equip, and support them so they can protect themselves. The US can't send troops wherever ISIS or other terrorist groups pop up. The people have to stand up for themselves against terror and Islamic radicalism.

I would rather see us end our endless War policy. We have to stop thinking we have the right to meddle in every nations' internal affairs. We have to start doing unto others as we would have them do unto us. We wouldn't tolerate other nations meddling in our internal affairs. It's time to move away from Permanant War.

I would like us to wash our hands of that entire part of the world. There is nothing I would like more.