Act of War

[IsaacNewton]

And if it turns out to be French nationals who self-radicalized? What, civil war?

Time is up, we know who the enemy is. If they only 'influenced' others to take this action that is enough. They must be dealt with. Evil men will do evil until they are stopped.

Inaction by the West only instills confidence and a great recruiting atmosphere for these groups. "Look! The US and its allies are too afraid to come fight us".

At some point Nato has to put an end to this shit and that moment has arrived.

So how do you propose a counter-attack will be mounted? Where? Upon whom? The attackers killed themselves or were killed by the Gendarmerie. The others within this terrorist group in Paris are so heavily embedded into the local outlying neighborhoods, predominantly Muslim areas, as to be invisible.

In Iraq and Syria, where they are. It would be a relatively quick campaign and 'Isis' would be no more. There would only be the scattered remnants of a failed 'caliphate' which also cannot be underestimated.

What psychological impact will it have when the 'caliphate' is destroyed in a week.

All the nutjobs around the world will continue isolated attacks here and there now and then, no matter what we do or don't do. Doesn't matter, you have to kill the queen and the hive will eventually die.

In Syria? Really? Over quickly? With Russia and Iran in Syria by the invitation of Assad? LOL!!

If Nato has 200,000 troops in the region Russia will complain but that's all. Assad will simply leave, on his own or carried out. Iran is no threat.

 

[the_human_being]

I say we react in kind: Highly surgical, coordinated attacks by the Navy SEALs after ascertaining positions and movements of ISIS cells through intel. Sure worked on bin Laden.

Well, In Syria we do have a little problem with Russia and Iran being there. Do we bomb them too? Do we push the nuclear button and start WWIII?

 

[the_human_being]

And if it turns out to be French nationals who self-radicalized? What, civil war?

Time is up, we know who the enemy is. If they only 'influenced' others to take this action that is enough. They must be dealt with. Evil men will do evil until they are stopped.

Inaction by the West only instills confidence and a great recruiting atmosphere for these groups. "Look! The US and its allies are too afraid to come fight us".

At some point Nato has to put an end to this shit and that moment has arrived.

So how do you propose a counter-attack will be mounted? Where? Upon whom? The attackers killed themselves or were killed by the Gendarmerie. The others within this terrorist group in Paris are so heavily embedded into the local outlying neighborhoods, predominantly Muslim areas, as to be invisible.

In Iraq and Syria, where they are. It would be a relatively quick campaign and 'Isis' would be no more. There would only be the scattered remnants of a failed 'caliphate' which also cannot be underestimated.

What psychological impact will it have when the 'caliphate' is destroyed in a week.

All the nutjobs around the world will continue isolated attacks here and there now and then, no matter what we do or don't do. Doesn't matter, you have to kill the queen and the hive will eventually die.

In Syria? Really? Over quickly? With Russia and Iran in Syria by the invitation of Assad? LOL!!

If Nato has 200,000 troops in the region Russia will complain but that's all. Assad will simply leave, on his own or carried out. Iran is no threat.

NATO?? LOL!!

 

[Wyatt earp]

I say we react in kind: Highly surgical, coordinated attacks by the Navy SEALs after ascertaining positions and movements of ISIS cells through intel. Sure worked on bin Laden.

I say we consult our military experts to see what they think. Of course Hussein would probably go against their advice like he did in Iraq.

Sort of like Bush did when he asked the generals in 2002? Their answer was to carpet bomb the entire region and then take over the oil fields. Job would be done in 3 weeks. Cheney turned them down (since he was actually the one running things) because there was no money in it for Halliburton, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, G.E., Raytheon, KBR, et al. That's the truth.

It was a clusterfuck from beginning to end.


Missing Iraq money may have been stolen, auditors say
U.S. Defense officials still cannot say what happened to $6.6 billion, sent by the planeload in cash and intended for Iraq's reconstruction after the start of the war.
June 13, 2011|By Paul Richter, Los Angeles Times
Iraq: Missing Iraq money may have been stolen, auditors say

Reporting from Washington — After the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, the George W. Bush administration flooded the conquered country with so much cash to pay for reconstruction and other projects in the first year that a new unit of measurement was born.

Pentagon officials determined that one giant C-130 Hercules cargo plane could carry $2.4 billion in shrink-wrapped bricks of $100 bills. They sent an initial full planeload of cash, followed by 20 other flights to Iraq by May 2004 in a $12-billion haul that U.S. officials believe to be the biggest international cash airlift of all time.

This month, the Pentagon and the Iraqi government are finally closing the books on the program that handled all those Benjamins. But despite years of audits and investigations, U.S. Defense officials still cannot say what happened to $6.6 billion in cash — enough to run the Los Angeles Unified School District or the Chicago Public Schools for a year, among many other things.

For the first time, federal auditors are suggesting that some or all of the cash may have been stolen, not just mislaid in an accounting error. Stuart Bowen, special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, an office created by Congress, said the missing $6.6 billion may be "the largest theft of funds in national history."

The mystery is a growing embarrassment to the Pentagon, and an irritant to Washington's relations with Baghdad. Iraqi officials are threatening to go to court to reclaim the money, which came from Iraqi oil sales, seized Iraqi assets and surplus funds from the United Nations' oil-for-food program.

It's fair to say that Congress, which has already shelled out $61 billion of U.S. taxpayer money for similar reconstruction and development projects in Iraq, is none too thrilled either.

"Congress is not looking forward to having to spend billions of our money to make up for billions of their money that we can't account for, and can't seem to find," said Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Beverly Hills), who presided over hearings on waste, fraud and abuse in Iraq six years ago when he headed the House Government Reform Committee.

They ever find the missing billions from Hillary's state department? Or that is no concern of yours since she has a vagina and not named Bush?


State Dept. misplaced $6B under Hillary Clinton: IG report

 

[IsaacNewton]

Conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Yes, Nato. Just because it hasn't had Korea style war recently doesn't mean it isn't potent.

My guess is the world is about to get reacquainted with NATO.

 

[NightFox]

If we could change the past, there's a lot of things we could do differently in the Middle East to prevent the rise of Islamic terrorism. However, we can't roll back the clock. ISIS, Al Qaeda, and other terrorist groups are well established and there're not going to disappear nor are they going to abandon their goal of a worldwide Jihad just because we ignore them. The time for that has long past.

No one suggested changing the past, only that we learn from it and not repeat all the mistakes that led us into the imbroglio that we currently find ourselves in.

Bye the bye it's not reasonable to suggest the goal is "worldwide Jihad", the stated goal of the Sunni Radicals is and has been control of the bulk of the Arabic world and the elimination of the Shia apostates, thus the attempted resurrection of the Caliphate and the antipathy toward the Persian Shiites.

"To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting." -- Sun Tzu, the Art of War

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

French President Calls Attacks an 'Act of War'


The French president calls attacks in Paris an 'Act of War'.

That is what it is. Nato needs to mobilize immediately and neutralize this threat with all due hostility. We aren't at terrorism, we are at war. The ENEMY has made it clear.

Nato should convene, tell the member states we need a quarter million troops and all will participate and land troops in Iraq and Syria FOR STARTERS. And it should make clear to the rest of the world get the fuck out of the way.

The real world is harsh and sometimes deadly force is required and right now is one of those times. And be clear, Nato will have forces in that region for decades to come.

The Nato charter states 'any attack on one member nation is an attack on all'. The time for half measures and yammering is now over, for good. Brutal force is now required, not by our choice but by what has been forced on us.

121 dead French people is not enough to justify killing 100's of 1000's Muslims especially as we remember Vietnam.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I say we react in kind: Highly surgical, coordinated attacks by the Navy SEALs after ascertaining positions and movements of ISIS cells through intel. Sure worked on bin Laden.

Well, In Syria we do have a little problem with Russia and Iran being there. Do we bomb them too? Do we push the nuclear button and start WWIII?

Not at all, we could remove their home base, Raqqa, from the map. It could be done in 1-2 minutes and would send a good message like the one we sent to Japan in WW2

 

[SwimExpert]

I say we react in kind: Highly surgical, coordinated attacks by the Navy SEALs after ascertaining positions and movements of ISIS cells through intel. Sure worked on bin Laden.

I think that is a horrible idea. According to reports, ISIS' manpower is approximately 30,000. NATO should respond with an overwhelming force of 150,000 pairs of boots on the ground, and eliminate every last individual.

 

[Rustic]

And if it turns out to be French nationals who self-radicalized? What, civil war?

Time is up, we know who the enemy is. If they only 'influenced' others to take this action that is enough. They must be dealt with. Evil men will do evil until they are stopped.

Inaction by the West only instills confidence and a great recruiting atmosphere for these groups. "Look! The US and its allies are too afraid to come fight us".

At some point Nato has to put an end to this shit and that moment has arrived.

So how do you propose a counter-attack will be mounted? Where? Upon whom? The attackers killed themselves or were killed by the Gendarmerie. The others within this terrorist group in Paris are so heavily embedded into the local outlying neighborhoods, predominantly Muslim areas, as to be invisible.

In Iraq and Syria, where they are. It would be a relatively quick campaign and 'Isis' would be no more. There would only be the scattered remnants of a failed 'caliphate' which also cannot be underestimated.

What psychological impact will it have when the 'caliphate' is destroyed in a week.

All the nutjobs around the world will continue isolated attacks here and there now and then, no matter what we do or don't do. Doesn't matter, you have to kill the queen and the hive will eventually die.

In Syria? Really? Over quickly? With Russia and Iran in Syria by the invitation of Assad? LOL!!

If Nato has 200,000 troops in the region Russia will complain but that's all. Assad will simply leave, on his own or carried out. Iran is no threat.

Iran is running circles around our politicians.... Lol

 

[the_human_being]

Conspiracy theorists everywhere.

Yes, Nato. Just because it hasn't had Korea style war recently doesn't mean it isn't potent.

My guess is the world is about to get reacquainted with NATO.

About all NATO has done lately is rape a bunch of women.

 

[Desperado]

Might be just what ISIS wants is to drag the US and our allies into this boondoggle,

 

[IsaacNewton]

Might be just what ISIS wants is to drag the US and our allies into this boondoggle,

A boondoggle?

This isn't Vietnam. There is no place to hide except as very small groups who can do minimal damage.

Americans have to get over the Vietnam syndrome. This is a relatively small group who would be overwhelmed within a week.

 

[TemplarKormac]

"We don't need to send our sons and daughters over there to fight a pointless war!"

What some of the anti war freaks here seem to forget is that our "sons and daughters" chose to be soldiers. They chose to be in the military. They chose a dangerous life. They knew the risk that they may be called into action at any time. Who are you to tell them what to do with their lives? Hmm?

At some point being a pacifist will become counterproductive. Speak softly, carry a big stick. The time for speaking softly has passed, it's time to start swinging the stick damn it!

 

[B. Kidd]

The same NATO that did such a sterling job in Libya?

 

[Desperado]

Might be just what ISIS wants is to drag the US and our allies into this boondoggle,

A boondoggle?

This isn't Vietnam. There is no place to hide except as very small groups who can do minimal damage.

Americans have to get over the Vietnam syndrome. This is a relatively small group who would be overwhelmed within a week.

Yes Boondoggle, We have been at war in some form in the Middle East since 2001. Remember "Shock and Awe".......Shock and awe (technically known as rapid dominance) is a military doctrine based on the use of overwhelming power and spectacular displays of force to paralyze the enemy's perception of the battlefield and destroy its will to fight. How did that work out for us in Iraq? We have been fighting in the MIddle East now for what 15 years with no end in sight....... and you don't consider that a "Boondoggle"? Taking it even a step further you want to double down and try Shock and Awe again. Some people never learn from their mistakes,

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Don't forget to take your sons and daughters to the recruiting station with you.

wouldn't want to look like a hypocrite now would we

You aren't going either so stop the whining, you are not in a position to pontificate to anyone else.

You seem to be saying only people actually in the military should have the right to voice an opinion on when and where the military should be used?

That is called a military dictatorship.

And to try to say American citizens should have no say about where their military should be used is ludicrous. The military exists to exert OUR will, not theirs.

I think what he's saying is that it's so easy to call for war when there's no skin in the game .

We keep going to war, no draft , not even a war tax . It's too easy for people .

I agree the draft should be reinstated today. The entire country should have skin in the game, I understand that and support that absolutely. But we have to fight. Now. Tomorrow. In two years. In 10 years. Whatever it takes. The populations of the West have to get used to the idea that we will need to repeatedly send troops to various places until the jihad crap is played out, and that will be years if not decades. That is the reality.

Since you feel that way here's three of the first draft picks when they come of age if they aren't already old enough. No exemptions for any reason even college, current marital status, or even parental status.

*****SMILE*****

 

[the_human_being]

Might be just what ISIS wants is to drag the US and our allies into this boondoggle,

A boondoggle?

This isn't Vietnam. There is no place to hide except as very small groups who can do minimal damage.

Americans have to get over the Vietnam syndrome. This is a relatively small group who would be overwhelmed within a week.

If that is truly the case, why hasn't either Obama or Putin done it already? You'd best go back and talk to your military generals.

 

[Flopper]

Don't forget to take your sons and daughters to the recruiting station with you.

wouldn't want to look like a hypocrite now would we

You aren't going either so stop the whining, you are not in a position to pontificate to anyone else.

You seem to be saying only people actually in the military should have the right to voice an opinion on when and where the military should be used?

That is called a military dictatorship.

And to try to say American citizens should have no say about where their military should be used is ludicrous. The military exists to exert OUR will, not theirs.

If we commit the military to a mission, politicians can't tie their hands with ridiculous rules of engagement. Been there done that, it does nothing but get people killed and accomplishes little or nothing. The military is there for one reason, break things and destroy the enemy. Innocent folks will get caught in the cross fire, that's war.

I agree, its time to simply point at a map for our military and say THERE.

Where is THERE?

The Sea

Take your immigration stuff to another post, this one is Act of War re the French leader's speech. There are endless threads for wailing on immigration, thanks for participating in USMB and have a nice day.

So how do you propose a counter-attack will be mounted? Where? Upon whom? The attackers killed themselves or were killed by the Gendarmerie. The others within this terrorist group in Paris are so heavily embedded into the local outlying neighborhoods, predominantly Muslim areas, as to be invisible.

In Iraq and Syria, where they are. It would be a relatively quick campaign and 'Isis' would be no more. There would only be the scattered remnants of a failed 'caliphate' which also cannot be underestimated.

What psychological impact will it have when the 'caliphate' is destroyed in a week.

All the nutjobs around the world will continue isolated attacks here and there now and then, no matter what we do or don't do. Doesn't matter, you have to kill the queen and the hive will eventually die.

You sound like Bush in 2003 selling the Iraq war. I think he said it would only take a couple of months and a couple of billion dollars.
And you didn't answer my question. How would it be a relatively quick campaign when ISIS members will hide in local village and town households where they will hold their hosts hostage by pointing a gun to their children's heads?

Notice they don't do the big black flag-waving parades anymore. There's a reason for that. They have become invisible.

For more information on this subject, pick up a copy of "Chasing Ghosts" by Paul Rieckhoff, founder of IAVA.org and Iraq war veteran.

You're selling books?

Go away.

Thanks for another stunning example of low-information rightwing flaming ignorance.
It's not my book, but it IS a very important book to thousands of returning and wounded Iraq veterans, oh patriotic one.
Go pound your stupidity elsewhere, I see you can't respond to my salient point of sacrificing innocent people in another war.

Fair enough, if a book for returning vets by all means sell away. My apologies.

I did offer this in my post above: All the nutjobs around the world will continue isolated attacks here and there now and then, no matter what we do or don't do.

These groups are like cancer, it is hard to completely irradicate them. But you have to do what you can do rather than nothing. We CAN eliminate them from controlling any territory, which will very much diminish their 'glow' in the minds of the dimwits who have been joining them.

And you can check my other posts, I am far from a 'right-winger'. I do recognize when violent force is required, personally and militarily. It is one of those very unpleasant realities of life.
The time for hesitation is now over. We have to act decisively.

Even the Vatican has issued a strong statement of support that comes very close endorsing military action.

“At the Vatican we are following the terrible news from Paris. We are shocked by this new manifestation of maddening terrorist violence and hatred which we condemn in the most radical way, together with the pope and all those who love peace. We pray for the victims and the wounded, and for all the French people. This is an attack on the peace of all mankind which requires a decisive and supportive response by all of us to counter the spread of homicidal hatred in all of its forms.”

 

[Vandalshandle]

Every morning, I put 2 strips of bacon in a freezer bag on my front porch to ward off muslims. It works! Not one single muslim has ever crossed them to get to my door! Unfortunately, my next door neighbors, who are Jews, don't come around any more, either, but it is a small price to pay.